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March 23

opening my draft for editing

Help Desk 3.22.21 Request

x i am new to this

x in march 2020, you read my draft and sent me a note. x my suggested article is entitled:k-12 student rights while at school x on 3.22.21, i added information to my draft on your request.

please tell me:

x how to edit or add to my article proposal x when will my proposal be accepted and how will i know it? x you say that Boyer P. August account does not exist. Why? i created

 an account and you are sending me notices.

x i do not understand signing my posts or articles with 4 tildes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boyer P. August (talk • contribs) 00:32, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

@Boyer P. August: Welcome to the Teahouse! It appears you created Draft:K-12 Student Rights While At School under an IP address, and received a notification at User talk:104.11.59.25. Your draft has not been accepted because it has not been submitted for review. If you were to submit it, I suspect it would be rejected because it appears to be a personal essay instead of an encyclopedia article (see WP:NOTESSAY). Help:Your first article has lots of good information about writing a Wikipedia article, which is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. I suggest you gain experience by improving existing articles before attempting to create a new article. Happy editing! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 01:06, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh, but Boyer P. August, it's not just a personal essay, it's an advertisement for the website studentrightsatschool.org and a mishmash of material taken straight from that website, which says nothing about any flavour of copyleft or any waiver of copyright. I can't decide whether to delete it as a copyright violation, as an advertisement, or as obviously unencyclopedic; I'll let some other administrator decide. -- Hoary (talk) 06:03, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I've deleted this as an advertisement and left some advice on the creator's talk page. Deb (talk) 09:19, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

My Account

I need to delete my Wikipedia account but I can't find any page that can do it. Could anyone please help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nightseeker Klemont (talk • contribs) 03:46, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Nightseeker Klemont Wikipedia accounts cannot be deleted because we legally must attribute edits to something for copyright purposes. However, if you would like your account to be renamed, that can be done. There is also Vanishing, which basically renames your account to a string of random letters and numbers. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 04:57, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

You have so few contributions to your name that they'd very likely have gone almost completely unnoticed if you hadn't brought up the matter here. Asking either to be renamed or to be made to vanish would use up somebody else's time, so please ask for neither and instead just ignore your account and forget about it. -- Hoary (talk) 05:53, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Hoary's solution seems to be a good one. If it doesn't work for you can you tell us why you need to delete the account ?Spinney Hill (talk) 10:06, 23 March 2021 (UTC)Spinney Hill (talk) 19:06, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

CSS: max-width:50% does not work the same way as width:50%

I'm trying to improve {{Oldtfdlist}} by making it responsively scale, but without it going above 50% width, which is what it's currently set to be always. I can't figure out how to do this. "max-width:50%" isn't the same as "width:50%" (when it would have enough text to display that wide, it wraps prematurely). "width:auto" "max-width:50%" doesn't work. Apparently max-width overrides width. "min-width:auto" "max-width:50%" doesn't work. I have no idea what to do. Can someone assist? Thanks, DesertPipeline (talk) 06:37, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Resolved - Answered on Wikipedia:Requested templates#Width of templates for listing old XfDs (permalink). ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 12:18, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Please somebody help me I need help!

Many years ago when I first released my music after a while I put it on wikipedia but it was rejected and since i was under a lot of stress at that time I got angry and tried make it again until I got the name banned from creating. I never ever did anything or even attempted and I did so just because i was getting frustrated. I have requested wikipedia to remove the ban... but i don't know how the process works. Can you please help me? please. I need help. I have done anything I could including a solid article and references. I don't expect to be on wikipedia i just want the ban to be removed it's not my page my music project... the music of so many talented musicians. The name of the page is Discolor Blind and I have added it here but in the last one I tried to put my email then I was referred to you but I accidentally left my email there and i'm worried about spam can you please explain the situation to me? I mean my stupidity shouldn't cause such a permanent result otherwise I could go get many artists banned by doing this. It's not Ashkan Malayeri it's Discolor Blind I was the one who did this stupid thing. Discolor Blind shouldn't be punished for it. Can you please help me? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_filter/False_positives I have added it here. Can you please help and guide me? I would appreciate any help and I need it. please help me. I don't even know how you'll get back to me. I reallt need help. It's really stressing me out. Please help me, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.118.35.231 (talk) 07:00, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

If you want it unprotected from creation, you should request it at WP:RFUP- after you disclose your conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 07:21, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks by conflict of interest you mean the thing I sent you a link to the page I sent you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_filter/False_positives this one? I should go to the WP link you mentioned once the conflict of the link i send you has disclosed? or i have to do that now? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.118.35.231 (talk) 09:12, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Take the time to read WP:GNG and WP:NBAND (I'm assuming it's a band). Based on [1], I don't there are sources for an acceptable WP-article, but I could be wrong. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:37, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks man.It's ok if doesn't get accepted i have procvided so many links including the credit page on allmusicm press, interview, link to my music, knowledge panel, what else can i provide? That is not my biggest concern. It's the ban on the name which I caused. Bro I need help. I can't do so much just by myself. Just help me out and help remove the ban. I have already put it here and explained. Please do me a favour. Isn't wikipedia supposed to be edited by donators... i'm not good enough... my only contributions to wikipedia has ever been one sentence lines this is too complex for me. Please help me out please. The name of the band is Discolor Blind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_filter/False_positives It is here. Please help me out with this. Will you do that? please? I just don't wanna even be on an encyclopedia trying to get myself in here... after that failed I just get the idea that you're not the one who should write your wikipedia and if nobody is writing it it's probably not time. but can you please remove the ban for me so i don't have to worry about it. that's it. Please. It doesn't have to be done by me. I know wikipedia is edited by contributors but can you please help me man? I'm just a composer with a lot of problems... this isn't my thing... last time i tried it resulted in this... please man. help me out. i have nobody and this seems like the biggest challenge and it shouldn't because it's only because of an act of anger by myself. please help me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.118.35.231 (talk) 15:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I just tried on this page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection&action=submit and got this An automated filter has identified this edit as potentially unconstructive, so it has been disallowed. If this edit is constructive, please report this error. Disruptive editing may result in a block from editing. how can i add if i get this error. please help. can someone do this for me please. this is so scary to me all these codes and warning. i just made a stupid mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.118.35.231 (talk) 15:42, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry your experience with Wikipedia has been confusing and stressful. It sounds like you understand that you should not have tried to create a page about a project you are involved with. You say you do not want to create the page now, and that you understand you shouldn't, but that the protection on the page is causing you stress. You seem to view it as a punishment. Please don't view it as a punishment, and please don't let it cause you stress. If, at some point down the road Discolor Blind becomes sufficiently notable to have an article written about it, and someone unaffiliated with the band chooses to write an article about it, the article can be written as a draft and then, once there is something acceptable to put in article space, the protection can be lifted and the draft can be accepted. There is no reason to lift the protection now, and no reason for you to be stressed about it. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:57, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

this page that you sent me is protected from me sending the word Discolor blind and it says it's protected when i try to ask for a request. how come i can't add that? i think i'm confusing the format. Please help me. please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.118.35.231 (talk) 15:56, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Incidentally, the reason you are triggering the edit filter is that your edit contains profanity. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:05, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Also, there is no need to provide lengthy quotes or the text you would like to write about Discolor Blind in the request to have the page unprotected. Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Current_requests_for_reduction_in_protection_level does say such requests are "generally assisted by having a draft version of the intended article prepared beforehand," but it wants you to link to a draft in draft space, not copy and paste your draft in the request for reduction in page protection. As you appear to have acknowledged above, you, as a member of Discolor Blind, should not be writing about Discolor Blind. You are not helping your case at this point. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:09, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for letting me know but can't you just make neutralize it... i'm 32 now i was 26... i feel like jean val jean... my only point was "anybody can edit... so i should be able to as well" but my smarted brother explained to my 2 nights after LEAVE WIKIPEDIA alone but it was too late. the help centre refers me to that page and i try to add the request there and i managed to add links and the name there but am i supposed to add the desired article there when I'm adding the request? am i not getting the format right? please editting a nightwish page out of passion and deal with these codes is one thing but requesting appeal and trying to understand these codes when i'm shaking out of stress is something else. Please help me. can you add my desired article that's been added to that false positive page. Am i supposed to add it to the request for page protection section? if so can you do that? I don't how to submit the article itself to the page you guys referred me to just now. Please help me out. It's getting more famous. I'm so stressed. I feel like no matter how much more credible i become i can not reach the minimum credibility that anybody has with zero experience for an act i've done before... and this is the real source this is wikipedia... please. On blogs nobody cares that I have had an oscar winning producer but a wikipedia user might... this just really messes with me... all this effort... I called michigan so much just to reach Jeff Bass from Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.118.35.231 (talk) 16:16, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Haha thanks a lot i didn't know it was about profanity. I love wikipedia. well at least you know now.. whenever you see it's big enough please help me. i'll leave it then. I guess I have provided enough info right? Thanks a lot! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.118.35.231 (talk) 16:19, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

One-Answer Surveys

Does a survey that contains only one answer take the only answer into consideration, or is the survey neglected? Dr Salvus 13:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Dr Salvus, technically, a survey with one answer isn't a survey at all, as the one answer would always equal 100% of the responses. Now, if the respondents could choose to abstain from taking the survey, that could be considered the second choice. Is this related to Wikipedia in any way? Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 13:46, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

EDG 543 Yes, it is. For example this survey is one-answered. We need an answer to know what we need to do. Dr Salvus 13:53, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Dr Salvus, in this situation, aren't there two options? There is the table in the collapsable section and the one that isn't in the collapsable section. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 13:57, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

EDG 543 I think it's explained to me wrong. I mean only one answer was given. When the bot archives the discussion and only one answer remains, will it be considered or will the poll be overlooked? Dr Salvus 14:08, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Dr Salvus, I'm a little confused. You don't need to wait for a bot to archive the discussion, nor does the bot have any bearing on the outcome of the discussion. If you want to gain a consensus, you should just wait a while to see what others in the WikiProject have to say, and then you or another editor can make whatever change is necessary. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 14:20, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

EDG 543 I think I haven't explained myself as I wanted. My question is: "What happens to a survey of Wikipedia if there is only one answer"? Dr Salvus 14:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Dr Salvus, if you fail to gain a true consensus with the "survey," you may need to just boldly make the change yourself. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 14:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Dr Salvus If you need more participants and there aren’t enough people watching the page, you should consider doing a request for comment. See WP:RFC TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Account Email Address

Is it at all possible to ask what username is associated with a specific email address? For example, if I know the email address, can I get the username emailed to that email address? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.82.165.112 (talk) 14:49, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

If a user has set the email adress and has a specific pref turned of, yes, via Special:PasswordReset. But only if you actually own the email adress in question. If you don't own it, you can't see the accounts associated with it. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:15, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is what you need but Help:Logging_in#What_if_I_forget_the_username? gives some possibilities if you know you used to have an account but can't remember its username. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:00, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Is the "album-notes" template outdated? Why not warn?

I tried to use this template

Template:Cite album-notes

to insert two citations to record liner notes (at Michael Stanley), and I painstakingly filled the fields, but then got multiple errors when I previewed my edits. This template includes fields that are no longer used such as Artist and Publisherid, fields that are no longer used as described here such as Format, and fields that are required (when Format is included) such as URL. It looks like instead one should use this template

Template:Cite AV media notes

I did that, redoing my citations completely, and now they are fine. But:

1. Am I right that the "album-notes" template is obsolete?

2. If so, why doesn't its template page say that, and discourage its use? In fact, why is it out there at all, to be found and used by unsuspecting editors?

Thank you.Sullidav (talk) 14:54, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

So, as far as I can tell, Cite album-notes redirects to Cite AV media notes - therefore, they are the same template and use of Album notes will just appear as media notes. The page for the Cite AV media notes template lists out all of the parameters that can be used. The page does not include any parameters such as "artist." I'm not sure where you are seeing that. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 15:05, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Redirected as a result of this discussion. If you want to use the name {{cite album-notes}} it is ok to do that though it is likely that someone will come along an rename it to {{cite AV media notes}}. cs1|2 template parameter names are never capitalized; |artist= and |publisherid= have been deprecated and are no longer supported; |format= (the source's file format) is still supported.

You used |others=Michael Stanley. Did Michael Stanley actually contribute to the liner notes? If yes, Michael Stanley should be credited as an author (|author=Michael Stanley; if no, Michael Stanley should be omitted from the template.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:39, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for these responses, Trappist the monk and ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia.

I solved my problem. When I tried later to look at that template page that I had linked above for "album-notes," Wikipedia redirected me to the "AV media notes" template, and that confused me, because earlier today I had been looking at a different page for an "album-notes" template that listed deprecated parameters and gave inaccurate descriptions. My browser history answered it. A Google search on something like "wikipedia template to cite album liner notes" had led me to this page, which I had used: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_album-notes/doc . I was trying to work quickly then, but *now* I notice from the url and the header that this page is from "Simple English Wikipedia" which was new to me but apparently is a totally different Wikipedia that still uses the different, outdated "album-notes" template, with a page for its parameters.

I know parameter names are never capitalized, but in this discussion of them it was more clear to capitalize them. Now I am using quotes, if you prefer that.

Michael Stanley did not contribute to the liner notes, they are uncredited (& just lists, rather than text) and are on two records by him. Here's why I listed him under the "others" parameter: 1) The error message when I used the deprecated "artist" tag suggested using "others" for that information instead, and 2) the note on the "AV media notes" template for the "others" field describes it as for "Artist, producers, etc." Are those two messages wrong? I am open to other ways to do this, but it seems like Michael Stanley's name should be included in the citation, somehow, as the artist on whose records the cited liner notes are. (Even if the record label and ID may be there, referencing liner notes by listing only the record title without the name of the artist seems to me unhelpful at best, and possibly ambiguous at worst.) Thanks, again. Sullidav (talk) 16:55, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, simple.wiki is a different project with its own rules and ways of doing things; for whatever reason, editors there have not chosen to deprecate simple:Template:cite album-notes.

|others= is for 'other' contributors to the cited source (illustrators, translators, etc). In this case the cited source is the text on the backside of the album jacket. You say that Michael Stanley did not contribute to that text so |others=Michael Stanley isn't really appropriate. The jacket art at Friends and Legends shows Michael Stanley in comparatively large type when compared to the album's actual title so you might do this:

{{cite AV media notes |title=''Michael Stanley: ''Friends and Legends}} – the odd-seeming italic markup here gets the rendering right

Michael Stanley: Friends and Legends (Media notes).

{{cite AV media notes}} and {{cite AV media}} are in need of rewriting; there just hasn't been any progress made in that direction because no one yet has had the desire to attempt to herd the cats into a consensus corral; so we limp along with what we've got...

—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:39, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Good approach, thanks, done. Sullidav (talk) 19:21, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia have an article about the murder of Terry King?

This ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7nPCwc8jrc&ab_channel=TrueCrimeBrewery <--- was a pretty infamous murder case. Two little kids were suspected -- and perhaps even tried/convicted -- of the killing of their father. I remember it being big news. And, if I remember correctly, they were the two youngest murder defendants in the USA. Does Wikipedia have an article somewhere? I can't seem to find anything at all. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:58, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Probbably no, WP:BLP1E. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:12, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. What does BLP1E have to do with this case? I'd assume that the article would be "death of" or "murder of" ... and not "name of young killer". No? Such an article would not invoke BLP1E, would it? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:47, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I think what Victor Schmidt is saying is that the murdered subject might not be notable enough for their own article. There's also WP:BIO1E for more info on determining notability of a person in regards to one event.

Alternatively, no one may have started an article on them. Has an article about the subject been previously deleted? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:45, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I guess my thinking was that the death was quite notable (its circumstances, etc.). Not that the victim himself was notable. So, I had assumed I'd find an article somewhere. I tried all of the obvious search terms. Nothing popped up. Perhaps, I will start the article. In the case of a "notable" death (and its article) ... I presume that neither the victim nor the defendants, per se, need notability on their own. Hence, we include the info as a "death of" article. Of which, we have many. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:07, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Has an article about the subject been previously deleted? Good question. I don't know. And I don't know how to find out / search for such a query. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:09, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

The way I check is to search for a likely title, e.g. Murder of Terry King, and click on the redlink. If it is a deleted article, it will provide a history. Clarityfiend (talk) 17:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: Another way to search is to Google "murder of terry king wiki" (other search engines are available). Having done that I found that Alex and Derek are featured in List of youngest killers, but I don't think the case has its own page. nagualdesign 18:52, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Administrators can search deleted titles. The content is not searchable but can be viewed with page history. Terry King (patricide) was deleted in 2009. The stated reason seems invalid. It was created by the user who deleted it but there were other contributors. A former article at Terry King has been deleted but it was about an unrelated photographer. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

The prior deletion was invalid. I have restored the 2009 article, and moved it to Murder of Terry King, in accordance with our article naming conventions. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:40, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Hmmmmmmmmmm ... some follow-up questions, if I may. (1) What was the original reason to delete the article ... and why was that reason "invalid"? Just curious. (2) Also, is there somewhere where an editor can see/read all of this history/documentation? (3) So,if I did not -- on a mere whim -- ask my question on this Help Page, that article would have remained deleted for the past 10-12 years ... and would continue to be so into the indefinite future? I don't get that ... seems like a big oversight, internally. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:10, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

The deletion log [2] says "G7: One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page". G7 says: "If requested in good faith and provided that the only substantial content of the page was added by its author." It was deleted by the author who was an administrator. Admins can delete their own creations per G7 without a discussion if they are the only substantial contributor. In this case there were substantial contributions [3] by others so G7 was invalid, also in 2009 which had the same rule. The admin has since retired and relinquished their admin rights so there is no need to take it further than restoring the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:45, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, all! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:43, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Competence for GAs and FLs

As I have failed a lot of nominations for GAs and FLs, I would like to gain more competence on this topic. What can I do? Dr Salvus 22:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Take your time. It may take a year or two before you have an article ready. Make sure the articles you write are well researched, well sourced, well developed. Pick a topic that interests you and that you can find a lot of information on - I recommend a minor historical event somewhere in the 1800s or early 1900s (pre WWI), those are comparatively easy to come up with sources on and less controversial than post-war topics. Write the article, consider nominating it for DYK - the requirements are not as strict as for featured or good articles and going through the review process will help you learn how to improve the article and your writing in general. Do not nominate any article for FA or GA unless it has at least a B-class rating from a Wikiproject. If the article you are working on gets a rating of less than a B, ask the person who did the assessment what they are looking for that the article needs to improve on, but don't hound or harass them. If they don't want to talk to you, leave them alone. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 23:05, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Dr Salvus! Consider taking a look at Wikipedia:Featured list criteria and Wikipedia:Good article criteria. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 23:06, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus: They say that just creating a new article on WP is one of the hardest things you can do: and they are right. I've been editing on WP for around 12 years, and have created a number of articles; some are OK in my book, some are low-quality, some have been permanently deleted. But getting an article to 'Featured' or 'Good' status is at least an order of magnitude harder. Not once have I ever remotely considered putting myself through the immense hassle of getting any of 'my' articles to FA or GA status. Consider:

1. Your sources must be impeccable. See WP:RELIABLE. Ascertaining whether a quoted source will stand up to the most extreme scrutiny is difficult enough in itself. If you don't know, you will certainly fail. Hint: your sources will almost certainly contain reliable sources themselves, usually in a 'Bibliography' section.

2. During the FA or GA process, every single sentence in the article will be checked for grammar, spelling, meaning, coherence, and especially WP:NPOV. There will almost certainly be many tiny niggles about individual phrases. You must be able to express your thoughts/ideas coherently and expressively in the very best English.

3. Your chosen referencing scheme (bwahaha, best of luck, fool) must be consistent and applied ruthlessly throughout the article. Completely archived sources will be almost certainly necessary.

4. Once the article has achieved the exalted heights of FA or GA, there is nowhere to go except down. Many editors spend a lot of their time "defending" an article's status. You will find yourself spending much more time on talk pages attempting to refute changes to the article. There are some very, very aggressive editors on WP with their own axe to grind, and unless you can engage them in the very best manner (see WP:RESPECT) then your efforts may be set at naught. The upshot of all this is...

5. Don't, unless you are utterly determined to defend 'your' corner against all-comers. The very worst thing is to see an article lose a GA or FA status, and then you will know the meaning of failure. I wish you the very best of luck, but you will need much more than that. Stick to to the easy stuff for some time. You will need to be an expert in a given subject, and also an expert Wikipedian, and there ain't many of either. >MinorProphet (talk) 16:46, 24 March 2021 (UTC)