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March 6

Categories for files

I thought I asked this question at the teahouse, but I can't seem to find it now and I don't think anyone provided me with an answer. I also asked this question at the wikiproject Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Podcasting#Categories_for_files. I'm just really confused why the Category:Podcast logos has a weird additional template and I was curious what the benefit was or why it's even worth doing. I want to figure out the best way to do it though before I start adding files to the category. TipsyElephant (talk) 00:48, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: Just follow the instructions and add {{Non-free logo|podcast logos}} to the file page without adding the code [[Category:Podcast logos]]. If the logo is actually free then it should be moved to Commons and placed in commons:Category:Podcast logos. Categorizing via templates has many small benefits, e.g. giving consistency between being in a category and displaying a message on the page. Somebody might change one without changing the other, or only copy one of them to another page. {{Non-free logo}} doesn't currently use the parameter for anything else than adding the category but that might change in the future. It could for example check whether the category exists and add a maintenance category if it doesn't, or it could display special information about podcast logos. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:49, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

difficulty using Talk tab

Hi - whenever I click on the Talk tab, I'm taken to the same page/talk entry, which is completely irrelevant to whatever Wikipedia page I'm actually on. For example, whether I look up 'information' 'horses', 'tree' or anything else as a main Wikepedia entry, then click Talk, I'm always taken to a comment about a page called Outback Truckers. Please help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.250.170.223 (talk) 06:56, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Near the top left corner of each article, there's a link to its talk page. Near the top right corner of each article, there's a link to the reader's talk page (which in your case happens to mention "Outback Truckers"). Maproom (talk) 08:29, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Enquire about the status of "Ajeet Jaiswal, Anthropologist"

Dear Concern, Greeting I have submitted the content related to Dr. Ajeet Jaiswal, Associate Professor, Department of EPH, CUTN, India by the title "Ajeet Jaiswal, Anthropologist" and edited according to your guidelines and suggestion.

Kindly let me know the status of the same. When Wikipedia going to publish or put online the information of "Ajeet Jaiswal, Anthropologist".

Thanking You

sapna — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2007.sapna (talk • contribs) 07:12, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

2007.sapna, you have written a draft article on Ajeet Jaiswal on your own user talk page. This is not a good place for it; your talk page is intended for discussion between you and other editors. You should move it to a sandbox or to a draft, or ask someone to do that for you. It needs some improvements before it can be considered for acceptance as an article. Maproom (talk) 08:59, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@2007.sapna: You have not submitted the page for review. You can use Wikipedia:Articles for creation like you did in 2017. That gives a button to submit for review. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:03, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

How to see through google books and other paywalls?

I always see references from paywalls like googlebooks and worldcat and I wonder how do people even get the books or articles. Do they pay? if not, how? I wanna contribute a lot but i cant find free resources. --Kurigo (talk) 08:39, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@Kurigo: Google books often has previewable pages, so quite a lot can be done that way. You might take a look at the Wikipedia Library which can offer access to a number of normally paid-for sources, for free. Nosebagbear (talk) 11:52, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

WorldCat is not paywalled. It's a catalog that holds some bibliographic information about the source and often lists libraries near the reader that hold the source; it is not a place to read the source. WorldCat urls do not belong in |url= except when you are citing information on a WorldCat web page (not citing the source to which the web page refers). Because WorldCat names libraries that hold the source, including the OCLC identifier from the url (for example, 1140644064 from https://www.worldcat.org/1140644064) in |oclc= is good practice.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:18, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@Kurigo: Many books (about 20 million) are available at the Internet Archive. These are scanned library books, and you can "borrow" a copyrighted book for free, or download and keep a non-copyrighted book. -Arch dude (talk) 16:53, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Kurigo, If you use Google's Advanced Book Search] and click on the "Limited preview and full view" option, the results will be full pages rather than "snippets". I use that feature often to obtain material for use in articles. Some preceding and following pages may not be available (depending on what the publishing company allows Google to provide), but it's a good feature nevertheless. Eddie Blick (talk) 01:32, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Lost re-draft

 Courtesy link: Draft:Hubert Gordon Thompson

Please help. Yesterday I had continued to make a lot of changes to my re-draft of: Draft:Hubert Gordon Thompson following it having been declined. Today the whole new draft has disappeared. It has reverted to a previous version. Can the new one be retrieved? John Hague John Gordon Hague (talk) 10:57, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@John Gordon Hague: From what I can tell from the article's history, there haven't been any reversions performed. Are you sure you clicked on the Publish changes button? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:18, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

John Gordon Hague (edit conflict) You have no edits from your account yesterday, deleted or otherwise, and no IPs edited it, so you didn't edit while logged out. Whatever you were doing, it appears you did not click Publish Changes when you were done, which would mean that your changes were unfortunately lost. 331dot (talk) 11:19, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Question about categories

I already asked a variant of this question here last month, but this time I think the answer might be different. Basically, there's a category page about a certain subgenre with a subcategory link about a particular book series. However, certain books from that series, but not all of them, are also on the category page, along with a link to the series page itself. I feel like I should either add all of the books from that series to the category page, or remove them from that same page (including maybe the series page itself). Could anyone please tell me what the right course of action here is?--Thylacine24 (talk) 12:09, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

The book articles go in the furthest branch of the category tree they can be in, as they are automatically in the higher categories -e.g. Category:Ships > Category:Steamships > Category:Steamships of Fooland > SS Fooland. The SS Fooland article is in the Steamships of Fooland category, which is in Steamships category, which is in the Ships category. Mjroots (talk) 12:30, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Okay, this is a bit different from the answer I got last month. Could you please tell me if this sort of thing varies by circumstance?--Thylacine24 (talk) 13:44, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

That is how it should work in theory. Some editors pay more attention to categories than others, hence discrepancies. Mjroots (talk) 15:28, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots: By "[t]hat", could you please tell me if you're talking about your answer or the one I got last month?--Thylacine24 (talk) 17:00, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

My amswer timed at 12:09 today. Mjroots (talk) 18:08, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Okay, thanks. The answer I got last time seemed closer to what the MOS says, but maybe you're right.--Thylacine24 (talk) 21:34, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@Tylacine24: This probably doesn't ever apply to books, but per WP:DIFFUSE, most categories are diffusing, per Mjroots, but some are not, i.e. entries can appear in both a category and its subcategories, e.g Category:American films. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:44, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

@Clarityfiend: Could you please tell me why it doesn't "probably ever" apply to books?--Thylacine24 (talk) 02:31, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

I just haven't seen it, possibly because there are a lot more books than films? Clarityfiend (talk) 03:56, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

@ClarityFiend: (Sorry to reply so late.) Could you please tell me why there being more books than films matters?--Thylacine24 (talk) 22:07, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Remove Information From Henry Paget, 7th Marquess of Anglesey

I can't seem to get to forms for REQUESTING AN EDIT, my moves for that seem to go in circles of help pages that don't help. So, I please seek your help to either make the change(s), or direct me to the proper page to request them. If possible for you to direct the request to the appropriate person or help desk, please do so.

I'd like Wikipedia to remove information From THREE (3) pages, in order to protect privacy and help prevent Identity theft from living individuals. The pages are all related family, parent, children, grandchildren. I hope listing them together makes more sense for everyone, and avoids confusion if separate requests were made.

On this page, under FAMILY, please remove the dates of birth for the five living children: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Paget,_7th_Marquess_of_Anglesey

Lady Henrietta Charlotte Eiluned Paget (b. 31 July 1949) Charles Alexander Vaughan Paget, 8th Marquess of Anglesey (b. 13 November 1950) Lady Elizabeth Sophia Rhiannon Paget (b. 14 May 1954) Lord Rupert Edward Llewellyn Paget (b. 21 July 1957) Lady Amelia Myfanwy Polly Paget (b. 12 September 1963)

Similarly, the following page is for the second child (above), and has similar issue, please remove dates and years of birth for the Marquess and his living children as noted below. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Paget,_8th_Marquess_of_Anglesey

Charles Alexander Vaughan Paget, 8th Marquess of Anglesey (born 13 November 1950) Benedict Dashiel Thomas Paget, Earl of Uxbridge (b. 11 Apr 1986) Lady Clara Elizabeth Iris Paget (b. 1988), actress.

On this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara_Paget Please remove the date of birth from the first line: Lady Clara Elizabeth Iris Paget (born 12 September 1988) the information also appears in the BIOGRAPHY SECTION: Paget was born on 12 September 1988 It also appears on the right, under her Lady Clara's photograph.

Because she works in multiple countries on multiple continents, privacy laws vary, making protection more important. While other source material has this data, the most readily available and FREE SOURCE, is Wikipedia, so we'd like to begin here.

Just a bit of info on hackers/identity thieves: https://blog.drhack.net/privacy-birth-date-hackers-jackpot/

A professional hacker who has access to your birth-date can easily collect more information about you (including zip/post code, SS numbers and maiden's name) from these various sites and pile them up to cause you some serious damage. Such data can then be used to sign up for credit cards and even to apply for loans

https://www.ons.gov.uk/methodology/methodologytopicsandstatisticalconcepts/disclosurecontrol/policyonprotectingconfidentialityintablesofbirthanddeathstatistics Policy on protecting confidentiality

https://www.westminster.gov.uk/data-protection/register-privacy-notice Your rights and access to your information

LordAnglesey8 (talk) 14:33, 6 March 2021 (UTC)  LordAnglesey8 (talk) 14:33, 6 March 2021 (UTC)  LordAnglesey8 (talk) 14:33, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

LordAnglesey8, I have removed unreferenced birth dates from all three articles; but I have for the moment left the years of birth inom the first two. I have also tagged Clara Paget as lacking references and possibly failing notability - certainly the references currently in the article do not show that she is notable by Wikipedia's standards. For future reference: there is no form: to request an edit on an article you are associated with, please post on the article's talk page, following the recommendations in edit request. --ColinFine (talk) 14:57, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

I can't seem to find how to request that personal information be removed from a page. I seemingly find the FAQs, but the links seem to go in circles.

If possible, could you make the changes, or direct to the appropriate help desk to make the changes to this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Anglesey#Marquesses_of_Anglesey_(1815)

For personal privacy and identity theft, please remove the date/year of birth for the LIVING Marquess and heir. It appears several times on the page:

Please remove the birth year from this SECTION: Family history, 1815–present The second to the last line lists his son Charles Alexander Vaughan Paget, 8th Marquess of Anglesey (born 1950).

Also from this section: Marquesses of Anglesey (1815) Charles Alexander Vaughan Paget, 8th Marquess of Anglesey (born 1950) (JUST REMOVE BIRTH YEAR) The heir apparent is the present holder's son, Benedict Dashiell Thomas Paget, Earl of Uxbridge (born 1986) (JUST REMOVE BIRTH YEAR)

While not a concern for deceased family members and the historical record, for living members, especially those living and working in multiple countries on multiple continents, the rest of identity theft is significant:

Why your birthdate is a jackpot for hackers and ID thieves:

Your birthday isn't the only dangerous thing to share; identity thieves can also make good use of details like your birthplace and mother's maiden name. And it's tough to avoid sharing these details online https://www.howtogeek.com/402929/why-its-dangerous-to-share-your-birthday-online/

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/210459.pdf

https://blog.drhack.net/privacy-birth-date-hackers-jackpot/

LordAnglesey8 (talk) 14:59, 6 March 2021 (UTC) LordAnglesey8 (talk) 14:59, 6 March 2021 (UTC) LordAnglesey8 (talk) 14:59, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

LordAnglesey8 You don't need to educate us about the danger of hackers; your requests will be considered, as your first was. 331dot (talk) 15:13, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

In particular, don't attempt to educate us by recycling material that's published elsewhere and is not explicitly labelled either as being in the public domain or as copyleft under one of the few licences accepted by Wikipedia. I am removing a large chunk that appeared to have come from this on Facebook. ¶ But as for your request, it seems reasonable. I have just now removed this stuff from the article Shirley Paget, Marchioness of Anglesey. By contrast, let's consider Tony Blair for a moment: whatever people may think of his relationship to war or his politics in general, I think they'd agree that there's a lot to be said about him and that the Wikipedia article does at least a tolerably good job at this. Yet just about all (though not all) the article says about his progeny is that the missus and he "have four children: Euan, Nicholas, Kathryn, and Leo." We don't get to read whether one son is Euan Archibald Blair or Euan Ptolemy Blair, or whether he was born in 1978 or 1982, let alone the date: which is as it should be. -- Hoary (talk) 06:11, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Add citation for Charles Frederick Menninger

Hi I do not know how to edit one of your pages. However, I do have a reference for a "citation needed" on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Frederick_Menninger

Menninger is honored together with William W. Mayo and their sons with a feast day on the liturgical calendar of the Episcopal Church (USA) on March 6.[citation needed]

This commemoration was in a trial revision of Lesser Feasts and Fasts, Holy Women, Holy Men published in 2010 (?) but did not make it into the final version published in 2018. https://www.amazon.com/Holy-Women-Men-Celebrating-Saints/dp/0898696372/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=ISBN+978-0-89869-637-0&qid=1615044690&s=books&sr=1-1 (page 260-261)

See here https://diobeth.typepad.com/files/holy-women-holy-men.pdf pp 260-261

Some still use the 2010 commemorations, notably the Mission St Claire https://www.missionstclare.com/english/index.html https://www.missionstclare.com/english/March/whole/morning/06m.html (page for March 6 2021)

Thank you. You may want to edit the text accordingly. S

98.19.153.117 (talk) 15:40, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! You can suggest this edit on the article's talk page: Talk:Charles Frederick Menninger. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:00, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Requesting to re-using an old account after data loss

I need help that I created a Wikipedia account and lost it by data loss to my web. I need to use the existing account and logged in successfully. Can you tell me the way to proceed with existing account? 196.188.241.80 (talk) 16:13, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Just log in with it. Any Wikipedia account would have survived your Internet issues; you'd just need to remember the username and password. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 17:20, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Untitled question from Merlin1967

How do I enter a new person? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merlin1967 (talk • contribs) 13:30, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Merlin1967. That depends on quite what you mean by "enter a new person"? If you're looking to create a new article about a person or otherwise, then I'd start by reading Your First Article. --Paul ❬talk❭ 16:21, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@Merlin1967: It depends on your species. -Arch dude (talk) 23:36, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Deleted page

Hi, A site of our Miss Universe : Kecskés Enikő, who was crowned in 2018 had a site in Wikipédia. If you put her name in google there you could find age height etc. But this dissapeared. Why and who can creat it again? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:1110:224:9803:98E3:5C7D:A362:E1E9 (talk) 16:22, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

There is an undeveloped draft at Draft:Kecskés Enikő but there is not and never has been an article at Kecskés Enikő. There did used to be an article on the Hungarian Wikipedia (of which no we have control over) at hu:Kecskés_Enikő that was deleted in December 2018 (apparently for being an undeveloped stub article). Google Knowledge Graphs, we have no control over either and neither does the Hungarian Wikipedia. --Paul ❬talk❭ 16:48, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Also she didn't make it to the Top Ten, so I'm not sure "crowned" is the right term. --Paul ❬talk❭ 17:06, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@Paul Carpenter:, I SERIOUSLY invite you to reread what you just wrote above. You're missing some key words.

IP, we have no control or influence over what the Hungarian-language Wikipedia has, as its standards differ from the English-language Wikipedia's and it is an entirely separate community. We also have no control over what Google presents in its Knowledge Graph, as that's culled from multiple different sources. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 17:18, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

She was Miss Universe Hungary. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:26, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Username change

I just signed up but want to change my username as recommended. How do I do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcartelli1 (talk • contribs) 16:42, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Dcartelli1 Since this is your only edit, the simplest way is to just abandon this account (don't use it again) and register a new one. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:08, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

GA review time

This Long. --Paul ❬talk❭ 17:09, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

How long does it take to get a response on a GA review? Dr Salvus (talk) 17:02, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Dr Salvus See Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations/Instructions#Step_3:_Waiting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:11, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Interlanguage link pointing to wrong article

I'm trying to use {{ill}} to point to sv:Eric Lindholm (an actor), but {{ill|Eric Lindholm|sv}} results in Eric Lindholm (an Olympic athlete, also at sv:Erik Lindholm (friidrottare)), and directly specifying the title with {{ill|Eric Lindholm|sv|Eric Lindholm}} gives me the same result. Any ideas? DanCherek (talk) 18:37, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@DanCherek: Reading through the {{ill}} documentation, I spotted the lt parameter. Using this: {{ill|Eric Lindholm (actor)|lt=Eric Lindholm|sv|Eric Lindholm}} produces Eric Lindholm -- John of Reading (talk) 18:49, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Perfect! Thanks so much. DanCherek (talk) 18:51, 6 March 2021 (UTC)