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November 10

Article talk page query

I'm going to setup archiving at Talk:Scorpions (band). There're many "Fair use rationale for Image" sections, can these sections be deleted first, or do they also need to be archived. The reason I'm asking, I've also been removing "External links modified" sections as they come up, per this RfC. - FlightTime (open channel) 01:11, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Wow that certainly is a lot of them. I think removing them is probably fine, they are all quite old, and both the bot that left them and it's operator were banned a long time ago. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:18, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

@Beeblebrox: Thanx, I just noticed that. I was hoping another RfC wasn't an answer - FlightTime (open channel) 01:22, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

I think this is a perfect application for WP:IAR. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:26, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

A bit late here - but worth noting that nothing has to be archived. You can remove anything from a talk page, however, thing that are useful to have links to (such as regular suggestions and discussions) should be retained. Everything is already archived by the talk history, so there is no deletion. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:41, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Brighton and Hove

I am trying to adapt the [ [Template:Southampton suburbs map]] to produce a similar version for Brighton and Hove using [ [File:BrightonHove OSM1.jpg]] by substituting BrightonHove in the appropriate place as per fragment below. This inevitably brings up LUA errors. Is what I am trying to do feasible or am I attempting the impossible?

{ {Location map+
|BrightonHove
|caption=Areas of Brighton and Hove
|width=460
|float={{{float|}}}
|places=
} }

Murgatroyd49 (talk) 08:43, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

How to remove a template message

The message below has appeared in a section of my Wikipedia page that has personal information. The sentence has no citings/references because it states the day I was married and how many children and grandchildren I have. How do I delete the template message?

'This section does not cite any sources. Please help improve this section by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (February 2021) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)'

Thank you for your help with solving this issue.

BlackTea (talk) 09:30, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello BlackTea! If you are in fact Geoff Garrett, I would recommend reading Wikipedia's guidelines (and recommendations against) autobiographies and An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing before editing that article again. Wikipedia is an independently-edited, volunteer-run encyclopedia, not a who's who, directory, or many other things. Just speaking for myself, if I came to an encylopedia to look up a notable scientist, I wouldn't be particularly interested in the subject's family life – they may be important to the subject, but unless the family were notable for some other reason, these details don't belong in an encyclopedia. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 09:44, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

@BlackTea: Building on the discussion we had on your talk page in February, since you have a conflict of interest, you must declare it on your user page. You should no longer edit the article about you. Instead, you may post suggestions on the article's talk page Talk:Geoff Garrett with the {{request edit}} template, or use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:39, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Userspace draft

Hello there! Is writing a userspace draft in user page (not in user subpage) condidered NOTWEBHOST violation? Vitaium (talk) 10:35, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

The guidance about what you can put on your user page is at WP:UPYES. That doesn't include article drafts, which should use the WP:AfC process or go in your sandbox. Note that some people think that their User pages and sandboxes will be indexed by search engines but that isn't the case. So using WP as a webhost is pretty pointless. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:04, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

How do you tell if someone is a new user?

Or and admin or ....

I am supposed to not bite them, but who are they? Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 10:41, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Wakelamp one easy way is to navigate to your special preferences area and on the "gadgets" tab, activate the tickbox for "Navigation popups" under "Browsing". This does a lot of useful things when you hover over a link. On talk pages, for example, it immediately gives information about a User when you hover over their signature. So I can tell that you have made 961 edits since 31 August 2009, for example, which hardly makes you a newbie. And none of us should be biting anyone! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:59, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

True. I am not a newbie :-) I don't bite anyone - and I normally say it's not appropriate if I see it, Regardless of whether they are a newbie or not, but It would be nice to know. I avoid any topic with conflict because it is often full of angry people, mentioning how many edits they have done.

Wikipedia:Civility is dead :-)

I assume there is no way of telling who is an admin? Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 12:44, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

There's a script for that. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 12:50, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

The same navigation popup does that: see for example the @Beeblebrox link / signature just below the November 10 section header. You also get indication of gender if people have set that in their preferences. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:54, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

"User rights" is one of the options in the menu at the foot of the contributions page, and you can see there whether a user is an admin. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:05, 10 November 2021 (UTC):

@Wakelamp: Hi there! Another way to tell if a user is new is to look at their contributions. Many admins include their admin status on their user page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:42, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

I use this script created by User:Please Stand, which displays a user's permissions, roles, age of account, number of edits and when they last edited on their user page. It's very useful. Princess Persnickety (talk) 17:18, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Preview error message

When I Show preview Brian Williams, I get the message "Preview warning: Page using Template:Infobox person with unknown empty parameter "residence". However, there is no residence parameter. What's going on?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:01, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

The error was caused by the parameter "residence = " in Template:Infobox firefighter, which was embedded in the infobox. I have removed it from there and the preview error message has gone. I expect someone will now tell me I've broken something else. DuncanHill (talk) 14:07, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, I see what you did and it fixed the problem, but the error message is misleading. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:19, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of embedding things in each other, it always seems to have unexpected results, quite apart from baffling most of us. DuncanHill (talk) 14:48, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Tyng Error!

Hi,

Looks like a typing error, please click on the link below... Mainly the spelling/wording of "COLOMBIA"...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia#Pre-Columbian_era

History:

Main articles: History of Colombia and Timeline of Colombian history Pre-Columbian era Main article: Pre-Columbian cultures of Colombia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.74.97.221 (talk) 14:54, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

This is correct, as the term "Pre-Columbian" refers to the era before the arrival of Christopher Columbus and other Europeans. The name "Columbus" is spelled with a "u" in English, even though the country is spelled with an "o". -- John of Reading (talk) 15:08, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Complaint about "Opinion polling for the next Ukrainian parliamentary election" page

Dear Wikipedia representatives, I think it would be appropriate to block the user Ofihet for provocation. Articles about opinion polling in Ukraine have always contained the following order of parties: from the most popular to the least popular. This order is a certain means of influence, but such objectivity. While the above user changes the order only in favor of pro-Russian parties. This is a constant provocation and it demotivates many editors, including me, to be on this site. Restore and defend justice, not do inaction and disregard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Block baby (talk • contribs) 17:23, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Help Desk. Please do not bring content disputes or conduct issues here. For content discussions, please discuss on Talk:Opinion polling for the next Ukrainian parliamentary election and if someone does not Wikipedia:Assume good faith, read the proscribed dispute resolution mechanisms. I have sent a similar message to the other parties. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:31, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

References and WP:NACTOR

how much does an article need reference to be at least a decent article? And also how does the WP:NACTOR works? Like does the actor have to be in a be project or in a big role? And is it really important? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mac O'Donnell (talk • contribs) 18:29, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Verifiability tells you why it's important to add sources to articles and how you can identify reliable sources. NACTOR seems pretty clear on what counts:

Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.

ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 22:50, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Ukraine polls

Dear Wikipedia admin,

Feeling confused, as several Ukraine polls editors seem to have a strong bias.

Just to inform that opinion polls of Ukraine edited by block baby and Mr Gimein seem to be biased against a party that gathered second best result in previous elections (it regularly gets moved to third place with no justified reason apart from the possible preferences of the editor).

I see Wikipedia as unbiased source of information and therefore encourage you to explain these principles to block baby and Gimein in the hope that they stop acting biased. My explanations in my edits seem to mean nothing to them, so I kindly ask to keep an eye on their edits in the coming weeks to filter out biased information and/or block as I have no wish to argue with people who are unwilling to listen and read my comments.

You can see for yourself that my arguments are neutral and based on facts and reality regardless of preferences as I treasure neutrality of Wikipedia above all.

Thank you very much!

Best wishes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ofihet (talk • contribs) 18:51, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Help Desk. Please do not bring content disputes or conduct issues here. For content discussions, please discuss on Talk:Opinion polling for the next Ukrainian parliamentary election and if someone does not Wikipedia:Assume good faith, read the proscribed dispute resolution mechanisms. I have sent a similar message to the other parties. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:31, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Editing clash?

Hi. I was just doing some minor editing: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pentagon_UFO_videos&type=revision&diff=1054554720&oldid=1054543497

I was using the Visual Editor, which I normally avoid. Notice that the link "Congress" has been changed to "Congress", ie, now points to a different page. The problem is that I didn't make that change! I have no knowledge of, and no interest in, US Congress.

1) Is this the result of a clash with another editor? I can see no evidence of that.

2) I'm inclined to change the link back to the old link. Is that a good idea? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghastlyman (talk • contribs) 19:54, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

I also have no idea how that might have happened, but I don't see anything wrong with changing it back. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Rummskartoffel 20:46, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Cheers! <-- Ghastlyman (talk) 21:00, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

VisualEditor has a feature to pick a new link target from a list of similar page names. It would take a total of three accidental clicks to make the change. My iPhone has done more in my pocket. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:01, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Copyright from YouTube

Second question : It's copyrighted if you took a photo from a YouTube video by a screenshot isn't it? Mac O'Donnell (talk) 22:12, 10 November 2021 (UTC) Mac O'Donnell Mac O'Donnell (talk) 22:12, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

The answer is yes, Mac O'Donnell, unless the video is copyright free or freely licensed appropriately. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:24, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Donations and deletions

So I have tried to edit my father’s page but your monitors/editors keep deleting it and my stepmother gets to expand lies about my dad’s life since he died last January. If your site was operating fairly to everyone I would make a donation but why would I give money to an unfair site? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1000:B12D:5382:9164:2C10:8709:6613 (talk) 22:37, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry that your family is experiencing this conflict, but neither you nor your stepmother ought to be playing this conflict out on Wikipedia. No family member should be editing your father's Wikipedia article directly due to conflict of interest, and any content that cannot be verified will be removed. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 22:43, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, if an edit you have made is undone (reverted) the best place to raise a discussion is at the talk page of the article concerned. Volunteers here at the help desk do not typically become involved in content disuputes and without a link (the IP used to post here has only this thread in its edit history) cannot help much in any event. Please see WP:BRD for how to resolve disputes. Donations have no effect on what editors here at Wikipedia publish (or not) they go to the Wikimedia foundation which keeps the whole project running. If you do not want to donate that is absolutely fine, there is no requirement to do so. As information, if adding content to a biographical article, there must be available, published, reliable sources in support thereof. Please also read our page about editing where you have a connection to the subject at WP:COI and make any necessary declarations. You can then use Template:Request edit to suggest changes to the article. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 22:56, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! You can also use Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard to suggest how to improve an article. Thank you for your efforts to improve Wikipedia! GoingBatty (talk) 03:32, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Translation

Hello guys. I just translated an article from spanish to english following Wikipedia conventions and adding references, but haven't been able to publish it. I have already edited more that 10 articles in Wikipedia in Spanish. What should I do in order to be able to publish it? Would appreciate your help a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dvd2021 (talk • contribs) 23:58, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Because your account on this project is not yet autoconfirmed you cannot create pages in article space. You can, however, mark it as a userspace draft and submit it to articles for creation. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:13, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

@Dvd2021 welcome to Tea House! In order to create Articles, you will either need WP:AUTOCONFIRM status which is automatically granted once you've finished making 10 edits, you can request an article creation through Wikipedia:Articles for creation. While your experience and multilingual skills will likely be helpful, they do not confer special/automatic rights here in English Wikipedia. Additionally, some of the rules around Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Five pillars may differ, so please give them a read. If you have any questions you can ask here again or on my talk page. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 00:14, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

I've moved your draft to Draft:Carolina Sanín. The draft has many references, but a large percentage of these are by Sanín herself. This looks suspect. I haven't read the draft, but perhaps some of the references (?) by Sanín aren't meant as references and are instead meant as explanatory notes. Explanatory notes are much better separated from actual references; you can use the "group" attribute for this. (Compare <ref> and <ref group="n">; and the corresponding <references /> and <references group="n" />.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:22, 11 November 2021 (UTC)