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October 2

Third party sharing of personal information to archive website

To whom this may concern,

I am enquiring as to why Wikipedia has linked a blog entry of mine to an archive website?

https://archive.is/duv5e

You can clearly see the page was linked from Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stilly88 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@Stilly88: Hmmmm...it appears an anonymous user added a link to the blog page on the Ziggy the bagman article in this edit from 2014. The edit was reverted by a bot, which posted the link on User talk:203.212.152.180. Maybe the folks at archive.is would be able to explain why the archive page has a link to User talk:203.212.152.180. GoingBatty (talk) 02:51, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Polychain Capital

Not too sure how to clear the cleanup tag since no actual information on it was given in the talk page -Imcdc (talk) 02:49, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@Imcdc: Hi there! I suggest you ask on Talk:Polychain Capital, as your question there about the COI tag resulted in it being removed. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:01, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

If I paraphrase, can I use the same books the original source used in the paraphrase, but change words around them?

For the article Lincoln Kirstein I want to add a section on Kirstein's writing. My current plan is to take the Encyclopedia Britannica (EB) section on this topic and paraphrase it. Here is how the EB section reads: "Kirstein’s literary output was prolific and eclectic. His works on dance include Dance (1935), a standard reference work; The Classic Ballet (1952; with Muriel Stuart); Movement and Metaphor (1970); The New York City Ballet (1973); Nijinsky Dancing (1975); and Thirty Years with the New York City Ballet (1978). From 1942 to 1948 he edited Dance Index, a magazine that published scholarly, illustrated, and annotated monographs on the entire spectrum of dance topics. In bound form (seven volumes), Dance Index became a major reference work for dance scholars. Kirstein also published poetry, plays, novels, memoirs, and critical studies on the visual arts, motion pictures, music, and literature."

Here is the link: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Lincoln-Kirstein#ref71143

The above quote is too long to use as a quote, right? So I can paraphrase it. But is it acceptable when I say some of his works on dance to say the exact same ones EB said i.e. Dance (1935); The Classic Ballet (1952; with Muriel Stuart); Movement and Metaphor (1970); The New York City Ballet (1973); Nijinsky Dancing (1975); and Thirty Years with the New York City Ballet (1978)? Greg Dahlen (talk) 10:56, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

The article already lists all these works and more. It also uses the word "eclectic" and we can tell he was prolific from the number of his works. So what exactly do you wish to add that's not already covered? There would be a case for adding a citation of EB to back up some of the statements already present or as a source, if it has an extensive article on him. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:16, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Mike Turnbull. Every article I've read, and I've read hundreds, of any person who was significantly a writer will give some synopsis within the article of what their writing was and what they wrote about. I'm not sure all the reasons why. I could suppose for one it assists the reader who wants to speedily get a general idea of what the person wrote about, rather than go through a list of what they wrote and figure it out. I could suppose that there are readers who could read a list of what a writer wrote and not be able to articulate a general overview of what they wrote, so if the article does this it helps those readers. This is the first article I've seen that doesn't do such a synopsis. But I think it should. I do worry if I just use the same books EB used, it might be considered a minor plagiarism, even if I change everything else. Greg Dahlen (talk) 14:56, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

OK, that seems eminently reasonable. I suggest something like (as a minimum) "according to his EB article, Kirstein's 1935 work Dance became a standard reference book and his Dance Index is a major reference work for dance scholars"(citing your URL). It isn't plagiarism to use a short direct quote with attribution, especially when most of the quote is naming the works under discussion. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:34, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Regarding creating our Brand Page

Dear Team, We are SendMe Technologies. Online Delivery Company. Please guide us to create our Wikipedia Page. Our website is htts://sendme.today

Thanks, Priyank SendMe Technologies SendMeIndia (talk) 12:00, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't have 'brand pages'. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:14, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Multiple issiues here:

1. Your username is disallowed here. Usernames most not indicate an account is used by multiple people. Account sharing is not allowed. You can visit WP:CHUS or Special:GlobalRenameRequest to get a new username.
2. Since you work for the company in question, you have what Wikipedia calls a conflict of interest and almost certainly fall under the paid editing disclosure requirements (this one is a TOS requirement)
3. As already said above, Wikipedia doesn't have "brand pages", Wikipedia has encyclopedic articles about subjects which meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability, in this case a noteable company. We are not realy interested in what a company has to say about themselves, we are not social media.
4. Sucessfully creating a new article from scratch is one of, perhaps the hardest, task to perform around here. It requires much time and practice. Having a conflict of interest does not make things easier.

That being said, if you are absolutely sure you want to do this (after you changed your username and did the mandatory disclosures I talked about above), you can go over to Your first article and create a Draft. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:29, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

percent of articles about various things

Has anyone analyzed what percent of Wikipedia articles are about people, what percent about things, what percent about events, etc.? If not, it'd be interesting. Technically, would it be able to be done, apart from the time and effort someone(s) would have to expend? Greg Dahlen (talk) 15:48, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen: probably the best approach is to use Wikidata. Wikidata is a large database that includes "items" of many types. There is an "item" associated with each Wikipedia article, and linked other items that characterize the "type" of the item. you would need to create an appropriate query of this database. -Arch dude (talk) 16:55, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

2023 NCAA men's basketball tournament

Can you fix the error i made please. 98.186.54.177 (talk) 16:10, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: 2023 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament

It looks like there is some disagreement on if this article should exist on its own, as it was turned into a redirect. You should start a discussion on the talk page, or perhaps work on it as a draft instead. RudolfRed (talk) 23:08, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Google Chrome on Mac is blocking your site

Google Chrome on Mac is blocking your site... on all my computers.

Version 87.0.4280.141 (Official Build) (x86_64) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scarlsonnyc (talk • contribs) 17:46, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@Scarlsonnyc: Hi there! What is the exact URL is it blocking, and what is the exact error message you are receiving? GoingBatty (talk) 15:31, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@Scarlsonnyc: This sounds like m:HTTPS/2021 Let's Encrypt root expiry. The section § macOS contains instructions on how to fix the issue. – Rummskartoffel 14:10, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Me too I'm getting that problem - and on Safari for IOS9.35 Chrome message is: NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.225.246.76 (talk) 10:39, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

What is the exact URL you are visiting to get that error message? Have you tried upgrading your iOS version? GoingBatty (talk) 13:15, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Since you are using iOS 9, this is probably m:HTTPS/2021 Let's Encrypt root expiry. The section § iOS contains instructions on how to fix the issue. – Rummskartoffel 14:10, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

(...further to the unsigned comment immediately above) I'm getting it on my MacBook Pro too - it's on every Wikipedia page, including tabs I've had open without problems for weeks which very recently worked fine. I don't care - I have other browsers; but I thought someone at Wikipedia might want to know.

Help with an article

I was reading an article on the mobile browser version of Wikipedia, and I noticed a problem in an article structure. By default the sections of the article are collapsed, and it's up to the reader opening it or not, this specific article sections aren't collapsed and there is no way to collapse those sections. I browsed the article edit history and found where the problem began, as I don't know how to fix it, I'm asking for help to make this article more mobile-friendly. The link below is the source of the problem, apparently, the new info added turned the article non-collapsible. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_professional_sports_families&diff=828132069 Bastewasket (talk) 20:14, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

I was able to provoke the problem in this version of my sandbox. The next edit removes one row from the table, and collapsing works again. It seems that the total table size in the article is what matters, as 772 rows were fine, while 773 broke it. (I combined the two tables on the page figure out if the two separate tables matter. It seems they do not.)

Narrowing down the issue, this version is broken while the next edit, just removing a {{JAP}} template, fixes it. The difference is in 1009 vs 1008 total templates.

It turns out that just 1001 copies of {{BEL}} breaks it, while 1000 is fine. It looks like a template issue, though something must account for the difference of 8 templates between the page when it was full of things (1008 templates ok), vs my artificial test case (1000 templates ok). – Anon423 (talk) 13:55, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

This is turning out to be a quite technical issue. I've brought it up at the Village pump (technical), where it might be better addressed. – Anon423 (talk) 15:53, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Trump is no longer President (2)

Hello I did a search on Pelosi and her page came up and it stated on the page that Trump was still president along with Joe Biden. This need to be corrected as we all know Trump lost his presidency to Joe Biden November 2020. Please correct this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:7F70:14B0:C8C3:CDF9:DD19:BFA (talk) 21:10, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

This was asked and answered above on this page. Although the current IP address is different, I assume this was you, as the wording here is identical.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:15, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Read Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2021 October 1#Trump is no longer President above. This has been addressed and explained. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 06:27, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 23:37, 10 November 2021 (UTC)