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September 15

Photograph request

I just translated the article Iso Vasikkasaari from Finnish. The article mentions the most interesting building in the Espoo archipelago: a private villa resembling an ancient Greek temple. I have seen this villa myself on a boat trip to Espoo. I did not visit the villa itself as it is on private property. However, I failed to take a photograph of it. I looked at the original Finnish article and the category on Commons and there doesn't seem to be a photograph of it either. Because of the current COVID-19 pandemic, I don't want to travel to the Espoo archipelago myself to take a picture. Is there any way I could request a picture of this specific building on Wikipedia or Commons? JIP | Talk 03:33, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@JIP: Hi there! You could add something like {{photo requested|architecture|in=Finland|of=the private villa resembling an ancient Greek temple in the Espoo archipelago}} to Talk:Iso Vasikkasaari. You should also add {{Translated page}} to the talk page. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@JIP: you may have better luck by making a request somewhere on the Finnish Wikipedia, or even (gasp!) by going off-Wikipedia altogether and finding someone with a local interest in Espoo, perhaps on a social media group or in the city government. -Arch dude (talk) 03:59, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@JIP You can try Commons:File requests. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:18, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Why should we not use inequality mark in wikipedia? (><)

Hello. I wonder why we cannot use inequality mark in wikipedia, although there are many non-latin alphabet wiki. For instance, in Korea internet, inequality mark is usually used to marking title -in English, Harry potter- like <해리 포터>.《 》mark is standard, but <> is more used in internet, for convenience. I already know I cannot use them in title, but is it fine in body? There are little keyword used in template with <> (br, u, etc). Actually, Korean wikipedia consist of hangeul. Reiro (talk) 10:38, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

MOS:COMMONMATH gives ≠ as the symbol for inequality. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:49, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Well, I mean... Korean wikipedia usually consist of hangeul (not english), so I wonder whether it is fine that < > mark is used in article body as highlight something (such as, like Harry Potter, <해리포터> (Harry Potter) at Korean wikipedia). If do that, is it problem? Reiro (talk) 10:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

In enwiki we use the {{lang}} template if including words from other languages, see MOS:FOREIGNITALIC. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:02, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

There are little keyword used in template with <> (br, u, etc). What you're describing here aren't templates; they're (X)HTML tags, some of which you may use when editing Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 12:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, @Hoary:. Then, is it problem if I use less/greater than mark as quatation mark with hangeul, at Korean Wikipedia? Reiro (talk) 12:56, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Well, is there any problem using inequality mark (< >)as quatation mark(" ") in Korean Wikipedia? --Reiro (talk) 11:27, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Reiro. Angle brackets "<" and ">" (which are also used mathematically for inequalities) are not customary for quotations in English, and should not normally be used in that purpose in English Wikipedia. If you are asking about Korean Wikipedia, then you will need to ask there: English Wikipedia and Korean Wikipedia are entirely separate projects, with their own policies and conventions. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by ColinFine (talk • contribs) 11:45, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

The term Angle brackets is usually reserved for "⟨" and "⟩" (and their derivatives). "<" and ">" are simply "less than" and "greater than" respectively. Bazza (talk) 12:17, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I mean... less than and greater than mark. Reiro (talk) 12:49, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, so if you have a question about using these in Korean-language Wikipedia, please ask at Korean-language Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 12:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: In fact, there are no consensus on it. So I wonder what potential result or problem is brought if we adapt that. I do not know less/greater than mark with non-latin alphabet is fine. Reiro (talk) 12:59, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@Reiro: the conventions for use of particular symbols in text vary by language. The non-use of angle brackets or less-than/greater-than is not restricted to the English Wikipedia. This convention is used in (almost) all English-language publications. You should compare the English Wikipedia typographical conventions to other English publications, not to other Wikipedias. Similarly, compare the Korean Wikipedia typographical conventions to other Korean publications, not to other Wikipedias. Note that other Wikipedias with latin-based alphabets use different typographical conventions than the English Wikipedia, because those languages have different typographical conventions also. -Arch dude (talk) 17:02, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much, @Arch dude: :) Reiro (talk) 17:10, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Cleanup/Information sidebar (done)

Considering this page, how can the box "See the project's archives for work editors have accomplished." be rendered really centered? Currently, it is slightly offset to the right of the main box.--Hildeoc (talk) 13:31, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@Hildeoc: Hi there! You already asked this question four days ago. The previous discussion can now be found at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 September 11#Wikipedia:Cleanup/Information sidebar. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Yes, but, as you can see, the issue was not resolved then. So I wanted to give it another try.--Hildeoc (talk) 18:48, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@Hildeoc: The likelihood of asking in the same place and receiving a better answer is low. Instead, you could try the talk page for Wikipedia talk:Cleanup (Wikipedia:Cleanup/Information sidebar) or the talk page for {{archives}} (Template_talk:Archives). Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 20:27, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

I've replied at Wikipedia talk:Cleanup#Sidebar formatting. —⁠andrybak (talk) 13:19, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Football teams templates

Hi there. I want to make a Medal table for the under 20, under 17, women's under 19, Confederations Cup and Futsal World Cup teams. We need a template for those teams. Or do they already exist? Where do I find them? Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 14:36, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@Aquatic Ambiance: You can simply use Wiki Table for Medal table, Thank you! Dhaneesh 💙 Ram 15:41, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

i have a word i made up

I want to get that word out in the world, how can i do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zestu (talk • contribs) 15:13, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@Zestu: can you deeply explain your issues. Thank you. Dhaneesh 💙 Ram 15:37, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, we don't have articles on made up words. Use social media for that. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:42, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

The idea that Wikipedia can be used that way has come up so often that there is even a specific policy that explains why attempts to include such material will be speedily deleted. Please read WP:NOTMADEUP, Zestu but don't be put off from contributing here with your new account: see also H:FIRST. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:03, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@Zestu: Since you cannot use Wikipedia for this, I suggest you use social media or Youtube. -Arch dude (talk) 23:49, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

How to write article for Wikipedia

Hi, I am a new user on Wikipedia and i visit this site first chance. I have read some benefit articles, that are very great and interested.Now i want to write an article about my website because this is the right place to share something with each other. But my question is that how can i write a perfect article according to your rule. So, please guide me about it. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afnankhan123 (talk • contribs)

Welcome to Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia and not the place to write about or promote your website. RudolfRed (talk) 16:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@Afnankhan123: Hi there! Please see WP:NOTPROMOTION and Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 17:50, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Afnankhan123 How to write an article for Wikipedia: Step 1 - Pick a topic you know nothing (or very little) about. Step 2 - Research that topic using only sources that meet the reliable source criteria. Step 3 - Write a draft that summarizes what the sources you found have to say about the topic. For each fact or assertion in the draft provide a citation indicating which source that fact came from. Step 4 - Submit the draft to articles for creation. Step 5 - wait. AFC can take months to review articles. Step 6 - Act on any feedback the AFC reviewer left for you. Topics which you should not write about: 1. Yourself. 2. Anything you are connected to such as the company you work for, the company you founded, your website, your relatives, your band, your invention . . . etc. 3. Anything you cannot find at least 3 sources about; excluding sources produced by the thing itself (such as its website, press releases, autobiography, etc.). 4. Anything you know so much about that you have trouble distinguishing between what is "general knowledge" and what requires a citation. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 18:27, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Undelete

Please review this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Brij_Kishore_Sharma the sources are reliable, independent and notable so Please undelete it from wikipedia. As the sources the subject is notable and I know that this page was created by a blocked user but it is for wikipedia please review it don't see that the wikipedia page is created by a blocked user only see the contents. Thankyou for advance and please help and reply me as the sources of that Page Is the subject is notable or not Rajnandgaon, Chhattisgarh (talk) 17:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

I've blocked the OP as a sock of HARSH VARDHAN SHARMA "TARA". --Blablubbs (talk) 19:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Deletion Discussion Result Mismatch

I was doing a WP:BEFORE for CommandN and noticed that the previous AfD appears to have ended with Delete but the talk page says No Consensus. Why is that the case? Should I continue my BEFORE or is this a zombie article that just needs to be deleted? TipsyElephant (talk) 18:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The article was originally deleted in 2005 per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CommandN. That deletion was overturned and relisted at deletion review, and the relisted discussion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CommandN (2nd nomination)) was closed as no consensus. There was no procedural error. But this is all ancient nonsense from over a decade ago, so even if there has been a procedural error it would still have been appropriate to just ignore the error and keep searching, and AfD the article if you think it is non-notable by 2021 standards. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: Per the deletion log, the article was deleted in 2005 as a result of the AfD [1]. Looks like it was recreated and deleted a few more times since then. Continue with BEFORE if you want to take it to AfD again. RudolfRed (talk) 19:08, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Image thumbnail over 100 MP error

Hi! The image File:Hayden Bridge, Spanning McKenzie River at Southern Pacific Railroad (moved from Springfield, Lake County, OR), Springfield, Lane County, OR HAER ORE,20-SPRIF,2- (sheet 3 of 4).png on the page Hayden Bridge (Springfield, Oregon) is having issues with displaying. The error text says that this is because it is over 100 MP. Could someone help me with this? Thanks! Tyrone Madera (talk) 19:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Tyrone Madera, your question is about an image, and the image is hosted not by Wikipedia but by Commons. So I suggest that you ask at commons:Commons:Village pump/Technical. -- Hoary (talk) 21:42, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hoary, Thanks! Tyrone Madera (talk) 21:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Wikilnk to log search results?

There is Special:Log which allows searching the various WP logs. After a search, is there a way to Wikilink the results? I found this entry in the deletion log: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=delete&user=&page=CommandN, but I can't do Special:Log?type=delete&user=&page=CommandN. Apart from linking the full URL as I did in a previous post, is there a Wikilink for something like this? RudolfRed (talk) 19:12, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: I don't think you can wikilink to logs by target. You can only link to them by performer (e.g. Special:Log/create/RudolfRed) or to individual log entries (e.g. Special:Redirect/logid/2040801). – Rummskartoffel 22:20, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Remove article.

I am Teea Goans. Someone created a wiki page some years ago without permission. Please remove it.

Please respond when the page is removed at <redacted> or further action will be taken.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kitabuddy (talk • contribs) 15 September 2021 20:02 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not need your permission to have an article about you. If you have some edits to suggest you may place a request at the article's talk page along with {{edit request}}. Also read WP:NLT RudolfRed (talk) 20:07, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

What exactly is "further action"? Wikipedia does not take kindly to legal threats. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

"Further action" could mean following these steps. Whether this would be warranted is something I haven't yet considered, but it's worth a thought. Because, although GoingBatty has started to tinker with this article, it remains very poor. -- Hoary (talk) 21:55, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

"Tinker" is a good description. The article needs the promotional language stripped out and more references. GoingBatty (talk) 22:48, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

More tinkering, GoingBatty. Note that quite a few of what references are provided are (via Wayback) to the subject herself. -- Hoary (talk) 23:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Actually, that statement about not taking "kindly to legal threats" itself sounds, if not like a threat, then like a preamble to one. It might be that the "no legal threats" rule here is well thought out and reasoned, but whenever it's actually raised, it often comes out sounding as if Wikipedia is somehow above the reach of, and not subject to, any kind of law. I suspect, though, that if some competent court finds a solid case against Wikipedia--for whatever--all of Wikipedia's policies and rules forbidding that won't matter a jot.

And in any case, if someone comes here and finds something about him or herself that s/he'd rather not see, and DOESN'T know what Wikipedia is about, s/he could be excused for supposing that it's an office building full of paid researchers writing an online encyclopedia (as, I suppose, traditional paper encyclopedias have traditionally been), and that there's therefore someone on the top floor responsible. Uporządnicki (talk) 00:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

AzseicsoK, I think you're right that people sometimes respond unnecessarily combatively to perceived legal threats. Obviously, we can't stop people taking the Wikimedia Foundation to law if that's what they choose: what the no legal threats policy says is that if they choose to do that, they may not also edit Wikipedia, and they will therefore get blocked from editing until they remove the threat. Kitabuddy, I notice that nobody has yet pointed you to AUTOPROB, which will clarify what is going on and what your options are. --ColinFine (talk) 09:43, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Public holidays

Poster advertising women 's day — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.114.57.100 (talk) 20:05, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! Did you have a question about Wikipedia? GoingBatty (talk) 20:12, 15 September 2021 (UTC)