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August 19

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing

Approximately when should the RFC for Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing take place? Please {{ping}} me when you respond. -- Jax 0677 (talk) 00:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jax 0677, I'm actually not sure, but you can try clicking the star to the left of the search box to be notified when someone creates it. weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 00:38, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

It has been created now. weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 16:13, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Request to remove maintenance template (COI)

Hi there! I recently made several edits to Project Jupyter to reduce its reliance on primary sources. Now, most of the cited sources are secondary sources. I am a professional software developer and I work on Project Jupyter as a core part of my job, so I have a conflict of interest that (per WP:WTRMT) I believe precludes me from removing the template myself. Can another editor please review whether Project Jupyter still relies too much on primary sources, and if not, could you please remove the maintenance template? Thanks! White 720 (talk) 00:43, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

I'll remove it, but I'll have to add another template. Please do not edit articles where you have a COI. Sumanuil. 05:04, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I’ll refrain from making further edits so that editors without a COI can make improvements. White 720 (talk) 14:36, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

How can I test that my image alt text additions are working for blind users?

In this edit at List of French monarchs I added alt text to some images as recommended at MOS:ACCESS. I don't see tooltip pop-ups, status bar changes, or any other indication that this alt text is working; maybe I need special blind-access software to see it? Is there a preferences gadget, or some other way that I can verify my alt text changes? Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 01:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Hm; in poking around, it seems that most browsers (except IE) don't show alt text, but the html title attribute does. So, maybe I need to do a help script request, to create a script that copies alt value to title? Mathglot (talk) 01:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

I use dispensers one. Moxy- 01:34, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mathglot: I don't know, but I suspect the folks that monitor [[talk:MOS:ACCESS]] might be able to help. -Arch dude (talk) 01:37, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Good point; I'll move this there... Mathglot (talk) 01:39, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

In the meantime, Moxy's solution works as well. I'll see what MOS users say as well. Mathglot (talk) 01:46, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Moved to WT:Manual of Style/Accessibility § How can I test that my image alt text additions are working for blind users?

Statistics about categories

Hi, I am guessing that nearly all categories are not used, and that they are not used on Stubs.

Are there any statistics - Total number of categories - Number of new categories created each month - The distribution of usage OR how many aren't used accessed by readers? (How many user journeys include clicking on a category on an article? I thought of visits, but they would include crawlers/bots)? - The distribution of number of Categories per article?

I asked a similar question on here on the 13th, but didn't get a response. Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 04:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Wakelamp. Empty categories are subject to deletion and this happens all the time. Please see Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion for recent examples. Please see Wikipedia:Statistics and Wikipedia: Categories for more information. Cullen328 (talk) 05:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@cullen328 Sorry, my post was not clear - I am not after empty categories, but ones that are not used. I have now looked at the three pages. Would I best to ask for a query? Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk)

Wakelamp, if a category is not empty, then by definition, it is being used in the articles that are contained in that category, and editors added it there by categorizing the articles. That's use. Cullen328 (talk) 06:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

By not used, I mean not accessed by a reader. It's OK. I will request a query Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 07:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Keep in mind that direct visits to the category page are not the only way in which categories can be used for navigation purposes, even by non-editor readers: they can also be used in advanced search queries, without ever visiting the category page itself. Thus, a lack of direct visits to a category page is not *necessarily* proof it is not being used by readers. (Additionally, many categories, even non-maintenance, mainspace-use categories, serve purposes in aiding editors with or without direct visits to the category page) AddWittyNameHere 23:48, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Wakelamp, to see how often a category page is viewed by readers, click "Page information " on the left toolbar, scroll to the bottom, and select "Page view statistics". Cullen328 (talk) 16:39, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

When you click "Page information", the first table already shows "Page views in the past 30 days". The main article of a category often has around 1000 times more views than the category page. It's 4400 times for Category:Donald Trump. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:14, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles for Deletion

We have hundreds of currently active deletion discussions, with some being relisted multiple times with few comments. It is a little surprising to me that with so many Wikipedia editors, there are so few of them at AfD. Is there a noticeboard where this can be discussed? Could wp:AN or Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous) work? Nythar^T.C 11:08, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

For the particular discussion about why AfD participation is low, I'd recommend either WT:AFD or WP:VPM as you said; note that the crowd you'll attract (and thus the resulting discussion) will be quite different depending on the page you start it on. Enterprisey (talk!) 15:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

I quite like how Wikihow does it

Dashboard

recent changes Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 10:21, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Creating multiple accounts using the same IP address

My colleague and I are preparing for a Wikipedia edit-a-thon for students at a university to take place on October 6, 2022. Last year, we ran into the issue of the limited number of accounts that can be created in one day under the same IP address. Can we request that this number be increased to the maximum number allowed on the day of our workshop? A more specific number, if needed, would be 50 at the maximum. Thank you! Kariscatherine (talk) 16:40, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

The way around this is to have someone with the account creator user right assist you. I'm not sure where you'd ask for that though. Perhaps the admin noticeboard, as admins have it by default. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:31, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Other approaches that may be better, filing a task on Phabricator per m:Mass account creation#Requesting temporary lift of IP cap, any admin granting the event coordinator right to Kariscatherine. (requestible at WP:PERM/EVC) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I just realized that the even coordinator group is exactly what it is needed here and was coming back to amend my comments. I forgot all about it for a minute. I must need coffee, luckily I just made some. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:41, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Rollback all

I believe somewhere I have a script that creates a drop-down on a user contributions page and then I can click on Rollback all, reverting all the edits made by the user. I usually use this with sock edits. A little bit ago, the drop-down now has duplicate entries for rollback all and two new dupes for rollback selected. When I click on rollback all, it asks me for an edit summary (normal), but then asks me for yet another edit summary. I'm not sure who is responsible for the script, but I figured someone here either knows or could figure it out for me. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bbb23: If your skin is Vector then you import User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/massRollback.js in both User:Bbb23/common.js (runs in all skins) and User:Bbb23/vector.js (runs in Vector). Only import a script once. They haven't been edited recently but there may be a recent MediaWiki change which changes what can happen if a script is loaded more than once. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, gerrit:820828 (by Krinkle) changed the behavior of importScript to no longer deduplicate loaded scripts, which is responsible for this issue as well as Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#dashes script malfunction * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

I assume then I should remove one; which?--Bbb23 (talk) 17:51, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bbb23: You can remove either one. I generally suggest to load scripts in common.js so they still run if you change skin. A few scripts are for a specific skin but not this one. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:20, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: I very much doubt I'll ever change skins, but I suppose it beats tossing a coin. I've deleted the script, and the duplicate entries are gone. Thanks!--Bbb23 (talk) 20:41, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

anon question

hello i am Rita Lara and I just found out that I have Indian in me and I would like to were i can register and hoe to register my grandmother was either Mayan that i can remember her talking about can you help me 2601:204:D982:3EC0:0:0:0:6FE6 (talk) 16:56, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

This help desk is for getting help with editing Wikipedia. We can't help with your question. RudolfRed (talk) 17:02, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Rita Lara. Try the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. Cullen328 (talk) 19:08, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

General Karl von Graffen (English)

I have a translation of the Bio page for General Von Graffen that was translated from the German wikipedia page. I would like to update the English page but I've never created a "new" page to this extent. Q1: Can I just put in the Text without the Links to other people, places and events? Maybe I can link to the German wiki page for the links. Q2: Can I create a page and save as a Temporary page until someone can review my Formatting? Here is the German wikipedia page: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_von_Graffen GearDown (talk) 18:09, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, GearDown. In answer to Q1: Creating an article in en-wiki that is from a translation is almost exactly the same as creating any other article in en-wiki. You still need to cite sufficient reliable sources to establish that the subject is notable. You don't get any short cuts just because the article exists elsewhere. The only differences are that you are choosing to take some of your text from an existing Wikipedia, and therefore you must attribute the source - see WP:Translation.

The answer to Q2 is to create a draft: see your first article and articles for creation. ColinFine (talk) 18:59, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, GearDown. English Wikipedia already has an article Karl von Graffen so your task is to expand the existing article rather than to create a new article. That is an important distinction. As ColinFine points out, you need to properly attribute anything you translate from the German Wikipedia article, which is much more detailed. Cullen328 (talk) 19:06, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Cullen328. Yes. I have already revised the English article to add a reference book just published by his granddaughter. I could revise the English version but I'm not sure how to create all the sub-headers (Life) and add to the existing Awards, as many of those have German names. I would also have to add links to every one of the German names for the awards and then add the German reference sources. Alas, I'm not well trained to do this editing. My expertise is limited to revising a Paragraph or maybe adding a photo. GearDown (talk) 19:49, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

I have some concerns about the independence of his granddaughter's book as a source, GearDown, particularly in the light of this review: "Reading one of his letters home from 1941, she finds him “a macho bully, the kind of self-justifying army officer I would have vociferously challenged had he been alive”. Yet she remains desperate to “cast him as a ‘good soldier’ who obeyed orders out of a sense of duty rather than conviction”. (Reisz, Matthew (19 July 2022). "In My Grandfather's Shadow by Angela Findlay review – in search of the 'macho bully' she never knew". The Observer.). ColinFine (talk) 17:09, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@GearDown If you don't feel comfortable doing this editing, my advice is not to do it; that is, find an easier part of Wikipedua to edit. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 09:38, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Masroor_Ahmad

HI,

Remove this wrong information, he is not the Caliph or anyone from any nation. He is a Non Muslim spreading wrong information to the world. Please remove all his posts immediately.

Thank you Malikbahi1 (talk) 21:24, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

YELL AT GOOGLE AND STOP SEARCHING THAT TERM. The more people like you search that term, the more established this becomes. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:28, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

In case it is not obvious, Malikbahl1, Jeske's reply contains a link (the blue bit) to a discussion in Wikipedia about how THIS IS NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH WIKIPEDIA, but is Google's problem. (Both Jeske and I are annoyed that somebody has been stirring up people to come and complain to Wikipedia about something WHICH IS GOOGLE's PROBLEM not Wikipedia's. ColinFine (talk) 22:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

NO NEED FOR ALL THE SHOUTING! — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 15:21, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

I'M NOT SHOUTING, YOU ARE! lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみなさい, ping me when replying 08:09, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Malikbahi1 He doesn't have any "posts" here to remove. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 09:40, 21 August 2022 (UTC)