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December 27

Isaac D Smith

Did he serve as the Commanding Officer of the 2/75 Artillery in Hanau, Germany in 1970 -1971? I was the Battalion Surgeon at that time. Mark R Stein, M D 134.56.25.140 (talk) 00:08, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

this page is for questions about editing wikipedia. please consider asking this question at the wikipedia:reference desk. lettherebedarklight晚安 02:19, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Donate requests

I have terminal brain cancer and must use every one of my last dollars trying to stay alive as long as possible. The relentless requests for money are extremely distressing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:2BB3:1140:DDD0:B13E:A331:733B (talk) 00:13, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

You should not donate if you cannot afford it. If you create an account, you can disable the donation requests in your account preferences. Otherwise, there is no way to know that the person sitting at your computer at any given moment has seen a donation request. 331dot (talk) 00:50, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

I want to update Chennai Port

This chennai Port is updated as Chennai Port Authority. Our organization employee is 3100 for 2022 Cpthelpline 01:54, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@cpthelpline: we need a reliable source for this statement. if you do have one, add it into the article yourself, properly referenced. see help:referencing for beginners for how.  Self-trout missed the employee thing, somehow. yes, you should make an edit request with your reliable source. lettherebedarklight晚安 02:24, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Err - no, Cpthelpline: contrary to what lettherebedarklight says, do not edit the article directly, as you have a conflict of interest, and you are presumably also a paid editor. What you must do, in order, is:

1. Change your user name to something that does not appear to be a role account or used by multiple people. All accounts must be personal, to individuals. If more than one individual at CPA is editing Wikipedia, they should each have a separate account. The account does not have to have your real name (I do, but many people don't), and it may contain CPA as part of it (eg "Raj from CPA"), but it should not as a whole suggest that it is editing on behalf of an organisation.
2. Make the mandatory declaration of your PAID status on your user page.
3. Not edit the article Chennai Port Authority directly, but instead make edit requests on the article's talk page. These are more likely to be successful if you cite a reliable independent| source, though for something like the number of employees, the authority's own publications would be adequate.

ColinFine (talk) 10:22, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Repeating the in a list?

Hi all, quick question, please. In the following copied and pasted passage from the San Francisco article:

The city is home to a number of educational and cultural institutions, such as the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF), the University of San Francisco (USF), San Francisco State University (SFSU), the de Young Museum, the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art, the San Francisco Symphony, the San Francisco Ballet, the San Francisco Opera, the SFJAZZ Center, the California Academy of Sciences, the San Francisco Giants, and the Golden State Warriors.

Does the need to be repeated for every entry in the sentence like that? I understand that most of those, if mentioned alone, should have the in front of them, but, I think it would be easier read if it was changed to:

The city is home to a number of educational and cultural institutions, such as the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF), University of San Francisco (USF), San Francisco State University (SFSU), de Young Museum, San Francisco Museum of Modern Art, San Francisco Symphony, San Francisco Ballet, San Francisco Opera, SFJAZZ Center, California Academy of Sciences, San Francisco Giants, and Golden State Warriors.

I couldn't find anything in the Manual of Style about this so I wanted to check here. Thanks so much, have a great day/afternoon/night! HeyElliott (talk) 02:17, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@HeyElliott I think your change would be an improvement. If you make this change and anyone objects, they can revert your change (they should leave an edit summary saying why). If that happens, then it's time for a discussion on the article's talk page. I doubt anyone would feel strongly enough about this to revert you, but you never know... David10244 (talk) 06:43, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much, David! Have a great day! :D HeyElliott (talk) 21:40, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@HeyElliott You are welcome. David10244 (talk) 07:20, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

19th-century reform movement and social movement categories

Hey, so there are like a billion reform movements in the 19th century, but both categories seem kind of empty. Any ideas what caused this? Is it ok if I just like.. add a bunch of them? I added progressive education just now but there seems to be a lot of ambiguity between reform movements and social movements. (Related to this, do we really need separate articles for 19th century reform pedagogy in the US and Europe? They're both pretty short articles too.) Hobbyvoll (talk) 03:12, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@Hobbyvoll welcome to Help desk! I noticed in Category:Reform movements that Category:19th-century reform movements is the only sub-category with a century associated with it. Your suggestion seems reasonable. If you want more input, the WP:WikiProject Sociology would be a good place to discuss. Happy categorizing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:37, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

How do I cite this?

How would I cite https://pubs.usgs.gov/myb/vol3/2019/myb3-2019-china.pdf using a citation template? Mucube (talk • contribs) 04:11, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps {{cite report}}? ColinFine (talk) 10:24, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

And include pagenumbers, it's a long document. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:26, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mucube Note that there's a nice trick to open .pdf files at a specific page. You can add #page=n to the URL to provide a link that will open the file at page n. The n has nothing to do with any pagination in the document: it is the nth page of the .pdf itself. Hence this exact link opens your report at page ten. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:20, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks For All You Do!

I as yet see no way to simply say "Thank you for all you do, and Happy Holidays"! And although I am a sustaining supporter, I today added a $100 Holiday gift! Again, Thank you. Tom Tjohnsun1 (talk) 04:26, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Notification says I’m eligible for the Wikipedia Library but the library says I’m not

I got a notification on enwiki saying “Congratulations! You are now eligible for The Wikipedia Library.” However, when I click though and log in, it says I am not eligible and I only have 431 edits. I tried logging out and logging back in to refresh my data but it didn’t change. Is this a known issue, and am I eligible as the notification says or do I still need to make 70 more edits? — TheOnlyZac (talk) 04:58, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

If the criteria at https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/about/ are to believed, then you'll need another 70 edits, meaning the notification would be buggy. There doesn't seem to be an existing bug report on phabricator. Rummskartoffel 12:50, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@Rummskartoffel @TheOnlyZac I've filed T325961 and I'll look closer at this next week :) I suspect it has something to do with your account rename. Sam Walton (talk) 15:30, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism and motivated editing on the Saturated fat article

Please see the edit history for the talk page for this saturated fat article. A user is reverting/deleting/archiving talk page posts in an apparent attempt to suppress good-faith discussion.sbelknap (talk) 14:10, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Gender identity question/concern

Hi. Please can someone take a look at the recent edits on the page List of people scheduled to be executed in the United States. Long story short a transgender person (formerly male transitioned to female) is scheduled for execution next year. The MOS for these types of pages and the way the tables present this information requires the gender of each person to be listed and there is disagreement/confusion as to how this information should be presented as this is the first time a transgender person is set to be executed. Normally just male or female is selected but I'm unsure as to what should be listed in the table given the person is transgender. There is also a page List of women executed in the United States since 1976 and if executed I'm not sure if McLaughlin should be added to that list either. This news article from CNN lists the person's current and former name: [1]. Please can someone take a look and help clear this up as a lot of recent IP edits have been happening on the page changing the information and it will likely spiral out of control as the date draws nearer. Thanks. Inexpiable (talk) 17:07, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

There is a Manual of Style element related to this question; see MOS:NB and MOS:GIDINFO. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:55, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Donations

i am extrenely pleased that we have wipedia , I have donated to several - social justice organizations/ charities . my concern is they seem to think that i am a bottomless pit and kepp sending donation requests. I would like to contribute to WIPEDIA but don't want to b hounded with subsequent donation requests . that is not to say that a donation is the final one but i want to be in charge . please respond. 23.251.191.118 (talk) 19:18, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

IP user: by not having a Wikipedia account, you can't set up the account preferences that protect most of the rest of us from the endless dunning. PS: The Wikipedia Foundation has plenty of money and hires professional scare-mongers to encourage donations. Sorry you feel they are trying to exploit you. They kind of are!-- Quisqualis (talk) 19:32, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account and uncheck Preferences → Banners → Fundraising. The Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past.
None of the Wikipedia volunteer editors here who add and improve content in articles receive any financial benefit. We all simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use.
If you cannot afford it, no one wants you to donate. Wikipedia is not at risk of shutting down, and the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts the Wikipedia platform and is asking for these donations, is richer than ever.
You are welcome to communicate directly with the donor-relations team by emailing donate@wikimedia.org. Thank you!-Arch dude (talk) 19:29, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Created duplicate and need help fixing

I messed up - I created a new page for the art game Game, game, game and again game but hadn't realised that the work already had a page that was a redirect to the author page. So I removed the redirect and moved the content I wrote to the first page - but I must have messed up the redirect because now it redirects to itself. The only difference between the two pages seems to be the capitalisation. (I should have checked that of course).

Could someone please help me and delete or properly redirect the messed up page?

Game, Game, Game And Again Game is the messed up page.

Game, game, game and again game is the correct page.

Thank you!! Lijil (talk) 19:30, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@Lijil Welcome to Help Desk! I fixed it for you! {{Redirect}} which you you used, has a completely different purpose. For learning how to redirect, you can see my edit here or read documentation of WP:REDIRECT. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:44, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much!!! Lijil (talk) 12:08, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

@Lijil if this happens again you could WP:MOVE the page with the incorrect name to the correct name. If you can't do the move yourself you could use Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. In this case that would have left a new article started by yourself and deleted the old redirect page. If other editors have contributed to a page, it is important to move the page and preserve the history. TSventon (talk) 12:47, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Review request

Paintings of Venice (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) I don't know where to start, what advice to give, what action to take - maybe draftify? Could someone perhaps with NPP experience step in? NebY (talk) 20:06, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Looks like it should be a category, not any kind of article. Maproom (talk) 20:34, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

We do already have Category:Cityscape paintings of Venice but half the paintings in that Paintings of Venice article don't depict Venice. NebY (talk) 21:53, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Is removing a maintenance notice template - a minor edit?

Does removing the Uncategorized Template (after just having published an edit in which I have categorized an article) a minor edit by itself? I couldn't manage to find an answer in Help:Minor edit so I'm asking you all :) 3point1415 (talk) 20:07, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn't mark it minor. I'd indicate in my edit summary that I am removing the template as I have fixed the problem. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 21:47, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! 3point1415 (talk) 13:26, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

You've got an image problem.

You've got an image problem.

I bought 100 Zimbabwe million dollar bills on feebay.

I put each one in an envelope and sealed them with a sticker with the URL to the Wikipedia Zimbabwe hyperinflation page. As an explanation that they were real bills.

As xmass presents I put one in the in-boxes of everyone in my building. 60 people.

I'm getting complaints.

People think it's a scam. They went to Wikipedia and got hit with a plea for money.

And I can't convince them otherwise. 75.97.208.201 (talk) 21:28, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, IP editor, it looks like they should be able to figure out that they have merely to forward those envelopes containing currency to the appropriate address in California.^{[just kidding]}-- Quisqualis (talk) 01:54, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

I sympathise. The way new users get demands for money (which the WMF certainly doesn't need) is damaging Wikipedia's image. Us experienced editors have figured out how to turn off these demands, so we tend to forget how annoying and inappropriate they are. Maproom (talk) 10:17, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Personally, I've never understood these complaints. I've been using and contributing to Wikipedia near-daily since the early 2000's without an account (a deliberate decision), so presumably I see all the donation requests that appear: I simply click the [X] button and they're gone.

I don't feel 'guilty', because I choose to help Wikipedia with my time, rather than money; I understand that they're part of the WMF's fundraising tactics; and I understand why an organisation entirely dependent on donations asks for more when it has (only) about a year's operating expenses in reserve.

Do the people who complain get upset by the sight of billboards in the street, ads on the side of buses, ads in newspapers and magazines, ads on TV?

Are the appeals harder to dismiss on a mobile device (which I never use for accessing Wikipedia)?

What's the big deal? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.245.235 (talk) 17:35, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Photo album of Mohmand Field Force 1908

I have found a photobook with 70 photos of the Mohmand Field Force in 1908, belonging to my great grandfather. He was a British Army officer serving in India. How can I make these photographs available to anyone with a valid interest? Ping503952 (talk) 21:32, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

We need a little more information. From what you have said, I surmise that the photos were taken in 1908. However, what do you mean by "a photobook"? Is this like an album that your great grandfather put the photos in, or is it a published book that he bought? Did he take the photos, or did someone else? Were the photos ever published anywhere? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 21:46, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@Ping503952 The general copyright rules for photos taken in India are given at commons:Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/India. You can use a tag listed on that page to show that photos created before 1958 are in the public domain 50 years after creation. Upload scans of a selection of the photos to Wikimedia Commons using the Wizard at commons:Special:UploadWizard. It sounds as though they will be useful in the article Mohmand Expedition of 1908, which at present has screeds of text but no images. Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:45, 27 December 2022 (UTC)