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January 1

Error in 2021 in baseball

Can you fix the error in 2021 in baseball please. 98.186.54.177 (talk) 01:54, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

What error do you need fixed? - Garfield cat and lasagna — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garfield Cat & Lasagna (talk • contribs) 03:24, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

2021 in baseball displayed a red error message because a closing </ref> was removed in [1]. I have restored it. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:31, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Useless redirect article.

I found a useless redirect article that redirects to Among Us when you type in Among us (lowercase us). I think its useless because when i try to use it on my echo, it doesn't do anything. Please help me get the article removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garfield Cat & Lasagna (talk • contribs) 03:23, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

@Garfield Cat & Lasagna: Wikipedia:Redirect#Purposes of redirects includes "Likely alternative capitalizations". The redirect means that the wikilinks Among us and among us work. I don't know what "my echo" refers to (Amazon Echo?) but we are not going to delete 400,000 redirects with {{R from other capitalisation}} due to a poorly performing program or device. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:19, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Question about dates and times

I am new to the idea of Wikipedia projects, but not new to technology, I worked as a technical administrator (AKA 'systems programmer') for mainframes, but for a good part of a decade I was the tech person for email and calendaring on that mainframe. I have an idea for a project, but before I propose it I would like to find a page about rules for expressing dates and times in Wikipedia. There are lots of issues that I hope have been discussed before, but here are two on my mind right now:

1. What is expected for dates prior to the adoption of the Gregorian calendar? What about dates during the period when some were transitioning and some were not? 2. Are times presented in the time zone of where the 'event' happened, or in UTC?

If someone can point me to a standards page for this part of Wikipedia editing, it will help me formulate my writeup for a proposed project. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by TimHare (talk • contribs) 05:32, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

@TimHare: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers is detailed. Changes can be suggested at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers. First search the archives for old discussions. Wikipedia:WikiProject Time may also be of interest depending on what exactly you want to do. Before spending significant time on a proposal, you could outline your idea here. Maybe it has already been rejected or is not practical with the current software, e.g. allowing readers to see their own time zone and calendar in articles. Our MediaWiki software is used by thousands of wikis. See Wikipedia:Bug reports and feature requests for changes to MediaWiki. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:48, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:I will search the archives. The basic idea I had was to try to add HTML5 "date" and/or "time" tags to all the places where it is appropriate - probably using UTC datetime values. I'll try to search the archives. I hope I edited this correctly- I'm new to this aspect .

TimHare (talk) 06:42, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

@TimHare: Replies get one more colon than the post they reply to. Signatures belong on the same line as the last text. See more at Help:Talk pages. MediaWiki doesn't allow insertion of all HTML tags but it does allow Help:HTML in wikitext#time. That means we can do it here at the English Wikipedia without a MediaWiki change. Most editors don't like messing with HTML tags so it would mainly be done by templates. A search only finds a few templates doing it. If you want widespread use then a suggestion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers with a neutral notification (note Wikipedia:Canvassing) at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Time is a good way to start. Include reasons which can be understood by people who don't know HTML and haven't heard of the tag. You can also make suggestions for specific templates on their talk page but they have a much better chance of being approved if a recommendation in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers can be linked, or you learn enough template language to make the code yourself. Many templates are protected so you may still need approval to add the code. Before any official suggestion, I suggest you get familiar with Help:Talk pages, Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines, and at least some of Help:Wikitext. People who don't know "the basics" may be dismissed by some users as newbies who lack knowledge of Wikipedia, even if they have great knowledge in other areas. For example, your first post has a misformatted list and lacked a signature. It's great if you are willing to learn, and it looks like it. Outsiders who storm in and want us to make big changes without knowing how we work are rarely successful. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:54, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

@TimHare: There are many potential pitfalls when you don't know Wikipedia well. You could make a draft first, e.g. on the "Sandbox" link at top of pages, and ask me and others for feedback here before going live with the real suggestion. It's hard to overcome a poor start to a discussion like a bunch of opposes because it's considered unworkable or too impractical as suggested. Simply expecting that editors manually add the time tag without using a template could get such responses. Your sandbox is public but few people will see it if you don't ask for it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:57, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Question moving draft to article

If I move my draft to the article through 'move' that is moving the draft to the article main page will it be visible and published in Wikipedia. Does my article be indexed at google search? If that happens then it will be published without review? How long it takes to index it on google search? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.173.24.182 (talk) 06:18, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! Per Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing: "Articles older than 90 days are automatically indexed....Articles younger than 90 days are not indexed, unless they have been patrolled and do not have the {{NOINDEX}} template on them (or a template that transcludes the {{NOINDEX}} template, such as the speedy deletion templates)." However, if your article does not demonstrate that the topic meets Wikipedia's notability criteria, it may be deleted or moved back to draft space. Instead, you may wish to use the Articles for Creation process, to ensure your draft meets Wikipedia's criteria before it is moved to articlespace. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 06:38, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

missing section edit links

Why doesn't Agriculturist have edit links? --Espoo (talk) 09:56, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

@Espoo: I have removed __NOEDITSECTION__.[2] It's not for articles, usually added by a VisualEditor user who clicks a button without understanding it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:03, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I looked for something like that, but not at the end. --Espoo (talk) 10:16, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Translation of a French Wikipedia article

In my sandbox I tried to translate an article about the French mathematician Maurice Clerc

Please, could you tell me if I can submit it, or if I have to do some modifications, and in that case which ones?

Thank you in advance for your help,

--JulieFr (talk) 10:29, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

You need to provide attribution if it has been translated from the French article, see Help:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:40, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Maybe

Love 😃 Sorry 🤣😃 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.116.69.39 (talk) 16:44, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

No heed to apologize, the help desk can use all the love it can get. 2603:6081:1C00:1187:1E8:92A1:1E50:D2B (talk) 18:37, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

How to request specific bots to go to perform specific tasks on a given page?

Hello. I would like to know ow to request specific bots to go to parform tasks on a specific page. For example, if I would like User:AnomieBOT to perfom its OrphanReferenceFixer task on an article I choose. Veverve (talk) 18:00, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Per user talk:AnomieBOT/Archive 11#Manually invoke orphaned ref rescue, there's no way of doing this for AnomieBOT. A few other bots have some way of manually requesting they run on a specific page, but not this one. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:39, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

@Pppery: thanks for your answer. Is there another way I could make a bot perform a OrphanReferenceFixer task, or am I bound to wait until AnomieBOT stumbles upon the article I need to be fixed? Veverve (talk) 18:59, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Not aware of any such tool (but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:02, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

@Pppery: Fixed the link you kindly provided. GoingBatty (talk) 19:17, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

How do you correct an incorrect heading?

How do I correct an incorrect heading?

St Catherine in Bath and N.E. Somerset and South Gloucestershire. St Catherine is not JUST in Somerset, which changed name in 1996 anyway to B&NES, short for Bath and N.E. Somerset. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Betsy.Trot (talk • contribs) 23:34, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

@Betsy.Trot: Hi there! I'm guessing that you would like to change the name of the article St Catherine, Somerset. I suggest you start a discussion on the article's talk page - Talk:St Catherine, Somerset - so editors can come to consensus before anyone moves the article. Note that St. Catherine is a disambiguation page, so there's a need for the article name to be more specific than that. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:18, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

@Betsy.Trot: The village St Catherine, Somerset is apparently partly in Bath and North East Somerset in the county Somerset (which still exists), and partly in South Gloucestershire in the county Gloucestershire. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Disambiguation says:

• Ambiguous place names within the United Kingdom should generally use the county as the disambiguator; see Wells, Somerset (not Wells, England, which is a redirect).

If we name both parts in the article title then it would be "St Catherine, Somerset and Gloucestershire". It's better than the unwieldy "St Catherine, Bath and North East Somerset and South Gloucestershire" which is very long and confusing about how to parse the two "and" which have different meanings. But I have never seen an article naming two separate places in the title. Does the village have a "primary" part in one of the counties? The guideline only says "should generally use the county". If it causes an issue like here then it doesn't have to be followed. Both counties are in the region South West England so we could say "St Catherine, South West England". It's the only place in the disambiguation page St. Catherine which is just called St. Catherine and is in South West England so it works as disambiguation. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:39, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

A lot easier just to use St Catherine, Somerset and the few houses that are over the county border can just be explained in the article. MilborneOne (talk) 11:46, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

And I'd assume that Somerset is the ceremonial county anyway Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:50, 2 January 2022 (UTC)