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January 12

Question about an image upload

Hi,

I hope you're doing well. I have been working on an article on Vladimir Torchilin and wanted to upload an image of him. I did a search through wiki commons and also google to see if there were any images of him that fit within the guidelines set by Wikipedia, but was unable to find any. If i reach out to him directly and he agrees to provide an image of himself for Wikipedia - how would i go about using that image in the article? Also, is there a formal process of being granted permission to use it? Thank you. --RealPharmer3 (talk) 02:41, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

@RealPharmer3: The very easiest method would be for him to take a selfie so that he is the photographer and is unquestionably the owner of the copyright. He can then (with your help) create an account and upload the image to Wikimedia Commons, asserting that he created the image himself and is licensing it CC-BY-SA. He should add a sentence clearly asserting this: "I am both the subject and the photographer. I contributed this self-made image at the request of another editor." because we get too many images with a questionable assertion of "own work" without any explanation. There are other approaches, but they are more cumbersome. -Arch dude (talk) 03:56, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Actually, what is the easiest method depends on the situation. Asking the subject to take a selfie and create an account may sound easy for us, but may be perceived as an imposition by the subject. (Besides, why would someone notable enough to warrant inclusion in an encyclopedia want a selfie to appear there instead of a professional picture?) It may be easier for them to allow us to use a picture they already published, which can be done in several ways. E.g. you could use this email message template for release of rights to a file. (And it would probably give us a better picture.) ◅ Sebastian 11:04, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both! Super helpful, I will contact him with the template @SebastianHelm:. Thank you @Arch dude: for your help as well! --RealPharmer3 (talk) 14:42, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

RealPharmer3 Just to comment that for an academic like Torchilin it would be easier to ask him to get one of his students to take the photo and upload it. The email template is intended for situations where, for example, his university has an official photo that they can release. Torchilin can't approve the use of an image that happens to depict him, only those where he personally own the copyright. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:12, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't know where Mike gets the information from that the template is only intended for the kind of situations he describes. Last time I used it, it was for a different situation, and it worked. There is some wording on it that discourages its use, but that is directed only to the copyright holder, whom it directs to the Interactive Release Generator. (This is different from Mike's and Arch dude's recommendation to have the file uploaded by the copyright holder, where they have to answer a similar sequence of interactive questions, but it presumably asks the same questions.) For normal editors like us, who are soliciting a picture from a notable person, it recommends no other option than the template; I don't see any note there limiting it to any “situations”. For me, it doesn't seem “easier” to ask them for a selfie or a picture taken by a student and then have them go through either the Interactive Release Generator or its upload counterpart, but ultimately that's the OP's decision. ◅ Sebastian 21:25, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, Sebastian is correct and the template works fine for copyright holders. My caution is that although Google images has lots of photos of Torchilin, Torchilin himself can't authorise their copying to Commons unless he is the copyright holder. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:19, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, Mike, I agree with that. So our difference boils down to our interpretation of RealPharmer3's words “I did a search through [...] google to see if there were any images of him that fit within the guidelines set by Wikipedia” differently: I understood that to include the copyright condition, while you apparently didn't. ◅ Sebastian 10:30, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

List of high schools in Alto Paraná, Paraguay

If "List of high schools in Alto Paraná, Paraguay" was split from List of high schools in Paraguay, should it not be exempt from deletion? Please {{ping}} me when you respond. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:09, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Not the answer to your question, but the schools listed @ Lists of high schools in Paraguay & List of universities in Paraguay should be translated to English. --Karsonkevin2 (talk) 14:28, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Which policy do you believe gives such an exemption? The first paragraph of WP:Splitting, in discussing the possibility of splitting, does say "... (but only if the new articles are themselves sufficiently notable to be included in the encyclopedia)". --David Biddulph (talk) 14:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

• Reply - "Please {{ping}} me when you respond". Template {{splitfrom}}. --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

If you are talking about the part where it says "NOTE: please specify |from=pagename when using this template was split to another page; NOTE: please specify |to=pagename when using this template ... . The former page's [{{fullurl:{{{from}}}|action=history}} history] now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted so long as the latter page exists.", that is saying that if List of high schools in Paraguay was being used to provide attribution for the content of List of high schools in Alto Paraná, Paraguay, the former should not be deleted while the latter exists. It doesn't say that the latter can't be deleted when it doesn't meet Wikipedia's criteria for existence. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Template redirect deletions

Hi everyone, I created a number of Templates in the past, some of which were created with capitalisation errors. I was able to move them to their correct locations but that left behind a number of redirects on template space. In all, these templates will be transcluded on no more than 3 pages. As such, these redirects aren't going to be used and should be deleted. But the question is where do I make the request? Templates for discussion or Redirects for discussion? Or can I use Speedy deletion criteria G7? Thanks. ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 18:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

If the G7 criterion applies (note that redirects created as a result of a page move, the mover must also have been the only substantive contributor to the pages before the move), then it can be used. Otherwise they go to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:56, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

preventing editing of a wikipedia page

Hello

I am the original editor of may father's Wikipedia page 'Admiral Adekunle Shamusideen Lawal' and it keeps being edited by someone without permission.

How do I set a password on the page to prevent this page from being continuously edited outside of the family?

Regards

Adewale

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Adewale70 (talk • contribs) 18:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

@Adewale70: You can't. Wikipedia articles are open to editing by anyone. See WP:OWN. If there is ongoing vandalism, you can request temporary protection at WP:RFPP RudolfRed (talk) 18:33, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

@Adewale70: Hello Adewale! Unfortunately that is not something that is possible, or at least, not for the reasons you have stated. Everyone can edit any Wikipedia page, even one's on actual people, whether they are related to the subject or not. SInce you have stated they are your father I suggest taking a look at WP:COI. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

You can't do that; indeed, as a family member of the person involved, you should really be making edit requests on the talk page, rather than editing it yourself (see WP:COI for more discussion of this). Nobody needs particular permission to edit articles here, provided they follow the relevant policies. There is more discussion of this at WP:OWN. Girth Summit _(blether) 18:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Adewale70, given that Wikipedia is a shared endeavour and you can't have exclusive access to the page, could you tell us what changes by others are troubling you, and why? (Note that we have a certain style here, for example we don't repeat honorifics like Admiral or Reverend after the first mention MOS:SURNAME.) ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 07:41, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

looking for info on the 1893 The Youth's Encyclopaedia C.B Beach

Hello, we are stuck finding out about an old EncycloPAEdia(ae are connected which means archaic text?) We are un able to find out any information on it. We have made phone calls to Brittanica, Libraries, etc. and keep coming up short. The Encyclopaedia has to do with Educators and Seminaries and was written or edited by Chandler Belden Beach (1839–1928) who was an American entrepreneur and encyclopedist. He founded the publishing company C. B. Beach & Company. That is basically the only information we could find on the Encyclopaedia. PLEASE HELP EEpittiemama (talk) 19:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

There seems to be a Youth's Cyclopedia and a Student's Cyclopaedia, as mentioned in the article on Chandler Beach. Could that be what you're looking for? —Wasell^(T) 20:07, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

@EEpittiemama: Hi there! This help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. If you need further help about this book, I suggest you try the Wikipedia:Reference desk. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:47, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Should I cite or link

Hello,

I am working on a list of archives for the state of West Virginia. I was wondering if I should be linking the websites or citing them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:List_of_West_Virginia_Archives

Thanks for the help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ars0003 (talk • contribs) 20:46, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ars0003: Hi there! I think you would first decide if your list meets Wikipedia's notability requirements for stand-alone lists. If so, you would then determine the proper list criteria. One common criteria is that each item in the list would have its own Wikipedia article, which would mean you would add a wikilink to the Wikipedia article and not adding an external link to the websites. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:54, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Ars0003. In my opinion, the answer is Neither, because that is not a suitable topic for a Wikipedia article. If there has been substantial independent material published about any of the archives, then there could be an article about that archive, and it might appear in a list like this one - the link to the archive would appear as a permitted external link in the article, not in the list. Unless there are articles about them, they should not appear in a list like this. See WP:NOTDIRECTORY. --ColinFine (talk) 20:55, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Ars0003, sidestepping the issue of Wikipedia notability, Wikidata does hold info on GLAM (gallery, library, archive and museum) institutions. ADBC Museum, Education & Research Center (Q97393714) already exists; I haven't checked the others. I'm not very familiar with making WD lists; what's your use case? ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 07:59, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

How do I opt out of WP banner ads?

These used to be an occasional annoyance, but in the past couple months they're become constant, and pop up again after I've closed them. I've closed the latest ad for the WP wish list dozens of times, and it keeps coming back, even though I have all banners turned off. How do I opt out of what is essentially WP junk mail? Thanks — kwami (talk) 20:57, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami did you turn the banners of in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-centralnotice-banners? Vexations (talk) 22:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

I believe I did. All are unchecked at that link, but I'm still getting banners.

It would also be nice if I could do this globally. (So far I've just done WP-en and Wk-en.) — kwami (talk) 22:43, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Still opted out, still getting the same banner over and over. — kwami (talk) 06:21, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

I haven't tested with this particular banner, kwami, but do you have cookies disabled or blocked or set to delete on browser-close? ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 19:02, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Only cross-site cookies. I just noticed 'block all central notices', so I selected that. — kwami (talk) 20:44, 13 January 2022 (UTC)