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January 17

Article for deletion

I'm new to wikipedia, and I wanted to know if this article should be deleted, and if so, how can I propose it for deletion: TidalCycles, in my opinion the article reads like an obvious advertisement, its been mostly written by kindohm (a member of the tidalcycles community) and Yaxu (its author). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uwsi (talk • contribs) 01:28, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

@Uwsi, welcome to Wikipedia! Not at all my subject, but at least one of the sources, CDM Create Digital Music, seems like a WP:BLOG. I have seen worse articles, but that doesn't mean this is a good one.

If you want to start a deletion discussion, my advice is this: First do WP:BEFORE. Still want to go ahead? Then enable WP:TWINKLE, and start the afd with that, it's so much easier than doing it "by hand." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:26, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Request Help for proper way to reference Entry through Gale.

I'm using Gale through the Wikipedia Library and have found a biographical entry that I would like to reference, but I can't figure out how to. I'm pretty sure the URL isn't stable (someone else doing a search will probably get a different one, and I *think* it would be better as cite book or cite journal, but I can't tell. If someone has a better place to ask, please let me go.

https://go-gale-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/ps/retrieve.do?tabID=Biographies&resultListType=RESULT_LIST&searchResultsType=MultiTab&hitCount=1&searchType=AdvancedSearchForm&currentPosition=1&docId=GALE%7CK1645532244&docType=Brief+biography&sort=Relevance&contentSegment=ZXAM-MOD1&prodId=BIC&pageNum=1&contentSet=GALE%7CK1645532244&searchId=R2&userGroupName=wikipedia&inPS=true

Ideas?Naraht (talk) 02:42, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

The URL sends me to an Esther B. Jones. I can maybe help if that's the correct one. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 16:53, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Skarmory That is the correct one.Naraht (talk) 22:17, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

@Naraht: <ref>{{Cite book|url=https://link.gale.com/apps/doc/K1645532244/BIC?u=wikipedia&sid=bookmark-BIC&xid=eb617438|title=Who's Who Among African Americans|publisher=[[Gale (publisher)|Gale]]|year=2003|chapter=Esther B. Jones|access-date=January 18, 2022}}</ref>

That should work. Took a while, but works as a cite book. Should display as

"Esther B. Jones". Who's Who Among African Americans. Gale. 2003. Retrieved January 18, 2022.

Hope that helped! Skarmory (talk • contribs) 13:07, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Skarmory Thank you very much. I think the sid= can be dropped, but if wikipedia is dropped it asks for a user first. I'm going to use it now. :)Naraht (talk) 14:58, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

There's a copy link button in the top right I believe which is where I got that from. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 15:33, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Steamcenter

HELLO EVERYONE

THANKS

I AM UNBLOCKED

it was a shock for me too see i am blocked.

I use twitter and facebook as social #media where blocking etc. Is quick

But i saw wikipedia as a knowledge cobtribution thing not a place for blocking someone

Later was told i was never blocked on English. Some other language. Really hope Wikipedia can sonehow eliminate that.

I am interrupting developing my new article on floral tea still in draft form for a few days .

I love wikipedia. It is best available source of information but perhaps it can be improved. For that just launched a page on facebook called

Wikipedia users groyp Steamcenter (talk) 09:17, 18 January 2022 (UTC)steamcenter.blogspot

Left in that typo for groyp for a reason explained there.

One immediate imprv. Is possible. Editing a page on

Kalu Singh Mahara noticed that info was great but English poor. Looks like a poor translation job. Did some to fix it. Perhaps there might be a way to check that. By sending it to drafts with a heading. This page needs language improvement. Otherwise students from my hometown uttarakhand copy it for school essay — Preceding unsigned comment added by talk:Steamcenter#top|talk]] • contribs) 09:11, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

FYI

 – Added section header and moved to bottom of page. GoingBatty (talk) 04:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi there i am a retired professor with a Phd and got onto wikipedia enthuiastically. I have been on it off and on many years ago and recall some of processes only. But it was great going until suddenly i find i am blocked for a month.

The reason could be a political one. Please can some one help.

This is just a hunch but i had made a change to one Hindutva activist listed as a notable in malhotra suname caste by name of Rajiv Malhotra . He rechanged it perhaps for political reasons using a group of similar minded persons maybe. If this be the case it is unjust and unfair. Wikipedia will then go down the road as others including twitter. google. Facebook etc being investigate for unfair practices in many countries

However, whatever be the cause please tell me the reason or do not say you are blocked because there are multiple blocks against you. Just say get out. We are in here to peagad and 1984 the world abd then i shall continue my social work in gray years elsewhere or perhaps committ suicide if life becomes impossible.

Please help!

If anyone is listening.

Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steamcenter (talk • contribs) 04:54, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Steamcenter

I have used the nane steamcenter for over a decade on the internet on various forums. My real name is Ashok — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoingBatty (talk • contribs) 04:57, 17 January 2022 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Steamcenter (talk • contribs) 04:57, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

@Steamcenter: Looking at the Block log, I don't see that the "Steamcenter" user has ever been blocked on the English Wikipedia. Could you please clarify? (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 05:03, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Maybe Steamcenter attempted to edit while logged-out from an IP address that was blocked due to the actions of others. (IP addresses are usually rotated between clients of the same internet service provider.)

While you are not, and never have been, blocked, I notice that some of your edits are not very good. That is OK, we all make mistakes when we start, and nobody really told you about them so you could not have corrected course.

For instance, this edit has multiple problems. First, the justification for trimming the list is based on online search hits, usually not a good justification on Wikipedia; here, I would think that the list selection criterion "everyone who has a Wikipedia page" (one of those listed at WP:CSC) applies here. Second, while trimming, you broke the link pointing to Ashok Malhotra (professor) (and misspelled the name).

Additionally, based on what you disclosed here, I suppose that you are Ashok Malhotra (the professor born in 1950). In that case, you are strongly encouraged not to edit pages about yourself. I note that you edited Ashok Malhotra (professor) but for minor corrections that do not add substantive content; those are fine. On the other hand, the edit I commented previously is more disputable: maybe you applied a fair criterion for trimming the list and it turns out that you are over the threshold, but maybe you chose a criterion that allows you to be kept. The point is that it is impossible to tell from the outside, and even if you think you are doing things fairly, you might be subconsciously biased in your actions. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:44, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Delete my Accounts

Due to bullying and not hearing me out, I ask that my account GADGET0000 be deleted from this site as this site will not let me create a page. I am not self promoting myself as I have no one who can make a page for me and my works in the Entertainment industry;and my books as an Author. I will be talking about this on my social media pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GADGET0000 (talk • contribs) 05:18, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

@GADGET0000: Accounts cannot be deleted, as edits must be attributed to an account. If you wish to stop using Wikipedia, just stop using your account. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @GADGET0000: Hi there, and sorry you didn't have a good experience on Wikipedia. Per Wikipedia:Username_policy#Deleting_and_merging_accounts, "It is not possible to delete user accounts, as all contributions must be assigned to some identifier; either a username or an IP address." Please note that the encyclopedia articles on Wikipedia must be based on "multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject", per Wikipedia:Notability (people). GoingBatty (talk) 05:26, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

copyright permission

How do i submit evidence regarding a copyright issue?

--Timone13 (talk) 11:26, 17 January 2022 (UTC)1/17/2022

You will find useful links at User talk:Timone13#Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Ade Bajomo. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:56, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Why was the page CHIDI CADET NWANYANWU DELETED?

Why was the page CHIDI CADET NWANYANWU DELETED? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chidinlub (talk • contribs) 11:47, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

There has never been a page with that title (even without all the unnecessary capitals). Your draft User:Chidinlub/Chidi Nwanyanwu is still there, but the history shows very little content, and certainly not any reliable sources to demonstrate the notability of the subject. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:55, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

There used to be Chidi Nwanyanwu which was moved to draftspace and later on deleted as an abandoned draft. Exact reasons can be found on the user talk page. – NJD-DE (talk) 11:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

MLK’s Dream speech

I was going to make an edit on the I have a dream speech page but it is protected. If you scroll to the bottom it ends in a note with who possesses the original transcript. There is an update from this past August at the following link if somebody does have access to make the edit and notate the source. https://www1.villanova.edu/villanova/president/speeches/message-08272021.html 2601:189:4300:72F0:7941:A46B:5E7C:5490 (talk) 15:38, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Stevie

Good catch and thanks for pointing it out, I added it. You could have asked at Talk:I Have a Dream, but OTOH that page hasn't been edited since 2019. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:57, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Where should I put a draft article - in the sandbox?

Hi! I am brand new to Wikipedia and wanted to do a draft article in the sandbox. I think this may be the wrong place for a draft article. How do I move it to the correct location? Also, how long does a draft article stay in the sandbox? Thank you! Leanne LeoKirk (talk) 20:14, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, LeoKirk, and welcome to Wikipedia. The common sandbox Sandbox is not a good place to start an article, because it gets cleared regularly. Your own sandbox User:LeoKirk/Sandbox is a good place to start one - if you are on a browser, there will be a link at the top of the screen to your sandbox. Another place (and in my view a preferable one) is in draft space, such as Draft:My article name (these link are red because they don't currently exist). There is no limit on how long a draft may remain in your sandbox or draft space, but if a draft is not edited for six months it may get deleted. your first article has a lot of useful information about creating an article.

However, I would caution: creating an article from scratch is much more difficult than it looks, and editors who try it before they have spent time learning how Wikipedia works often have a frustrating and disappointing time. I would advise you to put this idea aside for a few months while you learn how things work by making improvements to some of our existing six million articles (many of which badly need it!). If you have further questions, you are welcome to come here, but the WP:Teahouse is another similar place which is specifically intended to be a friendly place for new editors to ask questions. --ColinFine (talk) 17:56, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Colin! I hope this gets to you because I did not know how to reply. Thank you very much for your help! Leanne LeoKirk (talk) 20:14, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict):@LeoKirk: Hi there! Creating a draft at User:LeoKirk/sandbox is perfectly fine. You may move it to Draft:Ruth Eiko Oda by going to the top right of the sandbox and clicking "More" > "Move", entering the new name, and clicking the "Move page" button. When you're ready to submit it for review, you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top. Drafts in your sandbox could stay forever, while drafts starting with "Draft:" are deleted after 6 months of inactivity. Before submitting your draft, I suggest you change each reference from "Clipped From Hawaii Tribune-Herald" to the actual newspaper article title. Also, articles should not have external links, except as references and the "External links" section, so you can convert them or remove them. To notify another editor about your reply, you can use the {{ping}} template, as I've done on this reply to you. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:02, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

@LeoKirk: Oops! You've already created Draft:Ruth Eiko Oda, but User:LeoKirk/sandbox has a lot more information. You can copy the text from your sandbox to your draft, continue updating it, and then click the "Submit draft for review!" button when you're ready. GoingBatty (talk) 18:04, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, GoingBatty! I wasn't sure how to use the ping template, so I am typing this in. I hope you receive it. Thank you very much for all of your answers! They are a huge help to me! How do I see where my draft is? How were you able to see what I have created? I am having trouble finding my draft. Thank you! LeoKirk (talk) 20:14, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

@LeoKirk: I use the {{ping}} template by typing {{ping|LeoKirk}} at the beginning of this line - see Template:Ping for more info. I see what you have created by going to Special:Contributions/LeoKirk. Your draft is at User:LeoKirk/sandbox, and it appears you started Draft:Ruth Eiko Oda as well. GoingBatty (talk) 20:00, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thank you very much, GoingBatty!  You have been very helpful!LeoKirk (talk) 20:14, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

how to add an article about a person

I simply wish to know how to submit an article into Wikipedia about a person who isn't included in the Wikipedia, yet. It seems that there are instructions available about how to edit an existing article, but I'm unclear about how to submit an altogether new article. What is the format it is to be written in? How is it to be submitted, and how is it decided whether to include it on the site? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uncle Bumps (talk • contribs) 18:14, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Try reading the guidance at WP:Your first article, but ensure that you understand Wikipedia's definition of notability, and particularly WP:NBIO. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:20, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Uncle Bumps Successfully creating a new article is the hardest thing to do on Wikipedia. It is usually recommended that you first gain experience by editing existing articles, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. Using the new user tutorial helps too.

If you still want to create a new article now, please read Your First Article and then go to Articles for creation to create and submit a draft(new users cannot create new articles directly). You should also review the notability guidelines for people. 331dot (talk) 18:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Synching Reading List across various devices

I have created a profile and pressed the synching button on the mobile app. It appears to confirm that it synched. I open Wikipedia on another mobile device, I sign in and synch, but no folders are displayed in the Reading List. Does anyone have this issue as well? What can be done? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikrod23 (talk • contribs) 18:53, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Mikrod23. According to MW:Wikimedia Apps/Synced Reading Lists, These articles are saved in a flat list (no folders or user metadata), and stored only locally to the device. --ColinFine (talk) 22:38, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Which base map was used for several IE culture maps by Krakkos?

On the file pages, it doesn't say where the map base image itself was sourced, so I'm thinking it's somewhere on wikicommons but I haven't been able to locate it yet. Examples:

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Corded_Ware_culture.jpg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Andronovo_culture.jpg

98.14.187.118 (talk) 19:00, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

How to create my own page

Do you know how to create my own page? 2601:18C:8B81:B4B0:748D:5881:39E7:8416 (talk) 20:51, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

You're going to want to read Help:Your first article very carefully; articles should be of encyclopedic value and not promotional/slanderous/what have you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:57, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

William Redd

I was reading the information about Mr. William "Si" Redd. You have him attending East Mississippi Junior College. The correct college is East Central Junior College, located in Decatur Mississippi. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.231.160.236 (talk) 20:57, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

You can suggest improvements to an article on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 21:22, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! The LA Times reference states "While attending East Mississippi Junior College in Decatur..." It's possible that the LA Times made a mistake, but you'll need a reliable source when you post on Talk:William Redd. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:43, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Given that East Mississippi Junior (now Community) College is in Scooba, Mississippi, and that (as the OP says) East Central Junior (aka Community) College is in Decatur, Mississipi, it does appear that the LA Times has concatenated the two. Which of them William Redd attended evidently needs a different source. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.195.175.103 (talk) 00:32, 18 January 2022 (UTC)