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July 5

Hans_Ernback

Greetings. The wikipage for the Swedish actor Hans Ernback shows a photo of Robert Redford, rather than the actor in question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Ernback

Thank you. 2A02:C7F:784F:F100:90BB:2356:908F:D671 (talk) 02:14, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out, IP editor. That file was uploaded under the provisions of WP:NONFREE by Gpkp, who may like to comment. I must say it does look like Redford and not similar to other images from a Google image search of Ernback. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:02, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

User:Gpkp's user page is tagged as "Retired", and when investigating the image earlier I found the source URL no longer valid, and thought the supposed host website an unlikely (though not impossible) source for a photo of an actor. To be on the safe side, the photo should probably be replaced by one definitively of Ernback. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.195.174.88 (talk) 23:54, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Gpkp has declared himself retired on 28 May 2022. There are hundreds of (mostly uncropped) copies of the photo on the internet, mostly saying redford, if anything. There is also this stock image, which appears to be from same session, is labeled Redford, and I'd say looks more typically Redford. - R. S. Shaw (talk) 00:01, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

I have removed the photo from the article. A bot should now delete the non-free image within a week, since it is no longer associated with any article. Once it is gone, a photo that is more clearly Ernback can be added. Mike Turnbull (talk) 08:35, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Assistance with U.S. Navy admirals wikitable (code)

This wikitable for U.S. Navy admirals suffers from an extremely narrow "Notes" column. Despite practically copying the code I use in similar tables, I can't get the Notes column to be of a similar size as them. Using nowrap on the Notes column only makes it go past the page space. I'm unsure if the use of nowrap is causing problems, and which specific ones should be removed to fix the problem, if any to look like the other wikitables I've linked. I would appreciate if someone could communicate to me what the problem is here. SuperWIKI (talk) 02:33, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@SuperWIKI: The problem is with the ridiculously long organisation names in the "position" column, such as COMSIXTHFLT/COMSTRIKFORNATO/DCOMUSNAVEUR/DCOMUSNAVAF/JFMCC. Browsers treat them as single, unbroken words. The use of slashes contravenes MOS:SLASH as its not clear what the slashes signify. Replacing each one with a comma followed by a space (or something similar which includes a space) will allow the browser to do it's work. The explicit "width" setting on the notes column header can be removed. Note also that specifying dates such as (1953–        ) contravenes MOS:DATERANGE; and it's not clear what such date ranges signify. Bazza (talk) 08:52, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

You could remove {{nowrap}} from "Date of rank" and "Michael A. Lefever" to allow some columns to be more narrow. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Yuan Bingyan

I need help, the profile of actress Yuan Bingyan has been hacked with malicious comments the last one that refers to June 13, should be deleted ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR (talk) 02:57, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I've protected the page, this should be discussed at Talk:Yuan Bingyan. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:26, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

In the biography of Yuan Bingyan, a malicious paragraph has been inserted that aims to damage the good image of the actress and this paragraph brings references, malicious marketing articles, and comments from haters who want to ruin the career of the actress. This information is not endorsed by any competent entity in China, which may cause a legal claim, for damage to the good image of a public figure. It is required to delete this paragraph and references 1 and 2 of Yuan Bingyan's biography. Vandals are hacking her life all the time. ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR (talk) 19:16, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR: I strongly suggest you retract what you just wrote. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 19:30, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I believe that Wikipedia cannot allow this kind of malicious comments about a person's good image. ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR (talk) 19:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR: I strongly suggest you lay off the legal threats (as you've been warned on your user talk page) or else you will almost be guaranteed a block. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:31, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't make legal threats. I believe that Wikipedia cannot allow this kind of malicious comments about a person's good image. ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR (talk) 19:45, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I am not making legal threats, I am only indicating that this is a slander, because there is no evidence of a controlling entity to support these comments. They are required to delete that paragraph. ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR (talk) 19:46, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

A distinction without a difference, as you're essentially threatening legal action by proxy in an effort to dictate content. We have no tolerance for that, full stop, because all it does is stop any discussion on the merits of the claim entirely. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 23:42, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• Note: OP has been blocked. Eagleash (talk) 20:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

What is the correct spelling of a name?

I had created the article Cătălin Tecuceanu as it is written in its original language. The article has been moved with the justification that it must be written as is in the language of the new citizenship. How are things? --Kasper2006 (talk) 05:14, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Kasper2006 It should be written in the same way as most English-language sources write it, per WP:COMMONNAME. Absent English langauge sources, it should be as whichever sources you are using write it. 331dot (talk) 08:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

This from Worldathletics is the most reliable source. Can you please do the redirect reverse yourself? --Kasper2006 (talk) 11:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, as not mentioned, I had not seen that they had already done so. Thanks anyway. Kasper2006 (talk) 11:33, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Collateral damage

Civil Engineer 3 removed all significant contents carelessly in Ethiopia. Can you revert it to last revision please. Regarding The Supermind (talk) 06:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done. I see that Civil Engineer 3 had removed about a sixth of the content of the article, most of it with the edit summary "parse, grammar". I've reverted to the state before these deletions. More recent additions by The Supermind have thereby also been lost, but as they've asked for the revert I guess they can handle that. Maproom (talk) 07:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

article non legible again....very bad revert of edits by a copy editor here for 15 years who spend their time fixing copy edit tags... O well :-( Moxy- 13:10, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Farnborough Hall for Mr. Getty

Hello. I'm working on a project with the Getty Foundation and me and Gordon are gonna open an institute at my family's house. Can someone make sure that I changed the page appropriately. Its Farnborough_Hall. Its like JUST now public information. So who do I cite, myself? Kalorama20008 (talk) 08:12, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Kalorama20008 Since you are associated with the project, you should read about conflict of interest. If you are compensated in any way(doesn't have to be money) for your work, the Terms of Use require you to make a formal paid editing disclosure.

With a conflict of interest, you should avoid directly making edits related to it, instead you may make formal edit requests(click for instructions) on the article talk page(Talk:Farnborough Hall) detailing changes you feel are needed. In terms of your question, you cannot cite yourself as there is no way to verify your claims. You need to cite a reliable source that can be verified, preferably an independent source. 331dot (talk) 08:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh. No problem. Can you help me. This is all a surprise for Mr. Getty to look at tomorrow. I didnt want to make too many permanent changes because he may hate the idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalorama20008 (talk • contribs) 08:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Kalorama20008 Whoever he is, Mr. Getty's feelings are not relevant to Wikipedia activities, and Wikipedia is not concerned with any surprises you wish to spring or any other form of deadline you have for yourself. I don't mean to sound cruel, but I must be honest. We are only interested in summarizing independent reliable sources. If you propose edits as I described, this does not make a permanent change, although there is no timeframe for your requests to be reviewed. 331dot (talk) 08:52, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Well, first of all, my husband and I own Farnborough Hall…so wikipedia is publishing information on property that belongs to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalorama20008 (talk • contribs) 09:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Kalorama20008 Again, I don't mean to sound cruel- but you have no special rights to the article about your property because you are the propertly owner. This is just as Donald Trump or Boris Johnson don't have any special rights to the articles about them even though they say things both men probably wish the articles didn't say. See WP:OWN for more information. We are, however, interested in your input just as we are from any other editor, as long as you provide it indirectly as I have described(as an edit request). 331dot (talk) 09:11, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Kalorama20008, you have claimed above that you and your husband own Farnborough Hall. According to the National Trust, they own it. In your edits, you changed its name to "Getty College at Farnborough Hall". The website of Oxford University lists no such college. I suspect that your edits are all a hoax. Maproom (talk) 10:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes. Totally made up. Like this, here, Research Institute. https://www.getty.edu/research/institute/. Except some people don't want to be in California. That's why we picked my house. Also, please cite to documentation proving the National Trust owns Farnborough. I've been looking for it for 12 years. They dont. I have the will of Marjorie Holbech. How do I upload that? Kalorama20008 (talk) 10:57, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Um, Maproom clearly linked to the website of the National Trust showing that it is theirs. If it's not, you will need to address that with them, not us. 331dot (talk) 11:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Actually, I can't see anywhere on that page which states that NT owns the land. I don't know if the Trust owns all of the land in the public parts of sites it maintains. The page I link to below says Only freehold acquisitions are currently shown, but the National Trust also leases some land, holds restrictive covenants over some land (this imposes a restriction on the use of land, so that the value and enjoyment of neighbouring land will be preserved), and holds rights over some land.

But you can find Farnborough Hall on https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/features/follow-the-history-of-our-places-with-land-map, where it says The house and surrounding grounds were transferred to the Trust in 1960 through National Land Fund procedures ColinFine (talk) 14:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• OP blocked for a legal threat. 331dot (talk) 14:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't think that was technically a legal threat. But it did provide ample evidence that further conversation with the OP won't be fruitful. Maproom (talk) 19:06, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Respectfully, saying they are a government officer who will have me investigated in a federal facility and have me fingerprinted sounds like a legal threat to me. It certainly sounded like hogwash to me(maybe related to their earlier post on my talk), but it's still a threat. 331dot (talk) 20:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Alan Blaikley

I have been trying to change the Date of death of my dear friend Alan Blaikley who passed away last night 4th July 2022. Can you help me with this? Nicotenorino (talk) 10:22, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Nicotenorino As you can probably understand, we cannot just accept your word that he has passed. We need a reliable source that can be verified, such as a news story about his death, or a death announcement/obituary. 331dot (talk) 11:10, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

The mirror has a story at https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/elvis-presley-hit-songwriter-alan-27402515 . I'm not sure on whether the Mirror counts as a reliable source.Naraht (talk) 15:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I think the Mirror would be a "reliable enough in this context" source. Other reliable outlets will probably offer their own tributes in due course. Feline Hymnic (talk) 16:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Alan Blaikley  Done but not by me. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:20, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@Nicotenorino: and sorry for your loss. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:21, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia material

Can I use a "short" Wikipedia article as an introduction to a Public Domain book? JWMarek (talk) 21:47, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@JWMarek Yes you can, as long as you follow the conditions for reuse, see WP:Reusing Wikipedia content for the steps you will need to take. Pay particular attention to images, as a lot of images are used here under claims of fair use which may or may not apply to whatever you use the content for. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 21:50, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@JWMarek: Not exactly, because the book will no longer be "public domain". Wikipedia is not public domain. It is copyrighted and licensed under CC-BY-SA. To use the material, you must comply with this license, which means you must attribute the copied material, AND you must license your "derived work" (i.e., the book) under the CC-BY-SA license. There are multiple ways to get around this if it's an electronic book, e.g. by making each chapter a different file. For a bound book, you can put you PD notice on each chapter except the one copied from Wikipedia. What you cannot do is state that the book as a whole is PD. -Arch dude (talk) 22:47, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Adding a Notable Person

Hi I would like to Add the resident Gil Noble to Montclair New Jersey. He worked for ABC Television for over 40 Years, Anchored the Morning and Evening news, hosted his own talk show which won 6 Emmy awards and won over 300 hundred civic awards. He was a very beloved member of the community. Thank you. Lmnr711 (talk) 23:06, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lmnr711:  Done I had to find a source that he had lived in Montclair. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:18, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. He lived on Stephen Street in Montclair for nearly 50 years. 2603:7000:A306:E510:51DB:6E58:9C48:F230 (talk) 22:33, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Rename all linked pages

Due to a page move, everything linking to Loring Park from other pages should be linked to Loring Park, Minneapolis. How can that easily be fixed? CTF83! 23:23, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Start by correcting the link within the prolifically transcluded Template:Minneapolis_neighborhoods. Then look at what else links to Loring Park. Edit each of these, correcting where appropriate. -- Hoary (talk) 01:52, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Isn't there an easier bot that can do it? CTF83! 02:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

AWB can help. See Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks if you don't want to use or install it yourself. There are 74 source links.[1] That's not enough to get a bot. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:33, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. CTF83! 18:10, 6 July 2022 (UTC)