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August 12

Iginio Massari

It's very strange that en.wiki doesn't have a page dedicated to the best Italian pastry chef, Iginio Massari. JackkBrown (talk) 01:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

(1) Many things in Wikipedia are very strange. (2) If Massari is notable, you can create a draft about him. 126.248.156.208 (talk) 06:26, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

There is an article about Massari on Italian Wikipedia (Iginio Massari), and also a fair amount of information on Wikidata (d:Q21208744). As a Commander of the Order of Merit of the Italian Republic, I would think the notability threshold shouldn't be an issue. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 12:23, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: The article does not exist because you have not yet added it. No other editor has any more or less obligation to create this article than you do. -Arch dude (talk) 16:02, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

PSILOCYBIN

i WOULD LIKE INFORMATION ABOUT PSILOCYBIN 2600:1700:3901:FFA0:CC62:DB35:8974:A9C3 (talk) 16:03, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Our article on the subject is psilocybin. If you have a specific question about the topic you can ask at the reference desk and a volunteer will try to assist. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 16:04, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

We don't do medical questions at the reference desk due to WP:NOMEDICAL. casualdejekyll 14:08, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Admin capabilities

Just curious, but can an admin block their own account? And once they are blocked, can they unblock themself? (Or are they desysopped automatically when they are blocked?) Also, can an admin de-admin themself?  綾かなあ?  (talk) 17:34, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Admins can block themselves but cannot unblock themselves, that was a change made to the software a few years back. The admin userright can only be set by bureaucrats - it isn't automatically removed when an admin is blocked (regardless of who sets the block) and admins cannot grant it to themselves or to anyone. You can read more at Wikipedia:Administrators and Wikipedia:Bureaucrats. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:44, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt reply (and for satisfying my curiosity!)  綾かなあ?  (talk) 17:46, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Admins can unblock themselves if they blocked themselves. The two main sources of this being: i) testing ii) Bad aim. Nosebagbear (talk) 21:27, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Yep. See the block log of Wikipedia admin Materialscientist, who accidentally blocked themselves using Huggle many times over the past few years, but were able to unblock themselves each time. — AP 499D25 (talk) 01:58, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, that was a thoroughly amusing read. Thanks for the example!  綾かなあ?  (talk) 02:00, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

How to view full-sized versions of images with overlays?

I was recently looking at the Andronovo culture article. In its Ethnolinguistic affiliation with Indo-Iranians section, there are two thumbnail images, both being maps of (mostly) Asia. The second one (which is labeled there as "Andronovo culture and main contemporary cultures c. 2000 BC") has some text on it that I wanted to get a better look at, as it's on the edge of readability for me in the thumbnail. So, I clicked on the thumbnail to bring up the full version. Unfortunately, this brought me to the the underlying blank map of Asia, without the text I'm interested in.

I've occasionally run into this same problem in the past, but due to my extreme laziness, I always defaulted to "Ehhhhhhhhhh... I'll figure it out later." But this time, to my own great surprise, I actually tried to figure it out! Looking at the wikitext, I saw that it was not linking (directly) to any image, but instead was using a template, Template:Continental_Asia_in_2000_BCE. The page for that template also shows the map with text as a thumbnail, and that thumbnail also links to the underlying textless map.

I guess I could probably see what I'm interested in by doing something like making a sandbox page that uses the template without making it into a thumbnail, but... is there a quicker, more direct way? Optimally, I would want this whole "This thumbnail is not an image, but an image with external text laid on top of it" thing to be largely irrelevant from the user's point of view (as opposed to from the editor's point of view) - i.e. when I click on what seems to me to be an image, the result would be showing me the same thing that the thumbnail shows me, but bigger.

I should note here that I understand that that's not exactly the same as what happens with a "real" image; clicking on that brings you to the image's page, not the image itself, and there is no "image's page" for these things. But at least to me, that difference is a minor detail that's not really significant for my purposes here.

Thanks in advance. - Rwv37 (talk) 19:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

The problem is that the labels are not part of the image itself. They superposed over it using static coordinates and for a fixed image size. If you scale the image, they will be in wrong places. Ruslik_Zero 20:33, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@Ruslik0, my very brief scan of the involved code leads me to suspect (quite possibly wrongly) that that's just for convenience of the editor, and is automatically translated into latitude and longitude. But even if not, I'm not sure why something along those lines couldn't be done - that is, automatically taking the desired scaling factor (implied by default image pixel size, desired pixel size, and marked pixel location) into account in order to figure out where to put the mark. And in any case, the current situation is... not very user-friendly, so if this behavior cannot be overcome within the current system for reasons I don't understand, maybe the current system is significantly suboptimal by design? -Rwv37 (talk) 21:28, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@Rwv37 It isn't entirely satisfactory but you can use your browser's scaling options to enlarge the image on the page. In Edge/Chrome and most standard browsers the key combination Ctrl+ will enlarge the webpage. At 150% I find the text in the image quite legible: and you could then copy/snip the image out at that size. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:11, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

"Saved List" on the cellphone where to find it on Desktop

I have have an user in Wikipedia for years.

Usually reading from the cellphone, I have a long saved list or bookmark or reading list on the cellphone.

How do I have access to my "Saved List" on the cellphone where to find it on Desktop?

Where is the Bottom of Saving on the computer? Priscilla Pino (talk) 21:47, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@Priscilla Pino: The reading list in the Wikipedia app can only be accessed there. There is a reading list browser extension which can add pages to the list but not use the list. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:37, 12 August 2023 (UTC)