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February 16

Repeated citations of a society's minutes

Hi, I'm happily using strings like the one below which produces <ref name="Cattell2" />{{rp|p.80}} when I am citing different pages of the same book.

[Of course I'm really typing <ref name + ="Cattell" + " />{{rp + |p.80}} concatenated without the pluses and spaces]

I'm trying to find what to substitute for the 'rp|' so that I can enter a date such as 6 Nov 1861 or, if Wikipedia prefers it 6 November 1861. I've spent hours today looking on guidance pages without success so any help would be most gratefully received. Many thanks for your time.Ishpoloni (talk) 02:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

What you are looking for doesn't exist as far as I know. But you can use something like this:

<ref name="bronto">{{cite book |last=Elk |first=Anne |title=[[Anne's Theory on Brontosauruses]] |date=November 16, 1972 |page=5}}</ref>

{{r|bronto|at=1 Januari 1900}}

Which would look like this: https://i.imgur.com/wvaHbTd.png

Polygnotus (talk) 03:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks, I'll try that. Ishpoloni (talk) 09:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks. I had to tweak it a bit but ended up with

and

which works for further repeats Ishpoloni (talk) 11:12, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@Ishpoloni: {{rp}} is actually quite flexible. The paramater is not required to be a number. The documentation says that when it is not a number you should use the "at" parameter instead, so {{re|at=6 Nov 1861}} should yield something like this. -Arch dude (talk) 04:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks. I tried that before I wrote but must have missed out an = or something. I'll try it again. Ishpoloni (talk) 09:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks. It worked perfectly. Ishpoloni (talk) 11:15, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

References

I did an edit but didnt do it right - please help me make it right?

I made an edit on this page

Motorcycle frame#Motorcycle frame measurement

I will be learning to work with/on Wikipedia in the future because it was very empowering to start to help but until then, can someone take a look at this page/section and help me make it right? Thanks 71.105.211.108 (talk) 03:33, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello fellow IP editor. Please don't insert comments like that into an article - you can always use the talk page if you want to suggest improvements, or just leave an explanation in your edit summary. I've removed your comment and added a citation needed maintenance tag instead. 97.113.173.101 (talk) 04:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

That is why I'm here - to get the offending content corrected, as I do not know how to do any of those things, like leave comments in an edit summary. Thank you. 71.105.211.108 (talk) 05:12, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia for a basic guide. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:22, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Recreating deleted category

I want to recreate the category Category:D.I.C.E. Award winners which I feel was unfairly deleted. However, I'm not sure where to host a discussion where is will get attention. I tried the talk page but I doubt it will be fruitful. ThanatosApprentice (talk) 04:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:OCAWARD. What I get from the deletion discussion here and the deletion review is that the awards are not important enough. Chances on survival are slim, sorry. The Banner talk 12:07, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I would still like the chance to reopen this conversation with the proper context. I just want to know where I would do that.--ThanatosApprentice (talk) 01:22, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Armed forces flag transclusion issue

Can somebody in the know fix the formatting of the armed forces flag rendering for the item Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades at Palestinian Joint Operations Room – both in the infobox as well as in the corresponding section "Members"? I'd be very grateful for any assistance. Hildeoc (talk) 07:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@Hildeoc Seems to be an issue with {{Armed forces}}, which is well beyond my paygrade. There is a discussion at Template talk:Armed forces you could contribute to, maybe mentioning it on one of the Military History Project talkpages to get some attention. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for taking interest still. @PrimeHunter, any idea how do fix that maybe? Hildeoc (talk) 21:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

The problem is that File:Logo of PFLP.png is listed as non-free so it's not allowed in the same situations as a normal flag and has been removed from {{Country data Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine}}.[1] I don't speak Arabic and cannot say whether there is something at the official site https://pflp.ps/ or elsewhere which indicates an acceptable license for our flag icons. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:57, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much, once again, for your kind support, PrimeHunter. 🙏

So what would be the best to do in this instance then? Hildeoc (talk) 23:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

You could try Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. It's not my specialty. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:05, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Suggestions for my newly-created article

I recently created an article, Nexfibre - something I believe is of significance to telecommunications in the UK and also meets notability requirements to be on WP.

It was tagged with Peacock - and I’m wondering if anyone could provide some suggestions, advice or a review of the article so I know what needs to be done to amend it.

I’m stuck as to how I can make improvements to it that would justify the removal of the tag. It’s only the 3rd article I’ve created so I’m a beginner when it comes to this.

thanks! Josh (talk) 09:00, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I've removed the tag as it was not clear to me why it was added. Anyone tagging an article like that would be well advised to open a discussion on the talk page, explaining their concerns. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:28, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Design of web pages

Good afternoon! I just want to know one thing: why did the text of web pages change and the font of some headings stop being bold?

Is it just me having this problem, or is it Wikipedia’s design updates? Nature Moon (talk) 12:32, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

It's on all Wikimedia projects, and it looks awful. Left alignment instead of justified? Are they insane? --2800:AC:4010:C67:1:0:28ED:3368 (talk) 13:40, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Left-aligned text can be beneficial for WP:ACCESSIBILITY. Bazza (talk) 14:01, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@Nature Moon: I'm curious as I see no change. Which skin are you using, and on what browser, device and mode (desktop or mobile)? Bazza (talk) 13:58, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Skin: Vector 2022

Browser: Samsung Internet and Google

Device: Samsung Galaxy A32

Mode: mobile (no changes in desktop mode, checked)

Nature Moon (talk) 14:08, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Help desk#Font change further up this page and the link to VPT. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 14:20, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

That relates to the Minerva skin. There have been no changes that I am aware of to Vector 2022 skin so would be great if you could elaborate with some screenshots! Thanks in advance! Jdlrobson (talk) 17:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Huh, I scrutinized Wikipedia:Skins again, so yes, the changes are to the Minerva skin. Thanks for the info! Nature Moon (talk) 11:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Ubl template (stocks)

Greetings

I copied

| traded_as ={{ubl|{{FWB|SIE}}|[[DAX]] component}}

from the Siemens page, and intended to use it for another company.

When I fill in with XOSL|ABL and then OSEBEX, or the abb. for the stock market, the name of the ticker and then the name of the stock market´s index, I get this

Traded as

• Template:XOSL
• OSEBX component

What is going on here, and is there a page where I can look up syntax like ubl?

Yours truly Audun H. Nilsen NilsenAudun (talk) 14:23, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@NilsenAudun You can find documentation on individual templates by searching for "template:templatename" in the standard search box. They can also be linked using the template tl, so {{ubl}} gives a link to the first bit of the rather complicated syntax in the infobox you looked at. All this bit does is provide an UnBulleted List. Within that, there is the {{FWB}} template which is intended to provide an external link to the relevant Frankfurt code (SIE for Siemens). All a bit complicated! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@NilsenAudun: The problem is not {{ubl}} but the rest which are parameters in the call of {{ubl}}. {{FWB|SIE}} is the syntax for a call of Template:FWB with parameter SIE. There is no Template:XOSL so it doesn't work to write anything with {{XOSL}}. Template:FWB redirects to Template:Frankfurt Stock Exchange which is in Category:Ticker symbol templates where Template:EuronextOslo is listed. You can use that. We have no OSEBX article. OSEBX is mentioned in Oslo Stock Exchange but {{EuronextOslo}} already links there so I wouldn't link OSEBX. You can write {{ubl|{{EuronextOslo|ABL}}|OSEBX component}} to produce:

• Oslo Stock Exchange: ABL
• OSEBX component

PrimeHunter (talk) 18:32, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Location map

Using the location map template, is there a way to show more than one location?

At the article 2017 Irish Coast Guard Rescue 116 crash there is a map showing the location of BlackRock Island. I would like to add the locations of Dublin and Sligo as well, as these are the bases where the two helicopters came from. 86.3.219.123 (talk) 15:03, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Go ahead and make the change. You will need to change the current {{Location map}} to {{Location map many}}. -Arch dude (talk) 18:27, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, that did the job. 86.3.219.123 (talk) 08:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

What do you suggest?

Dear, how are you? I've delved into the groundbreaking work of neuroscientist Ricardo Dolmetsch, focusing on his remarkable achievements in neuroscience and gene therapy. Despite his extensive research conducted at Stanford University, surprisingly, there hasn't been an article highlighting his contributions yet. Before proceeding with publication, I'd greatly appreciate your input and any suggestions you might have.

Title: Ricardo Dolmetsch Them: neuroscience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Marcelosca/sandbox

Thanks dude! Marcelosca (talk) 19:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Marcelosca, it looks pretty good to me. A couple of minor things, easily fixed: section headers should be sentence-case, not headline-case; and there's an unwanted double linefeed near the end of the second section. I'd recommend moving it to draft space,so that other editors will be more likely to help improve it. Maproom (talk) 20:40, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

On further consideration – you may need to do a bit more to establish that Dolmetsch is notable, in Wikipedia's idiosyncratic sense. Papers authored or co-authored by Dolmetsch don't help with this, nor do articles based on interviews with him. The reference currently numbered 26 looks good, but of the sources I can access, it's probably the only one to help much with notability. Maproom (talk) 20:58, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Marcelosca, it would help if you could highlight the three best reliable sources which are independent of the subject. Otherwise a reviewer has to work through 29 references, many of which will not be independent. TSventon (talk) 21:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I will look for more sources. Marcelosca (talk) 21:49, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Displaying three location maps in a horizontal line

I know how to display multiple images next to each other to form a horizontal line using the gallery template, but how can I do this with location maps? Maybe I can't. Mikenorton (talk) 21:21, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

May be you know better

Good day to you! I am confident you know better. How properly to deal with Wikipedia unreviewed articles? For users without autopatrolled rights, is it okay continuously to create more articles while others are not reviewed? or I should take some pause and wait the review process? For my case, I have 4 new unreviewed articles in 10 days and 10 articles in last 30 days. Thank you. 6eeWikiUser (talk) 23:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 6eeWikiUser. The most important thing to keep in mind is that quality is much more important than quantity. When I look at your user talk page, I see lots of feedback from other editors about quality problems with your drafts and articles. Submitting well referenced drafts about clearly notable topics is just fine. So, focus on the quality of your drafts. Do you have a financial interest in any of your articles or drafts? Cullen328 (talk) 21:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Cullen328. Thank you so much for feedback and advising on the best way to go, I am going to improve. On Wikipedia, I have fun in creating great articles. My interest is about people, I guess it is why I receive many comments from other editors. However, every comment leaves me differently as I aim to learn and do better. I don’t have financial interest in any of my articles or drafts. Thank you. 6eeWikiUser (talk) 21:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC)