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June 26

Dlaczego w tłumaczonych tekstach pojawiają się słowa pisane cyrylicą ( rosyjski, ukraiński)? Why do translated texts contain words written in Cyrillic (Russian, Ukrainian)? Jak to zmienić? How to change it?

Wiele nazw własnych jest napisane cyrylicą zamiast w języku polskim lub w oryginale po angielsku

Many proper names are written in Cyrillic instead of in Polish or in the original English Sergh Khan (talk) 14:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@Sergh Khan, if you could give us an example of an article you're talking about, it'll help us understand what you're asking. Valereee (talk) 14:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Redirecting a Published page to a new published page

Hello,

I need to create a redirect from one published page to another. Is there a easy way to do this, or could someone explain the process to me?

Thank you. Will.Monroe FMDefense (talk) 14:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@Will.Monroe FMDefense Does WP:Redirect help? It would be unusual to overwrite an existing article that has some content with a redirect to another article. That is what the process of merging is for. So it might be safest to explain here exactly what it is you want to do, so we can give further advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

The SEMT Pielstick page is linked on multiple US Navy Vessel pages stating that it is the propulsion for the vessel. However, this is incorrect because the SEMT Pielstick engine is manufactured by Fairbanks Morse Defense.

So, I would like to redirect the SEMT Pielstick page to the Fairbanks Morse Defense page. That way the link to the propulsion on the Vessel pages is correct. Will.Monroe FMDefense (talk) 15:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I think, potentially, you've used the wrong wording, which is totally understandable. When we say "redirect", we mean to replace the content on a page with a template that, when you click on that page, it opens another article.

From what I can tell, you want to change individual links from within an article? Could you clarify which article? I found SEMT Pielstick, Fairbanks Morse Defense but no US Navy Vessel. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I have linked an example here.

USS Detroit (LCS-7)

Next to propulsion it has "2 Colt-Pielstick diesel engines" linked. I would like this to link to Fairbanks Morse Defense, since that is the manufacturer of the engine.

Is the only way to replace this by making an edit on the USS Detroit (LCS-7) page? Or can I change the 2 Colt-Pielstick link to redirect to Fairbanks Morse Defense. Will.Monroe FMDefense (talk) 17:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Will Monroe FMDefence.

As a technical matter, you could edit the redirect page Colt-Pielstick to point to Fairbanks Morse Defense instead of to SEMT Pielstick: you can get to it by picking the link Colt-Pielstick, and then picking the message at the top of the page which says "(Redirected from Colt-Pielstick)".

However, I don't think you should do this for two reasons. The first is that it is not obvious that the change should be made: neither SEMT Pielstick nor Fairbanks Morse Defense mentions this engine, so neither the existing redirection nor your proposed redirection is currently supported by a reference.

Secondly, judging by your username, you have a conflict of interest in applying this change - in fact, I would guess that you are what Wikipedia counts as a paid editor. If this is so, you must make a formal declaration of this status (this is part of the terms of use - see that link for how to do it), and you may not directly edit articles associated with your employer.

So what I think you should do is

1. (assuming you are employed by FMD) make your formal declaration on your user page.
2. Request the insertion of a (suitably sourced) statement into Fairbanks Morse Defense explaining that the COLT-Pielstick engine was manufactured by FMD; otherwise the redirect will be unexplained to a reader that arrives there. You should not make this edit yourself, but should raise an WP:edit request at the talk page Talk:Fairbanks Morse Defense (this talk page has not so far been created, which is why the link is red).
3. Either on that talk page, or at WP:RFD, open a discussion proposing the change to the redirection.

ColinFine (talk) 19:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Songs about Texas

"Rivers of Texas" should be included on any list of songs about Texas. M William Wykoff (talk) 18:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@M William Wykoff: I assume you are talking about Category:Songs about Texas. If so, the reason it is not included is because there is no article about the song: categories are simply designed to compile lists of Wikipedia articles in that category, and are not intended as an exhaustive list or even a list of the most prominent examples. If an article is written about the song it will be added to the category. Tollens (talk) 18:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I have to say I am surpised that List of songs about Texas is a redlink though. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 18:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I was surprised too, especially given that there are similar lists for many other U.S. states. Tollens (talk) 18:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

https://balladofamerica.org/brazos-river/

Copyright violation removed --ColinFine (talk)

Vance Randolph’s monumental collection Ozark Folksongs. Randolph recorded it in 1942 from a woman named Irene Carlisle in Fayetteville, Arkansas, who had grown up in the area and was herself a folklorist with several academic articles and an MA degree on her resume.

there is a Neches River which flows through more than 400 miles of Texas. So the hired hand presumably sang “Neches” and Carlisle, being more familiar with Mississippi towns than Texas rivers, misheard it as “Natchez. M William Wykoff (talk) 00:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@William Wykoff, do not post copyright material anywhere on Wikipedia. I suspect that the paragraph I have left is also a copyright violation, but I have not found a source, so I haven't removed it.

In any case, there is little point in posting material for an article on this page: it is unlikely that anybody is going to do anything with it. If you want to add material to an existing article, you can either do so yourself (bearing in mind that you should summarise what the source says, not reproduce it; and that generally we need reliable sources, which almost all blogs are not); or else post on the talk page of the relevant article, inviting people to help you to add the material. --ColinFine (talk) 09:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Change Photo

How can I change the photo on a persons page? I am the content manager for this person and they would very much like to update the photo on their page. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you Tubescreamer606 (talk) 22:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

If it is a living person, the photograph would have to be free to use, ie not copyrighted in any way; see WP:UPIMAGE. Also, representing another person on a professional level can lead to problems with a conflict of interest, but provided that the suggested photo is uncontroversial this shouldn't be a problem. However, please discuss any proposed changes to this person's article on the talk page if necessary.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 22:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

See WP:Donating copyrighted materials, in particular the §§ Donating your photographs​ and Granting us permission to copy material already online sections. And in addition to complying with our local conflict of interest guideline, which Ianmacm linked above, our terms of use require you to explicitly disclose your presumably-paid status. —Cryptic 23:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Tubescreamer606, I imagine that you are also known as Tuber Screamer 606 and that this is about Michael Guy Chislett (about which article, see Talk:Michael Guy Chislett). The current photo of Chislett is terrible; it should be easy to take a better one -- I mean, take it yourself by pressing the button on your camera (or phone); I don't mean filch it from elsewhere on the web -- and to upload it (not to Wikipedia but instead to Wikimedia Commons). In Talk:Michael Guy Chislett, announce that you too are being reimbursed. -- Hoary (talk) 23:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that would be me. It's something we have been trying to get changed for a while now. I have a photo that we have taken ourselves, but I am too inexperienced to know how to change it. Im sorry to be a bother, but if you can explain it to me like I am a 5 year old, that would be greatly appreciated. Or, if someone would be able to do it for us, even better! Tubescreamer606 (talk) 23:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

OK, five-year-old Screamer. You take a photo. (Then the copyright will be unambiguously yours, singular.) Then you go to Wikimedia Commons. (It's thataway.) Make sure you're logged in. (You can use the same login as for Wikipedia.) Click on "Upload file" and follow the prompts. When the photo is uploaded, announce on Talk:Michael Guy Chislett that this has happened. -- Hoary (talk) 23:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your help and easy description. I have uploaded and announced that I uploaded the photo for use on the page. I also requested that a change be made on the talk page. Tubescreamer606 (talk) 00:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tubescreamer606 The photo update has been done, as you probably already know. Best practice here is now to place the {{Paid}} template on your userpage (currently a redlink) and also mention there that you previously edited as Tuber Screamer 606. Look at WP:VALIDALT for what sort of things you might do in future with that account but, for simplicity, just don't use it again. Once you have made the paid declaration, you can suggest future updates to Chislett's article via its talkpage. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Where to put dead link tag

On Jon Tester's page, there's this citation which links to a dead link: <ref name="almanac">[http://www.nationaljournal.com/almanac/person/jon-tester-mt/ "Sen. Jon Tester (D-MT)"]. ''The Almanac of American Politics'', National Journal. Retrieved December 10, 2011.</ref>

I was wondering where I'm supposed to put the dead link tag. Template:Dead_link wasn't particularly clear, since it only gave an example for a totally bare link and a few examples for CS1 citations. GrapesRock (talk) 23:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

You do not put it anywhere. Instead, you visit the Internet Archive and there see that the Wayback Machine has made plenty of scrapes of this page. You choose a suitable example among these, and link to that. -- Hoary (talk) 23:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Huh, so there are. One is edited in, thanks! I just looked at the earliest and latest archives and they both weren't good, so I assumed none of them were good.

I've recently been going through mis-marked dead links so I reckon that there is going to be a time that I encounter a perma-dead link for a citation of the format discussed above, so I'm still curious where I'd be supposed to put the tag GrapesRock (talk) 23:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@GrapesRock: The examples of how to use the template {{Deadlink}} on its documentation page can essentially be applied to your example as well since they all add the template right before the </ref> syntax. As long as you do that, things should be fine. If you look at template's documentation page and find it to be sparce, you can always try asking on the template's talk page for help. You could also try clickiing on "What links here" in the left side panel of the template's page. Often you can get a good idea as to how to use a template by seeing how it's being used others, and "What links here" will show you a list of pages where the template is being used. Search hard enough and you should find an example of what you'd like t do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)