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February 22

Back to the Future 3 Saloon Old Timers

I ran into a bit of a problem on Back to the Future 3, mainly that the article doesn't mention the three famous "Saloon old Timers" who appear in the movie. When attempting to add this information, it was reverted twice by a user based on a "poll" in which two users voted. When trying to reopen the discussion, the material was again reverted with the note "the matter is closed"[1]. I recently re-watched the entire series and was in fact quite surprised that the Wikipedia article didn't mention the names of the three western actors. Also, and not to be too harsh here, saying that two editors conducting a vote between themselves is consensus just isn't the case and gets dangerously towards WP:OWN. Comments are welcome here. Thank you! -OberRanks (talk) 15:12, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

The "poll" is invalid. It should have been posted as an WP:RfC, left open for far more than two days, and been closed by an uninvolved admin. I agree the editor is expressing ownership. That being said, this is not the place to address content disputes. Also, there should not have been so many options, as this clouds the issue. You can file a new, valid RfC. Ask for help at Wikipedia:Help desk if you need it. If there is further contention over posting an RfC you can comment at WP:AN or WP:ANI as appropriate. μηδείς (talk) 18:23, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

It appears that a compromise has been reached. The thing about cast lists is that IMDB has room from complete cast clear down to the coffee-and-donuts guy, but that's beyond the scope of the typical Wikipedia article about a film. It's reasonable to mention interesting cameos within the article, in passing. Like for example the real Chuck Yeager appearing in a bar scene early in The Right Stuff, opposite the actor playing Yeager. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:35, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Or the real Arnold Schwarzenegger in Last Action Hero, beside the actor playing Schwarzenegger. —Tamfang (talk) 09:07, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Rapping

The Wikipedia page that give the definition of rapping, gives reference to many artists. I distinctly remember the first artist I ever heard rap, was a man named Rudy Ray Moore. Rudy Ray Moore's work and albums came out in the 60's and we're considered adult only content. However his style and delivery was clearly copied and cleaned up by modern artists. Some effort to credit this entertainer with his contribution to rap music should be investigated. Ice t, clearly and precisely sampled his delivery in the 90's. Others have as well, in an interview, Rudy Ray Moore once said that by the time today's artists knew what to do with it (rap) I was through with it!,,, <email redacted> 2/22/2014 USA , after watching Jimmy Fallon and Justin timberlakes history of rap#5. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4:1D00:1063:2916:F7E5:9ECB:94CE (talk) 19:15, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Rudy Ray Moore has an article, and there are plenty of sources like this and this that mention him as "presag[ing] the rap revolution in music by a good 20 years...". The place to suggest to other editors that his contribution should be recognised is Talk:Rapping. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:28, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Where was Devon Sawa's son born?

In early January, his son Hudson was born. I want to know whether the baby was born in Los Angeles or Toronto, both residences of Sawa. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Japanesehelper (talk • contribs) 21:39, 22 February 2014 (UTC)