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Soundharya

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1. Did Soundharya's plane disapear? 2. Did Soundharya's plane unfortunately set on fire? 3. Was Soundharya's corpse identified? 4. Is it unfortunately true that Soundharya's dead? 5. Did the Shiv Shankar film end Happy Reunion of [Mohan Babu & Soundharya] before [Soundharya's death]? 6. In the End, while Mohan Babu was Going to Soundharya's safe Location, did Soundharya unfortunately Die at the Same Time?(50.73.61.193 (talk) 19:39, 6 February 2017 (UTC)). Are you referring to the Indian film actress Soundarya? Maineartists (talk) 19:57, 6 February 2017 (UTC) Yes, that's the same Actress, I would need Specific Answers for my Questions if You can help me uh Maineartists(50.73.61.193 (talk) 19:59, 6 February 2017 (UTC)).

Long term troll, please WP:DNFTT--Jac16888 ^Talk 20:39, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Stolen bases on intentional walks

According to this, major league baseball is thinking about eliminating the four pitches on intentional walks. I've always wanted to see someone steal third base (or better yet, steal home) during a soft intentional walk pitch. Has that ever happened? Loraof (talk) 23:22, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Here's a steal of third. Still looking for a steal of home, but I can't imagine that it's never happened. Deor (talk) 23:44, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

See also this. Matt Deres (talk) 02:44, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Wild pitches and passed balls also happen on intentional walk attempts from time to time. If you google "wild pitch intentional walk" you'll find plenty of examples. WPs and PBs are not scored as stolen bases, officially, but runners are allowed to advance. --Jayron32 13:14, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

What a silly idea. Baseball games aren't getting longer because one or twice per game we have to sit through an intentional walk. (Which is often emotional for fans of the team on offense, so it doesn't feel too long.) Baseball games are getting longer because of all the hemming and hawing they do between pitches.

I'll bet if you outlawed velcro batting gloves you'd save at a least fifteen minutes per game! ApLundell (talk) 14:29, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Baseball (and all televised sports) are longer because of advertising breaks. If you've ever been to a baseball game which is not broadcast on TV (like a minor league baseball game) it is shorter mostly because there isn't any long breaks between innings. Teams just come out and play. Once you've sat in person at a Major League Baseball game, you recognize that there is an inordinate amount of time where the players are just standing around between innings waiting for the ads on TV to finish. In 2014, the average major league game lasted 3:08 while the same year (2014), the Pacific Coast League and International League (AAA-level minor leagues) averaged 2:47. That 21 minutes per game difference is TV ads. Major League baseball players aren't fiddling with their gloves an extra 21 minutes per game. Unless they are doing so while ads are going on. --Jayron32 14:37, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Ever since Mike Hargrove retired, anyway. The recent World Series is available on DVD, with full games minus the commercial breaks. The games are significantly shorter that way. As far as an automatic wave to first, its total impact might not be much, but it's one of the more boring aspects of the game. It's rare when a Harry Chiti comes along and smacks a base hit during an intentional walk. However, there's also the 1972 World Series, when the count was 3-2 on Johnny Bench, the A's manager seemingly called for an intentional walk, and they threw strike 3, catching Bench flatfooted. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:43, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

1) I go to minor league games often. The ones around here typically have breaks between innings at least as long as a commercial break. Typically the mascot comes out and does something wacky. I'm not sure if these breaks are for the player's benefit, or if we're all supposed to be buying a new hotdog.

2) More importantly, individual major league at-bats have gotten a lot longer. A large part of it is how long batters step out of the box between pitches. Sure it's not all about the gloves, but that's a surprising part of it. There's a bunch of video comparisons of old game versus current games out there, this one from HuffPo is the first one I can find quickly. [1], but don't trust that. This article from the Boston Globe goes into it quite a lot. Commercials are part of it, but dicking around at the plate is too.

ApLundell (talk) 14:58, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Your impression is not supported by data. Doing a same-year comparison shows that there are 21 extra minutes in major league parks. Anecdotes and personal recollections feel important on a personal level, but ultimately aren't relevant to the data. Which exists, and can be read by anyone.--Jayron32 15:02, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I know minor league games are shorter. I'm saying it's not because of commercials inserted.

But minor league comparisons are besides the point. Even if I'm completely wrong about that, the primary point is major league time at-bat has dramatically increased in the past few decades, and that contributes WAY more to game length than the occasional intentional walk.

Seriously, if you get a chance to watch an older game on DVD or something Anything from the early 80s and earlier, it's amazing how they just ... get down to business and play ball compared to modern players.

Or read that Globe article where they have numbers. ApLundell (talk) 15:07, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Or here's an SI article showing that "Minutes per ball in play" went up 18% from 2004 to 2014.[2]. You can't blame that on commercials, or intentional walks.

ApLundell (talk) 15:22, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

TV broadcasts have added about 1 minute of extra advertising per inning in recent years. --Jayron32 15:29, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

That's interesting. The Sports Illustrated article I linked shows that slow-downs in play speed added an extra 29 minutes over roughly the same time period. So even if you meant that advertising increased by 1 minute per half-inning, for a total of 18 minutes, that's still less than the stuff I'm talking about. ApLundell (talk) 16:09, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

I think we're dealing with a problem of unclear metrics. Reading all of these articles, it isn't clear how they are determining the "length of a game" and "extra time per inning" and the like. To determine the time spent per plate appearance, are we simply dividing the number of plate appearances by the length of the game (when advertising time would be taken into account) or is someone sitting there with a stop-watch timing each individual plate appearance and coming up with a time for that? There's lots of methods one could use to measure these times, and the devil is in the details. Unless we know WHAT they are measuring, we can't know what they are measuring, if you know what I mean... --Jayron32 19:06, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

The timing of pitches is referred to as "pace". According to this admittedly short-term evaluation, it's increased by 1.5 seconds from the years 2010 to 2014. I don't know of any attempts to reconstitute historical paces from, say, the 1970s, but I also don't know of anyone who believes that it hasn't increased an awful lot in that time. Even a 1.5 second increase per pitch adds up significantly because of the sheer volume of pitches thrown, which could easily top 300 in a game. That's a six or seven minute increase over just five years. The same source I linked also suggests that batters face more pitches per plate appearance now than in previous years as the value of patience at the plate has become more widely valued. That is largely confirmed here, though that source is a little older. Matt Deres (talk) 15:02, 9 February 2017 (UTC)