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Psychobiography Resources on Internet

Hello. We are Designing a form of Class for managers and Leaders motivating them to know themselves better to be more efficient and productive. Our idea is to use Psychobiographic Material to help our cause ,for example "Nikola Tesla Was Obsessive because of his Childhood issues" But the problem is that many information out there are biased and Unreliable ,Is there any specific site or Database to help us find cases to study ? if not is there anything that you propose for us to do ? -- Best Wishes, 2.147.201.133 (talk) 00:41, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

One person has compiled a Psychobiography Web Resources page and refers to a particular textbook. In the Wikipedia page on Psychobiography, the section on origins and development provides examples of published psychobiographies of noted individuals, and the section on criticism indicates some serious objections relevant to your proposed use. If you're doing a thorough study, authors whose works are cited as references may have published other useful materials. You might beware of superficial web content produced by copywriters rather than qualified professionals and academics. -- Deborahjay (talk) 06:58, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Abrahamic Religions

An Islamic friend of mine has just told me that Islam was the first Abrahamic religion. Does this make sense to anyone? KägeTorä - (^影_虎) (もしもし！) 07:00, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

The claim is that Muhammad was just restoring the original religion of Adam. Ian.thomson (talk) 07:04, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

You know, after reading this, Mormonism seems to bear some resemblance to Islam. 71.79.234.132 (talk) 11:46, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

The Quran explicitly makes the claim that Abraham was not a Jew or Christian, but a Muslim (surah 3:67), and in a sense, even Jews and Christians may agree with this. A Muslim literally is 'someone who submits' (to God), and therefore one could call Abraham simply a Muslim, considering that Judaism is named after Judah, Christianity after Jesus Christ, neither of which had been born in Abraham's day. That said, there is no historical support for the claim that modern Islamic doctrines and practices (hadj, ramadan, the shahada etc. ), which derive from Muhammad and 7th century Arabian culture, have any connection with the faith of Abraham and early monotheists. - Lindert (talk) 12:37, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

... and, of course, from a Christian viewpoint, you haven't taken into account John 8 verse 58, where Christ claims to have existed before Abraham. If Abraham followed any religious system, it was most probably Zoroastrianism. Dbfirs 12:49, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

...Or all of John 1 (see also Logos), where the case is made that Christ existed since creation itself. The point is that within each religion, which claims itself as the true faith, there is often (not always, but often enough) the claim that the religion has existed forever, and that the founder of the religion did not invent it, but had it revealed to them by God. As in, people were disobeying the eternal religion, and God chooses some people to be charged with correcting people and bringing them back to the one true religion. So Islam and Christianity are no different in that way: They each, within their own beliefs, claim to be the universal and eternal religion, not an invention of a person, but a revelation to a person from god. It is not surprising that any of them claim this, nor is it internally inconsistent with the belief systems OR their understanding of their own history. After all, when Percival Lowell discovered Pluto, he didn't claim that Pluto didn't exist until he found it; it's the same with the founder of a religion. --Jayron32 16:48, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Um, just to keep the ref desk (somewhat) factual, it was Clyde Tombaugh who discovered Pluto. Lowell "discovered" the canals on Mars. Deor (talk) 23:16, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

But an understandable error given that Lowell played a not insignificant role in Pluto's detection. From Percival Lowell: In 1930 Clyde Tombaugh, working at the Lowell Observatory, discovered Pluto near the location expected for Planet X. Partly in recognition of Lowell's efforts, a stylized P-L monogram () – the first two letters of the new planet's name and also Lowell's initials – was chosen as Pluto's astronomical symbol. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:26, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

That said, Christianity is often considered (by Christians) to be a "fulfillment" of Judaism. Their belief is that Christ's coming was prophesiced in the Old Testament, and that he brought a new covenant with new rules to replace/upgrade the old covenant with Abraham and the laws of Moses. This is different from the Islamic position that Mohamad was restoring the religion of Abraham that Jews and Christians had deviated from. Iapetus (talk) 11:22, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

heroic flight attendant

I remember watching a video on YouTube. It went viral shortly after being broadcast on the news locally and nationally. It was about Delta Air Lines Flight 4951. The aircraft was flying from Atlanta, Georgia to White Plains, New York. It had to make an emergency landing at JFK International Airport due to the right landing gear getting jammed. The only flight attendant on board shouted "HEADS DOWN! STAY DOWN!" over and over until the airplane came to a complete stop on the tarmac.[1] She's a true American heroine. Who is she?2604:2000:712C:2900:3594:9808:988A:351F (talk) 13:21, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Am I missing something? Why is she a heroine for simply doing her job? As for her identity, have you tried contacting Delta Airlines? Link. I would however very much doubt they would give out her identity, as that would constitute a security risk. Fgf10 (talk) 15:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Following answering OP's erroneous question as originally posted, referring to US Airways Flight 1549 -- Paulscrawl (talk) 21:58, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Heroic enough for Clint Eastwood to make a movie about it.

WP article US Airways Flight 1549 has the link (currently, ref # 11): US Airways flight 1549: Airline releases crew information. Three flight attendants names and ages listed:

Flight Attendant Sheila Dail, age 57

Flight Attendant Doreen Welsh, age 58

Flight Attendant Donna Dent, age 51 -- Paulscrawl (talk) 16:54, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Also linked in that WP article is this, from the final report (May 4, 2010) of the National Transportation Safety Board (currently, citation #2). Ages allow identification with names released by airline (above):

Flight attendant A, age 51, was located at the aft-facing, forward jumpseat (outboard).

Flight attendant B, age 58, was located at the forward-facing, “direct-view” jumpseat (aft, center aisle).

Flight attendant C, age 57, was located at the aft-facing, forward jumpseat (inboard).

Definitive identification of the person you are interested in may come from an award or interview, many of which are cited in US Airways Flight 1549 -- Paulscrawl (talk) 17:16, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Worth mentioning: according to citation # 9 in WP article brace position, referencing article on passenger experiences of Flight 1549, the entire flight cabin crew chanted, as they are trained to do.

"Then the flight attendants started chanting. A creepy chant. Like a horror movie. 'Brace! Brace! Heads down! Stay down!'" -- Paulscrawl (talk) 18:01, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

It beats saying, "Get in crash positions." See about 50 seconds into this:[2] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:19, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

I made some mistakes, but they were corrected. It was Delta Air Lines 4951, in which the flight attendant shouted "HEADS DOWN! STAY DOWN!" over and over. The incident occurred on September 25, 2010.2604:2000:712C:2900:445A:6247:A067:F150 (talk) 20:53, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

You're more than welcome to revise your original question by asking a new one, but in the future please refrain from editing your original question: it makes responses to the original look ill-informed. Sorry, no time now to pursue Delta Flight 4951 . -- Paulscrawl (talk) 22:06, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Flight attendants are trained to do things like that. At least in developed countries with functioning regulatory systems, they undergo quite a bit of training, and part of their job is to manage the passengers in the event of any mishap. They're not just "sky waiters". The whole repeating instructions thing is something they're specifically trained to do, because when people are panicking they do all kinds of irrational stuff. Human factors research has shown that repeating instructions over and over in a panic situation works, because people's brains frequently filter out all kinds of stuff when under stress, so if you just say something once or twice a lot of people literally won't have heard it. With that said, I don't want to denigrate the attendant for performing their job well and quite possibly saving lives. I would be pleased if society spent more time celebrating people like this who actually make meaningful contributions to society, as opposed to people who are good at playing with balls. --108.38.204.15 (talk) 00:00, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Atlantic Southeast Airlines, which operates Delta Connection, issued a news release praising its crew, identifying them as Captain Jack Conroyd, First Officer Larkin Newby and Flight Attendants Tony Reyna and Lonnie Stockham. (Read it here.)    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 04:20, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Axieri

What is the Axieri that the Titular Bishopric of Axieri referring to or is a made up place?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:51, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

it:Sede titolare di Azieri?—eric 00:20, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Mesopotamia? It seems the Italian article is guessing where it was. Was it simply an early Roman center of Christianity that was abandoned with no record of where it is now.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:54, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

They said look in Eubel but i'm having no luck. And ^{[el citationo neededo]} didn't seem to work either.—eric 01:35, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Eubel doesn't say where it is either. Typically titular bishoprics were real dioceses that were suppressed or no longer existed for whatever reason - in this case, probably because the area was conquered by the Muslims, and maybe the Christian population went elsewhere. If this place was a suffragan of the Archbishop of Dara, it's actually in Syria, not Mesopotamia. Adam Bishop (talk) 04:09, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Here is a long discussion (pp. 269–71) by Heinrich Gelzer in the German Byzantinische Zeitschrift (1892), which, if I am not mistaken, concludes that Axieri is identical to Nicopolis (Lesser Armenia), modern Koyulhisar. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 18:30, 11 August 2015 (UTC)