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April 5
editWill India face Sri Lanka, Lebanon, Venezuela type nightmare situation?
editEvery day, the cost of petrol, diesel, vegetables, cooking oil, medicines, and fertilizers is increasing in India.
Some are saying Modi is doing it intentionally.
- As stated at the top of this page, "We don't answer requests for opinions, predictions or debate."--Shantavira|feed me 08:17, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Are there British people identifying with their Norman ancestry?
editIt seems to be not only a stereotype that English people, in so far as they somewhat root themselves in history, primarily identify with their Anglo-Saxon ancestry, while many other inhabitants of the British Isles identify as Celts. Are there also British people identifying with their Norman heritage? Maybe the remaining native speakers of Jèrriais and Guernésiais? Others? --KnightMove (talk) 05:20, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- Some British aristocrats used to be proud to trace their genealogy to medieval Norman ancestors, but any distinction between Normans and Saxons as separate social groups in England disappeared many centuries ago. By the way, there were 5 linguistic groups in medieval Scotland at various times: Britons ("P"-Celtic speakers), Gaels ("Q"-Celtic speakers), Picts, Norse-speakers, and English-speakers... AnonMoos (talk) 10:08, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- We have English surnames of Norman origin, but it's not a hot topic here as far as I know. Alansplodge (talk) 11:28, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- There also needs to be a distinction between "has Norman ancestry, and knows about it" and "Is ethnically Norman". The Anglo-Normans as an ethnicity doesn't exist anymore. There is no longer any Anglo-Norman culture within England for them to share amongst themselves. --Jayron32 12:19, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- However, a study published in 2011 apparently showed that people in England with surnames descended from Norman-French are on average about 10% richer [I am greatly simplifying] than those with non-Norman names. (Link to article in The Guardian, another to one from CNBC). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.209.123.235 (talk) 16:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- That makes sense given that much of the nobility in Britain has such surnames. Families like the Howard, Beaufort (surname), Spencer (surname), all derive from Norman-French origins. --Jayron32 11:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- I think (but might be mistaken) that the study intentionally avoided the inclusion of particularly rich people, and focussed on the "ordinary" population. A pdf of the study is easily googleable, but to be honest I did not want to spend the time downloading and reading it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.209.123.235 (talk) 16:19, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Even if one excludes "particularly rich" individuals, having an ancestor that had access to money and education and social connections also makes one more likely to have some of those advantages such things provide, even if on an absolute scale, one is not particularly rich. --Jayron32 16:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that's the point: the study suggests that those advantages have persisted to a still statistically measurable degree even over the best part of a millennium. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.209.123.235 (talk) 22:55, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Even if one excludes "particularly rich" individuals, having an ancestor that had access to money and education and social connections also makes one more likely to have some of those advantages such things provide, even if on an absolute scale, one is not particularly rich. --Jayron32 16:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- I think (but might be mistaken) that the study intentionally avoided the inclusion of particularly rich people, and focussed on the "ordinary" population. A pdf of the study is easily googleable, but to be honest I did not want to spend the time downloading and reading it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.209.123.235 (talk) 16:19, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- That makes sense given that much of the nobility in Britain has such surnames. Families like the Howard, Beaufort (surname), Spencer (surname), all derive from Norman-French origins. --Jayron32 11:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- However, a study published in 2011 apparently showed that people in England with surnames descended from Norman-French are on average about 10% richer [I am greatly simplifying] than those with non-Norman names. (Link to article in The Guardian, another to one from CNBC). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.209.123.235 (talk) 16:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- There also needs to be a distinction between "has Norman ancestry, and knows about it" and "Is ethnically Norman". The Anglo-Normans as an ethnicity doesn't exist anymore. There is no longer any Anglo-Norman culture within England for them to share amongst themselves. --Jayron32 12:19, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- Some had the wisdom to celebrate their "Normanness". Clarityfiend (talk) 10:42, 6 April 2022 (UTC)