Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2020 February 22

Welcome to the Wikipedia Language Reference Desk Archives
The page you are currently viewing is a transcluded archive page. While you can leave answers for any questions shown below, please ask new questions on one of the current reference desk pages.

February 22

Need help with grammar check

I'm going to add following paragraph to 92nd Academy Awards, but before that, I'd like someone to check grammar.

In South Korea, questions arose as to whether it was appropriate for Miky Lee to give acceptance speech when she was not a part of Parasite's Best Picture nomination (which were Kwak Sin-ae and Bong Joon-ho). As a response, Kwak wrote on her social media post that it was arranged in advance so, in the event Parasite wins the Best Picture, she would give a quick speech and Lee would give one next. Kwak also wrote that Bong was out of words after winning three categories prior.^[1][2]

Refs

1. 조재영 (February 12, 2020). 곽신애 대표 "CJ 부회장 소감, 우리끼리 미리 정해놨다" (in Korean). Yonhap News Agency. Retrieved 22 February 2020.
2. 유수경 (February 12, 2020). 곽신애 대표 "이미경 부회장 작품상 소감, 사전에 정한 것". Hankook Ilbo (in Korean). Retrieved 22 February 2020.

JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 12:04, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Assuming your assertions are accurate, you could word it this way:

In South Korea, questions arose as to whether it was appropriate for Miky Lee to give an acceptance speech when she was not a part of Parasite's Best Picture nominated team, which were Kwak Sin-ae and Bong Joon-ho. In response, Kwak wrote in a social media post that it was arranged in advance that, in the event Parasite were to win the Best Picture award, she would give a quick speech and Lee would give one next. Kwak also wrote that Bong was out of words after winning three categories prior

←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:10, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

I think that will do. Thank you for helping me. JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 15:47, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

"which were Kwak Sin-ae and Bong Joon-ho" sounds godawful. "In South Korea, the question arose as to whether it was appropriate for Miky Lee to give an acceptance speech when Kwak Sin-ae and Bong Joon-ho won the Best Picture award. Kwak responded in a social media post that it was arranged in advance that, if Parasite won, she would give a quick speech, and Lee would give the next one. Kwak also wrote that Bong had run out of words after winning in three other categories." Clarityfiend (talk) 08:38, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

The-then

Today's "On this day" box lists the following:

• 1371 – Robert II became King of Scots as the first monarch of the-then House of Stewart.

What is "the-then" supposed to mean? JIP | Talk 15:49, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Presumably on the basis that the house no longer exists (since it existed at the time, it’s superfluous in this context). But there shouldn’t be a hyphen. And it’s spelled Stuart, anyway. MapReader (talk) 16:08, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Then (1371) it wasn't. As noted below, it was spelled "Stewart" until the 1500s, at that time the Frenchified spelling "Stuart" began to be used, by several branches of the family, including Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley, whose father used "Stewart" exclusively, and Mary, Queen of Scots, whose father James V of Scotland also used "Stewart". Coincidentally, Henry and Mary were wed and produced a son, James who continued to use the "Stuart" spelling. Henry was a distant cousin from the Stewarts of Darnley branch of the family, the two branches had split in the 1290s. Interestingly, the "Stewart" spelling did continue on in some branches as well, for example the Stewarts of Aubigny (itself a branch of the Stewarts of Darnley), who lived in France, rather ironically kept the Stewart spelling long after the Scottish/English branches had adopted the French-style spelling. Some of the Aubigny Stewarts came back to England to fight for the Royalist cause in the Civil Wars, and later settled back in Scotland during the Restoration, after several deaths, marriages, and inheritances, the branch becomes the Gordon-Lennox family, headed by Charles Gordon-Lennox, 11th Duke of Richmond, currently the Dukiest Duke in the Realm (he holds 4 dukedoms independently). But that's me and my crazy digressions. The spelling "Stuart" only really applies to Mary and Henry, Lord of Darnley and their direct descendents, that name eventually died out when Henry Benedict Stuart, the last living Stuart-name-bearing descendent of Mary and Henry, died without issue in 1807. Being a priest, he was unlikely to have had any issue anyways. In 1371, there were not Stuarts, only Stewarts. --Jayron32 21:09, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Misplaced hyphen. It should be "the then–House of Stewart" (i.e., what was then called the House of Stewart but later called the House of Stuart), with an en dash rather than a hyphen because "House of Stewart" is an open compound. I think the "then" could just be omitted, though. Deor (talk) 16:11, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

The hyphen in the original is totally off, similar to "19-th century art" (bad) instead of "19th-century art" (OK). But I think neither side of then used as an adjective needs a hyphen. (I actually recently removed such a hyphen.)  --Lambiam 17:39, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

I see that Valereee has deleted the "then" and hyphen in the "On this day" listing. It reads fine now. Deor (talk) 17:55, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Deor, it was brought up at WP:ERRORS as an issue --valereee (talk) 18:09, 22 February 2020 (UTC)