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April 27

Rewind

Who invented rewind? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.175.126.60 (talk) 00:12, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

Magnetic tape was first invented for recording sound by Fritz Pfleumer in 1926 in Germany, based on the invention of magnetic wire recording by Valdemar Poulsen in 1898. I imagine one or other of them might have had need to rewind their recordings. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Rewinding is required with any linear recording medium, and linear media go back much further than magentic tapes or wires - see scroll. Gandalf61 12:12, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Not true! Eight track tapes (and the various related endless-loop formats) need no rewinding.

Atlant 12:29, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Don't forget our old friend, the Möbius strip. Icthyos 17:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Thomas Edison invented the phonograph in 1877, which first used a tinfoil covered cylinder cylinder. The user spoke into a recording horn while turning a crank which advanced the cylinder by a screw thread mechanism. When the recording was done, the stylus was lifted off the cylinder and the crank was rotated backwards to move the cylinder back to the beginning. Sure sounds like a "rewind." Edison 16:42, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

video game

I know that i posted this question before, but dr. brain was not the answer. It was a video game that i remember playing for the playstation. The main character was a bat kind of thing that could walk on two legs and glide, but couldn't fly. Whenever the player would lose, a picture of him shown trapped in a cage would appear with big letters saying "Game over" or something like that. I'm just curious and its been bothering me for a while now. thanx. I like putting links. Oh yeah, don't forget to watch Chad Vader! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.170.44.145 (talk) 01:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

It's probably not, but it might be Jersey Devil. It's somewhat similar to the game you've described... Icthyos 11:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Was it Bubsy? --LarryMac 12:33, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like it could be Spyro the Dragon (character)? He has batlike wings and can only walk or glide - and there were several Spyro games for the PS-1. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SteveBaker (talk • contribs) 21:43, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

Thank you Icthyos! It was Jersey Devil!!! thanx so much!!!

You're welcome - never played it myself, but had seen it in magazines. Icthyos 17:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Citizenship

I am a British Citizen, my Mother is a British Citizen, My Grandmother (deceased) was an Irish Citizen living in Britain. After reading through the pages am I right in assuming that at this point in time I would not be eligible for Irish citizenship? However my mother would be eligible, and that after if she decided to claim her right to citizenship i would then be eligible for Irish citizenship as a child of an Irish citizen or is the their some sort of regulation against this? Would I therefore also be right in assuming that if my mother died before claiming Irish citizenship that I therefore would lose any justified claim to Irish citizenship? Rickystrapp 01:30, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you should check irish citizenship. I think i may have answered your question in record time, it was posted a minute ago. YAY!

Still, this is a legal question. We aren't supposed to do legal questions here. --Anon, April 27, 02:50 (UTC).

I wouldn't say so myself, im just curious about the technicalities of it. I'm British and I intend to stay that way. Rickystrapp 03:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

The disclaimer about legal questions doesn't mean we aren't allowed to touch anything that even remotely smells legal, use common sense, it's about questions that could get people into legal trouble, last time I checked, applying for Irish citizenship couldn't get you into trouble, at most it will simply be denied. SO! The answer to this question is simply, call your Irish consulate or embassy, I'm sure that kind of question gets asked all the time and you'll probably find someone who knows off the top of their head. Vespine 04:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

After a bit more searching around on the net, it seems I have found the answers to my questions, in that if i wanted to I could apply citizenship right now. Rickystrapp 07:30, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Someones whos grandpaent was an Irish Citizan is alredy an Irish Citizan, you shouldn't need to apply for it.Ken 18:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

That's really, really, not true. [1] Skittle 19:58, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Afterlife in Roman Catholicism

Do Catholics believe that one can only go to heaven (eventually) if one is a Christian, or that one cannot go to heaven without being a Christian?

Do Catholics believe that all people will (eventually) go to either heaven or hell after they die, or just some?

The Anonymous One 02:18, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Catholicism encompasses a huge range of diverse beliefs, it is near impossible to get a definitive response to what "Catholics believe". Perhaps you could qualify your question to ask whether there is direction about such things in the Bible, Ecclesiastical letter or Papal bull. This will result in a verifiable response, rather then a collection of personal beliefs. Rockpocket 02:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

WTF? This troll is asking questions here too?--Kirby♥time 13:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

continuation of "killing my nokia"

I didn't get any satisfying answer...plz if any one can tell me the way of blocking my device 'online itself'...Openly saying I can't afford if that process is expensive...Tell me the way if it's only free of cost...Now I was continuously being scolded by my family for losing the phone...Atleast they'll be satisfied if I can block it... Temuzion 08:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

• Edison makes a good point. We can't be sure you're the owner of said IMEA number. Anyway, how is contacting your provider and having the SIM blocked not an acceptable answer? - Mgm|^(talk) 09:45, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I just realized that if it is a 'Mafia phone', which is bought anonymously, using cash-prepaid minutes, then there is nothing you can do if you lose it. You could try calling them, and seeing how they like the phone!  :) (Did I just stereotype the Mafia?) --Zeizmic 15:15, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

The one and only thing you can do to block this device is to call your service provider and explain to them what happened. When you give them the telephone number they are able to shut off the device. If, however, it was a prepaid phone they may decline to do so as they may not have any way of verifying you are the owner of the device. If you were on a standard post-paid contract they will shut it down immediately. You can then purchase a new phone, pop a new SIM in it, have the telco activate and Bob's your uncle you can SMS to your heart's content. (I have never used the Bob's your uncle phrase before, did I do it right?) 161.222.160.8 00:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

new hip hop duo

does anyone know who im talking about i saw this feature on this new hip hop duo on MTV base , i think their from chicago and their 2 friends from high school or college (something like that) and they want to bring real hiphop back so the new generation knows what hip hop was originally about and their music is sick they have got real skill and talent I MUST KNOW WHO THIS DUO IS!!! BRING REAL HIPHOP BACK :D —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.42.99.196 (talk) 09:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

Nas and Hip Hop is Dead?--Kirby♥time 13:09, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Fiat Punto noise

Why does a Fiat Punto make a roaring noise when the car has been idling for 10-20 minutes or more?

Possibly from the cooling fan trying to pull more air in to cool the engine. Dismas|^(talk) 10:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree - most modern cars (especially small ones) have electric cooling fans that turn on when the engine temperature reaches a certain value - when you are driving at normal speeds, the high RPM engine noise and the noise from the road and the wind drowns out the sound of the fan - but when you are idling, it can sound pretty loud. When you are just idling, it can take the engine a long time to get hot enough to need the fan - so it might well suddenly kick in after 10 minutes. You may also find that the fan keeps running after you turn the engine off sometimes - don't worry about that either - it'll shut off by itself once the engine is cool enough. The reason they do this is for better fuel economy - the fan takes energy to run (which wastes fuel) - and the engine runs more efficiently when it is at the right temperature - so you really want it to heat up fairly quickly on a cold day - so you don't want the fan running when the engine is too cool. SteveBaker 17:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

And be very careful when working on a running engine with this type of fan mechanism. Leaving tools (or body parts!)where the fan blade might strike them when it starts up can result in serious injury!--killing sparrows ^(chirp!) 01:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

my friend

my friend somehow dosen't have accses to wikipedia. she is very upset and would like to acsess it. please reply back as to how she can acsess it once again.

thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.43.226.11 (talk) 11:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

You should probably take this up at the Wikipedia:Help Desk. - Eron ^Talk 12:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

And they will need to know what happens when she tries to access it. StuRat 02:35, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

coolest place

Which is the most coolest place in the world? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.56.231.116 (talk) 12:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

I suppose somewhere in the Antarctica near the South Pole in winter? --antilived^{T | C | G} 12:29, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia. Unless you mean in the real world... That would vary according to personal preference. · AndonicO ^Talk 12:30, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

San Francisco. Unless it's Paris.

Atlant 12:36, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Expanding into the world outside Earth, perhaps the Boomerang Nebula? Alternatively, Cambridge, Massachusetts. ---Sluzzelin talk 12:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

in your head dude, in your head...:) Perry-mankster 12:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Vostok Station. Marco polo 15:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

You people, posting answers without attribution. The answer is New Zealand.[2] --Charlene 05:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Akiba -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 06:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Melbourne --Candy-Panda 07:20, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

most coolest? ...most...coolest? Dude,you have some grammar problems. lol. The coolest place in the world is Hershey Pennsylvania(for the chocolate lovers)--Kittycat rox 20:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Definitely Seattle--Azi Like a Fox 00:37, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Wherever you are right now. And wherever I am, and wherever everyone else is. Everywhere is the coolest place to whoever is there, possibly because everywhere else only exists as a posibility.

Camden Town, London! Or London in general. 82.12.214.93 20:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Virginia Tech

how could we can stop mass murder like verginiea tech, what can be major solutions for that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.162.104.18 (talk • contribs)

The reference desk is not meant for opinion questions. There are many discussion forums dedicated to such things on the Internet. Splintercellguy 15:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Some would argue for stricter gun control. Others, like the National Rifle Association differ with that idea. Some people feel that if people were allowed conceal and carry permits then any potential criminal would be hesitant to commit a crime due to the fact that anyone in the room may have a gun. Dismas|^(talk) 15:24, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

You may also be interested in reading Gun politics and Gun politics in the United States in order to form your own opinion of what can or should be done. Dismas|^(talk) 15:32, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I doubt there can be an answer. In this particular case, having sturdy doors on the lecture rooms with locks on the interior Gun control (if it could be instituted) would undoubtedly solve the problem - you might be able to kill one or two people with a knife or a club - but there is no way you could kill 32 people that way. However, here in the USA, there are already far too many guns in circulation for a change of law to have an effect anytime soon. In the end, I think we have to pay more attention to people who are not fitting in - get them the help then need before they totally 'lose it'. This guy's room mate said that he hardly ever spoke a word - never cracked a smile - never did anything 'fun'. That's a big red flag right there - and everyone ignored it. The suicide rate amongst college students is outrageously high - this is just the tip of the iceberg. SteveBaker 17:09, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

If you wana stop things like this from happening then we NEED to have an alarm system...THE WE NEED TO USE THE S.O.B.! Ask no questions just hit the damn button!--Bakaneko07 17:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Can't kill 32 people without a gun? You may have noticed that this has been described as the worst mass civilian shooting in US history, but no guns were used in our four biggest mass murders. If Julio González had had a gun, eighty-some of his victims might be alive today. Virginia Tech wasn't even the biggest school massacre. —Tamfang 20:09, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Aside from the obvious fact that America needs to stop supplying its citizens with all the weapons they want, there is another factor contibuting to the amount of school massacres; publicity. The Columbine High School massacre was the first highly publicised school shooting in America, with coverage of every single detail right down to what type of guns they used, which led to many messed up kids researching Columbine and planning and executing copy-cat attacks. Even Seung-Hui Cho referred to Columbine in his video and called the kids "martyrs". If we stop giving these psychos the kind of publicity they want, stop playing their tapes, stop mourning the anniversaries, then we wont have so many Columbine-wannabes trying to leave their bloody mark on history! --Candy-Panda 04:44, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Yay, expand WP:DENY to Real World! Shinhan 12:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

@Stevebaker: So you're proposing that we outlaw being different? Not everyone finds things 'fun' like you or even 90% of the population does. Consider TV. Almost everyone in the US watches it. My grandma hates it. Are we gonna lock up lil ol' gramma for sticking her nose in a harlequin novel instead of watching American Idol? To the rest of the arguments; America's gun control isn't nearly as much of a problem as the media says it is, if you don't live here, don't judge it, if you do live here, you should realize that most of the gun crimes here aren't exactly being done by respectable people. Criminals don't care about the law. If I'm going to go out and massacre dozens of people, am I going to care how the hell I get my weapons?
The real answer to this question (which smells suspiciously like homework) is that you can't. The best you can do is teach people right and wrong, legalize euthanasia (if people can remove themselves in peace, it keeps some of them from going "Eh, if I'm gonna be dead this time next Thursday, why not take a few people with me?", of course this won't work on people like this), and buy yourself a nice bit of Kevlar fashion. Insane people will be insane, criminals will break the law. The best you can do is get used to the fact that some people are going to slip under the radar, some people are going to get what they want anyway they can, and some people are going to die. For all of human history, people have been killing people, and people will continue to kill people until human history ends -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 05:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Images

If I upload a jpeg from my computer, say xyz.jpeg, to Image:Xyz.png, what will happen?

Ignatzmice^talk_contribs 15:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

• I'm not 100% sure, but I think you'd get an error message saying that your file was currput/unreadable, I think I'll try this myself and see what happens--VectorPotential^Talk 16:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

• Now I'm sure, you get a message saying "The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again."--VectorPotential^Talk 16:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.

Ignatzmice^talk_contribs 16:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Reza Shah and 'the Khans'

I have been trying to verify a story I heard when visiting Iran two weeks ago. I was told that Reza Shah the 'Great', early in his reign had been having trouble controlling the provinces which were governed more or less autonomously by individual 'Khans' or kings. So he invited all the provincial Khans to a conference and banquet and then when they had all feasted and drunk their fill, he had them all arrested and summararily hung. What was the date of this happening and what is the historical fact? In particular I would like to find out about the Khan of Lorestan. His name? and his involvement in this event? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.42.141.227 (talk) 15:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

Our Reza Shah article shows him to be rather brutal, antidemocratic, and yet pro-modernization. It does not list the specific incident you mentioned, however. StuRat 17:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I thought that was a strictly English-Scottish thing... --Zeizmic 19:57, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

That actually sounds a bit like something Saddam Hussein pulled during his rise to power. In 1979, he called a big Ba'ath party conference, and then during his speech to the assembled delegates he denounced 68 of them as traitors and had them hauled away and arrested. Twenty-two of them were eventually executed. - Eron ^Talk 20:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

king Pepi II's daughter apparently did this too, aftger her half brother was murdered, it seems to be a very popular idea in the past.

Linking

am i alowed to link out side of wiki' with in an artical for a topic that is non-existance or should this go in the redeferance section? Idealy i know i should creat a stub but not the time at the moment... it's for Foreordination on the predestination page Philsgirl 15:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

You could do both. Add a link to the references section if it helps a reader understand the content of the article better. And at the same time, add an internal link (a red link) to the article that should be created, even if you don't have time to create that article just yet. Dismas|^(talk) 16:18, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks guys will do Philsgirl 16:57, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

How does one cancel an account?

I'm on the verge of tears. I'm not a computer person; I speak, write and think in English. I thought it would be fun to participate, but I don't understand a single thing being "explained" here. Please: I created an account. I didn't create a signature because I couldn't figure out how to do it. I JUST WANT TO GET OUT OF HERE! Please, how do I delete/cancel my account? Thank you. Jbnyc132 16:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

• You can't delete your account, you do however, have a right to vanish--VectorPotential^Talk 16:36, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
• Also, there's no subscription or anything, so if you just stop visiting Wikipedia, you're covered. This isn't AOL or a cell phone company, you're not going to be charged a fee or anything. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 16:37, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

JBnyc132 has my complete sympathy. I feel the same hysteria rising in me every time I take a look at the answers at the Ref Desk for Mathematics. Bielle 20:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I've replied to JBnyc132 on his talk page, offering mentoring to get him/her over any understanding issues. I hope he/she stays. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Civil Emrg.?

What is a Civil Emrg.?--Bakaneko07 17:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Civil emergency, perhaps? What is the context? - Eron ^Talk 18:00, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

This person also posted a question about tornadoes on the Science desk, so that's probably it. --Anonymous, April 27, 2007, 22:48 (UTC).

Requests for Arbitration

Can anyone tell me a good way to find out which users have the most Requests for Arbitration?

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.141.235.203 (talk) 18:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

Historical question

Not long ago I read somewhere online a reference to the Union Jack, or the Southern Cross, is derived from the flag of one of the King Georges of England. Is this true? And where might I find a reference and photos to back up this premise? Catsmeow2 19:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Our article on Union Flag#History, and the references therein, are pretty comprehensive in describing its evolution from the individual flags of the Union, including the St George's Cross (see schematic). The stars in the Southern Cross Flag is unlikely to have originated from a flag of the northen hemisphere, for obvious reasons. Rockpocket 19:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Madagascar

Hi! I'm writing a story that takes place in Madagascar. It's about a geneticist on the run. Where in Madagascar would be the perfect place to observe the nature of Madagascar and be well hidden at the same time? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.3.162.234 (talk) 20:09, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

Probably one of the strict nature reserves such as Tsingy de Bemaraha Strict Nature Reserve. Marco polo 02:34, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

or that mountain range in the far north, can't remember it's name, but it has a lot of a's in it.

Parental Control

What was one of the suckiest hater moves in the history of Parental Control?

I think this belongs in Entertainment, but I have otherwise no idea what this person wants to know. Bielle 21:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

The Future Buddha

Will the future Buddha have blue eyes? And when will the future Buddha get here? 206.188.56.24 21:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I vaguely recall a prophecy by the first Buddha (Guatama) that the next Buddha will come when all teachings of Buddhism has been forgotten. As far as I know, there was no mention of eye colour. - Akamad 08:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

• Arn't we all Buddha?hotclaws**== 10:42, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

He might have eyes of every colour, in the spirit of fairness and equality.

Please see Maitreya. --Shantavira 19:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Dame Chocolate

According to IMDb.com, where is Dame Chocolate filmed?

I know that the question has been answered on that article, but I just wanted to make sure.--12.18.90.115 21:14, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Er, why not go on imdb.com and look? Recury 22:43, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Mao suit

What kind of place carries a mao suit? I want to buy one :) I think they look really cool. [Mαc Δαvιs] ❖ 21:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Mandarintouch.com has a nice range of them, as does Asianideas.com. Ebay also [3]. Rockpocket 22:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

British soccer teams?

I would like a list of British soccer teams! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.18.239.142 (talk) 21:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

• List of football clubs in England
• List of football clubs in Scotland
• List of football clubs in Wales
• List of football clubs in Ireland#Northern Ireland --Tagishsimon (talk)

headless chickens

how long can a chicken survive when its head has been chopped off? somebody told me about a website, apparently a chicken survived for 30 days! any truth in that?

thanks 22:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not true. He didn't survive for 30 days; he survived for 18 months. - Eron ^Talk 22:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, good old Mike The Headless Chicken. Rockpocket 23:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

To be a bit more detailed, he survived because he was being fed and looked after. In the wild, the chances of his survival are practically nil. The chance of the head being severed in the perfect way are abysmally low, however. Think about how many chickens that farmer beheaded before he had the insane luck to leave it alive- and how many chickens have been beheaded afterwards -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 05:16, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Mike The Headless Chicken may have been incompletely decapitated. I have seen chickens with their heads chopped off run around flapping their wings for quite a few seconds, travelling perhaps 20 feet before they fall over. It would no doubt have impressed the crowd if French aristocrats or British royalty had managed to do similar feats when executed by decapitation, but chickens seem to have a more distrubuted motor control system in their central nervous system. I read an urban legend about a "back to the land family" who gathered the children and put a block of wood down on a newspaper to do the first chicken killing in the kitchen of their home, so the kids would know "where food came from." The hatchet chop came and the screaming family scattered as the headless chicken seemed to chase them around while spraying blood. Thus are vegetarians created. Edison 16:32, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Regarding French aristocrats and other legends or anecdotes of decapitated human bodies with motor functions, see this Pravda article. ---Sluzzelin talk 16:58, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Remembering, of course, that Pravda is not exactly reputable... Skittle 19:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

He was no chicken, but Saint Denis is alleged to have done (reasonably) well in spite of an abrupt, er, reduction in height. - Eron ^Talk 19:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

From what I've read about Mike, it seems clear that most of his brain remained. He was simply a chicken without a face, not one without a complete head. --Charlene 06:53, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Ear Training and Pitch Recognition

I realise this is probably not the best place to ask this, but I know of nowhere else where I am likely to get an answer. As such, if you could tell me of a good resource, please do. Anyway, on with the question: Could someone please tell me what the notes are in this excerpt Orabidoo Excerpt, specifically, the second piano part that comes in. I recognise that the piano is quite out of tune and that it may be difficult to recognise the pitches accurately, but any help you can give me would be appreciated. Also, I am trying to develop my musical ear as best as I can. I definately noticed an improvement over the last few months since I started my music GCSE and started trying stuff out on my MIDI keyboard (I can't play piano by the way). Unfortunately, I am not at the stage where I can accurately play a melody after hearing it (I even get most of the intervals messed up). This is why I am asking someone else if they would be able to do it for me (it's purely for my own enjoyment). However, I would be interested if anyone could give me any pointers on how I can improve my pitch recognition and general music-by-ear stuff (that's most definately a technical term...). Any help you can give on either of these points would be much appreciated.

P.S. I would like to apologise for the wait you must endure before you can download the file. I just chose the first file uploader that appeared in a quick Google search (I'm in a bit of a hurry).--Infarction 22:30, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi. If nobody has provided you with the music in a few days time, I'll do my best, but it will take a while and I'm not sure I could communicate it in the most clear way. So I'll hope someone else does it first.... Can you read music, or are you looking for it written like "A A B C"? As for improving your ability with this stuff, really just practise. Sit down with an instrument and try to work out how to play simple tunes that you know off-by-heart. Learn them on that instrument, so you reinforce the way the movements and the intervals interact. Then, when you're good at that, move on to things you're less familiar with. Skittle 19:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer. I can read music, but I don't really mind how it is written. It's good to know that what I have been doing is the right way to go about it (e.g. just playing around with the instrument, trying to play things). I did try looking for a MIDI file of the track and I found one, but it didn't have that particular section in it. Thanks for offering to try. --80.229.152.246 20:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I've just noticed something that may be useful. The part that I mainly want (i.e. the second piano) is balanced towards the left side about half way through the excerpt, when it comes in. As such, I can now actually hear what notes belong to which part. I may be able to do it on my own now, if I'm lucky. --80.229.152.246 20:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Learning bass guitar vs electric guitar

Is a bass guitar easier to learn to play than an electric guitar? I would presume it is, since you rarely play chords on it, correct? I just want to be able to play along with some songs, and I've tried piano and electric guitars before but I seem to lose interesting in those quickly since it seems it takes a while to get to play basic stuff. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rc251dc (talk • contribs) 22:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

I myself am interested in buying a bass guitar and learning how to play it. When I was younger I had a few accoustic guitar lessons and bought an electric guitar. Unfortunately, due to funny genetics, I have bumps on the back of my fingertips that deaden the next string when placed on electric guitar frets (due to the strings being closer together than on an electric guitar). While it may seem that a bass guitar is an easier instrument to play (less chords, fewer strings), this is not necessarily the case. There are some very easy electric guitar pieces and some very hard bass guitar pieces, and vice versa (for an example of a spectacular bass solo, have a look at this). Also, bear in mind that electric guitars and bass guitars have different roles, bass guitars are normally used to provide bass lines and the backing for a melody to be built upon. An electric guitar is mainly used for the main melody or for harmony with the use of chords. All in all, it's a matter of personal preference. I would suggest sticking with the piano/electric guitar for a bit longer and see if you can get into it a bit more. If not, try the bass guitar. Don't forget to look at some tab sites (such as 911tabs.com for your favourite songs (these normally have relatively easy versions of most songs). Whatever you decide to do, enjoy it! --80.229.152.246 23:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Well I play both bass and electric guitar, though I greatly prefer electric. I, similairly to you, tended to loose interest in learning at first, but then I discovered guitar/bass tabs. I don't know if you have tried this or not, but if that isnt or wasnt enough, I have a wonderful recomendation for a source of tabs. Try http://www.ultimate-guitar.com . If all of THAT isn't enough, and if you use a windows (Microsoft) computer I further suggest downloading Power Tabs (or Guitar Tabs, which is said to be the better of the two, but you can only get a one week demo version unless you buy it for around $60) which is why I suggest Power Tabs, the free, almost identical version. These allow you to both see and here what you're supposed to play. I presume you have atleast one or two songs you want to learn to play (if not, go with simple things, not much with chords, like nursary rhymes or tv show or video game theme songs) Since you are just learning, it doesnt matter whether you pick electric guitar or bass guitar as you can play the same things on either instrument. (unless you plan on using all 6 strings of the electric guitar, which is why I suggest that) I've started learning piano recently, mainly chords, and what music teachers usually tell you (or told me when I was younger) is that you should learn piano/keyboard before anything else, as it would make it easier. I dont find this the case, I found that after playing guitar it's much easier to learn the piano. (Most likely a finger dexterety thing...) --Response - Oliver Baker

If you are playing the bass guitar properly, you need at least one note on every beat of the bar. With rhythm guitar, you may play the same chord 4 times in one bar so rhythm in that respect is easier. however, If you are talking self acccompianment on guitar, then it may get more difficult, as you have to play the harmony and melody at the same time. If you are having to read the music in a number of different lines etc, I would say the guitar (like the piano) is more difficult than the bass —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.111.119.240 (talk) 19:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC).

Bullying

I have a friend that is bullied by both 6th grade teachers and all the students except me and another boy. Could someone help me out? I think it is a requirement to get to the next grade to pick on this kid. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.31.47.130 (talk) 23:59, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

I think this is something you would be better off talking to a parent or teacher about. There isn't anything practical that anyone here can do to help. Good luck. - Eron ^Talk 00:01, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

A) the teachers pick on him (B) I have talked to parents. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.31.47.130 (talk) 00:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC).

I don't know where you live, but have you looked into calling a children's help line. I know that in Canada there is a Kid's help phone that is there to provide help and counselling for kids in difficult situations like this. Perhaps there is one in your area. - Eron ^Talk 00:11, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

A small Kentucky county in the hills and no we don't have one. 71.31.47.130 00:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Try talking to other teacher (who don't bully), school counselors, and the principal, vice principal, etc., until you find someone who listens. Be sure to get as many parents involved as possible. Go to a school board meeting and complain, if that doesn't work. StuRat 00:20, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

There are links to some resources here. And for hotlines, try this page. Good luck. - Eron ^Talk 00:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

This teacher bullies on all the kids in his room and has been complained on to the principal and the board. No action has been taken. 71.31.47.130 00:36, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Can you give an example of this "bullying"?--$UIT 01:40, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

If all else fails, and the school doesn't take any action, change schools. --Candy-Panda 03:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I think this was a good suggestion. A.Z. 03:50, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Homeschooling. It's the only answer. Trust me, I've been through the shit public schools do at their worst, I've been charged with battery for bumping into a kid, I've been scapegoated and abused. I've been neglected, locked in a closet, and nearly fainted because schools can't hire people that recognize that chlorine CAN be an allergy and haven't even heard of it being used as a biological weapon, who can't realize it's something you shouldn't be inhaling a large amount of. I've been picked on, harassed, assaulted, and nearly suspended for things that had no proof but untrustworthy students' words (The next day, they confessed, because I sure as hell wasn't going to, and I suppose they didn't want their parents to find out.) Four years of homeschooling later, I have a GED, and will likely be attending college early enough that I will have a Bachelor's Degree before the public schools would have gotten me a high school diploma. Beg your parents, plead with your parents, tell your parents you'll make sacrifices (such as games, toys, TV, etc.) and MEAN IT. Appeal to your parents. Your dad play football in high school? Tell him you'll join a community team (almost all counties have sports programs nowadays). Tell your mom you'll let her teach you Home Ec- and you'll start helping cook and clean. Do whatever you can to get out of there, it does not get better -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 05:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

That's really good advice! The only thing is that the kid needs to continue having social relations somewhere outside of school. Well, in this case the kid doesn't seem to have any relations in school anyway, so I would not say to "continue" having friends, but actually building some sort of relationship with other people besides their family is important. A.Z. 05:20, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, do make friends. For your own benefit. It's not related to your education in any way, but please take my advice, and make good friends. Don't make friends for the sake of making friends. Make friends with people that will have your back when things get rough, not who have no interest in you other than playing video games and seeing movies. That's the one thing I regret, I have friends all over the world, but only one I can reach out and touch, invite over for dinner, fall asleep watching a cheesy movie with. I was never in social situations in school (for obvious reasons above), and I never made an attempt to meet people afterwards. The last time I actually said anything to someone not related to me was easily two weeks ago. The internet is great, and talking to people all over the planet can be very interesting, but it's no substitute for a good hi-five or a hug. -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 05:35, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I think homeschooling is a bit extreme, you have to at least try changing schools first because things could be better. I was bullied for the first two years of highschool by people in my class. Just to name a few things, I got sand pelted at me on school camp, I got a wolf spider put in my dress and top it all off, while I was at home getting ready to leave the school, my locker got set on fire. I tried changing classes but I couldn't (year level was too full), I tried getting them out of all my subjects but I couldn't, the teacher had spoken to them and punished them numerous times but it made no difference. Finally at the start of this year (9th grade) I decided I'd had enough, so I changed schools. And you know what? It was the best decision I ever made! I thought things would be the same no matter what school I went to, but the atmosphere here is totally different. I've got awesome friends, better subjects, better uniform, better classmates, a better reputation and I'm so much happier! Not all public schools are the same, you can make the change for the better! --Candy-Panda 06:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I doubt it. Kids that get picked on that badly generally don't fare much better at other schools. The stuff I was talking about was spread across four different schools. Public schools have somewhat of a mob mentality, either you get along with the group or you don't, and when you're rejected at one school you're typically rejected at another (this is not just based off my experience, I've talked to other people with the same opinion). If it's just people in one class, yeah, changing schools can help, however this seems like a schoolwide problem. And just FYI, homeschooling isn't extreme in the least bit, it's not nearly as extreme as other measures, such as moving (which is required in some areas to change schools), or worse.

I do want to say, now that I think of it, to be sure to let your friend know that other students dislike him because he is different from them. And that being different isn't bad. Nobody who is exactly the same as everyone else has ever lived an interesting life, or will ever go down in history. It's the difference in people that makes them good, not fitting into a group. Having things in common with someone can make for a good friend, but if people share the same opinions on everything, if they're always the same, then conversation is as pointless and boring as a waterproof lighter. -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 06:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

On a side note, if this kid is 6th grade, wont he be graduating soon? If so then he'll be changing schools automatically at the end of the school year and he wont have to worry about the people at his elementary school anymore! --Candy-Panda 07:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Again, I doubt this. First of all, in a lot of places, 6th grade is the start of Middle School, not the end of elementary, and secondly, even if it is true, most of the kids from his elementary school will feed into his next school. In fact, if anything, it'll get worse because there will be more people to harass him. -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 07:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh I see, here in Australia 6th grade is the end of elementary, and highschool goes from 7 to 12 with no middle school. Anyway I think this kid's options depend on where he lives. If there is another school in the area that he can go to I think he should at least try changing, it might be better for him, but he wont know until he tries. Save homeschooling as a last resort. If he's at home all the time he wont develop proper social skills and wont know how to deal with the real world, which is a lot like school. --Candy-Panda 07:39, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

As I said above, it is still important to socialize, however homeschooling is nowhere near a last resort. Not to mention, 'home all the time' is very untrue, potentially more untrue for homeschooled students than public schooled ones. Consider the fact that kids in public school are typically saddled with a lot of work that doesn't actually help them, to compensate for slower students, and that kids are spending at least 2/3rds of their day on school in a public school enviroment (I won't say traditional, because traditionally kids were taught at home), compared to a homeschooled child, who can be taught while on vacation, at a friend's house, in a car, or nearly anywhere, depending on the child's ability to focus. There's no reason to hold homeschooling as a last resort, as in 99% of cases, it's beneficial to the child, especially if the parent truly takes an interest in it. -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 08:22, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

changing schools should not be a choice you have to make. Does this teacher pick on you as well? honestly if you really believe that this teacher is picking on this student and no one else listens then you should say something to the teacher. i know it is scary but i have had to stand up to teachers a few times in my life and i am only in high school. they usually do listen. The worst that can happen is that the teacher ignores your comment. tell him/ her that you don't believe in saying or doing things like that in your household and that it offends you. Even though the bullying in not towards you it does effects you..obviously or you wouldn't be writing this. Let them know it effects you and hope that it changes. Several of my teachers have seen my side and changed at least a little. i know bullying happens but there is no reason why you should have to endure it in your classroom. and especially by the people that you are suppose to respect. i could never respect a teacher like that. And you can tell them exactly how you feel. It might suprise you how much they actually listen. i hope everything goes well. --Kittycat rox 19:50, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

All right Phoeba!!! As a homeschooler myself I’m very happy to see your insightful comments. I totally agree. Homeschoolers often can work more efficiently than school kids, they avoid all the nonsense that goes on in schools, and they really do get plenty of socialization. I think people who question homeschoolers social skills are actually worried that we might not see enough of the opposite sex :-) Well I can assure you that all such worries are unfounded. My schedule is often so packed with extracurricular activities that I have little or no time to write on Wikipedia in a day. Okay, I guess this thread is turning into a debate, so, in response to the original questioner. . . Most people seem to have assumed that YOU are the one who is being bullied. If this is indeed the case then homeschooling is defiantly possibly the best option. This might also be of interest to you. If it really is another kid you are trying to help, than I suggest you: 1) give him as much encouragement as you can. 2) try to encourage him to stand up for himself and not take verbal bullying. 3) make sure he is not being physically abused. If so report this to the police. You can do it anonymously if you want. 4) find an adult who is in a position of power and can help. Try school officials first. Than if that doesn’t work seek help from a parent, or other member of the community that you trust. Good luck! S.dedalus 20:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, and very unfairly, most of the criticism that I've heard about homeschooling is that (and just to be clear: I don't believe this for a moment) most homeschoolers desperately, desperately want to instill vicious homophobia, racism, and sexism into their kids, and are terrified that the public and private school systems are going to "corrupt" their children into being decent, tolerant human beings instead of raving screaming hate-filled bigots. In fact, that's the biggest hurdle my neighbours (who homeschool) have had - their reasons for homeschooling are that they don't think the local schools' curricula are based enough on science, but they get accused constantly of narrow-mindedness and hatred simply because they homeschool. And by constantly I mean almost every day. --Charlene 06:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Sadly, mostly true, at least in America. I remember going to a home schooling convention when I was younger. Pretty much every premade curriculum was very religion based, there was even some group there showing how evolution is 'impossible'. I wanted to debate it with them, but my mom wouldn't let me XD Still though, to this day, I have no idea what they were doing at a home schooling convention, they didn't seem to have anything to do with it. -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 23:31, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Why won't anyone just focus on this kid. He obviously needs help and you guys are arguing about homeschooling. is this what we want him to learn. Hey kid...dont run from the problems. Homeschooling will not just fix everything, That same kid will still be picked on. You could help stop it as i see that you have tried by talking to other teachers. I thank you for that. So many others would just run from the situation and i respect you a lot for trying to help this. Write down some of the things he says and does and try to get some help from it. You have a good start to helping this. Keep trying is all i can say. Try talking to anyone that you think you trust and will listen. if you get support it will help. Either that or get the rest or majority of the class to support you. If the principle sees that several ppl see it then it obviously exists and should be changed. Keep trying. Thank you for helping this kid. --Kittycat rox 17:27, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I'm not offering homeschooling as a way to 'run' from his problems. I'm suggesting homeschooling as an overall better (in most cases) schooling enviroment, that would also fix his problems -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 23:31, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Many people here have offered their advice; including the four points I suggested above. However, there is a limited amount Wikipedia can do to help with this situation. S.dedalus 20:05, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

sorry if i came off as rude. I am just not a fan of homeschooling after my brother went through it. Kids need to learn life lessons that can not just come from homeschooling. They come from life and interacting with people. public and private schools allow for that to happen...good and bad. of course do not run form the situation but rather than not following through with the school program because of one little glitch my opinion is to face it head on. i know we can only do so much to help and i did not mean to offend. i was just offering my opinions in hopes that they help some. it may get the kid through this and teach him a lesson about standing up for what is right. Whatever you decide to do kid...it's your choice. do what you think is right. if you think getting away from the situation completetly would be better...do it. i am sure you have much support fro most of us on here.--Kittycat rox 23:56, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

No offense meant, and I don't want to go off the topic, but assuming all homeschooling has flaws because of your brother's experience is as flawed as saying that all cars will get into deadly collisions because of your brother's experience. Still, you don't see many people out to stop people from driving, do you? I'm not going to debate this point with you, but please stop claiming that all, or even most homeschooled kids are unable to socialize or deal with life, as it's simply not true. The amount of kids that are unable to socialize ONLY because of homeschooling is A: Entirely the fault of the parents, and B: Most likely much lower than the amount of kids unable to socialize because of their experience in private/public schools. -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 09:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

this is not at all what i was trying to say. i was trying to say that i am not a fan because it is harder for some to make friends because they are not constantly around them as they would be in a school setting. If the kid thinks that it will solve his/her problem than okay..go do it. there is no one here telling him not to. i just mentioned a possible consequence that has happen before and the reason I personally do not like it. no one has to share this attitude. i just thought with everyone else suggesting homeschool that I could come up with another solution so that it was not their only choice. You are right that thinking that way is not always good but it helps me and it could help another person with the same view. ....homeschool. its cool. it can be fun. the same goes for public and private schooling. Whatever is best for the kid is all that i want. --Kittycat rox 21:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)