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Ioannis K freighter on List of shipwrecks in 1968

The coordinates given on that page take one to Wikipedia Maps to the deep sea far south of Vung Tau, Vietnam. I photographed the Ioannis K freighter in May of 1969. It was grounded at the shoreline on the coast, not in the deep sea. I would like to change the coordinates, but, the Google.com/maps coordinates (decimal coords) end up back in the deep sea again when you click on the Wikipedia page. It seems that the Wikipedia Maps Beta is out of kilter, but not certain of that. I would like to add the coordinates and a photo or two of the grounded ship.

The Wikipedia entry has coordinates of: 10.14N, 107.05 E

1. Here are the google.com/map coordinates that match my photo (as close as possible since it was before GPS in cameras): 10°19'20.9"N 107°05'06.3"E 10.322472, 107.085083

2. I am not clear how to add the photos, if they might be desired. Including here for evaluation, if possible.

3. One key indicator in my photo is the tiny island of Hòn Bà (confirmed) that is just behind the freighter, and it shows the freighter right at the coastline.

4. My estimate of the location (coordinates above) is approximate but much closer than the original page shows.

5. If someone could check the coordinates against both the google maps and wikipedia maps, that would be helpful.

6. And I think it would enhance the entry to have the two photos of the freighter.

File:17Vietnam Area710-Edit.jpg

Ioannis K. freighter as it was grounded - photo May 1969.

File:17Vietnam Area706.jpg

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetasig (talk • contribs) 21:52, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Thetasig. What a wonderfully complex question! I do appreciate your concerns, having spent much of my working life handling mapable data at various levels of accuracy (albeit in OSGB grid refs, not lat long), and trying to iron out obvious recording flaws that, if unchallenged, could ricochet down the years. So I know how frustrating it is to see such errors reproduced.

I can see that your rather superb photo was taken very near this point, here. Yet the so-called reliable source used to give the coordinates was a very coarse and clearly wrong figure. So, what to do? Hmm, so, first I'd suggest you edit your uploaded photo to include not only the correct coordinates (as you assert them to be) but also to note your concerns over the stated source of the cited coordinates on Wikipedia. I might then place a note on the talk page of the List article, expressing your concerns over the wrong coordinates and stating what you intend to do. After waiting a few days to a week, if no comments were forthcoming, I'd update the coordinates for Ioannis K and insert a footnote to explain the disparity between the WP:RS and your edits. It seems unlikely to me that there will be another published source available that actually corrects the error, and Wikipedia is in a fantastic position to perpetuate errors if it's not careful. So, providing you clearly explain, step-by-step, how the new coordinates have replace the erroneous one, you cannot do much more. I realise you might, potentially, have faked the image, made up the new lat/long coordinates and set out to damage the Wikipedia page - but somehow that seems a ridiculous view to take. Providing any user can work back to understand the process of revising the coordinates, you can do no more. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:25, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Thetasig. While I believe you uploaded the photos to Commons in good faith, it appears that you just uploaded scans of the photos. The copyirght ownership of a 2019 scan of a 1969 photo probably would be best verified by sending a WP:CONSENT email to Wikimedia OTRS since it will make it clear that you are the photographer who took the photos. You should also be aware as the photograper that by making a free version available to Commons, you are essentially agreeing to c:Commons:Licensing and c:Commons:License revocation; in other words, you're basically giving advance permission to anyone anywhere in the world to download the file at anytime for any purpose (inlcuding commercial and derivative use) in perpetuity. The best you can do is require that you'd be given attribution as the photographer anytime someone else uses the photo, but that's about it. So,if you're not willing to do this, you should considered nominating the files for speedy deletion from Commons per item 7 of c:Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion#General reasons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:58, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Continuous editing conflict

I've been an editor for a few years without a problem ever editing. For the last couple of months, every time I try to publish an edit I receive a conflict for simultaneous editing, and the page is returned to its original status. However, looking at the editing history one can see that the last two comments are mine, the last one is like the original page and the one before is like what I wanted to change. Following is the last example https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Outlander_(TV_series)&action=history. My username is gciriani, but I'm now able to make entries only if I'm logged out. I suspect some setting has changed in my profile that shows me editing from two different devices, and from here the conflict. What shall I look or change to solve this problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:19A:8200:E356:F042:1D19:A6E:CAAE (talk) 02:17, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Is your browser opening two windows by chance???

Second thought - have you tried logging out of Wikipedia... then log back in?

Third thought, reset your preferences to the default, log out, log back in.... Regards, Ariconte (talk) 05:11, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

The edits to which you link were made, so you can ignore the edit conflict. It is probably caused by clicking "Publish changes" twice. Dbfirs 06:34, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Comment: This identical question was also posted at the Help Desk. It wastes volunteer effort and causes some irritation whenever someone posts the identical question in two help fora at once. In future, please wait at least 24 hrs before seeking input elsewhere if your question isn't answered. Many thanks. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:00, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

My page draft got rejected

I created a page for one of my Company's products, which is an open source eCommerce solution. I see that there are pages for other open source eCommerce solutions. Kindly help me. What steps do I need to take to get the page published? User:Smitha.piccosoft —Preceding undated comment added 10:43, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello @Smitha.piccosoft:, you seem to have a common misconception about what Wikipedia is. We are not a soapbox. Wikipedia is not Google Ads. I’m sorry, but Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia, for notable stuff only.

Your company isn’t notable enough to be a Wikipedia article. We’re not an advertising platform. Here are steps to take if you want Wikipedia to have an article about you!

••

Steps to take

• Become notable, like try to get the mass media to mention you, or post something on your website and wait for others to cite it and use them as secondary sources for your article.
• Look for references to your company
• Ask somebody that’s not part of your company to write the article, or you can do it yourself. If you choose to do it yourself, please make sure your article is free of puffery. An example of puffery follows.
  • Instead of writing an article about your company when it’s notable that says: [COMPANY] is the leading company offering advanced e-Commerce services in many countries. Our company uses cutting-edge technology to ensure reliable, and desirable service for you, instead write something like: [COMPANY] is an e-Commerce company based in [TOWN], [COUNTRY]. It was founded in [YEAR].
  • Refer to this page for info about puffery.
• Also, be careful about the conflict of interest. Conflict of interest is when following one interest would mean contradicting another interest. Example: You are able to write the article about your company. You want to use promotional language to further your conpany, but you’re contradicting Wikipedian interests, like neutrality, and more.
• Now that you cleared the basics, write your article in the big box, or if you want, use a text editor and improve your article there, and then copypasta it to Wikipedia, in Draft namespace, then add {{AFC submission}} to the article, and then hope for the best.
• If it gets approved, hooray.
• If it gets declined, oof. Go back to the last step, and maybe add more references. Also refer to the reviewer’s comment and learn from that. Be persistent.

Sincerely,

A diehard editor (talk) 01:28, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Please also read WP:PAID and WP:COI. The latter expands upon the advice given above, but both contain steps you must take before starting to edit anything to do with your company. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:28, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Have added a new wiki page for my company

Hi there

I have added a wiki page for my company "Muvi". The details are in the link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jayadeep_Subhashis/sandbox

I am confused about what to do next? Is it under review? Is somebody already reviewing it? When can I get it published permanently etc.? Can somebody help here, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayadeep Subhashis (talk • contribs) 08:17, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Jayadeep Subhashis: - First, and most important, if you are here to work on an article about your own company then you must read WP:PAID and follow the guidance it provides about declaring yourself as a paid editor. I am going to also leave a warning on your talk page to this effect - apologies if that seems rude, but it means that any future editors visiting your page will know that you have been warned about paid editing. As for the draft, if you did not already submit it via the wizard, you can do so by pasting {{subst:submit}} at the top. It is then likely to be reviewed in a few days or weeks, but there is no set timeline. However do not do this until you have placed the necessary Paid Editing declaration on your userpage.

On a final note, however, your draft is almost certain to be rejected in its current form. It has no sources whatsoever, and appears highly promotional. My advice to you would not be to submit it until it is neutrally written, with every single statement backed up by high quality, independent, reliable sources. If you cannot achieve that, then unfortunately the company is probably not ready to have an article on Wikipedia. Hug^syrup 08:52, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Jayadeep Subhashis: I would correct your language slightly; Wikipedia does not have "wiki pages". Wikipedia has articles about subjects like companies. Companies must be shown with significant coverage(not brief mentions, press releases, or routine announcements) in independent reliable sources that show how the company meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. Merely existing is not sufficient reason to merit an article. Further, Wikipedia is not interested in what a company wants to say about itself, only in what independent sources have said about it. Wikipedia is also unconcerned with enhancing search results for your company. If you just want to tell the world about your company, you should use your own website or social media, not Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 09:46, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I want to write about a Poet-translator

Hi Dear I Work for a Poet translator and he lives in IRAN . He Is very famous in Poet Translating in English to Persian and vice versa.Please Help Me to write about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by M-astaraki (talk • contribs) 07:07, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi M-astaraki, and welcome to the Teahouse. First, you need to declare your WP:Conflict of interest and WP:Paid status. Secondly, you need to collect independent WP:Reliable sources in which the subject has been discussed at length, and your article should summarise in your own words what these references say. You should not use your own knowledge of the subject. If you cannot find suitable references, then maybe your poet translator is not yet notable in the Wikipedia sense. You might like to use WP:Articles for creation to guide you. Dbfirs 07:20, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

This appears to be about Saeed Saeedpour. Your draft was deleted. As Dbfirs mentioned, if there are not independently written, published articles about Mr. Saeedpour, then he cannot meet Wikipedia's definition of notability, and thus not an appropriate subject of an article. Second and required, if you are paid by him, you must declare that information on your User page. David notMD (talk) 11:23, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Taxonbar template

Hi. I have created a page called Ecocrop, which is a plant identifier database. I am in the process of addressing the reviewer's comment that it is an orphan. I found that many species of plants contain Ecocrop in the Taxon identifier box (template: Q2351541) found at the bottom of their respective pages. I would like to add a link to the Ecocrop entry in the template but I do not know how to go about this (e.g. edit the template, discuss if its possible, or ask someone who can). Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! Darwin Naz (talk) 11:32, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

It looks as if the place that needs a modification is Module:Taxonbar/conf. That is protected, so you'd need to request on the talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:57, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks David Biddulph! Darwin Naz (talk) 12:11, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I would like help submitting a company to wiki that gets accepted

Hello there,

I would like help submitting a company to wiki that gets accepted.

Thank you, Brian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianhowes1024 (talk • contribs) 13:17, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Brianhowes1024: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Based on your draft, I think that you have a common misunderstanding as to what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a place to merely tell about a company. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about article subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Companies must meet Wikipedia's definition of a notable company. As such, not every company merits an article here, even within the same field. If no independent sources have given significant coverage(not press releases, the company website, brief mentions, or routine announcements) to this company, it would not merit an article here at this time.

If you are associated with this company, you will need to review and comply with the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy. Please understand that Wikipedia has no interest in what a company wants to say about itself, only in what independent sources state. 331dot (talk) 13:22, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Uploading VIRIN Images from DOD - Copyrighted?

I am trying to upload a profile photo for a Civil War Medal of Honor recipient (George Davis) as his profile box is missing an image. The DoD has one located here: https://www.defense.gov/explore/story/Article/1723334/medal-of-honor-monday-army-1st-lt-george-e-davis/

Downloading the image is easy enough. However, does the DoD own a copyright on these images? How are these credited? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjzwick (talk • contribs) 14:51, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Mjzwick: I'd like to see another opinion, but I believe most works by the US government are in the public domain(especially of something historical). 331dot (talk) 14:54, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

The photo is self-evidently well over a century old, any copright that might have existed has surely expired by now. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:42, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Mjzwick. Images created by US government employees on the job are copyright free. Copyright has expired on any photo published before 1924. Go ahead and add the photo. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:44, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Question

What I'm I suppose to do in the teahouse? — Preceding unsigned comment added by John Tamara Stephen (talk • contribs) 16:24, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Welcome @John Tamara Stephen:. You are supposed to ask questions, which you have, and now I've answered it. Hug^syrup 16:26, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

John Tamara Stephen Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place for new users to ask questions about using Wikipedia. Do you have any questions? 331dot (talk) 16:27, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Box on the Far Right

Hi,

I finally figured out how you make the box on the far right, but it doesn't look like the normal Wikipedia margin-box. In mine, the words are centered, and I can't seem to apply formatting.

What am I missing?

Thanks

J.J. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jujereh215 (talk • contribs) 16:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Jujereh215: - welcome to the Teahouse. It looks as if you are using Template:sidebar. I suspect you want Template:Infobox. You can find lots of infox templates here. Hug^syrup 16:16, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll give that a try! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jujereh215 (talk • contribs) 16:42, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Threats

Hi! I was threated by ukrainian far-right radicals in my user talk page [1]. They claimed, that I will be pursued and they want to severly punished me "as dog". I mainly active in Russian Wikipedia and don't know where to turn with this problem. --Mieczysław Podolski (talk) 10:24, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Mieczysław Podolski I have blocked the IP that made that post; you may wish to follow the instructions at WP:EMERGENCY to report this to the Foundation. 331dot (talk) 10:31, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@331dot: I would encourage Mieczysław Podolski to delete that post and for you to also revdel it and temporily semi-protect their user page, too. The translation is not nice, and should not remain on view in their user page or edit history. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:25, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I've revdeleted. 331dot (talk) 11:28, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Now protected and removed, too. 331dot (talk) 11:30, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

You forgot to hide SineBot's revision (which still has that translation). theinstantmatrix (talk) 12:57, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Done. Lectonar (talk) 13:15, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

This man have access to Wikimedia Foundation. Somehow he read my letter, that I send to emergency@wikimedia.org and continue to threat me.--Mieczysław Podolski (talk) 14:39, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Did you send it using the webform on Wikipedia, or your personal email? 331dot (talk) 14:45, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Personal email, but without my real name.--Mieczysław Podolski (talk) 15:22, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

And also, did they cite any specifics about your email? There is a possibility that he read what was discussed here and was referring to that. CLCStudent (talk) 14:45, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

He is reffering to statements, that was only in e-mail.--Mieczysław Podolski (talk) 15:22, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm wondering if your computer, device, or email has been hacked; they may have accessed your personal email. It's extremely unlikely that this individual has access into the Foundation. 331dot (talk) 15:27, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

In this case they have more information about me, but they don't.--Mieczysław Podolski (talk) 15:59, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Okay. Problem solved. This was maniac, that terrorised russian wikipedists. He do this for many years and have a lot of expirience. This man do many preparation and eventually strike their victims. He bluffed and did that so well. Excuse for troubling.--Mieczysław Podolski (talk) 18:17, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

New person

Hi, I have two questions. Can I work on my article in drafts, saving it somewhere out of view, or do I have to submit it all at once? I suppose I could save it on Word.doc until it's ready to submit. Is that the best way to do this?

Also, if I successfully get an article up on Wikipedia, is that something to put on a resume, or no?

Thanks! Slowmusketeer 11:50, 19 August 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.210.132.242 (talk)

Slowmusketeer Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Make sure you are logged in when you post so your posts are properly attributed to your account. If you don't want your work visible until you submit it, you should save it off Wikipedia. While drafts are not indexed by search engines like Google, edits to them appear in the Recent Changes feed, which is monitored by thousands of people.

I guess you could put that you created an article on your resume, if you think it relevant to prospective employers, but creating an article is no guarantee that it will remain, and doing so does not require special skills. 331dot (talk) 19:01, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Slowmusketeer: See also Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Being on Wikipedia is likely not a relevant point for a resume.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Slowmusketeer 14:11, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Creating A New Page

How can I create a page from the scratch is it possible? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aubreezy (talk • contribs) 19:50, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Aubreezy: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Successfully creating a new article(not just "page") is probably the hardest task on Wikipedia. It takes much time and practice. New users who dive right in to creating articles without a full understanding of the process often end up disappointed and with hurt feelings as their work that they spent hours on is mercilessly edited and deleted by others. I don't want to see that happen to you. This is why I would suggest that you first spend much time(weeks or even months) editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is being looked for in new articles. Starting small with minor edits, then moving up to more substantive additions, and lastly moving into article creation usually leads to more success at it. You may also wish to use the new user tutorial.

However, if you still want to attempt to create an article, you should first read Your First Article, and then use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review by another editor. This way, you find any problems and get feedback before the draft is formally placed in the encyclopedia, instead of afterwards when it will be treated more critically. 331dot (talk) 19:56, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

How to deep link in a Wikipedia article

Is there a way to link to a specific spot in a Wikipedia article? I would like to add a link to the section titled Books in the Rosie O'Donnell article (to around this spot in the RD Wikipedia article: "...and an HBO special was made based on the books." The link is FROM the Ken Kimmelman article under the heading Television--linked to Twinkle Twinkle. (Twinkle Twinkle is the animation based on the Rosie O'Donnell book--made by HBO). Thank you for your help. I've never done a deep link in a Wikipedia article. Lore E. Mariano (talk) 20:40, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

LoreMariano Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You need to put a number sign(#) in the link followed by the section header of the part of the article you want to end up at. Example:[[Article title#Section header]] 331dot (talk) 20:45, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@LoreMariano: See Template:Anchor for how to do it when the link should not lead to a section heading. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:33, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

How do I fix Twitter reference errors

Often when I input a tweet as a reference, it shows an error saying "line feed character in |title= at position 181" or something like that. I would like to know why it doees that and how to fix it. MrCheese76 (talk) 23:21, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi MrCheese76, welcome to the Teahouse. It looks like the issue you're having is at Team Vitality. The "line feed" error refers to the fact that you've entered titles that include multiple lines. The reference template is expecting the title to be on a single line. You can avoid that error by removing the newlines, and you could also consider using the more specific {{Cite tweet}} template. However, please do note the warning at the top of that template: Tweets are usually unacceptable as sources. There's more information about the circumstances in which they can be acceptable at WP:BLOGS and WP:TWITTER. In general, it's better to use secondary sources. I haven't looked into this particular case, but if you have more questions you can always ask again here (please put new questions at the bottom of the page). I hope this helps you. › Mortee _talk 00:12, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Living People Category

Hello! I have been editing on Wikipedia for about a month now and as i'm looking at categories in biographies i've been wondering if the living people category should go next to ''insert year here'' births or should just stay in alphabetical order? I personally feel that it should go to the very top with the year of birth category so its easier to see it but I wanted to get feedback. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by HappyBoi3892 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi HappyBoi3892, welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know of any general rules about what order categories should go in that would apply here. There's not much at MOS:CATORDER, for example. I can see the logic of putting birth-related categories together, but it makes such a small difference to the article either way that I don't think it would be worth doing that as a project of its own. If you're editing page categories for other reasons and you feel like changing the order at the same time, I don't see an issue with that. Sorry if this is a bit vague. Happy hunting, and if you have any more questions do post them here. (You can sign your post with ~~~~). All the best, › Mortee _talk 00:19, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Can I filter an Article's Revision History by section?

Some pages are overviews of a topic that contain sections from very different perspectives. For example: Wisdom#Psychological_perspectives vs Wisdom#Ancient_Near_East. I'm interested in seeing only the revision history of one section. I've read Help:Page_history but I don't see any tool that would enable this use case. Given that sections are displayed next to the revision's line in the history, I would think this would be possible. Is there a way to apply this filter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crosleyj (talk • contribs) 18:28, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Crosleyj. Unless other editors find a way to do that, I do not think it is possible to do that. Interstellarity (talk) 20:28, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't believe so. I don't believe that the section is automatically identified in the history, although in some circumstances the section name might be included in the edit summary. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:57, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

I would concur, I don't believe the software allows for such a function. The best you can do would be to(as noted) examine the edit history to see if a particular section header appears in the edit summary, though if users edited the page as a whole, that would not help. 331dot (talk) 20:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

@Crosleyj: Whilst agreeing with all the above -there is no way to display section histories - I might be able to offer you a couple of partial solutions to assist you.

1. First off, you could display every single edit of the article on one whole page (page stats show it has had 2,070 edits since it was created in 2002.) Then you could text search for edits that include the section name. To show them all, go to edit history, then and select 'older 500'. Now look in the url bar and you'll see it displays as: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wisdom&offset=&limit=500&action=history So, just change the 500 to 5000 and press return. After a while you'll see every edit, ever, made to that article on one page. Now you can use text-search (usually Ctrl-F) for the section name (assuming that either that single section was edited, or that it was explicitly named in the edit summary if the whole page was edited.) I note there are 100 occurrences of "Psychological perspectives" and just 4 of "Ancient Near East". Be aware that section headings can change over time, so you might wish to drop in on annual edits and check out the article structure.
2. The next suggestion is to look for particular text strings you either like or dislike within the current article and search on when they were first added. There is a tool called WikBlame you can use for this. See http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/wikiblame.php I chose to use it to find out when this text was inserted: "Divine Wisdom allowed the provident designation of functions and the ordering of the cosmos". Although I rarely use it, I quickly found that phrase was inserted with this diff on 16 Aug 2019.

Whether these kinds of searches are actually of help to you, I really don't know. Perhaps you'd let us know? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:56, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks all. Some good ideas here. I think I can use wikiblame or searching through the Revision History on a single page to find the interesting changes in sections. Crosleyj (talk) 01:10, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Edit a Template Protected Page

Hi,

I am inquiring on behalf of Ms. Holly Ham, who wishes to edit her own Wikipedia entry titled: Holly Ham. However, her page is template protected with a pink lock symbol, and the page was created for her.

This is the original page that contains the link to Ms. Ham's page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_appointments_by_Donald_Trump

This is Ms. Ham's page: Wikipedia.org/wiki/holly_ham https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:New_user_landing_page&page=Holly+ham

How can we edit her template protected page that was created for her? Thank you so much for your help!

Best regards! — Preceding unsigned comment added by WashingtonDC123 (talk • contribs) 17:12, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@WashingtonDC123: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, you should read the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy as there are some required disclosures that you must make. As you have a conflict of interest, you (and Holly Ham) should not directly edit about Holly Ham even if the page was not protected. However, you may make a formal edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page, detailing what changes you feel are needed. That said, Political appointments by Donald Trump is not protected, and the link to the page about Holly Ham does not work for me. There are no other edits from your account(other than to this page) so I can't find the page.

Also note that accounts may not be shared and must be exclusively operated by a single individual. 331dot (talk) 17:20, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by WashingtonDC123 (talk • contribs) 20:49, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Please note, WashingtonDC123 that it is not her page, and it should not have been created for her. It is Wikipedia's article about her, and almost everything in it should be summarised from reliable published sources wholly unconnected with her. Anything she, or her associates, say about her (whether in their own publications, or in interviews or press releases) does not belong in the article unless it has been reported or discussed by an independent source. --ColinFine (talk) 22:06, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Courtesy: This is about Draft:Holly Ham, which has not yet been submitted. It was created by WashingtonDC123, who has declared COI on User page. David notMD (talk) 01:39, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Writing a Wikipedia article

Hello everybody, i am seeking help writing a Wikipedia article for a person that i believe should have recognition here for the work that he has done and continues to do in Africa. How do i go about writing this biography in a manner that does not seem to be promoting him. I have a draft that has already been deleted previously.

--OLIVIAHNOAH (talk) 03:07, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

In Wikipedia, it is not sufficient that you believe he should have recognition here, you need to find independent WP:Reliable sources in which the subject has been written about at length, and the article should summarise these sources in your own words. Using such references is the only way that you can establish notability in the Wikipedia sense. Dbfirs 07:19, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. (Dbfirs) I am looking into more WP:Reliable sources for his reference. --OLIVIAHNOAH (talk) 01:46, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of Page of Timorty Winter

Hello, this is M Winter. I am a wife of Tim Winter. Apparently the page is no longer applicable to Tim Winter. Many information in it were not correct, thus leaving him in dismay. Though the page was published long time ago, but he only realised is now the content were so awfully fake and fabricated.

He has been trying to locate the person who did the page but to no avail. We too were trying to delete some of the information but it was restored. What the hell embarrassment !!

We terribly found that the wikepedia page is not user friendly at all. Unlike facebook account where deletion is made easy and friendly.

We really urge the wikepedia experts and specialists to delete this page immediately.

Timorty Winter can be contacted at : (redacted)

Thank you & best rgds

M Winter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:D08:1203:DA1B:7C33:46A7:920E:EDE7 (talk) 19:38, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I have redacted your contact information for your protection, it is not wise to post it in this public forum. 331dot (talk) 19:42, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles are not typically deleted just because the subject or their representative wants them to be. If you have specific concerns about the article, please point them out. Your removal was reverted because it was done without explanation. Wikipedia does have a strict policy about how living people are written about(which you can find by clicking WP:BLP), so if there is inaccurate information, we want to know about it. I would note that what you removed appears to be well sourced, but I am not familiar with the subject so I can only go by what is seen. 331dot (talk) 19:45, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I would further add that Wikipedia is very different from Facebook. Facebook is social media where people control their own 'pages'; Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that summarizes what appears in independent reliable sources; the subject of an article has no more rights to it than any other editor(see WP:OWN). 331dot (talk) 19:47, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm guessing this is about Timothy Winter (note spelling)? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 03:07, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

The place to take this up is Talk:Timothy Winter. Be aware that in 2017 there was a lengthy and heated discussion on keeping or deleting referenced content about Winter that he no longer adheres to. His current position can be added, but not deleting old content if it was properly referenced. History does not go away because someone changes their mind. David notMD (talk) 03:10, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Help with Multiple IPs adding a tweet to BLP

Hi, I'm new here, but I was wondering where do I go for help with issues I encounter when editing. For example, on the Andy Cohen (TV personality) page, multiple IPs keep adding a tweet to the article, starting last year. I think they may be using some kind of dynamic IP address.

Thanks, 24.217.247.41 (talk) 00:55, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi IP 24.217.247.41. I think you should continuing to try and engage these other editors in discussion on the article's talk page. If that discusison stagnates, you can suggest seeking further assistance at either WP:RSN or WP:BLPN. At some point though, continuing to go back and forth with the IPs is only going to exacerbate the situation no matter how right you may be in terms of WP:BLPREMOVE; so, seek out administrator assistance at either WP:RPP or WP:AN3 to put an end to any disruption. The IP(s) can choose not to participate in the discussion, but they will be expected to honor any consensus which is established by it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:41, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, Marchjuly. I will wait to see if the IPs respond to my comments on the talk page. I've previously posted on WP:BLP for a different issue and not gotten any feedback, so if the IPs don't respond, I will try posting to the Request for Page Protection WP:RPP or 3 edit rule board WP:AN3, (which the IPs if all from the same person have violated). 24.217.247.41 (talk) 05:40, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Shooting Clerks poster art

I'm trying to upload the latest poster for my film Shooting Clerks, to the Shooting Clerks wiki page but have been hit with a copyright warning and the poster has been removed. How can I fix this? I own the poster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChristopherDownie (talk • contribs) 16:19, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@ChristopherDownie: -Hi, welcome to our Teahouse. While you own the poster, you don't own the graphical rights to the film - in effect you bought the right to display your poster, but not photos of it. I'm assuming that "my film" you mean a film you own a copy of, rather than you being a director of it (etc)? Nosebagbear (talk) 16:34, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

No, this is a film I wrote and directed. I own the rights to everything related to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChristopherDownie (talk • contribs) 17:17, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, ChristopherDownie. There are two main ways to add an image of a poster. Since you say that your are the copyright holder, you can freely licence the image on Wikimedia Commons. That means that anyone can use the image for any purpose, anywhere, as long as they credit you. So, I can emblazon your poster on coffee mugs for profit, if I want. Commons will expect you to prove that you hold those legal rights. Be very careful about this option. The second way is described at the policy on use of Non-free images #4 and possibly #1. This involves uploading low-resolution versions of the image, normally for inclusion in one article only, for educational purposes. This is the normal way that we use film posters. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:10, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Article editing

My article recently submitted has been rejected .Can some experienced editor edit it so that it gets approved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sruthi srv (talk • contribs) 07:02, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello there, welcome to Wikipedia Sruthi srv! Please read WP:YFA for guidance on what should be included in an article. I don’t see where your draft is, but I can see that you are writing an article on your talk page, which is the wrong place. Instead, please use the WP:AFC process for creating articles. Also, your article has no sources for verifiability. Regards, Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 07:17, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Article: Stefan Thurner

I submitted the article "Stefan Thurner" in November (!) already and added content in March (last time). It is sooo long now. Could you please tell me: What is wrong about the text? Compared to many other Wiki entries it seems totally ok to me?? Thanks for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avecaesaria (talk • contribs) 08:37, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

It looks as if it was declined in November. Have you re-submitted it recently, since making your changes? If so, it will be reviewed again, but reviews can take time as it relies purely on volunteers. If you have not re-submitted it then you should do so if you believe it meets all the standards and has addressed the reason for being declined before. It certainly appears to be well-sourced and there are some credible claims to notability, but I'm afraid I can't understand the German sources so I can't say for sure either way whether the article is now likely to be accepted or not. Hug^syrup 08:48, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

A question

I have a question at talk:Gulval that I hope someone will answer. —Best known for IP (85.255.233.81 (talk)) 08:43, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done please see answer on the talk page. Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 09:29, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

citing geoblocked pages

If I want to know if there's anything I need to take care of when using a geoblocked page as a source. The page doesn't provide any useful content, when accessed from somewhere other than Iceland. Is this something that can be solved by an archive-version of it (I've never done that and I have no idea how that works), do I have to make a disclamer somewhere or am I not allowed to use it at all? (by the way, yes it's the English Wiki that I wanted to use it for) Sparkle666 (talk) 17:44, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Sparkle666: Should be OK, assuming that it meets criteria to be a Reliable Source. Sources do not need to be easily accessable. See WP:SOURCEACCESS. RudolfRed (talk) 18:23, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Sparkle666: What is the web page in question? Why would a page be geoblocked at the source? Or are you saying it is blacklisted here at Wikipedia? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 03:14, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@Sparkle666:@AlanM1: Some websites actually block visitors from certain countries from seeing them. Usually for legal reasons, such as when they can't / won't follow the GDPR. TheAwesomeHwyh 04:46, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

First, the page is this here and unless I really don't get the concept this page is not blacklisted by wikipedia, since it's an official TV-channel's website and other pages on this website are used as sources on some wikipedia articles. I was also able to access the page via a VPN once in the past. The vast majority of the pages the website does not geoblock, I don't know why it did with this page. Thank you for your answers.Sparkle666 (talk) 07:34, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@Sparkle666: The page does not appear to be blocked for me in California, though it is not accessible to Google Translate and archive.org, which both get Icelandic for "Sorry for the error. Unfortunately, this URL is not accessible: ...". So, I'm guessing the problem is limited to bots? If so, it's probably OK to cite it as is, though you could add an <!-- HTML comment --> after the cite for the inevitable time when it disappears and someone tries to unsuccessfully change the cite to an archive. An archivable source would probably be better, though.

I get:

Sjónvarp Beint Flokkar Dagskrá | KrakkaRÚV
Hatari - fólkið á bak við búningana

Heimildarþáttur um listahópinn Hatara sem tekur þátt í Eurovision í Tel Aviv í maí. Í þættinum tjá liðsmenn Hatara sig í fyrsta skipti um hvernig þeim leið eftir sigurinn í Söngvakepninni og hvaða væntingar þeir hafa til þátttöku sinnar í Eurovision. Umsjón og dagskrárgerð: Anna Hildur Hildibrandsdóttir. Stjórn upptöku: Baldvin Vernharðsson. Framleiðsla: Tattarrattat í samstarfi við RÚV.

which Google Translate says is Icelandic for:

TV Straight categories agenda | KrakkaRÚV
Haters - the people behind the costumes

An episode of the Hatara art group participating in Eurovision in Tel Aviv in May. In the episode, Hatara's team members for the first time comment on how they felt after the victory in the Singing Cup and what expectations they have for their participation in Eurovision. Supervision and programming: Anna Hildur Hildibrandsdóttir. Director of recording: Baldvin Vernharðsson. Production: Tattarrattat in collaboration with RÚV.

—[AlanM1(talk)]— 09:46, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello Love Goodbye

Hi, I've spent the past 48 hours reverting edits from IP addresses and usernames on Hello, Love, Goodbye article. Issues range from puffery, Facebook and twitter as sources, as you can see from this [[2]]. I hope you can help lock the page. Verbosmithie (talk) 11:47, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Verbosmithie Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure that I would worry about page protection("lock") unless the content is readded. If it is, you can request page protection at WP:RFPP. 331dot (talk) 11:51, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi 331dot, thank you. Contents have been readded for the past few days maybe, I'm not sure, from the same group of people as the nature of edits and the words used seem very similar. The diff I mentioned are just one of the many edits I tried to revert. See history. I usually am patient on these things and tried to reach out to the user via the talk page, but ip addresses reverted the changes. Verbosmithie (talk) 11:55, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Unsure how to submit my draft article when ready?

Now in polishing phase of a draft article (biography of a living German author), some basic questions are relevant: firstly, what is the best way to submit the finished article for publication? I've learned a lot through tutorials, style guides and how-to pages, but always unsure if what I'm doing is correct.

I lack practical know-how on basic points (e.g. unsure how to insert 'categories'), and unsure how to reinstate a footnote that vanished in process of checking. Finally, the style guide suggests that referring to the existence of other-language pages (the biography of the author in question exists in German, French and other languages) in the 'talk' page of the (hopefully) published article, may help the English page to endure. Advice much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wortmead (talk • contribs) 08:10, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Wortmead Welcome to Teahouse. Prior writing an article, pls read WP:Your First Article for info, requirements and instructions, then go HERE and follow the step. If your draft is declined after you have submitted, pls read the grey panel atop of the page and as well as comment, if any, from the reviewer. Make necessary correction as per advice and resubmit. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 11:38, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Thank you for the good advice. Wortmead 12:04, 20 August 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wortmead (talk • contribs)

New Biographical Page of a Living Person

Hey guys, am very new to this but wanted to essentially create a page for a musician I am a huge fan of. I would like to go through the usual process but frankly, don't even know which pages I could edit to get up to the 10 required edits.

The musician is still at an Indie level though he was once on Billboard Number 4 placing and a lot of the sources are likely to come from his website... While I will be diligent to trawl the internet for quotable sources from articles and the like, do you foresee an issue with me creating this page for him? I know that notability is an issue as well... Hope to hear from you guys as I would like to get started soon! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGoei (talk • contribs) 13:10, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@DGoei: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The musician's own website would not be acceptable as a source; sources must be independent reliable sources with significant coverage. Sources must be independent of the subject and offer coverage beyond routine mentions, basic announcements, or interviews. If the musician is not written about in independent sources, he would not merit an article at this time. As you surmise, the musician must also meet at least one of the notability criteria, which for musicians are written at WP:BAND.

You can create and submit a draft using Articles for Creation even if you are not autoconfirmed. Creating a new article successfully is harder than most people think it is. I would recommend using the new user tutorial and reading Your First Article carefully. 331dot (talk) 13:16, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi 331dot, Thanks for the assistance! The musician has had several interviews in the past, as well as having been signed by Sony as well amongst other sources. If I could source from reliable publications and genuine history, would that permit the creation of his page? Additionally, how did you first go about making your first 10 edits? It's not that I want to skip it or be given special treatment, I'm just not sure where to start or whether there are edits left to be made! Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGoei (talk • contribs) 13:21, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@DGoei: Interviews are a primary source since they come from the subject themselves. Primary sources cannot be used to establish notability. Wikipedia is interested in what independent sources state about subjects on their own, not what the subject says about themselves.

There are literally millions of articles on Wikipedia, I'm sure there are some out there in areas that interest you that need work of varying degrees. If you need assistance in choosing articles to work on, you can visit the Community Portal which has a section of articles that need work. As I said, though, you don't need to have 10 edits to use Articles for Creation. It may also be helpful to you to get feedback on a draft you are creating, especially your first one; if you directly create an article without a review, it will be treated more critically. 331dot (talk) 13:38, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi 331dot, I definitely don't want to randomly create a page like that: I need to pay my due diligence! Most of these articles I have managed to dig up are sadly interviews so I will find a way (properly) to get the musician properly established (and know I am purely a fan, I have not been paid a cent to do this) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGoei (talk • contribs) 14:12, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Reference list can not be edited

I have been having this issue on some pages the list of references show up as a blank list. For example: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_to_the_World_(Three_Dog_Night_song) I noticed reference number 3 is dead and I could find any other source, so I thought I will mark it as a dead link, but I can't. The reference page opens blank, and so this is big issue, as I have seen people placing the references inside of the article instead of at the bottom due to this issue.Ty78ejui (talk) 14:34, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@Ty78ejui: welcome to the Teahouse. Generally, if an article uses the reflist template (which most do), you can't edit the references directly in the References section. Rather, you need to edit them where they appear within the article. In this case, reference 3 appears at the end of the first line of 'Background and recording' so you would need to edit it there. You can mark it by placing {{dead link}} between the end of the cite tag and the </ref>. Hope this helps. Hug^syrup 14:37, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• @Ty78ejui: (edit conflict) The above answer is sufficient, but to elaborate a bit: reference citations should usually be placed from inside the body of the article, so that readers know which piece of material they are supporting. On the technical side, this is done by having the reference details filled out at the location where you want to cite it, even though they will appear to the reader in the list of references, which is automagically generated at another place (usually the bottom of the article) by the template {{reflist}}. See the example at Help:Referencing_for_beginners#Test_it_out. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:49, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

It did not work, as usually I did it wrong, I tried to insert the tag, but I did not save it because I got this :

"Three Dog Night Headlines the Fair Tonight". Bainbridge Island Review. Entertainment section. August 20, 2008. ISSN 1053-2889. Retrieved April 5, 2011.[dead link] (here the reference is removed, but I don't want it removed only marked dead)
Cite warning: <ref> tag with name notes2 cannot be previewed because it is defined outside the current section or not defined in this article at all.
Cite warning: <ref> tag with name notes1 cannot be previewed because it is defined outside the current section or not defined in this article at all.

Ty78ejui (talk) 14:59, 20 August 2019 (UTC) I have been able to make a change within the article if I use ref, and am creating the reference myself, but if I want to cite the web, it will sometimes appear inside the article, not as a number but the whole reference is listed right in the middle of the article making it look messy. Ty78ejui (talk) 15:02, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@Ty78ejui: - ok, I have added in the broken link tag, and if you edit the source you can probably see where this goes, so you'll know for future. The reason for the error you are seeing is that references can be defined once, and then referenced again using just their short name. The problem is that if the reference was defined in the lead, and then is referenced with it's short name in another section, and you preview just that section then the preview will show an error. In this scenario, this is not a 'real' error and will not show up in the final article. The best way to avoid that confusion, though, is to edit and preview the whole article at once by clicking 'edit source' at the top of the page next to 'read' and 'view history' rather than edit a single section - that is always safest when working with references as it will mean you can see how they really look. I hope this helps and I've explained it ok? On a side note, good on you for previewing your edits and not submitting them if they don't look right! Hug^syrup 15:08, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

So, I did that one ok? Most times I don't preview, but this time since I was making an example I previewed rather then changed. Ty78ejui (talk) 15:14, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I found a new reference to the "Jeremiah was a prophet" on a website using reference and its the right place, but there is no way to add the other information. If I use cite the web the location will be inside the article. Its better not to have it inside the article, but having it even if is deleted will allow someone to use an archive to search for it. I did archive it.Ty78ejui (talk) 15:21, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, this change works fine, although it is generally better to use a full cite template so that you can add in all of the other information about the reference. You see how in the list the one you added is just a plain URL, while the rest show more complete info? You can do that by instead of just doing <ref>url</ref> use <ref>{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |website= |publisher= |access-date= |quote=}}</ref>. You don't have to fill all the fields in (and others are in fact available) but the more the better. I don't know if this also answers your other question? It sounds to be as if you might have been using the cite template but not also enclosing it in ref tags, which would leave the citation within the article as you say. Hug^syrup 15:31, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm creating and misspelled the name ...

I created a page and mispelled the name for my page. How can I edit it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScreenShot Magazine (talk • contribs) 16:02, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@ScreenShot Magazine: What is the page? Did you create it under another account or while logged out? The answer to your question is that you can't edit a page name but you can move it to the correct name, although you must be autoconfirmed first. If you tell us the page and the correct spelling then it is possible someone here will be willing to move it for you.

On a different note, I am afraid that your username breaches Wikipedia rules because it implies shared use. You will need to either change it or create a new account, or you risk being blocked. Your username also strongly suggests that you might be editing on behalf of an organisation, which is also frowned upon and a breach of the T&Cs unless you declare it - I suggest you read WP:PAID before doing any more editing. Hug^syrup 16:30, 20 August 2019 (UTC)