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I found an error in As the World Turns History, that can be easily fixed

History of As the World Turns#1971–1975

Please check this. I was looking for the history of As the World Turns as relating to 1978, but the time frame jumps from 1970-1975 to 1980 skipping the entire time from 1975 to 1980. If no data is found then it should leave it blank, but the entire section is missing. They mean to have 1970 to 1980 then 1980, just a small mistake. Apriv40dj (talk) 14:40, 2 April 2014 (UTC) I know how this can be fixed. The page was last lost when it was merged, but I don't know how to get it back. I found the page here in the history. I should be easy to be recovered by a senior editor and replaced, otherwise it looks incomplete. It was a separate page, but during the merging process failed to make it to the final page. Talk:History of As the World Turns Apriv40dj (talk) 15:45, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

I have changed the URLs in your question into wikilinks. History of As the World Turns#1971–1975 is more readable than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_As_the_World_Turns#1971.E2.80.931975 . --David Biddulph (talk) 16:17, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

If you look at the 1976-1980 page as it stood at the time of the merger, you'll see that it "... does not contain any information for 1976-1980, despite the title", but instead covers 1980 to 1989. If you can actually find the 1976-1980 history, a link would be useful. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:10, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh bummer, yeah, I don't know did not actually watch it, so they should put it back with a note, like please add something for these years, in case someone does. I was stuck in high school at the time. Apriv40dj (talk) 22:12, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Question about Categories

Can Categories be used to create a comprehensive list of things, even though some may not have pages yet?

For example, Category:Art galleries established in 1990. Can this list be populated with other galleries that were established in 1990, even though they have no "page" yet.

Thanks, Rkuhlen (talk) 22:23, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Rkuhlen. No, categories sort Wikipedia's existing pages into groups. You can read more at WP:Categories. Sam Walton (talk) 22:32, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Rkuhlen. I converted your link into a link to the categary by inserting a colon thus: [[:Category:Art galleries established in 1990]]. As you had it, it added this page that we are on to the category! As Samwalton9 says, categories can contain only pages which exist. Lists are different from categories: they are ordinary articles, whose contents are a list of items linked to other articles: to add or remove an entry you have to edit the list article. Technically, a list may contain both links to other articles and items which do not have articles. I believed that the latter are discouraged, but I haven't found anything in WP:LIST which says so. --ColinFine (talk) 22:44, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello everyone, I am quite new to this environment and appreciate some one help me to correct the title name in an article.

Hello everyone,

I am quite new to this environment and appreciate some one help me to correct the title name in an article.

Best, hmd1980Hmd1980 (talk) 15:40, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Presumably you would like the article to be correctly capitalised, unfortunately that title has been protected from creation. Previously created and deleted multiple times I'm guessing. The article does have serious notability problems and a lack of references also. Sorry to be so unhelpful.Theroadislong (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

This is the articleSara shahmohammadi Theroadislong (talk) 16:01, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

... and the AFD discussion. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:04, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

@Hmd1980: I have asked the administrator who closed the deletion discussion to evaluate whether or not the newly created article meets section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If the article doesn't meet the criterion, then I have also asked the admin to move it to the correct capitalization. I would strongly suggest the creator of the article improve its references (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners if you need help) so there is a clear indication on how it satisfies Wikipedia's notability guidelines, particular the notability guideline for music-related topics. Regards, Mz7 (talk) 22:20, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

@Hmd1980: User:Stuartyeates has moved your article to the draft namespace, with the following comment on Companionproj's talk page:

I've moved your article to Draft:Sara Shahmohammadi to give you time and space to show that the subject is notable, and avoid the article being deleted per Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sara Shahmohammadi. There are some links in google which aren't in the article but which probably should be; things like http://www.aiwcm.com/view.php?kindex=163 . I suggest that you add what you can to the article. I would also encourage you to add references to any appropiate foreign language sources that may be relavent; the article needs to be in English, but the sources on which it's based don't. Feel free to ask questions on my talk page or that of User:SarahStierch. It's User:SarahStierch who will probably end up making the call whether to make the article live or not, but we're in no particular hurry and the version of the article in the Draft: namespace is in no immediate risk of deletion.
— User:Stuartyeates 00:06, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Regrads, Mz7 (talk) 01:29, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

GA Recruitment Centre

Hello! I'm currently going through training to become a GA reviewer. I want to transclude my mentor's(Figureskatingfan)review onto my Recruitment page (Wikipedia:WikiProject_Good_articles/Recruitment_Centre/Recruiter_Central/Archives/User:BrandonWu). Can you please help me? WooHoo! • Talk to me! 01:38, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh by the way, the review I want to transclude is Talk:Train Kept A-Rollin'/GA1!WooHoo! • Talk to me! 01:40, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi BrandonWu! Transclusion is done by putting curly brackets {{ }} around the page name. So to transclude Talk:Train Kept A-Rollin'/GA1, type {{Talk:Train Kept A-Rollin'/GA1}} at the place you want to transclude, and the software will automatically display the entire contents of the review page. See Wikipedia:Transclusion for details on transcluding. If this doesn't answer your question, or if I am unclear, leave a follow-up below and I will be happy to clarify. Best, Mz7 (talk) 01:51, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

marathi

bhutdaya ya patache manse kahun bhitat? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.228.29.60 (talk) 18:50, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Fast Translate cannot make anything of this, even when I tell it the language is Marathi. --ColinFine (talk) 10:39, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Moving the next question to the top of the page. --ColinFine (talk) 15:22, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

County Durham Demonym

Can anyone from Durham or the North East region answer this please? Is Pit Yacker a common demonym for people raised in Durham? I mentioned it on the County Durham talk page and someone said it is a term of abuse for miners,meanings change with time. I've heard people use it as a badge of pride. Wyliecoyote1990 (talk) 13:43, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Wyliecoyote1990. I don't know the answer to the question, but actually it's the wrong question for Wikipedia's purposes. If you can find a reliable source (such as a major newspaper or a book from a reputable publisher - not a blog or a self-published source) that says that Pit Yacker is a name for Durham people, then that can go in the article, referenced to the source, and noting it as derogatory or not according to what the source says. If you cannot find such a source then you should not put it in the article, full stop. --ColinFine (talk) 15:19, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Cheers Wyliecoyote1990 (talk) 15:24, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

starting a new article

I would like to start a new article, but cannot see how to do this. Do I start a talk page first? Scotttbillington (talk) 13:25, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Scott. I'd recommend using the Article Wizard; it's a good introduction for first-timers. You might also want to read the advice at Your first article. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:10, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Please also read WP:COI as you are adding a lot of content to the articleScott Billington Theroadislong (talk) 16:06, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Rate articles

Where can we ask to rate articles other than GA or FA ? Zince34' 06:01, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Another question: Is there any place in Wikipedia to ask whether images on certain sites are suitable for upload on wiki and under what license ? Zince34' 08:03, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

1. You can generally rate articles at levels lower than GA, FA, or FL by yourself! There is a guide stating how to determine which article fits in which quality-rating at WP:ASSESS.
2. If you have questions about which images are appropriate for Wikipedia, you can refer to the Image use policy, which has a convenient summary near the top.
3. If you have questions about what images in general can be used on Wikipedia the general rules are found here
4. If you ave a question about a particular image or need help understanding a rule or finding an appropriate licensing tag, there's a "help desk" where you can ask questions at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions.

I hope this helps! – Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 17:58, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Why was my article rejected?

I wrote an article about Andrew Rona, a hollywood film producer, Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Andrew_Rona

and it was rejected. Can I learn why? I'd like it to go up so it can also connect to other articles like ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unknown_(2011_film)

-or-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Stop_(film)

Please let me know what I need to do to make this work. Thanks! Filmpeople1 (talk) 17:49, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

The review said that there were not enough reliable references. If you would like more information, the best thing to do is to talk to the reviewer and ask how you can fix that issue. You can do this by leaving a message at the bottom of his talk page - User talk:Ktr101. – Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 18:04, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Font

Hi, the font for article titles, and watchlist seems to have been changed. Please can someone link me to the discussion? Thanks, Matty.007 19:17, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

@Matty.007: This isn't a discussion, but see mw:typography refresh. --Jakob (talk) 19:44, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. Matty.007 19:48, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

publishing a page about person

i want to know that how can i create a page for a person. Actually i tries to create it many times but Wikipedia admins deleted the page saying that it is not important or significant. However, i follow all instructions of wikipedia to create a page, as it was fully fair and balanced. But i don't know why they deleted the page. So, i want to know that how can i write a article or create a page about a particular person. All suggestions/replies will be appreciable.Ruhilgoyal (talk) 12:11, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ruhilgoyal. The thing is, Wikipedia doesn't publish articles about just anyone. In order to be suitable for a Wikipedia article, a person must have been extensively written about in reliable sources by people who are not him/her. Being an engineering student with a blog is very unlikely to attract a high-enough level of coverage for that criterion to be met. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:38, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, if an article is deleted for this (or any other reason) is it gone completely (including any discussion about its deletion) or is a record of it kept somewhere? Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 15:50, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

To answer that question, Tiptoethrutheminefield, yes, there is a record kept when an article is deleted, and in some cases articles are restored (though it is not likely that the article you were working on will be). Anon126 (talk - contribs) 21:41, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Coding a template

Question moved from the bottom of the page, and title added, by --ColinFine (talk) 15:23, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello. I am a new user and am curious to know how to code a template. Could you show me how to code a template which when pasted in an article will display the following message,instead of hand-coding the text:

• This article is about myself.
• please click here to send me a message

thanks in advance\Medara Bassey (talk) 14:06, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Medara Bassey. You code a template by simply editing a file in template space. Just type the name you want preceded by "Template:" (without the quotes) into the search bar, and it will offer you the option of creating the given page. For more information, see Templates.

However, please do not create the template you are proposing: I can think of no reason why such a template might be useful, and the fact that you are suggesting it implies that there is something you do not understand about Wikipedia. Such a template could not be used in an article, because "myself" would not mean anything in that context, and in any case autobiography is strongly discouraged in Wikipedia. You are allowed to write some limited information about yourself on your user page, but that should focus on you as a Wikipedia editor, not on any other aspect of your life. And in any case, that is what user pages are for, so there is no point in putting a template like the one you suggest (and it would be a user page, not an article). --ColinFine (talk) 15:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I intend to use it in my user page. ThanksMedara Bassey (talk) 17:12, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, to be honest, there's not much reason for it to be a template, then: writing the template would be as much or more work as simply putting the code on your userpage, since you're not going to be using it in more than one place. But the code for it is going to look something like:

*This article is about myself.
*[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Medara_Bassey&action=edit&section=new please click here to send me a message]

and it will come out looking like:

• This article is about myself.
• please click here to send me a message

Is that what you're going for? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:38, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but I know how to hand-code it. I intend to code it via templates. It's what I want.Medara Bassey (talk) 17:50, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, a template would look almost exactly the same. Templates aren't a special language or anything; it's exactly the same wikicode, just placed on a different page. The only thing that could possibly change is, if you wanted to make this usable for anyone, not just you, to replace the Medara_Bassey part with {{urlencode:{{{1}}}|WIKI}}, so that it looks like [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:{{urlencode:{{{1}}}|WIKI}}&action=edit&section=new please click here to send me a message]; then, one could use the first unnamed parameter for the template to serve as the username (so, {{templateName|Medara Bassey}} would give exactly the same output as in my previous comment). Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:23, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Medara Bassey, putting anything on your user page which refers to it as an article would be grossly inappropriate. A user page is a different thing from an article, with a different purpose and different rules. --ColinFine (talk) 22:44, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Write an article about a man

I want to know that How can i write an article about a person. I am a third party person not belongs to that person. Just writing about him as i found him on Internet and wants to put information about him on Wikipedia. Thus, please guide me how can i publish an article about him as he is young famous blogger. Ruhilgoyal (talk) 18:11, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

He should be noteworthy and reported by third party authoritative sources Summichum (talk) 18:56, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Ruhilgoyal; you will probably find the information you need by reading your first article. You describe him as "famous", but Wikipedia requires that reliable sources, such as major newspapers, have written about him, otherwise he will fail the test for notability. --ColinFine (talk) 22:48, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

How to appeal a deleted Wikipedia page

Hello. The Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitacs_inc. was recently deleted by user Bbb23 with the reason given: (A7: No explanation of significance (real person/animal/organization/web content/organized event): G11)

Can you please advise how to appeal this deletion? Mitacs is a national, not-for-profit research organization which administers research internships for graduate postdoctoral scholars across Canada. We are funded by national and provincial governments. The organization places a significant role in supporting research and driving innovation in Canada by connecting educational institutions with industry partners. Please advise how this decision can be appealed.

Danesvenson (talk) 22:33, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

The URL in the question doesn't work. The OP may have intended to refer to Mitacs Inc.? --David Biddulph (talk) 22:49, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Danesvenson. You can appeal a deletion by following the procedure in deletion review. But as you have a conflict of interest, you are strongly discouraged from working on such an article; and any article on the company (whoever writes it) will need to reference the multiple reliable sources, independent of the subject which have written at length about the company, that are required to establish that it meets Wikipedia's criteria for what we call "notability". --ColinFine (talk) 22:55, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MITACS Inc. for the deletion of an earlier attempt at MITACS Inc.. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:03, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Reveiwing unblock requestes

Hello, I am wondering if non administrators can review a unblock request (and comment on it, but not make a decision to unblock for blatant reasons).

Thanks,

Happy Attack Dog (you rang?) 22:44, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

@Happy Attack Dog: Welcome to the Teahouse! Non-admins may certainly comment on unblock requests, but they do not have the authority to accept or decline them by editing the unblock template). --Jakob (talk) 23:13, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

offensive text is not editible

The Article on John Glenn the Astronaut contains the phrase " John glenn was also gay and a perv". The statement is the last sentence in the "world War II" section of the article. When I open the article in an attempt to delete the phrase, the offending text is not visible. Can anyone give me a hand with this? Thanks, CCharlieworton (talk) 23:21, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The vandalism was reverted hours ago, within a minute of the vandalism occurring. If you are seeing the vandalized version you may need to clear your browser's cache. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:26, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Markup for possessive clauses within a wikilink

Please can you tell me which is correct? Snelling's or Snelling's Diana Bassplayer (talk) 08:03, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Diana, welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know of any policy on this, but I would always use the first, as the second looks rather odd. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 08:32, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I'd say the opposite is true, in the context of an encyclopedia the first looks strange, the second is correct. The link goes to Snelling not Snelling's, so the link should just contain the word that the link is about. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 15:58, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I prefer Snelling's as having a dangling "'s" in another colour is very odd. In the same way we have a standard link for plurals ([[plural]]s) and other stem-related links. Indeed the is a bug registered to improve the way this sort of thing is handled. All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 01:02, 4 April 2014 (UTC).

Questions about reliable sources for article not approved

Hi everyone (and MatthewVanitas and RadioFan),

Thanks for reading. I'm a little murky on why a recent re-edit to an article I had posted was not approved for a second time.

The reason given was "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources."

The article is here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Canadian_Association_of_Accredited_Mortgage_Professionals. CAAMP is Canada's national accreditation organization for mortgage brokers.

I had amended the article (after it was first rejected in January) with new 3rd party news sources from: -Wall Street Journal -The Financial Post (one of Canada's 2 leading daily business publications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Post) -CBC News (Canada's National Public Broadcaster: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation) -and with a news release from PR Newswire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PR_Newswire).

These are sources that are considered reliable and highly legitimate.

Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions on what to do next? Please let me know when you have a moment.

(PS - I've seen a few articles on Wiki that did not appear to have the quality of references that I had included for CAAMP.....I completely understand that sometimes this can happen, and that we're not trying to go for the lowest common denominator)

Happy to hear everyone's thoughts.

Stoox123 (talk) 16:41, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

My thoughts are that anything published by PR Newswire most certainly is not a legitimate source for establishing notability (of anything) on Wikipedia. Haven't looked at the other three, I will leave others to comment on that. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:19, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes but this is an "RS" query, not a notability query - and of course PR newswire is dodgy for that too! All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 01:22, 4 April 2014 (UTC).

It's useful to remember that there are two separate (though closely intertwined) reasons for asking for references.

The first is the most common way to establish Notability, known as the "General Notability Guideline" (WP:GNG for short) The short version is if a topic has "significant coverage in reliable sources" then it is presumed to be notable, by and large. This is what MatthewVaitas was asking for.

Secondly everything on Wikipedia should be verifiable, which means that it should be possible to confirm it from a reliable source. This is what Radio Fan is asking for (although his comment refers to notability). While it is not essential that everything has a reference (verifiable is the rule, not verified), there is a tendency at AFC to try to get these things as rock solid as possible - one of the reasons AFC was started was to protect "new articles" (and hence new editors) from the hurly burly of main-space editing, with its tagging, speedy deletions, user templating and so forth.

As to the quality of the sources, the ones that are being drawn to your attention are the press releases. Press releases should be treated with caution, and are certainly not "independent", they are valuable in certain circumstances: to support the statement - "Foo announced the release of their widget on 16 March 2011" for example, but not "Foo's new Widget-9000 is the best wobbulator since 1888."

For notability you should look for more sources that talk about CAAMP as an organisation if possible. All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 01:58, 4 April 2014 (UTC).

Can't find the Help pages anymore

The Help link in the left side frame column of the Main Page now gives MediaWiki Help instead of Help:Contents/Browse. MediaWiki help isn't the same thing as the Wikipedia Help: namespace at all. How do I train new users to find the Wikipedia Help pages, when I can't find them myself? Djembayz (talk) 20:52, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Djembayz what skin are you using? All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 02:06, 4 April 2014 (UTC).

Using Vector. Appears the problem is fixed. Thanks for responding. Djembayz (talk) 02:13, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

How to Quickly get a drop down to linked articles or usernames like a autocomplete dropdown

How to Quickly get a drop down to linked articles or usernames like a autocomplete dropdown you find in google search. Is something similar possible on wikipedia? Summichum (talk) 18:55, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Summichum, yes this already exists for catalogued pages. For example if you type User:F in the search window top right, you will get a drop down list that changes as you add more informaton. It doesn't include newly added articles or editors. Flat Out let's discuss it 02:15, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikiprojects

I am interested in joining a wikiproject. How does one do that? the reedman (talk) 02:54, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Reedman72. Each wikiproject has a member's list. Simply add your user name to that list. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:58, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, welcome back to the Teahouse! Here's how to join a WikiProject:

1. Go to the project's page (consult the directory if you're not sure where that is).
2. Look for the list of participants (or instructions on how to join).
3. Add yourself to the list (or follow the instructions).
4. Participate in discussions. The main discussion page is the talk page of the main project page.
5. Start improving related articles!

Anon126 (talk - contribs) 03:01, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you User:Anon126, this is me reedman72 but my account has messed up the way i view wikipedia. I think I messed up the display code with my new username(i think). I tried to change appearances in my settings do you have any idea how to fix that, I need help ASAFP, thanks, reedman72 69.108.1.191 (talk) 03:29, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

I got it back to normal Reedman72 03:39, 4 April 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reedman72 (talk • contribs)

Also thank Cullen328 for his response. Anon126 (talk - contribs) 06:11, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Help me see if there's any problem with this article

Hi, I wanted to know if this article is alright. It's on my sandbox, and it's about a Spanish company. The information is all taken from its website or other sites but I wondered if it could have any flaws. Here it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wateraguawater/sandbox if you see anything wrong or against Wikipedia policies, please tell me and I'll change it before posting it. Thanks a lot!! Hope you could help me?

Wateraguawater (talk) 09:24, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Wateraguawater, I'm afraid that this article is not suitable for inclusion as either your user page or in the main Wikipedia article space because it is unambiguous promotion, which is not allowed according to Wikipedia policy. If you can rewrite the article and remove the promotional content you can then submit it at articles for creation provided it meets the requirements of notability and verifiability. Good luck, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 09:32, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello Philg88 I've changed some things about the product section, I believe it could be the most promotional part, right? Could you tell me if it's alright now? The rest of the things are from news

Wateraguawater (talk) 09:45, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

It looks better Wateraguawater, but here is not the place to review your article. I suggest that you click on the green button "Submit your draft for review", which will put it in the review queue. Before you do that, I would remove the link to "Azud" on the first line as the article it points to has nothing to do with the company. Cheers, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 05:44, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Alright, Philg88, thanks for the tips!

Wateraguawater (talk) 06:45, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you need further assistance in the future. ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 07:55, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Barnstars

A new account whose article I tagged for deletion has been giving me "wikilove" what do I do? Here's what it is. Reedman72 05:58, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Reedman72. There is a basic Wikipedia guideline that we should assume good faith of other editors in most situations. As for what you should do at this point, I think think that you can either say "thanks", or you can say nothing. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:12, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

To me, it looks like the editor wants to say something to you, but they don't know about the New Section Tab. Zince34' 08:47, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

What is going on with the font?

For some unknown reason, today both the font style and the font size of the text in Wikipedia articles changed for me. Yet the font style and size of the links at the top and at the left sides of pages (the links that say "Contributions", "Log out", "Main page", "Random article", etc.) remain unchanged. What has happened? Can it be undone?

Thank you,

TobiisNOTmadara1291 (talk) 00:29, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey, Tobiis, welcome to the Teahouse! The reason is that a new typography has recently been deployed to Wikipedia by the WMF. If you like, you can turn it off in your preferences page; simply go to the "Gadgets" tab and, in the "Appearance" section, check the box labeled "Vector classic typography (use only sans-serif in Vector skin)"; then just click the "Save" button at the bottom. That should revert the fonts to what they were before. Cheers! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 00:32, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! The font is back to normal, but the margin on the right side of the pages seems to be narrower, causing words at the end of lines on pages that I have edited to wrap onto the next line down. Is there a way to adjust this?

TobiisNOTmadara1291 (talk) 01:03, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Tobiis. It's not really useful to try and plan your sentences so that particular words end up at the end of particular lines. This is because there are many different screen widths used to view Wikipedia pages, so lines can wrap at all sorts of different places. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:52, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Can I adjust those screen widths? TobiisNOTmadara1291 (talk) 14:18, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi TobiisNOTmadara1291. To illustrate what Demiurge1000 means, I browse Wikipedia on a wide-screen monitor, but by colleague on the desk next to mine browses Wikipedia with a monitor that is almost square. This means that when we read the same article the arrangement of text is different on our screens. This is generally something you don't need to worry about, as the Wikipedia interface will handle this neatly as long as you write in normal paragraphs. However if you want to be an advanced user, you can look into using non-breaking spaces to make sure that pairs of words always appear on the same line. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 14:43, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

How to make charts on Wikipedia

How can I make charts on wikipedia. Can you explain the process.Googlemuslim (talk) 14:42, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

The information you need is summarized at Wikipedia:Graphs_and_charts and expounded in detail at Wikipedia:How to create charts for Wikipedia articles. There are a limited number of types of charts you can make directly on Wikipedia using code. There is also the option of making charts outside of Wikipedia (with Excel or similar software) and uploading these as pictures. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 15:01, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Will not let me edit!!!

Hello, I am trying to remove a rather large NPOV violating section at Transrapid that is so full of promotional content it is unfix able. I edited the page and removed the question, then saved it, and then when I got back to the page, Lo and Behold, the section was still there, there was no edit history of my edit.

A little help here?

Happy Attack Dog (you rang?) 14:50, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps you did a "Show preview" but didn't subsequently save? --David Biddulph (talk) 14:57, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

maybe because It was created by one Anon I could just rollback with twinkle...

Happy Attack Dog (you rang?) 15:06, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Can we use pictures and other material on Wikipedia as long as its cited.

Our class is doing projects for a tech fair and I wanted to know whether or not we can use material on Wikipedia as long as its citedGooglemuslim (talk) 14:40, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi @Googlemuslim:, Wikipedia content is available under what's called a CC-by-SA licence, which means that you may use material from Wikipedia if you credit Wikipedia as the source. If you make any derivative works you must also make them available on the same terms. You can read more about this here. Good luck with the tech fair! ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 14:49, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content is also worth reading, as it has some examples to use. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 14:54, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

You might want to double check with your teacher though. I know at least some teachers don't accept Wikipedia as a primary source for a lot of work and as much as I love the site I think that is a fairly reasonable policy. IMO a much better approach is to use Wikipedia as a starting point but then follow up with the sources in the article, first to make sure that the sources actually support what they claim and also to get more detail. But that's all just one person's opinion, as far as legal rights as Philg said you definitely are allowed as long as you cite it properly. MadScientistX11 (talk) 17:17, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

reliable sources about living people

Is tmz.com considered one of them? Kap 7 (talk) 16:42, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Kap 7, thanks for your question. Is this in relation to the edit request you made at Talk:Ellen Page? If so, I'll tell you that based on many discussions over at the Reliable sources noticeboard, there's disagreement over whether TMZ is a reliable source or not. I think the more relevant consideration is whether the information you want to add based on the TMZ source fits with our considerations on biographies of living persons. Specifically, the idea that:

If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article – even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it. If you cannot find multiple reliable third-party sources documenting the allegation or incident, leave it out.

So, in this case, I'd recommend finding other sources that document this information Otherwise, it's just probably not important enough to include on her biography. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 17:52, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

It was in relation to that edit request, although I didn't made the edit request. I was attempting to assist with it, (see talk page). Your reply has been very helpful thank you. Kap 7 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:10, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Moving Organisation of African Unity

Hi, I was editing spelling on Honsi Mubarak, the Egyptian former president, and I found the Organisation of African Unity. Well I know i've been wrong before on spelling so I looked up their website. It was spelled Organization of African Unity. It is spelled "organisation" in French. Well the article has both french and english for the title but the respective organisation/organization 's were switched (check it out on the page}. I want to move the page, but I want someone else's opinion first. Thanks in advance, Reedman72 00:49, 5 April 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reedman72 (talk • contribs)

Hi Reedman72. Wikipedia has a policy that allows the use of different variants of English (British, US, Indian etc) and there is no hard and fast rule about which one should be used. In the case of a topic with a strong national tie, then that nation's version of English should be used. For example, White House uses American English while Houses of Parliament uses British English. Historical usage also counts and the original spelling used when the article was created should generally not be changed until there is an obvious reason. In the case of the OAU, the historical usage seems to have been "organisation", and there is no reason to change it. The current z variant spelling was added by an IP editor recently and it should revert to the s variant. In other words, you don't need to move the page, just edit the places where the spelling does not match the article title. ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 04:44, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't no it was spelled that way some places. Reedman72 04:46, 5 April 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reedman72 (talk • contribs)

Why are there no guidelines for infoboxes

Hello everyone! I am curious as to why there are no guidelines for the infoboxes, specifically for genres. I have gotten into numerous disputes about this (notably on the talk pages for Jimi Hendrix and Pink Floyd if you are interested) and I'm wondering why there are no guidelines for something that causes so much disagreement. Twyfan714 (talk) 00:58, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Have you seen WP:IB and WP:INFOBOX? Possibly they will answer your question; if not a query delivered to one of the project participants may help. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 02:08, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Twyfan714 (talk) 02:21, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Twyfan714. You may find this essay about Genre Warriors interesting and instructive. In an amusing way, it describes a type of conduct that has been problematic here on Wikipedia for many years. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Headings and more

Hello! I just want to ask, did the ==headings== change? It changed font, did it? Or did anything happen to my computer? Thanks.

By the way, If I go to the Wikipedia-prefixed page that enables you to change name, will it move my whole talk page and subpages and archives and everything with the exact same edit to the new name? (Just asking) And, if anyone replies, I prefer you guys to {{ping}} me or leave me a {{teahouse talkback}} template at my talk page. Cheers! --Nahnah4 ^{Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here!} 07:52, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

@Nahnah4: The headings changed as a result of what's called "typography refresh", which alters the way that fonts are rendered by the back end software of Wikipedia. Don't worry, there is nothing wrong with your computer :) As for the second part of your question, there is no reason to move your user page and I would strongly advise you not to attempt any such moves. Cheers, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 08:31, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

@Philg88: Okay. The first part of the question - I figured that out already. Cheers! --Nahnah4 ^{Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here!} 08:38, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

How to borrow from an article in another language

Hi, I was looking up the Codex Chimalpopoca (an important Aztec document), and noticed that the English page doesn't exist yet, but a French page does. I don't speak French so the job of translating it would be for someone else, but I really want to bring this to someone's attention so that the English page can be created. Do you know how I should go about doing this? I'm still pretty new to Wikipedia... Thanks in advance. Dignifiedrice (talk) 11:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

@Dignifiedrice: Hey Dignifiedrice. I've done a translation, currently housed at a subpage of my userspace User:Fuhghettaboutit/Codex Chimalpopoca, but will move it to the mainspace after I make some additions (though anyone who sees this is welcome to jump in). Obviously, posting here actually worked, but a targeted place to request a translation is at Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Article requests, which you could have located by first going to Wikipedia:Requested articles, and then following the links for "By country", which would have led you to Wikipedia:Requested articles/By country. Please also see Wikipedia:Translation. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:22, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Geting Involved

How do I find other people who are interested in a subject so that I can get help and get more involved in editing articles about something I like.The Dracommunist (talk) 14:43, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi there, the best way (in my opinion) is to find a relevant Wikiproject and find out what needs doing! Sam Walton (talk) 14:46, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for your good question. Another way is to view the article's editing history and see which editors have edited the article. You would do that by looking at the page's edit history. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:06, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! The Dracommunist (talk) 17:06, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

rules of etiquette in editing here

Hi

I have been listed as a wikipedia editor, or contributor, or whatever the proper terminology is, for quite a few years. In that time, I have seen numerous typos as well statements I found questionable or information that was incomplete. However, I have been extremely reluctant to actually *do* any editing, because I am very unclear about rules of etiquette. Does one just edit at will, and the devil may care? Is there a way to contact the article's original author and say "hey, I think this should be changed?" Or is there some other process? It may be this is a subject that has already been discussed ad nauseam, but I can't figure out how to find that discussion, if it exists. Nick.vittum (talk) 19:24, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Nick, firstly sorry for saying I'd answered your question; a small bug with the gadget used here resulted in my answer to someone elses question ending up here. I've removed the talkback message I left on your talk page to avoid confusion! So there's a few things to mention here, first of which is to link you to the Wikipedia guideline of Be Bold! Basically if you see a typo or obvious vandalism then go ahead and remove it; you'll be a help to the encyclopedia and no one is going to argue. If, however, the information just seems dubious or you're not 100% on making a change, go to that article's talk page and post a message there like you did here, asking about the information or whether you should make an edit. Lastly, no one person or author owns an article, and anyone is free to edit any article (providing it isn't protected against vandalism). Hope this helps! Sam Walton (talk) 20:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, SamNick.vittum (talk) 20:13, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Old account, forgotten password and user name.

I can find my account listed, but can't access it as I've long forgotten password. Can't create a new account, as 'user name' and presumably IP address is already listed. I'm pretty good with computers generally but this one has got me beat! 92.2.32.178 (talk) 21:00, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your question – do you want to (a) create a new account with a different username to the old one or (b) edit under the old account name? If (a), then the same IP address can create more than one WMF account (but don't do this maliciously), so your previously having created one shouldn't place any technical restrictions on your IP from creating more. An IP is prevented from creating accounts through getting Blocked, not through the process of creating accounts itself. If (b); i.e., if you want to create a new account with the old account's username; then you'll have to create a new account with some other username, and then go to WP:USURP to make your case. It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 21:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

logo question

The logo located at commons:File:SVHS Falcon Logo.gif is labeled as public domain, but the source page for the logo has Copyright © 2000-2014 Scotts Valley High School on the bottom. Could someone with more experience look into this? Vycl1994 (talk) 18:58, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

To editor Vycl1994: I've tagged it for deletion. I will upload it to Wikipedia under fair use. Anon126 (talk - contribs) 20:50, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi AnnaSomerset, firstly the deletion does not appear to be automated, and it was done by an editor, not a bot. The only reason, that I can think of, an editor or an administrator would delete and block the replacement of images is because of copyright issues. Wikipedia has a legal & moral responsibility to ensure that copyright infringement does not occur. The fact that they were blocked suggests, to my mind, that someone with access rights above that of an editor has done this.

Everybody (well, almost) at Wikipedia is here to help, so don't take it personally. As to what you can do, I'm afraid another editor with more experience with images than me will need to help. I wish you all the very best with your article.CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 21:12, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Replace redirect with stub article

The Port of Hueneme, a deep water port, redirects to the City of Port Hueneme, which named itself after the port. I created a stub, User:Fettlemap/Port of Hueneme, which may be ready to move from my namespace to the mainspace so others can contribute. I wanted to check with more experienced editors about this and I also thought this may require an administrator.

I enjoy contributing to the history of Ventura County and this confusion on Wikipedia has always been annoying. Fettlemap (talk) 21:08, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

 Moved; good luck! It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 21:17, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

dead link

There's a dead link on Blind Willies page.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_Willies

This is the new link: http://wasser-prawda.de/item/blind-willies-needle-feather-and-a-rope

When I click on edit it takes me to a blank box. Fayaway89 (talk) 23:38, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Already done - It appears you've already fixed the issue on your own! Thanks for the edits, Mz7 (talk) 01:29, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Another site that has my logged-in tabs

I've just happened on another site [1] that has a Wikipedia page Headley Down with all the tabs working, including my Preferences - a page that I haven't edited since 11 Mar, yet has my latest edits on other articles.

Should this be possible? If so, is there a breach of security? Be interested to know if there's any explanation - and whether I should be worried. Ta Tony Holkham (talk) 20:25, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Tony, that website is just loading the page inside a window on their page. As such it behaves like the normal page if you just accessed it directly. Sam Walton (talk) 20:28, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

The site uses Framing (World Wide Web). Apart from tricking you into revealing information outside the frame, is there any way for the site to detect what you see in the frame and for example determine your Wikipedia username? PrimeHunter (talk) 20:51, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, both. Ah, now you've asked me a question I can't answer. I just won't use the site again. I don't think they can get my password, and my user name is my own. Tony Holkham (talk) 21:10, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I was asking Sam or others who might know. My identity is also public and I'm not concerned for myself, but I wouldn't log in with my password when I was on that site. People at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing may know more about framing. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:31, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I do a huge amount of online research so clear cookies regularly and re-log in to sites such as Wikipedia. That site came from a Google search, but I'll be a bit more careful in future. Doubt if I'd understand framing even if it was explained to me! Cheers, PH Tony Holkham (talk) 22:46, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry unduly about it, if your browser is set up sensibly, but I would never log on or edit through a site like that. With this particular Wikipedia frame you can be pretty sure it is actually a page served directly from WP, because it has your account name, preferences etc. But with social networking sites that are promiscuous with your user data, it might well be another story. Ghostery is your friend. All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 02:53, 6 April 2014 (UTC).

How to manage multiple references to the same source, but on different pages?

Normally, when I use a source that includes the page number (like a book), the page number is embedded in the reference. But what if I use that reference four times in an article, but with four different pages from across that source (eg. pages 4, 12, 100, and 322)?

Should I put those four separate pages in the same reference entry? Or should leave out page numbers from the reference itself, and do reference embeds like this: ^[1]:3, where I'm grabbing from page 3? The article that uses this questionable format is Chien-Shiung Wu.

→ozhu量 (talk·contribs) 06:25, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ozhu, you can do this by using simplified footnotes with an appropriate tag in the citation. The easiest way to explain this is for me to fix up the Chien-Shiung Wu page and then you can see how it's done. Once the edit is complete I will leave a message on your talk page. Cheers, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 09:13, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Philg88, I am also very interested in this question, so would you please advise here when it is done? --Gronk Oz (talk) 10:05, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gronk Oz, it's done and you can see the difference between the two versions here. Please ignore the {{convert}} template that I also added, as that has nothing to do with referencing. If you need any further info, please feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Cheers, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 10:13, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I also like to use [2] for this problem. Regards, Myrtle Myrtlegroggins (talk) 10:35, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

I would like to add a short paragraph regarding criticism of the "Law of Attraction."

I don't know how to use the Wiki editor, however. Perhaps someone can assist me with this project? Thank you. Signed TinaCFLE (talk) 03:05, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Tina, welcome to Wikipedia. Basically click "edit" at the top of the page, or the "edit" by a section heading and just type your paragraph. Sources are always good, of course. If you want to try the paragraph here, and get help with any fiddly bits, please do so. All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 03:41, 6 April 2014 (UTC).

Hi @TinaCFLE: -- there's a helpful tutorial you can take at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TWA/Portal valereee (talk) 11:46, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Edit search bar in the edit window

In the tool bar on an edit page I like to use the search bar to locate a word in the article so I can get to it quickly; however I find that the search term I enter stays there and I can't get rid of it, with the consequence that after I've done this a few times this list becomes too long for comfort. I would like to remove from the search bar, all the search terms that I no longer need. Can anybody help?  Jodosma  10:46, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

jodosma, I do this by using the browsers "Find" or "Find in page" option. Flat Out let's discuss it 03:44, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I hadn't thought of that. I never stop learning! However I would still like to clear the search terms. Jodosma  (talk) 11:40, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Further to my last. It's OK folks, I just found out how to do it.  Jodosma  (talk) 12:03, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Screwed up, can someone help?

I totally screwed up something this morning and now I don't know how to undo it without making it worse. Can someone help?

It's an article for creation. I declined it, and then I saw on my watchlist that the creator had deleted the decline. I thought I was undoing that deletion, but I managed instead to delete the original request for creation. Then I tried to undo what I'd just done, and I made it worse. Arg. Now I don't want to touch it any more -- can someone more competent fix it? It's here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Shahzaib_Ali_Abbasi&action=history

Sorry, I'm an idiot. valereee (talk) 10:10, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

A very nice Wikipedian has come and solved it for you (Not me!). But you are not an idiot, you simply became confused. Next time you get into a mess, look at the article's edit history, choose to open the last clean version, and save that. Any apparent disasters will vanish as if by magic. Try this out in your own sandbox and see how it works. We all make mistakes. You had the wisdom to come and ask for help with yours. Fiddle Faddle 10:45, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Fiddle Faddle! I saw that it was fixed and thanked the person!  :) And, yes, I need to go practice in my sandbox.  :) So the original problem I was trying to fix: what -should- I do about an article that I declined, then discover the person has deleted the decline? Just go back to AfC and decline it again with a comment? valereee (talk) 11:39, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

I am torn between discussing it with them on their talk page, and going back and re-appraising the article. Their deletion of your comments and resubmission seems to me to be a rejection of your appraisal, so re-appraising an unchanged article yourself seems pointless. After thought, I would thus recommend the editor's talk page. I'm not using any process diagram here, just what appears to make the most sense.

As a side issue, I reviewed the article as if no-one else had reviewed it and declined it as well. Your rationale was soiund. I simply expanded on it. Fiddle Faddle 11:50, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

That was you, then! Thanks! I'd actually commented on it and then realized that timtrent was Fiddle Faddle. valereee (talk) 12:10, 6 April 2014 (UTC)