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Copying and pasting from my Sandbox

Hi, My original question has already gone to Wikipedia/Articles for Creation/Help desk but I don't think that's an appropriate location for it, as my work is to be added to an existing article. Currently the work is in my Sandbox:Wikipedia talk:Articles for Creation/Spectrum of a Chirp Pulse and I wish to add it to the article "Chirp". I can put a copy of the article onto my clipboard from my Sandbox (or from Wordpad), but where and how do I paste into the current article? I wish to add it as a new subsection after "Uses and occurrences", but before "See also". Please advise David D1ofBerks (talk) 17:43, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. There isn't a Wikipedia talk:Articles for Creation/Spectrum of a Chirp Pulse, but I assume that you are referring to User:D1ofBerks/sandbox? If it is intended to be an update to Chirp, your best bet would be to post to Talk:Chirp, explaining briefly the reason for the change and giving a wikilink to User:D1ofBerks/sandbox. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:08, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I think you are right.Ellie (talk) 18:18, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Company Page

Hi, I just want to know that if it is possible to create a article on my company.

Thanks

Sharmatanvi (talk) 06:31, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Sharmatanvi. An article about a company needs to demonstrate that the company is notable, which means that it has received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. In this case, you have a personal conflict of interest, since it is "your" company. I encourage you to declare your COI on your user page. If you tell us a bit more about the company, we can give you a more specific recommendation about how best to proceed if the company actually is notable. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:45, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Sharmatanvi. To create your user page, click on the red link above each time your name is used. You may tell us about your company to the extent that it is necessary to declare your conflict of interest, but you can't write about your company there. It is preferred that you not write the article yourself, but if your company passes the notability test, you can do it through Wikipedia:Articles for creation. That way others can evaluate your work before it becomes an actual encyclopedia article. Another way is to go to Wikipedia:Requested articles to ask that the article be created, but that can take a long time. In both cases, make sure you are working from reliable, independent sources. The company's web site is not acceptable at this point except for some factual information. The problem is that company web sites tend to be written in promotional language that is not acceptable for an encyclopedia article. This is also the problem with articles written by people close to the subject. You can try to write with a neutral point of view but it is difficult.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 16:02, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I would think that you could write an article about this, but it is good to not advertise on Wikipedia.Ellie (talk) 19:49, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Donkey

Do you know any donkey pictures on Wikipedia? Also, could someone find the origin of the donkey? Thanks for reading.Ellie (talk) 19:47, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ellie, welcome to the Teahouse. You can enter a search term in the search box at the top right. Entering "Donkey" leads to our article Donkey which has a history section and several images. There are many more images at commons:Category:Equus asinus. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:57, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eliannai (talk • contribs) 19:59, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

how to include an italian wikipedia page in an article

I'm putting together an article an some pages do not exist in the english wiki site. how do I include an italian wikipedia page in an article ?.Engblu (talk) 06:32, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Engblu. I'm not sure what you mean by "include".

• If you want to translate part of the Italian article into English, you're welcome to: you should say so in your edit summary, so that the material is properly attributed (see translation).
• If you mean you want to include some Italian text in the English article, please don't
• If you want to link to the Italian article, you can do so by starting the link with ":it:" (note the colon at the beginning). So [[:it:Roma|]] displays a link to the Italian article Roma. (The | at the end is to make the link display as Roma rather than it:Roma - see pipe trick.)
• If you mean a reference, then don't: Wikipedias are not reliable sources, as they can be edited by anybody. You could however reference whatever sources the Italian article references. --ColinFine (talk) 08:57, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

How do i create a bio page of an actor ?

Hello, how do i create a bio page of an actor ?Mumbai2009 (talk) 08:27, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. To create a bio page for an actor, first go to the criteria for inclusion of biographies to choose your title, and the page must be about a popular and notable actor, but not a stub. If it is and it meets the criteria after reading it, go to the Article Wizard to start on your article. It have guidelines to let you know how to make that page. Hope you have fun editing! --Nahnah4 | Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! 09:24, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

The title of a biography is supposed to be the person's name. Notability is a consequence of the existence of acceptable sources, it is not a synonym for popularity - see WP:NACTOR for guidance. There is nothing at all wrong with creating a stub article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:44, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

What is the function of points of wikipedia?

If I get more points, then what kind of benefit can I get? I am just interested in it, even it will bring me no benefit, I will keep contributing high quality contents to wikipedia.Jackiekie123 (talk) 01:27, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jackiekie123, and welcome to the Teahouse. I assume by "points", you mean the red or green numbers you find next to your contributions? That isn't a point system - those numbers simply indicate the number of characters either added or subtracted from the page in that edit. The red negatives indicate a subtraction of characters, and the green positives indicate additions. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:36, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

And the numbers are just how many bytes the article increased in. (Characters=bytes). TheQ Editor (Talk) 01:52, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

The numbers indicate the change in bytes, not characters. Most "ordinary" characters consist of one byte of data, characters with diacritics, many non-latin characters, and various other symbols, consist of two bytes. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:54, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Global Account Management

Ok, I don't know whether I should be asking this here, but the problem is that I had my username changed yesterday from Zince34 to HgandVenus. That had no problem on the local wiki, but when I checked my preferences, my global account had been disabled. When I activated it and tried to log on to wikidata, I found that my new username was a new account and my previous contributions existed at my old username. Could Please somebody move it to my new one? Zince34' 10:04, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

FYI, although the username has been changed at this site, Zince34 still exists as a new account. Zince34' 10:04, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi HgandVenus, please update your signature at Special:Preferences so it links to your new account. It's confusing that you sign as Zince34 when you post as HgandVenus. User renames are only for one wiki. Your English Wikipedia account was renamed. Your Zince34 accounts at other wikis were not. Zince34 became unregistered at the English Wikipedia when you were renamed. You must have logged in as Zince34 at another wiki and then visited the English Wikipedia without logging out first. Special:Log/Zince34 shows that automatically created Zince34 with today (16 May 2014) as creation day. Special:CentralAuth/Zince34 only shows edits at Wikidata. You can request a user rename with the blue button at wikidata:Wikidata:Bureaucrats' noticeboard, or abandon the account there and start using HgandVenus instead. I see you already created HgandVenus at Wikidata, so that account would have to be renamed too before renaming Zince34 to HgandVenus. You only have 9 edits as Zince34 and it's easier to just abandon them. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:58, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I'll keep my signature for new, for it will be more confusing to use different signatures at same discussions. Thanks, Primehunter, for clearing my doubts about all this mess I've made. Thanks a lot, Zince34' 11:08, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

The dual accounts don't matter to us if you only use one of them. I once accidentally created User:PrimeHunter-en here when I requested usurpation of the PrimeHunter name at the French Wikipedia and visited the English Wikipedia while logged in. And then I have deliberately created User:PrimeHunter2 and User:PrimeHunter3 for experiments with the user interface. WP:SOCK#LEGIT mentions some situations where multiple accounts are allowed. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:57, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

article rejected...

Re: Altared article rejected - Hello; I read the reviewer comments from "FoCuSandLeArN", and the notability/verifiable rules, and it seems that my article has met the criteria. There are hundreds of articles on Wikipedia of bands that have lesser notability and verifiability. Please advise. Thank you, - Contributor4376 Contributor4376 (talk) 12:48, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I assume this relates to Draft:Altared Altared - Arjayay (talk) 12:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Having read the draft article, which is difficult as it is unformatted, and tried a Google search, I would agree with the comments made - the band does not appear to meet the Wikipedia:Notability (music) criteria - it appears to be WP:TOOSOON to create an article. Comparisons with other articles are not acceptable, please see WP:Other stuff exists. We can look at those articles, but the fact that one article breaks the rules is no reason to allow any others to - we try to bring all articles up to a high standard - we do not want everyone copying the worst. - Arjayay (talk) 12:58, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Contributor4376, I'm sorry, but FoCuSandLeArN is absolutely correct; your draft is nowhere near ready to become an article. Please review the guidance at the Notability guideline (summarised quite effectively here) and make some major changes to your submission before resubmitting it. At present, not a single one of the sources provided meets the requirements for notability, and that's without dealing with the formatting (or lack thereof) and promotional content. Yunshui ^雲_水 13:00, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

why my references not good enough

I got rejected due to my references, However when I look at the references they seem to fit in the guidelines, can some one help me to fix the issues please thanks

Poster has pasted the whole draft page in here

Submission declined on 10 May 2014 by Timtrent (talk). This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability—see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. What you can do: Add citations (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners) to secondary reliable sources that are entirely independent of the subject. Declined by Timtrent 3 minutes ago. Last edited by Timtrent 1 second ago. Reviewer: Inform author. Resubmit Please note that if the issues are not fixed, the draft will be rejected again. AFC-Logo Decline.svg Submission declined on 31 March 2014 by Anne Delong (talk). This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability—see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. What you can do: Add citations (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners) to secondary reliable sources that are entirely independent of the subject. You are encouraged to make improvements by clicking on the "Edit" tab at the top of this page. If you require extra help, ask a question at the Articles for creation help desk. You may also like to try the live help chat with experienced editors. Find sources: "AKSA Power Generation" – books · scholar · JSTOR · free images.Declined by Anne Delong 40 days ago. Last edited by Timtrent 1 second ago. Reviewer: Inform author. Resubmit Please note that if the issues are not fixed, the draft will be rejected again. AFC-Logo Decline.svg Symbol opinion vote.svg Comment: Please try harder to understand references. They must be about the corporation, and in WP:RS, not about the make and model (eg) of generator it uses. Thsi list: FORBES 3 CIHAN NEWS 4 Company web site[5] maktoob news [6] made-in-china[7] power systems australia[8] alibaba[9] linkedin.com[10] environmental-expert[11] business.reachlocal[12] turkish manufacturers[13] Is useless. We need you to look at what you write as a reader. Add it somehow to the text if it adds value or cut it. If you need help there are many experienced editors who will enjoy helping to. Ask for help. {{Helpme}} on your talk page with a request works well. Make me want to read your article. Fiddle Faddle 20:51, 10 May 2014 (UTC) Symbol opinion vote.svg Comment: Please find and add references to sources not connected with the company, such as news reports, product reviews, magazine articles, etc., to confirm the information in this article, and to show that it has been written about extensively by journalists and other authors. Also, please rewrite the sections that were removed because they were copied from websites in your own words. —Anne Delong (talk) 11:17, 31 March 2014 (UTC) AKSA POWER GENERATION AKSA POWER GENERATION Type Private Industry ENERGY Founded 1968 Founder(s) Ali Metin Kazanci Headquarters 1Aksa Power Generation Corporate Office Building No:5 camii yolu cad. Gunesli 34212 Bagcilar, Istanbul, TURKEY Products Engine-generator Employees 1,000 Website www.aksa.com.tr AKSA Power Generation - Aksa Jenerator A.Ş. is a Turkish corporation that designs, manufactures, distributes, sells and services electrical power generators world wide. Headquartered in ISTANBUL, TURKEY and has three main manufacturing plants around world which are located in three continents; USA www.aksausa.com , TURKEY www.aksa.com.tr and CHINA[1] www.aksapowergen.com. AKSA Power Generation is well established and the biggest[2] company in its sector in TURKEY, selling to more than 160 countries around the world and providing 7/24 service to 81 cities in Turkey. A Aksa Genset Contents [hide] 1 History 1.1 AKSA Power Generation Business 1.2 AKSA Power Generation Distribution Business 2 References History[edit] AKSA Power Generation - Aksa Jenerator A.Ş. is a Turkish corporation that established as an electrical motor company in 1968 by its founder Ali Metin Kazanci[3] AKSA manufactured its first industrial generator engine-generator in 1984. And in 1994 Aksa Power Generation became one of 8[4] corporate under Kazanci Holding www.kazancigolding.com.tr achieving its current structure. AKSA Power Generation is among the largest 200 exporter companies in TURKEY .2 AKSA Power Generation Business[edit] AKSA Power Generation Business Unit consists of high-end brand name diesel,gas and lpg engines cummins john deere lister petter doosan , Alternators mecc alte, stamford[5] , soundproofed generator cabins-canopy kit, lighting towers, power transfers switches and synchronization panels and related equipment. Also provides rental and maintenance services. AKSA Power Generation Distribution Business[edit] AKSA Distribution business consists of Electrical Power Generator Distribution as well as Service and Parts. The distribution unit of AKSA consists of 3 main self owned distributors that covers 3 continent and 10 joint ventures.[6] References[edit] Jump up ^ http://en.cihan.com.tr/caption/A-Turkish-Company-Opens-World-s-Biggest-Generator-Factory-in-China-CHNzEyNDE1LzQ Jump up ^ http://en.cihan.com.tr/caption/A-Turkish-Company-Opens-World-s-Biggest-Generator-Factory-in-China-CHNzEyNDE1LzQ Jump up ^ http://www.forbes.com/profile/ali-metin-kazanci/ Jump up ^ http://www.kazanciholding.com.tr/Default.aspx Jump up ^ https://www.cumminsgeneratortechnologies.com/en/products/stamford/ Jump up ^ http://www.aksa.com.tr/en/sale-service-points/sale-point-maps FORBES 3 CIHAN NEWS 4 Company web site[5] maktoob news [6] made-in-china[7] power systems australia[8] alibaba[9] linkedin.com[10] environmental-expert[11] business.reachlocal[12] turkish manufacturers[13]

Costurk (talk) 06:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Costurk. Please don't paste the whole page in here, as it gets reformatted and is hard to read. It's much better to link to it thus [[Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/AKSA Power Generation]], which displays as Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/AKSA Power Generation.

The references currently in your draft are either bare URL's or just names of sources. Please read referencing for beginners. Once you have formatted the references properly it will be much easier to determine if they are good enough. --ColinFine (talk) 09:03, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Costurk. The references are not the only problem. A lot of the information in the draft appears to be a list, and that's not how this article should be written on Wikipedia. Change the list to complete sentences and it will look better.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:55, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject guideline for institutions

I was just wondering if there was a guideline here on Wikipedia for creating articles about institutions/schools. Thanks.--Noldoxis 03:11, 16 May 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noldoxis (talk • contribs)

Hi Noldoxis - WikiProject Schools offers good advice for school articles. Their guidelines for school articles can be found here. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 03:14, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Noldoxis. You can find our broad notability guideline about organizations and companies, which would cover institutions and schools, at the shortcut WP:ORG. Attempts to create a specific guideline for schools have not been successful. However, there is a pretty well established consensus, described at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, that articles about accredited, degree awarding secondary schools, colleges and universities are kept, as long as at least one independent reliable source confirms the school's existence. As for articles about elementary schools, most such articles end up redirected to education sections of articles on the relevant localities, or school district articles. Articles on elementary schools of exceptional historical or architectural significance are usually kept. But each article is evaluated on its individual merits. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:28, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Central Elementary School (Albemarle, North Carolina) is an article about an elementary school that at least two people have said qualifies. It's an unusual case since the elementary school moved into a historic building only seven years ago, but the building certainly seems to qualify for an article.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:57, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

British or American spelling?

After viewing articles written both ways, I've become curious as to whether spelling on Wikipedia should be in American or British English when there is a discrepancy between the two's spellings of a word. If someone could please enlighten me on this point, that would be great. Thanks! --Noldoxis (talk) 22:03, 16 May 2014 (UTC)n

Hello, Noldoxis. If it is a British topic like London, the spelling should be British. If it is an American topic like Los Angeles, the spelling should be American. If it is a general topic with no connection to any one English speaking country, like Engineering, the original writer selects the spelling style, and subsequent editors should stick with it. For details, see the shortcut WP:ENGVAR. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:13, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay, got it. Thank you!

Is this article unreferenced? Or referenced in a way I'm unaware of?

I spotted the Scambos Glacier article and there are no inline citations, however, it says

This article incorporates public domain material from the United States Geological Survey document "Scambos Glacier" (content from the Geographic Names Information System) and displays this symbol: {{usgs-gazetteer}} Can someone explain this to me? Bali88 (talk) 00:42, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Bali! I believe what the author originally meant is that the article was referenced, but they did not make a reference section like most articles have. WooHoo! • Talk to me! 02:05, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi, and again welcome. That notice was produced by the following template towards the bottom of the entry: {{usgs-gazetteer}} . The GNIS entry for that particular feature is at http://geonames.usgs.gov/apex/f?p=gnispq:5:::NO::P5_ANTAR_ID:18356 Looking at that entry, the whole article is basically pasted from the "Description" there. --Gronk Oz (talk) 02:22, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I see what they did now. I thought maybe it was some sort of sourcing or article that I just hadn't seen before. :-) Bali88 (talk) 02:28, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Change page title and URL to reflect new artist's name

I created this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Bitencourt But now this artist adopted a new artist name, calling himself officially "Paulo Béthencourt". I already changed it in the article, but how can I change the page title and URL, so that it reflects his new name? Old: Paulo Bitencourt --> New: Paulo Béthencourt Carl Sagan 2 (talk) 07:41, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

I have answered this on the Help desk. Please don't post questions in more than one place. --ColinFine (talk) 09:36, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Alphabetizing names on categories page

I added some categories to an article about an American artist. When I go to the category page, his named is alphabetized under his first name rather than last. I've looked at other WP bios and can't see that I've done anything differently from those, yet in those instances the alphabetization is correct. Thanks for your help. TimidGuy (talk) 11:03, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

TimdGuy, hi. You need to use the template {{DEFAULTSORT}} which will enable you to tell the software to work off his surname rather than forename when the article appears in categories etc. Nthep (talk) 11:20, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

This time, I've done it for TimidGuy to show him how. Deor (talk) 12:53, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks so much, Nthep and Deor. I really appreciate your kind help. TimidGuy (talk) 14:38, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

TimidGuy, you can also use a piped link like [[Category:20th-century politicians|Reagan]], so this article or category would appear under "Reagan" for Category:20th-century politicians. But if you are adding a lot of categories, {{DEFAULTSORT}} would cover them all unless there is a piped link. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:53, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks so much, Liz. This is good to know. TimidGuy (talk) 11:12, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Copyrights for pictures.

Hi If a picture was posted and it got taken down for incorrect copyright information, can I reupload it with the correct information? Also if I have written consent from the photographer to use the picture and it is posted on their flickr page what copyright license would it be under? JSOR11 50.155.130.210 (talk) 22:39, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Welcome! If the permissive copyright information is publicly accessible, just re-post it with the original source showing the license. If the permission is only via consent from the author, then please forward the consent to OTRS via permissions-commons@wikimedia.org and link URL where the file was before it was deleted. VQuakr (talk) 22:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm interested in this topic too. I've uploaded a couple of photos I took that were tagged with "this has the wrong license" or something. I thought the little upload wizard was pretty self-explanatory, but then it told me I did it wrong. I haven't sat down to do the research what I did wrong with the photos. Does anyone know what the common reason is for this notification? Bali88 (talk) 00:46, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Bali88. I haven't used the upload wizard in a long time, so I don't know how clear it is. But I would say that the most common reason for this is people not understanding that permission to use a picture on Wikipedia is not enough. Permission is required to use the picture for any purpose, by releasing it under a license such as CC-BY-SA. It is also required that this release either be done publicly (eg on the website where the picture was published) or communicated to Wikimedia using the OTRS process. --ColinFine (talk) 09:41, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

So, even if I take the picture myself, there is some sort of external process or form I need to fill out aside from the wizard process? Bali88 (talk) 12:45, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Not if it's a photo you took. There is an extra issue depending on what the subject is, if you photograph something that is copyrighted itself, like a new statue then you may need to get permission off the copyright holder of the object as well. It's all very convoluted and best dealt with on a case by case basis. If it's a picture of a person then it's only the photographer's permission that is needed, so if it's your photo, no problem. Nthep (talk) 13:26, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Sandboxes and Archiving

Okay, I have two somewhat unrelated questions. The first is: If I was to create a new article, how would I create a sandbox in which to save my work on the article before actually publishing it to Wikipedia? The second question is: How can I archive talk in my User Talk page? Thank you. --Noldoxis (talk) 16:39, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

A sandbox is simply a page at the title of you user page or user talk page with "/name" appended to it. So if you wanted to work up a draft of an article on, say, widgets, you might create the sandbox at User:Noldoxis/Widgets. Once your article about widgets was ready to go "live", you could then place it in the mainspace by moving it to just Widgets. Or, when you think it's ready, you can add to the top of the page {{subst:Submit}}, which will submit the page to the Articles for Creation process for review (upon acceptance, the reviewer will move it to the mainspace). The interface also provides a link to create a sandbox (look up for the link that says "sandbox") but it defaults to the on-the-nose title, User:Name/sandox; a tailored name scheme is generally better. You can create the page simply by typing its title in doubled brackets, hitting preview, which will show you the link like User:Noldoxis/Widgets, click on that link, and then create the page. As for archiving, please see Help:Archiving a talk page. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:26, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello Noldoxis. There is plenty of good information on this at Help:New_article. Another quick and easy way to create an article is just to type its name into the Wikipedia Search box. Wikipedia will display a page with the message "Wikipedia does not have a user page with this exact name", and it gives you the option to create that new article. Hope this helps. --Gronk Oz (talk) 17:38, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Red and Green Edit Symbols

Sorry, one more question: Could someone please explain what the red and green pieces of text are that appear next to edits in the page history section? They look kind of like this: (-17). --Noldoxis (talk) 16:46, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

@Noldoxis: Hey Noldoxis. That's the number of bytes you changed in each edit made (which corresponds generally to the number of characters you added or removed); (+17) means you added 17 bytes and (-17) means you removed 17 bytes. For more, see Help:User contributions. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:59, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

To be a little bit pedantic, it is the net change in the size of the article. If 100 characters were added, and 101 removed, the number would show as (red) -1. I mention this only because a small number does not necessarily mean a small change. --Gronk Oz (talk) 17:20, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

That's OK, Gronk Oz. We've got to be a bit pedantic to be Teahouse hosts. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:18, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Deleting unused accounts

I currently have three Wikipedia accounts. Two were created on the fly, in front of my Technical Writing class at Temple University when I became frustrated about username/password issues.

I want to delete those two and use only my primary one, of which I promise to remember the password from now on...  :-)

Anyone know how to delete an unused and no longer needed account?

jackJkrick77 (talk) 11:55, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello Jack and welcome to the Teahose. User accounts cannot be deleted. If you want to make sure no one will ever use your old account ever again, you can change its password to a long string of random characters. --Pitke (talk) 12:27, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

If you want, Jkrick77, you can put a note on those two user pages saying that they were created in a classroom exercise and are inactive. A big majority of Wikipedia accounts are inactive, and that's OK. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:23, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

HI, if you used your email address you can get a new password sent to you. If not we have millions of unused accounts, don't worry about them. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 19:16, 17 May 2014 (UTC).

Help with defining a corporate logo as a NON-FREE LOGO IMAGE

Hi,

I am writing to ask about the logo that is currently on our company's wikipedia entry here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campustours

I've been told that this logo image is not correctly categorized as a NON-FREE LOGO. I have checked the criteria for non-free image inclusion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Logos#Uploading_non-free_logos

but I am unclear if we can simply make a change to this logo or if it must be re-uploaded with the new license applied. Can someone give me a hand?

72.227.114.134 (talk) 19:19, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The logo will need to be re-uploaded at Wikipedia. This is because the Wikimedia Commons, which is where the image is currently located, only accepts free images; the logo you wish to upload would be non-free. Wikipedia's upload form is located at Wikipedia:Upload. Before you upload the file, make sure the file follows the rules outlined at Wikipedia:Fair_use#Rationale. One change that will have to be made is to reduce the size of the image before uploading it. I'd recommend a width of 150 pixels or so in this case. Once ready, the upload form I linked to previously will guide you through choosing the correct fair use rationale. Be sure to fill out the box asking you how the use of the file will be minimal (or in other words, how the file meets the fair use rationale I mentioned earlier). Something like "The logo is used to identify the subject of the article. The size has been reduced from its original form...[etc.]". If you have any more questions, please ask! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 19:39, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

It is not that easy. The logo of a company that exists and has been properly protected by the company, belongs to the company. Has the logo not been protected, it still is in public domain, even though usage should determine it belongs to the company (See AT&T ruling and similar: Statnet in Norway). The other is exception is where the company, and owner of the trademark has ceased to exist and nobody has paid in full for trademarks and licenses (e.g. bankruptcy, or company acquisition / cease to exist). Then the logo is free for anyone else to use, regardless of how the Wikipedia decides to police articles. Let us stick to international IPR - and not start a special "Wikipedia" variant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khflottorp (talk • contribs) 11:57, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

@Khflottorp: If I'm understanding your post correctly, a lot of that is incorrect (at least in the United States), and I'm not sure what any of that has to do with OP's question. I'm not familiar with the AT&T case you cite, but a logo does not to be trademarked to be protected by copyright, and it certainly would not be in the public domain for a lack of trademarking. The dissolving of an image's owner would put the file as an orphaned work, which is a sketchy area, but I still wouldn't claim such a work as being in the public domain. The common exception is when the logo is made up of simple geometry and/or text, but even then logos are protected by trademark in the US, which does not have to be registered for. If we're talking about the licensing needed for Campus Tour's logo, it does not fall under simple geometry and fair use needs to be claimed.

Beyond that, we are on Wikipedia, and Wikipedia's policies are what we follow. You cannot ignore that in favor of some other form of guidelines. Wikipedia's file licensing policies tend to be more strict than the law, for good reason - to protect both Wikipedia and its uploaders. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 20:36, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

I just submitted my first article and it's been proposed for deletion. I don't understand how to stop the deletion.

I just submitted my first article and it's been proposed for deletion. I don't understand how to stop the deletion. I can't see the deletion tag on the article's page. AluminumAMAluminumAM (talk) 23:10, 17 May 2014 (UTC)I just submitted my first article and it's been proposed for deletion. I don't understand how to stop the deletion. I can't see the deletion tag on the article's page. AluminumAMAluminumAM (talk) 23:10, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Firstly don't panic! "Proposed deletion" is reasonably slow. If you are convinced the reason is incorrect you can remove the "prod" notice and the page should either be kept or go to a full debate on deletion. I will go and look at the page, and let you have my comments in a few minutes. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:12, 18 May 2014 (UTC).

OK, another user removed the "Proposed deletion" tag about 30 minutes after it was added. I think you need have no fear on this score. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:15, 18 May 2014 (UTC).

Am I incorrect that this needs sources?

I added "citation needed" tags to Xaar because, while well written, a large bit of it seems to be unsourced. The author had such a bad reaction that now I'm wondering if somehow I'm misreading what's going on with the article. I don't have the desire to deal with the author anymore, but this needs sources, right? Am I misinterpreting how he's sourced it? Bali88 (talk) 22:03, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello Bali88. One of our core content policies is Verifiability, which says "any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material." You have challenged several parts of the article, asking in good faith for verification, and so someone should provide additional references. I think that Tigerboy1966 reacted to your request with an unfriendly edit summary. That editor contributes a lot regarding race horses, and is very productive. But our content policies apply to the work of all editors, including highly experienced ones. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:18, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. It does indeed look like a quality article despite the sourcing issue. I just had one of those "Is it me?" moments. Bali88 (talk) 22:24, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for snarkiness. It looked like a drive-by tagging to me. If I find an inadequately sourced article I try to improve it. Tigerboy1966  22:33, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the apology. Quite solidly written aside from the citation issues. Bali88 (talk) 23:13, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

I need to remove AfD that has been pending for a week and with a response that seems synchronized

A page I have created called "Vaibhav Maloo" with over 2 dozen references from top publishing houses of India and the World is being refuted by SmallJim. An AfD was pending for a week and just received response after I posted here "that it has no response" and his arguments are getting worse. There are few people who caught our argument finally and are supporting him. Please intervene if you think its worthy of this site otherwise please tell me what is missing. On another note, thank you for inviting me. Appreciate it. Kryptonite1234 (talk) 21:21, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Kryptonite1234, and welcome to the Teahouse. Sorry to hear about your troubles with the AfD process. I recommend you take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion to get a better idea of how the AfD process works. AfD discussions run for at least 7 days, after which an administrator will take a look at the discussion and determine the result of the discussion. If no consensus is met, the admin may extend the discussion for another seven days to get more input from users. You cannot simply close the discussion because you do not agree with where it's heading. As for the question of whether or not something fishy is going on, it doesn't look like it to me. All participants have provided good, valid input as to why they believe the article should be deleted, mainly that the subject does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for people. I recommend reading the pages linked in each editors' response in the AfD to get a better understanding of their reasoning.

As for joining the Teahouse, anyone can participate at the Teahouse with asking or answering questions; you can also sign up as either a host or guest. A host is someone who is experienced with editing and is willing to help others in a courteous manner. Guests are editors who are new and looking for help. At the moment, I think signing up as a guest is the best option for you, until you get a bit more experience with editing :) Let us know if you have any more questions. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 22:32, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the prompt response. Just one question, does my first subject meet the suitable guidelines for wiki or should I just let it be and remove it to get a better track record of creating articles. I have seen ample articles and this site has been my primary site for research both on people and subjects, and I thought this one made sense, especially with the work he is handling in India with respect to health and wellbeing of over 100 million people through Enso Care and other things. What do you recommend? Yes, I think I am better off as guest considering I am having trouble at the moment :) Kryptonite1234 (talk) 22:36, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

@Kryptonite1234: No problem! Whether or not the article meets Wikipedia's guidelines is up for debate (hence the AfD). Remember that whether or not an article meets the notability guidelines is often not black-and-white, and different editors will have different views. I don't have much time to look into it in-depth, but it does appear that the majority of sources for Maloo mention him in mere passing, or are from Maloo/Ensocare itself, so I would lean towards deleting in this case. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 00:14, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Got it! I will do the honors myself.Kryptonite1234 (talk) 00:26, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

@Kryptonite1234: Hmm...not sure what you mean by doing the honors yourself. If you wish to delete the article yourself, you can only request to do so if you authored the article and are the only major contributor to it. In this particular case, I'd just let the AfD run its course (which is pretty much the only option). ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 00:42, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I did. Just created this account. I have taken a .doc copy in case situation changes. Can I delete it because I don't want it flagged for future? Or do I have to let it be?Kryptonite1234 (talk) 00:45, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Again, you can only request the deletion of an article under speedy deletion criteria G7 if you are the only major contributor to the article. If you look at the article's history, many other editors have contributed to the article. Also note that normal editors cannot delete articles on their own; administrators can.

Just let the AfD run its course :) ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 00:58, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

How to Discontinue Being a Host

Does anyone know how to stop being registered as a host on the Teahouse? Thanks. --Noldoxis (talk) 01:41, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

All hosts are listed at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host landing. You can simply remove yourself from that list. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:44, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed User?

How can I find out whether or not I am an autoconfirmed user? Thanks. Joseph Yanchar (talk) 01:50, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Go into "preferences" on the first tab "Member of groups" will tell you. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 02:09, 18 May 2014 (UTC).

Welcome to the Teahouse, Joseph Yanchar. Almost all new editors will become autoconfirmed after four days and at least 10 edits. Some who use the Tor network have to wait longer. Though you have at least 65 edits, you just signed up about a day ago. So you will be autoconfirmed in about three days. See the shortcut WP:AUTOCONFIRM for complete details. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:15, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

How to make template

Hi! I need help to how to make a template. I am only a begginer Fawzifawzitimetofawzi (talk) 05:32, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Fawzifawzitimetofawzi. A great place for a beginner to start is Help:Template. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:40, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

I have written an article and it has user:rotoruasda/sandbox as the title instead of 'Adrienne Whitewood'

How do I change the page title and have it uploaded onto wikipedia? Also how do I embed a picture on the article please? Thanks Rotoruasda (talk) 10:27, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Rotoruasda. I see you have found a way to do it, by copying and pasting. In this case, that is acceptable, because you were the only editor who had worked on the page, but in general you should never do this, because it loses the contribution history of a page: normally, you should move the page instead.

It would be better if you had not moved the page to mainspace, because it is not ready to exist as an article, as you see from the speedy deletion notice that somebody has put on it. Please read the links to the notice to understand why it has been nominated. Note that the nomination does not say that she is unimportant: it says that the article does not give any reason to regard her as important: Wikipedia does not have an article on everybody on the planet, or even every fashion designer. Winning an award might be enough, but the article does not give us any indication of what the award was, or how significant.

If you add material that shows her importance, that may overcome the speedy deletion, but I'm afraid that is not the end of it. The article may still get deleted through a slower process (articles for deletion) unless the article establishes that she is notable (in the special Wikipedia sense, which is different from 'important') - that several reliable sources, independent of her, have written at length about her. I suggest that you move the article (or asked for it to be moved) to draft space, where you can work on it without risking deletion, and submit it for review when you think it is ready. Please see articles for creation. --ColinFine (talk) 11:51, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

91.35.58.48 (talk) 20:20, 16 May 2014 (UTC)My page Unified Physics (and a few further) has been deleted91.35.58.48 (talk) 20:20, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

91.35.58.48 (talk) 20:20, 16 May 2014 (UTC)My Unified Physics is my theory indeed, but it has the great potential to change our world. And it is more than twenty years old. There are about ten books treating the topic. My Open Science Academy website (www.openscienceacademy.eu) is available for free, like Wikipedia. Why should this important knowledge not be made available for the Wikipedia publicity too?91.35.58.48 (talk) 20:20, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Because Wikipedia is not for publicity of anything - whether a company, an organisation, an artist, a charity, or a theory. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, and everything in it needs to have been written about in some reliable sources, independent of the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 22:33, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Is the reading (and thinking) part of the humanity not a publicity? Sorr, I do not understand your argumentation, ColinFine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Jakubowski (talk • contribs) 12:04, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Things to do for not getting deleted a page.

Sir, I have made a page "Azeotropy (festival)". Some-one has proposed for deletion. Can you please tell me what are the things that I need to do so that page doesn't get deleted.

Thank youAnkitgupta1335 (talk) 12:24, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ankitgupta1335 and welcome to the Teahouse. The reason your article has been proposed for deletion is that it does not contain references citing reliable sources. Other than the Times of India, the sources you have provided are either self-published or crowd-sourced. Please see this guide for more details.  Philg88 ^♦talk 15:00, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Miles-butler hughton

My page has simallar resources to the Kia Pegg page and is nominated for a deletion, why? SillyPotatoe (talk) 15:36, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Welcome SillyPotatoe to Teahouse! It all depends on the coverage on the subject which is one part of notability, by looking at the two article we could see that their both children actors that play on the same show, however we could see that Kia Pegg has been in a couple more movies in which are referenced and has more broad coverage. ///EuroCarGT 15:53, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Other stuff exists is no argument whatsoever - we can look at Kia Pegg, but all articles should meet our criteria, not constantly aim to lower the standard. - Arjayay (talk) 15:56, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

How do I report a persistent IP vandal?

User_talk:116.118.42.60 keeps replacing Epic (2013 film) with some weird irrelevant content and says "Thank You" on the edit summary. HE appears to have already been blocked but is editing again Minimalist (Let's talk.) 13:01, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

He was blocked for one month today. If you look at his contributions, he last edited before the block, which means he cannot edit for one month. Thanks, Matty.007 13:59, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

@Ipal64: For the future, you can report persistent vandals over at WP:AIV. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 18:08, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Original research vs. summary of primary source - where to draw the line?

Hello, I'm working on my first article for Wikipedia. The article is about "Mary Beaumont" (real name: Rosa Mellor Oakes), a minor Victorian author.

When writing summaries of Beaumont's fictional works, I want to make sure that I don't include any original research.

Would the following statement be considered original research? "As a character who is caught between two cultures and ends up dying young, Maritana has much in common with the tragic mulatto archetype that appeared in nineteenth-century American fiction. However, an important difference between this archetype and Beaumont's story is that Maritana is not a mixed-race character."

On one hand, this statement is largely factual (Maritana is torn between two cultures and does die young, and the same is true of the tragic mulatto archetype). On the other hand, since this statement isn't supported by any secondary sources, a little bit of my own interpretation might be creeping in. Any suggestions about deleting or revising this section?

Thanks for helping me with this nit-picky question. Your response will help me keep learning about Wikipedia norms and culture. Jlb6z (talk) 17:54, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Jlb6z. What you are describing is clearly your own original research, which is not acceptable on Wikipedia. You can't make any such statement, except to summarize what reliable sources say about the book. Your summaries should be limited only to what is evident to anyone in a plain reading of the original text, without your own interpretation or analysis. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:38, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, that is helpful. To clarify--asserting a likeness between two concepts (in this case, between two literary characters) counts as interpretation. Jlb6z (talk) 18:48, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

I'll try this summary instead: "The story depicts Maritana as a tragic character who is caught between two cultures and dies young."Jlb6z (talk) 18:53, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Editing Concord High School (santa Monica)

The article about Concord High School in Santa Monica contains several errors and many omissions, some of which are injurious to me personally. I tried to edit it using factual content from my own website (content I own) - but it was removed. I do not know how to fix the article now. What should I do?Packerdavis (talk) 17:21, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Packer, I'll take a look at it but for now know that WP does not allow text to be copied from a website and entered onto this pedia. Even if a WP user claims to have permission to add it. Anyone can claim to be anyone and we take such claims with a grain of salt. But we do adhere to neutrality and reliable sources so I'll look at the article and make edits as needed. Best, -- — Keithbob • Talk • 17:28, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Additionally you can leave an edit request at the talk page of the article with reliable references, other editors will take a look at your request and act accordingly.Abhinav0908 (talk) 17:34, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

You also appear to be ignoring the conflict of interest warnings that have been issued in your talk-page, which specifically advise you against adding material from your web-site - which you are repeatedly doing. Arjayay (talk) 17:43, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

In this particular case, there really is no "conflict of interest." I am just trying to set the record straight with accurate historical material.64.134.232.92 (talk) 17:52, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

See i again ask you to leave an edit request on the page and please don't cite the information from your website as a reference, use any other third party reference.Abhinav0908 (talk) 18:03, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

The article was based on bias, assumptions and a single primary source. I'm rebuilding it from the ground up using secondary sources. I suggest you stop adding content from your website as others have mentioned and if you have future problems bring the issue to WP:BLPN and for your own reference read WP:CRIME.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 18:41, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

The content is still misleading. Please see www.archive.org - type in www.concordhs.org for the years prior to 2007 (Concord Prep altered the years after that) to see the real history of the school. Please also see the Press Release authored by Henry David, Attorney at Law, The David Firm, Los Angeles, found on the "About Susan" page of www.susanpackerdavis.com to understand what occurred. No wrong doing was admitted by either side to the settlement (WP:CRIME has no bearing here - the lawsuit was a civil suit). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Packerdavis (talk • contribs) 19:21, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Picture on profile

How do you actually post your picture on your profile?When ever I try to put a file on it, it does not work!Plumerm (talk) 20:12, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Plumerm I assume the problem you're having is with your Teahouse Guest profile here. All you have to do is put the file name that you want to use after the "image=" parameter when editing. If you want to use File:Example.jpg, you would just put "Example.jpg". If you need any more help, let us know! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 21:24, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Bio of notable figure

Hi there. I am new to Wiki editing. A bio of a notable living person was deleted several months ago. It appears that a request was made for undeletion and the request was denied. If I wanted to make another attempt to add the bio to Wiki would it be best to rewrite the bio or request to have the original undeleted and fix the material that was written by the original contributor. Thanks for your help.Mpa2014 (talk) 20:17, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

@Mpa2014: Hey Mpa2014 It would be very helpful if you told us what specific page your post is about. Since its undeletion was previously requested and denied, you might try asking instead at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion for it to be userfied – though this will be ineffective if it was deleted as a copyright violation or an attack page and is less likely to be granted if it was deleted after an articles for deletion debate, as opposed to after speedy deletion or proposed deletion. Again, advice can be much more tailored if you tell us the name so that we have the facts to work with. Regardless, make sure in any new article that you cite secondary reliable sources that verify the information in the article and also substantiate notability. By the way, this site is called Wikipedia, not wiki. A wiki is any website using wiki software; there are thousands of them.. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Fuhghettaboutit and your correction on the correct name for the site is duly noted. I appreciate your feedback. Here is a reference to the specific deletion: This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference. 23:55, 6 May 2013 Orangemike (talk | contribs) deleted page Richard R. Pieper (A7: No explanation of significance (real person/animal/organization/web content/organized event)) Mpa2014 (talk) 22:37, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

@Mpa2014: Hey again. I have userfied the article to User:Mpa2014/Richard R. Pieper. I suggest you drop a link on your userpage so you remember where it is (though you can always look at your contributions, once you start working on it). Please note that this article is substantially written like a résumé (the giant list needs to come out), has a mildly promotional tone, and most critically, is substantially unsourced even though its an article on a living person. This needs great secondary sourcing; I would focus on gathering good sources first and let what they say guide your writing hand and not the other way around. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:57, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks. I appreciate your time and help. I will go to work on this. Take care. --Mpa2014 (talk) 23:36, 16 May 2014 (UTC) Hello again Fuhghettaboutit. I have made the proposed changes to this page incorporating your suggestions. What now? Who looks it over and how do I know if it meets the requirements to be reinstated? Much thanks for all your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpa2014 (talk • contribs) 23:59, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Deleting Subpages

How would I go about deleting a subpage of my userpage? Thanks, --Joseph Yanchar (talk) 23:29, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Joseph, and welcome to the Teahouse. For your own user subpages, you can request speedy deletion under G7 criteria (author requests deletion). Just place {{Db-author}} on the page and an admin should delete it in due time. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 23:34, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

{{Db-u1}} may be more appropriate for a user subpage. {{db-g7}} can be used for any page where only the one author has contributed to any substantial extent. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:43, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Whoops, U1 keeps slipping from my mind as an option. Thanks! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 00:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC)