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someone gave me feedback on talk tab of my article draft. no signagture

i dont know how to respond to the person since i dont know who they are. they left feedback about my article on the talk tab of my article draft page (my article is still waiting for review and approval or denial.) thanks. Annaweltman 19:20, 15 March 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annaweltman (talk • contribs)

Howdy @Annaweltman:.

Like any page, you can click on 'history' and see who-wrote-what-when. So, here, it shows that the commentator was 82.24.122.84 (talk · contribs).

Cheers! 86.20.193.222 (talk) 19:48, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Edit: Oh, I just noticed - they did actually sign the comment anyway. You probably didn't think it was a signature, because it was an IP user - that is, someone without the account, same as me. So their signature is the part saying,

82.24.122.84 (talk) 00:47, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

You can maybe contact them on their talk page; some people keep the same IP address for a long time. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 20:07, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

@Annaweltman: Or reply on the article's Talk page, which keeps the whole conversation in one place. To send a notification to them, start off your reply with "{{ping|86.20.193.222}}" (as I did here, for your notification). Then finish off your reply with four tildes (~~~~) to sign your message. --Gronk Oz (talk) 23:55, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, ping doesn't work for IP users. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 02:44, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying that, 86.20.193.222 - in that case I suggest replying on the article's Talk page, and dropping a quick note on the IP User's Talk page to alert them to that discussion. --Gronk Oz (talk) 23:55, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Category

I am trying to create a category for page Henry W. Laster it needs to be linked with the category of LGBT: Male Actors.. Is there a way someone can help me post it there..

Conqueryourpc (talk) 03:15, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

@Conqueryourpc: Like this. You put articles into a category by putting [[Category:Whatever]] at the end of the article. The rest is automagic. And you don't need the colon at the front, in articles.

You only use a colon if you want to say the actual name of the category - for example, on this page here; if I was to write just [[Category:Cats]], it would put this page into the category and show nothing. (In my example there, I've used 'nowiki' to avoid that). But I can put Category:Cats with a colon. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 03:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Can a person post an autograph of a person if they have it?

04:29, 16 March 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Conqueryourpc (talk • contribs)

@Conqueryourpc: It's debatable, but generally only if the person is quite well-known for signing things - otherwise there are privacy concerns; also the copyright status of the image can be problematic. It's discussed in Wikipedia:Signatures of living persons. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 16:24, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

How do you make a box like the one on Sylvester Stallone page..like where its got his picture that kind of box.

TerraCoteHoda (talk) 01:15, 17 March 2017 (UTC) ConquerYourPc

Figured out on my own... (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:48, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Basic editing question

Hi - I would like to edit some text on an article as I believe that it is incorrect. However, I was wondering whether I put this up on the talk page first to highlight the error and discuss it with the other editors, or do I simply go ahead and edit someone elses text. I wasn't sure what the etiquette was.

Thanks in advance for your help

Gallags6 (talk) 14:30, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey Gallags6. In general, Wikipedia encourages users to be bold, and make changes that they think will help improve the article. If someone reverts your changes, which is always possible, the next step is to discuss it with them on the article's talk page and reach some sort of agreement. TimothyJosephWood 14:34, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Tim for your advice. Ill go for it!

Gallags6 (talk) 14:42, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

@Gallags6: Timothyjosephwood is quite right. And the qualifier that is sometimes added to that guideline is "be bold but not reckless". The simple fact that you thought to ask here shows me that you obviously would put some thought into your edits, and base them on reliable sources. But if you think a change might be controversial, there is always the option to discuss it on the article's Talk page first. --Gronk Oz (talk) 07:04, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Lost a photo?

I uploaded a photo of an oil painting from a museum, and it didn't add to the page. When I try to re upload the image, the editor tells me that the image is already uploaded and that I'm trying to upload a duplicate. I can't locate the image I uploaded in order to place it in the article.Antifascistferret (talk) 00:16, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Antifascistferret. You can see your image uploads to Wikimedia Commons at this page. Click on the image of the painting, and an option to add the image to a wiki will appear. Click on that, copy the wikicode, and paste that code into the biography article. That will add the image to that article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:37, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Antifascistferret. When you upload an image, a page for that image is created in Wikimedia Commons, a separate website from this one, English Wikipedia. You then have to add that image to the article you want in en.wiki using the method described above. I would guess you were looking for your image on en.wiki. John from Idegon (talk) 17:22, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

It's quite likely to be deleted from Commons, however, unless you can demonstrate that the painting is in the public domain. You've tagged it as "own work", but if you've photographed it in a museum it's clearly not your own work, and unless you can prove that the the artist has been deceased for 70 years this will be a copyright violation. ‑ Iridescent 17:48, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

I've got it worked out, thank you so much for explaining how this works, I appreciate it.Antifascistferret (talk) 21:43, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

@Antifascistferret: Which museum is the painting from (the name of the museum)? When was the painting created (just the year is fine)? Also, when was Lynnda E. Solfield alive (again, birth year and death year are fine)? I can't find any information about this painter. You can not take a picture of a painting and then claim it as your own when uploading it (even though you stated the artist). The painting may be under copyright protection still. Please add these further details so we can make sure copyright is not being violated here. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:39, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Just for reference Antifascistferret, I have the same questions about the file and have asked for feedback c:COM:VP/C#File:Painting of Ginger Goodwin.jpg. I also posted on your Commons user page, so please provide any more information you have about the artist who painted this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:11, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

HELPPP

I enter the wikipedia and the menus and all of that is in a different language that google doesn't know! For example, instead of talk it says Heczaxo, instead of Preferences it says Hequaatlaac, Instead of redirected from it says meniitomoxde, google first said it was czech, then turkish, then spanish... help. --Dashy (message me) (my contribs) 10:27, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh, it only happens in the English wikipedia, i entered the spanish one and it's in spanish. --Dashy (message me) (my contribs) 10:29, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Dashy. Make sure that Special:Preferences says "en - English" in the language box. You can use this link to see your preferences in English. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:41, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you PrimeHunter now it's in English, I'm curious abou how it changed to that language. --Dashy (message me) (my contribs) 10:53, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Help Requested on a Biographical Article on a 22 years old Blind Prodigy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arjunabharti/sandbox On the basis of material collected from independent & unbiased print and electronic media, I have drafted the above Article about a young Blind Artist who has won many awards & competitions, and has helped in fund-raising for various charitable projects. I am doing so for him because although he is physically handicapped, he is contributing his mite for the Society at large. The sources for the information have also been cited in the above Draft. Please feel free to edit the above Article so that it meets the criteria for publication in Wikipedia. Thanks & Regards Arjunabharti (talk) 07:28, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Arjunabharti. Without reading the draft in any depth, I note that large portions of text (including two whole sections) lack citations. Are those parts based on the sources you mention above? If so, you need to cite the sources using inline citations; if not, then the material doesn't belong in the draft. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:45, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

I will try to help, although it seems like everything I put on here gets taken down. Let me know what I should doFilm Fanatical10069 (talk) 08:01, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Looking at the text in a bit more detail, Arjunabharti, I think you need to reword parts of it to make it more neutral and less promotional. For instance, "Jugpreet is a multi-talented singer..." shouldn't be stated in Wikipedia's voice. Some might regard him as "multi-talented", but that is an opinion that needs to be attributed to its source (e.g. "According to critic X, Jugpreet is a multi-talented singer..."). Similarly, "Jugpreet has already recorded a song..." - why "already"? Cordless Larry (talk) 08:28, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

I now see that you have previously created the draft and had it reviewed at User:Arjunabharti/sandbox/Jugpreet Bajwa. When a draft is rejected, you should improve that version of it, rather than creating a duplicate like you have with User:Arjunabharti/sandbox. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:34, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Cordless Larry and Film Fanatical10069 for the valuable suggestions regarding Wikipedia's Practices, please. The needful has been done, and the Draft has been re-submitted.

The previous Page had to be recreated in order to solicit your advice because the previous page was simply deleted by the Administrator without pointing out the portions that were being objected to. Your Comments were more specific, please. Thanks & Regards Arjunabharti (talk) 09:45, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

There are still two versions of this draft, at User:Arjunabharti/sandbox/Jugpreet_Bajwa and at User:Arjunabharti/sandbox. The former was rejected by a reviewer, and now has the reasons for the rejection listed at the top; the latter has been submitted for review. Maintaining two versions of a draft is not recommended as it can confuse the reviewer, and anyone else who tries to help. Maproom (talk) 10:14, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

@Arjunabharti: Which page was deleted? --David Biddulph (talk) 11:05, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Latin American Economies New Article

My draft for a latin american economies article is in my sandbox. I was wondering if someone can check it and give any suggestions. Danicroi (talk) 00:45, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

@Danicroi: Hi there. I assume you mean the article in User:Danicroi/sandbox, right?

Would you mind moving the parts about "For my english project..." elsewhere - for example, make User:Danicroi/Project or something?

Because it's easier to work on it if the entire page is the draft article, rather than meta-stuff.

I'll try to make comments about the article soon (maybe within an hour), and/or I'm sure other helpers here will take a look too. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 00:53, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

(...a short time later...) Having read through it briefly, I advise you move it to a live article. It's generally good, it seems a valid topic and the references seem to check out (from brief reading only). I could make a lot of comments about suggested improvements, I could also edit it...but all of that is easier if it's live. Others will no doubt work on it too. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 01:03, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello, I have made the article live. Welcoming all suggestions!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_American_Economy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danicroi (talk • contribs) 02:31, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Danicroi. I see that you "moved" the article by copying and pasting what was in your sandbox. While I don't think this is necessarily a problem in this case as you were the only user to have edited the sandbox versio, in future you should use the move page feature to preserve the history of the original draft. See Wikipedia:Moving a page#How to move a page and Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia on this. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:37, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps it should be moved to 'Economy of Latin America' to bring it in line with Economy of Europe, Economy of Chile, etc. The current article should become a redirect. Dwaxe (talk) 14:17, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Images

Hi! I am currently writing a new article and I want to add some images. What should I do to upload the images in Wikipedia?

Wikipedian (talk) 14:24, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

• Hello Faceless Wikipedian. A lot of relevant pages are linked to at WP:IMAGES, but I will try to give a short overview.

First, you should make sure that you are allowed to use those images; this means checking their copyright status. The rule of thumb is that if you did not create it yourself and took it from the web, it is probably copyrighted and cannot be used.

If the image is available under a license compatible with Wikipedia's (it must be a free license, but not all free licenses apply) you should upload it to our sister project Wikimedia Commons. Go to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard and follow the instructions to upload the file. If the image is not available under a free license but verifies the criteria listed at WP:NFCC (which is roughly the equivalent of "fair use" in US law, though a tad more restrictive), you can upload it on Wikipedia itself (not on Commons) by going to Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard.

Once the image is uploaded (either on WP or on Commons), it exists on the Wikimedia Foundation servers, but it does not appear in any article (yet). It can be included in articles by the use of the syntax detailed in Wikipedia:Picture tutorial (the most basic use is [[File:(name-of-your-image-including-the-extension)]]).

Let us know if you have further questions. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:47, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

How do I ask for feedback on my draft?

Hi, I've drafted my first entry and I'm wondering if I can find some good editors to give me kind feedback.

Thanks, OfTheSea — Preceding unsigned comment added by OfTheSea (talk • contribs) 18:20, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You can choose whether to ask your question here or at the Help Desk, but you shouldn't ask the same question in both places as that is liable to waste the time of editors answering a question which has already been answered. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:06, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

What is the faster method for translate from German and Spanish wiki to English?

Regards Tomaguill (talk) 18:02, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Tomaguill. Please read Wikipedia:Translation which should give you the answers you need. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:17, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

BUT, don't automatically translate the article and leave it that way, the automatic translation is to give you a start. --Dashy (message me) (my contribs) 19:09, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

there will always be subtle idiomatic items that need perusing. use a sandbox and get it right before making the new article Dave Rave (talk) 22:34, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Embed one infobox in another

I am trying to figure out how to embed an office holder info box (Infobox officeholder) to a scientific info box (Infobox scientist. I have tried to read up and I just do not understand how to do it.

I would then like to do the same thing in the Norwegian version of the page.

Thanks,

Ebba Ebba Tellander (talk) 16:10, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ebba Tellander to embed the infobox officeholder template into infobox scientist, you need to add | module =

and then add the infobox officeholder parameters between the $\wedge$ in the module.

John Infobox
Born	John Officeholder Person Infobox (1950-05-05)May 5, 1950 Template City
Died	October 10, 2010(2010-10-10) (aged 60)
Mayor of Wikipedia
In office 1994–1998
Website	example.com

For example, to create the infobox on the right, you would use the code:

{{Infobox scientist | name = John Infobox | image = Example.jpg | caption = John Infobox in 2005 | birth_name = John Officeholder Person Infobox | birth_date = {{Birth date|1950|5|5}} | birth_place = Template City | death_date = {{Death date and age|2010|10|10|1950|5|5}} | module = {{Infobox officeholder | embed = yes | office = Mayor of Wikipedia | term_start = 1994 | term_end = 1998 }} | website = {{URL|example.com}} }} Joseph2302 (talk) 17:51, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

not all infoboxes will take or accept other infoboxes. check the use of module= or the other options. you might need to swap the order so the 1st is in the 2nd instead of the 2nd being in the first Dave Rave (talk) 22:37, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

I USE OFFICIAL SOURCES FROM AN EMBASSY! I think I,m using very reliable sources and they are not being accepted.

Hi; I used the official page of the Austrian Embassy Cultural program and the official magazine of the Spanish representation of Spanish woman in the visual arts, and they are not being accepted. Is this normal? I,d like to know why (I used in the article about Teresa de Marco, nominated to deletion for not reliable sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_de_Marco Regards Tomaguill (talk) 17:58, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Tomaguill. Your two references are to articles written by the artist herself. These are not independent, reliable sources and so do nothing to establish the notability of this artist. Please read our notability guideline for artists and also Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:13, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

The sources are OFFICIAL from the the AUSTRIAN FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTERY! and the AUSTRIAN EMBASSY IN BRATISLAVA (SLOVAK) https://www.bmeia.gv.at/europa-aussenpolitik/auslandskultur/kulturforen/kulturforum http://www.rakuskekulturneforum.sk/program/ OFFICIAL PROGRAM FOR 04 /APRIL http://www.rakuskekulturneforum.sk/program/ FINALLY OFFICIAL PROGRAM FOR 05/04 http://www.rakuskekulturneforum.sk/program/2017/04#!e:387 Tomaguill (talk) 00:02, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

@Tomaguill: Of the four sources you cite above, the first one is a dead link (page not found), and the second and third do not mention the subject. The fourth is written in a language I do not understand, so I cannot comment on it - as Cullen suggested, was it written by the artist herself? Wikipedia is not particularly interested in what people have to say about themselves, no matter where that is published: the sources should be independent of the subject. And please TURN OFF CAPS LOCK on your keyboard when commenting. --Gronk Oz (talk) 01:25, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

how to download a song

How to download a song — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toffer77 (talk • contribs) 02:55, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

@Toffer77: That's not what we're here for. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:00, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Does Drewmutt have the capacity to judge articles with references in other lenguages?

I have the impression that he does not follow links to find out the source, unless is an american or english one. I,d find this discriminative and the opposite of helping. Otherwise, it would be great to have a transparent and public chat with him in order to clarify some issues. Is that possible? Vicroth (talk) 04:31, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello and welcome, Vicroth! You can initiate a public discussion with any editor by posting a message to their Talk page. Here's some info on how to use them - Help:Using talk pages. DarjeelingTea (talk) 05:59, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Just to be polite, why don't we ping @Drewmutt: and let him know we're talking about him? Rojomoke (talk) 10:41, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

About a information not sure

Hello, im a french contributor on Wiki Fr and im sometime translating Wiki page. I recently found an information given on the page : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triosence which is : "The second CD, Away for Awhile remained in the German International Jazz Charts for over six months." The problem i found absolutely nothing about a "German International Jazz Charts"... What would would be the right thing to do : write a  ? or something else ? Thanks Raw Writer RawWriter (talk) 13:28, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

We have an article here that would be a good starting point to help you find a source. Regards CV9933 (talk) 14:16, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Does English wikipedia really check out and accept references in other languages?

I would like to contribute, but I just read that articles with references in other languages are speedy delated, even with top quality references. Is it better to remain local? Vicroth (talk) 04:18, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Vicroth. Whatever you read somewhere is not a Wikipedia policy or guideline. On the contrary. This is the free online English language encyclopedia of the entire world, not the encyclopedia of only the English speaking world. If reliable sources are available in many languages, then English language sources are preferred. But if reliable sources about a notable topic are available only in languages other than English, then please feel free to cite those sources. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:15, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Vicroth. Perhaps you should take a look at Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources. As Cullen328 posted, it's perfectly OK to cite non-English sources as long as they satisfy Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. However, you also should try to understand that since this is English Wikipedia, it's quite possible that many readers will not be able to understand the information in such sources, thus making verification a bit difficult. Assuming you would not be citing a source that you couldn't read yourself, you can help things out by providing as much information about the sources as possible per Wikipedia:Citing sources#What information to include and even a possible translation of the relevant information in the source being cited. Doing these kinds of things will make it much easier for other editors to check the reliability of the source and verification the information found in the source. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:14, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, Vicroth, where did you read this? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:22, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

how to make an addition to a page

hello

I searched for LIVINGSTON HIGH SCHOOL, NEW JERSEY AND NOTABLE GRADUATES.

I am trying to add myself to this list as a best-selling author and also as a pulitzer prize nominee.

how to go about?? thanks Mark Greenberg Mggvisions (talk) 19:43, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, unless you provide a reliable source, this would be considered a hoax, please provide one. --Dashy (message me) (my contribs) 20:02, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mggvisions. The article in question is Livingston High School (New Jersey). Listings of notable alumni in school articles should only contain people who have current Wikipedia articles. I just removed two people whose articles were deleted. Since there is no current Wikipedia of you, your name does not belong on that list.

DashyGames, please be aware that lack of a reference to a reliable source does not necessarily mean that the information is a "hoax". We only come to that conclusion when a search for sources fails and there is evidence of a hoax. That is not the case here. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:31, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Cullen328, I can't find the appropriate policy or guideline right now, but isn't it the case that an item can be included in a list without there being a corresponding article, if sources are provided demonstrating notability? Cordless Larry (talk) 00:17, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

The guidance I had in mind was WP:CSC (although it is technically about standalone lists, not lists in articles): "Red-linked entries are acceptable if the entry is verifiably a member of the listed group, and it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the future". Cordless Larry (talk) 00:20, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Cordless Larry, I agree that in general, a redlinked entry in a list article is acceptable if a reference is provided showing strong evidence that the topic is likely notable. Especially when there is no hint of promotionalism. However, alumni lists are an area where I think there is general consensus among experienced editors that we want blue links on such lists. The risk of promotional editing in favor of non-notable people is just too high in this specific topic area. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:11, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Larry, there are sometimes redlinks in notable alumni lists, but generally these are people who meet exceptions to GNG. You can show a baseball player or a judge is notable with one link. If notability is dependent on meeting GNG, it is generally better to write the article first to avoid reference clutter in the school article. John from Idegon (talk) 02:48, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Concur with User:Cullen328 - there is general consensus that on alumni lists we want blue links. We have a lot of trouble with people adding themselves, some arguing that they will be famous soon, so "it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the future". In one case the school website had a list of every alumnus, and an editor was adding them all, citing the schools website - Arjayay (talk) 14:52, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Review of Draft Capitol Hill United Methodist Church Washington DC

Is this draft sufficient to go live or does it need work? Draft: Capitol Hill United Methodist Church (Washington, DC)

Aliikai (talk) 02:31, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Aliikai and welcome to the Teahouse. It is only two sentences long, so you have more work to do. We aren't a social media site that lists congregations. Wikipedia articles are about topics that are already well-known as shown by what has been written or said about them in reliable independent sources, in depth, not just mentions. Is the church an historic building? Has the congregation done things that has made them well-known? StarryGrandma (talk) 04:31, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

(hmm? I guess it's changed now... 86.20.193.222 (talk) 10:03, 17 March 2017 (UTC))

@Aliikai:, it's fine. Move it to an article, so other people can make it better. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 10:03, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

It's still only two sentences long, and the references don't do enough to establish its notabilty. If it's moved to an article, it will be in danger of deletion. Better to improve it first, then move it to article space. Maproom (talk) 10:22, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Well - opinions vary; that's a normal and healthy thing. I've never seen something like a Church be deleted; after all, it's in NY Times and records of Congress; I can't imagine it being speedy-deleted, and if nominated for a deletion discussion it would no doubt be improved. I like to make things live as soon as possible, because that's how Wikipedia works, lots of people editing it, etc. If it were an article about a company, or even about a person, then I'd say no. Anyway. Opinions vary; it's up to you, Aliikai, which route to take. It's fine if you want to develop it more as a draft. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 11:03, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

PS I searched a little, and I can see several other reliable sources; here are some links to help,

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL 86.20.193.222 (talk) 11:07, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

I've seen articles on churches deleted because they don't pass our notability criteria. Its existence isn't enough. Nor probably are comments in the Congressional Record, where any Congressman can have their comments recorded and do to please their constituents. Doug Weller talk 11:58, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Well, there's certainly plenty of Congressmen close to this one :-)

And yes, I've seen that type of thing deleted too. But not like this; like I said, it wouldn't be speedy. And anything else should result in a google and lots of hits... 86.20.193.222 (talk) 12:25, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

(ec)This turns out to be very interesting history. I feel Aliikai should write the history and not leave it to others. An encyclopedia should be history, not a directory listing. Leave out the list of clergy. The church began in 1802 and is now two large churches on the same block, one black, one white. Start with that. StarryGrandma (talk) 12:34, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your responses. I will look into the other sources mentioned. I was only looking for online news, but the books look like they may have good info. And yes, I was hoping that it would be ok to just start an article and hope that others take it up, but I may be the only one with enough interest to create the article even if there might be more interest for folks to read the article. Some of the other churches listed seem to only have a couple of sentences and are only notable because of their Historic building status. Seems to me they could use more information as to why they are historic. Mount Zion United Methodist Church (Washington, D.C.) 108.56.196.25 (talk) 15:03, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

What constitutes an "official" website?

I'm cleaning up some bare urls in biography infoboxes, and in the infobox documentation it says that the url should be the "official" website of the person. I've now seen a few that were Twitter, IMDB and Facebook pages for the person. Are these considered official? Thanks in advance!! – gwendy (talk) 16:18, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Gwendy. An IMDb page should never be listed as an official website since it is not controlled by the subject. Facebook creates unofficial pages for celebrities, and hacking is common, so great care is in order. Impersonation is also a problem on Twitter, so only verified accounts should be listed. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:29, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

I knew it didn't feel right, thanks for helping me parse it out, Cullen³²⁸! – gwendy (talk) 17:40, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Using images for biographies on living persons

Hi,

I am a member of WikiProject Women in Red and trying to determine the best way to get approved images of living professors. (Math, Science, Archeology). I have been reading the tutorial articles on images and copyrights and I want to be very careful in obtaining images that will not be deleted.

Many of the professors have photos of themselves on their University web pages or academic sites, but there is no copyright or license information provided. What is the best/correct way of obtaining these images?

Thanks MauraWen (talk) 18:48, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, MauraWen. We can only use copyright free or freely licensed photos of living people. Lack of a copyright notice on an image is not evidence that copyright does not exist as there is no legal requirement for such a notice. We need written evidence that a photo is either in the public domain or has been freely licensed in an acceptable way.

You have several options. If the person is nearby, take a photo yourself and upload it to Wikimedia Commons. Or contact the person, asking for them to arrange to have a freely licensed photo uploaded by the photographer. You could try contacting the university public affairs people as well. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:56, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

help me

{{help me}} My company page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniworld_logistics. pls check and suggest me Gudda (talk) 18:09, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Guddatyagi01. This article has been deleted as a copyright violation. It seems that promotional content was copied and pasted from the company's website. Please read Your first article for information about the proper way to write an article. Since it seems you are an employee, please also read our policies on conflict of interest and paid editing. Please comply with these policies. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:01, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia Adventure Isn't Working

Hi, I'm new, and I tried the Wikipedia Adventure, but it isn't working. More specifically: the links of the missions don't work and the Adventure is only on half the page, the other half is white. Is that because I'm on a mobile device, or is there another problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkSoulTheBlogger (talk • contribs) 12:10, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Greetings, @DarkSoulTheBlogger:

I'm sorry to say, The Wikipedia Adventure uses rather 'non-standard' elements, and I'm not suprised about problems with it on a mobile device.

Maybe one day you can get use of a desktop or laptop for an hour or so. It's worth it;

But meanwhile, I suggest the alternative, Help:Getting started. And for anything else, please ask again. Good luck! 86.20.193.222 (talk) 16:56, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

P.S. @Cullen328:, you know a lot about mobiles. Any comments? 86.20.193.222 (talk) 19:54, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, DarkSoulTheBlogger. I do most of my editing using an Android smart phone. I use the desktop site on my phone rather than the mobile site, which in my experience gives me full functionality in miniature form. I have never gone through the Wikipedia Adventure, though. I was already am experienced editor when that was introduced. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:14, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure says: "Unfortunately, this game is not supported on tablets and smaller mobile devices." It was added 4 September 2015.[1]PrimeHunter (talk) 23:28, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Oh my, I just tried the Adventure with the visual editor function enabled: It trashes quite a bit of it.

Also that warning at the bottom of the page, maybe the warning needs to be moved to the top?

It is really is a nice introduction, and I hadn't seen it until I saw these posts. Endercase (talk) 21:57, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Unpatrolled userpages?

I once saw a post either here or at ANI about the backlog of unpatrolled userpages. I have Npp, and I'd like to patrol some of that backlog, but I can't find that post or that backlog. I checked the Npp pages/feeds, archives, list of special pages, and still can't find it. Does anybody know where it is? I wish now I had put the link in my sandbox when I saw that. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 21:26, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi White Arabian Filly. Special:NewPagesFeed has a "Set filters" menu where you can choose betwen the namespaces Article and User. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:05, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Creating a WIKIPEDIA page

I really need your help. I HAVE A CLASS ASSIGNMENT THAT WE HAVE TO CREATE A WIkipedia page about a local female leader who is not famous but has contriBute to the community can be even your mom...I have some information on one local leader but I finds it hard to createn a Wikipedia page for her — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ice Gonelevu (talk • contribs) 23:20, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Please tell your teacher that we have specific guidelines for articles. I will post more information on your talk page, which you can show to your teacher. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:01, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Wow, their user page has been nominated deletion. Endercase (talk) 22:17, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks so much for your friendly welcome Thank for giving me the opportunity to be a part of this gigantic encyclopedia of information... continuously creates and used by the people... for the People [User:Wili] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aruneshwar Gupta (talk • contribs) 16:16, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello and welcome, Aruneshwar Gupta! DarjeelingTea (talk) 17:45, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Very happy for you to join the communityC.S. (talk) 06:24, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Why did my edit get removed?

So I made a edit on the year 1998 and stated that on November 19 1998 Half life was released that day and I look today and the edits gone. What the hell? That's an actual historical event. It's one of the most popular video games.

Lyosea (talk) 06:02, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

This might have been because you might not have used references when making edits which would put the reliability into question.C.S. (talk) 06:20, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Hope that this issue is clarified now.~C.S.~ (talk) 07:05, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Lyosea. The editor who reverted your edit commented "Not a significant event." You can explain your reasoning in the article's talk page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:13, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

"Synopses" on iOS, and how to edit

When I open a page such as Urban Agglomeration on an iPhone or iPad, there is a one-clause synopsis ("An extended city or town area comprising the built-up area of a central place and it's (sic) suburbs or a group of towns linked by continuous urban area") right after the title and before any normal content, in the space where hatnotes appear; but on a laptop (OS X 10.7.5, Safari 6.1.6), no such synopsis appears. And on iOS or OS X, whether with Safari or with the Wikipedia app, when I edit the page, no such text appears. What's going on? Why doesn't this text appear on the desktop, and why can't I edit it on any platform? SeanWillard (talk) 23:17, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey SeanWillard. That is content from wikidata, i.e., Wikidata:Q159313. One of the links in the tool menu on the left hand side of a page here is "wikidata item", where you can access it for editing. I have no idea why the summary there is showing on your iPhone or iPad, but many here are concerned over the problem of Wikidata items being used to change or display content here, and the reliability of that content, whether its original research, and so on. That may or may not be involved here, depending on the reason that synopsis is being shown you. Someone selse may know the answer to that technical issue.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:54, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

@SeanWillard: It's a general feature that an English Wikidata description is automatically shown below the title in the mobile version of Wikipedia. It also happens for desktop users using the mobile version at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_agglomeration. See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 152#Has using Wikidata descriptions as page subtitles in mobile view been discussed here? On a mobile device you may have a "Desktop" link at the bottom. If you click that then "Wikidata item" should be an option in the tools menu. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:01, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: I can't find such a section in the VPT archive. Did you mean Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 54#Has using Wikidata descriptions as page subtitles in mobile view been discussed here?, or perhaps Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 152#Showing Wikidata descriptions underneath article title on mobile web? --David Biddulph (talk) 01:44, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I was looking at both pages, thought about which link to post and managed to post half of each. It's not important which one I actually had in mind. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:53, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, all. SeanWillard (talk) 08:12, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Rights of Nature

Regards, I made a mistake in changing the name of article Rights of Nature could you undo it?

The problem is that this article refers mainly to the concept that is used in Equator of Sumak Kawsay or Sumac Kawsay. After moving it I saw that there was another article on the same subject.

My apologies. It would be very important for someone to invest a little time in arranging the contents.

• Rights of nature: global concept
• Sumak Kawsay or Sumac Kawsay: Quechua concept used in Ecuador (Buen Vivir)
• Suma Qamaña: Aymara concept used in Bolivia (Vivir Bien)

Thanks!

Mboix (talk) 15:31, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

• Convenience links: not an answer, but the crux of the matter seems to be the somewhat-duplicate articles Sumac Kawsay and Sumak Kawsay. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:20, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Quality control and other elements of Wikipedia

Hi all, so I was browsing a question on Quora related to the reliability of Wikipedia, and I found an answer (by a parapsychologist, so...) that makes these claims:

"Wikipedia has no quality control, no scholarly supervision, no editorial expertise or expert review. If you’ve dealt with anonymous people on Quora, you can be assured that it’s either just as bad or worse on Wikipedia, where nearly everyone is anonymous and accountability is nearly non existent."

This struck me as rather silly. I found Wikipedia's quality control policies rather easily, and I know several scholars supervise Wikipedia (can't think of specific ones right now) but I'm having a hard time finding the 'editorial expertise and expert review' part. I've seen them in the talk pages of some articles but don't know where to go.

Does anybody know where I can find the articles for these policies? TangoFett (talk) 17:49, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello and welcome, TangoFett! To answer your question, no "scholars supervise Wikipedia". While a small minority of Wikipedia editors may have terminal degrees in the subject matter they edit - and a couple members of the |Wikimedia Foundation's board of trustees [2] hold lectureships or professorships - there is no codified process of scholarly supervision. Theoretically, a precocious middle school student could reach the most dazzling heights of responsibility on Wikipedia (except for the OTRS volunteer team which requires its members be over the age of 16).

To your other questions: there is a process of quality control, as in the case of Wikipedia:Featured articles, however, it is not analogous to scholarly peer review; most Wikipedia editors do choose to remain anonymous, though some disclose their real life identities; there are guidelines for accountability in content, however, like all projects of this type, it can be abused by those very determined to do so.

Wikipedia is as useful as you make it and one should always apply common sense and critical thinking to anything one reads, regardless of the source (Wikipedia or otherwise). You should read Wikipedia in a way that satisfies your own ethos of reliability.

All that said, I would suggest that Wikipedia is probably, generally, as accurate - if not more - than your average parapsychologist. DarjeelingTea (talk) 19:11, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

TangoFett Here on Wikipedia an editor's personal knowlege and expertise about a subject is not as significant as with many other "knowledge repositories". This is because WP policy requires article content to be sourced only from previously published information. Thus it is perfectly possible for a literate 14-year old contributor with good research skills to write a decent comprehensive article, simply by doing good research. It is actually, IMHO, far easier to write an acceptable article when you have no prior knowledge (and more importantly, also no opinion) about the subject; because that forces one to follow only the sources. The essential expertise needed to write successfully on WP is research skills and the ability to distinguish between good and low quality sources. Good WikiProjects can help with evaluating and selecting sources. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:58, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this up. Although wikipedia can technically be edited by anybody, all edits are revised, checked and recorded in a log. With thousands of editors scouring wikipedia, someone would soon find something bad if it was there.C.S. (talk) 06:23, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Hmm. That's a bit of an overstatement, isn't it, C.S.? All edits are logged, but there is no guarantee that they are all checked or revised. Indeed, I don't think there's any way in general to tell if any particular edit has been checked by anybody, or even to determine what proportion of edits are checked by someone. --ColinFine (talk) 17:07, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Creating first article

Trying to create an article but message tells me that it doesn't follow guidelines? Bartender Journey WhiskeyHazel (talk) 17:14, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi WhiskyHazel, you need to quote some reliable sources to show that the subject of the article is notable. Have a look at Wikipedia:Your first article for more information. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 17:21, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Citing My Toybob Page

Hello, I have been working on the Toybob page and adding all the information I have. However, the difficulty I am having in citing this page is because its a Russian breed and almost all of it's documented information is in Russian. WonderlandKitty (talk) 21:27, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi WonderlandKitty. Using foreign language sources is permitted when English is not available. What is not allowed is copying from the sources. You need to write in your own words.Charles (talk) 22:41, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Why is my article being deleted always?

I am trying to write a wiki piece on a website service and these administrators keep deleting it. It is very frustrating!Jimmyboy123 (talk) 22:53, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Your article was a fairly obvious piece of advertising ("Students are able to avoid hefty prices posed by bookstores and major fees by management companies using this online site. This is possible due to the fact that students are able to deal face to face on campus or other designated areas and can forgo and shipping or selling fees."). Wikipedia is a neutral reference source, and any article on a company has to give due weight to both negative and positive coverage of that company. (If no negative coverage exists, that's generally a good indicator that the topic isn't notable in Wikipedia's terms; nothing is perfect, and anything significant will be the subject of legitimate criticism.) Basically, every Wikipedia needs to demonstrate why other reliable sources consider the topic significant. ‑ Iridescent 22:59, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Notice of speedy deletion

Hi. I am in the Sandbox making my first contribution to Wikipedia about Canadian artist A.M. Pattison. I have been working on it off and on for several days and am just finishing it up but received a warning today telling me it may be subject to speedy deletion. I was surprised by this, since I am in the Sandbox and have not even posted the piece yet. Why did I receive this notice, and how can I avoid speedy deletion? Thanks! Ian FraserIan.fraser1 (talk) 20:43, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

I have declined the speedy deletion; someone was...let's say overeager. Please continue your work. Cheers and happy editing. Lectonar (talk) 20:52, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

And I have tagged your article as a User draft, which we might hope will help prevent other people from being so overeager. --Gronk Oz (talk) 22:48, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

It's rather worrying how many draft articles in user space are being tagged as U5, and even deleted under that criterion. A few more people (including admins) need to read WP:U5, and WP:UP#DELETE which is linked from there. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:10, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Changing a page title / url to updated name

I have found an article for an organization whose name as changed since the creation of the page, INCITE!_Women_of_Color_Against_Violence. Source for new name. The talk page has addressed this before, although I cannot edit the title in visual or source editor. It seems that the url will have to be changed as well, and probably all of the wikilinks linking to this project. Im a bit over my head in how to do this. Could you redirect me to a page that has instruction on this kind of edit??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red 00 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Red 00. Changing a page title is called a move. See Wikipedia:Moving a page. It also changes the url and automatically leaves behind a redirect so existing links don't have to be updated. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:07, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, PrimeHunter. II have completed the move as described in the Talk page of the page in question! Red 00 (talk) 02:14, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Archiving a Web Page

Can someone offer a simple explanation of how to archive a web page used in a reference? I tried looking it up in Wiki Help but found myself continuously selecting additional links, which is like looking up a word in the dictionary and then having to look up a second word in the definition of the first, and then a third, fourth, etc., until you forget what the original word was. RM2KX (talk) 19:06, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi RM2KX. There are multiple archiving options out there, but personally I prefer the Internet Archive Wayback Machine. To use it, just go to this link and enter the URL you want to archive in the field there. Hit "browse history", and see if any results come up. If not, it should give you an option, "Save this URL in the Wayback Machine". That will archive the page. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 19:17, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

That looks like it will be a huge help. Thank you, Howicus! RM2KX (talk) 19:25, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

If you use the Chrome browser, an even easier way to use the Wayback Machine for archiving is to install an extension. You can read about it in this post on the Internet Archive's blog. Installing the extension puts an icon to the right of Chrome's address box. Clicking on the icon brings up three options, one of which is "Save page now." Clicking on that option immediately launches a save of the current page.

The only problem with the Wayback Machine is that it won't archive certain pages. Therefore, you need an alternative archiving option for a second choice. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:15, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Move a page

Hi! I've created a draft but I can't seem to find the "Move" option to publish it. I'm new here so I'm sure there's something I'm missing :-) Could anyone help me, please? Thank you! Marthalewis (talk) 08:33, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. As a new user you can't move pages. You won't be able to do that until your account has been autoconfirmed. It is, in any case, not a good idea as a new user to move the article to mainspace yourself; it is better to use the AFC process to get your draft reviewed by an experienced editor. To do that, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of your draft. I will add some useful links to your user talk page; in particular you ought to read the advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:57, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Asking for help on Table of nuclides (complete)

I am currently expanding that article so it can be no longer a stub, so I explained most of it. but I don't know what those gray dots means, can someone please explain it on article? ProDuct0339 (talk ♪ Contribbbs) 14:31, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

• @ProDuct0339: Which gray dots, exactly? I cannot see them in the article. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:23, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
  • @Tigraan: The gray dots in the beginning of Isotope table, look at the Helium part, you'll know what I meant. Template:Isotones indicates it like {{!}}{{Iso1|[[Hydrogen-1|1]]|H|R|drip=r}}. that 'drip' part is controlling that line. ProDuct0339 (talk ♪ Contribbbs) 01:36, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps you mean dashes, rather than dots? --David Biddulph (talk) 02:09, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

@ProDuct0339: They are short lines and not points (or should at least be rendered as lines in browsers) so they are called dashes and not dots. They are made with code like border-right:2px dashed grey;. See Template:Iso1#Drip lines and Nuclear drip line. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:01, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Can someone ping me...

By using {{ping|DashyGames}}? I'm just testing. --DashyGames (my contribs) 03:29, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello @DashyGames: Rojomoke (talk) 04:15, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

If you don't want the copy to include the "@" symbol, you can also use {{u|DashyGames|Dashy}}, which will render Dashy and also produce a ping. John from Idegon (talk) 05:36, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks  John from Idegon:, I didn't know the "u" template pinged the user, but I knew about the template, you can also use {{pong|DashyGames}} for a more funny way to respond. --DashyGames (contribs) 05:46, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

To be precise, linking the username, even by hand (User:DashyGames) will send a ping (as soon as you put your signature in the same edit) - the multiple templates are not what does the pinging. {{noping}} though specifically prevents pinging. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 13:18, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

There is no mention of the book 'The Last Evacuee - Reflections upon a Changing Window' in Wikipedia.

Can the author of the above-titled book be the person who creates a Wikipedia entry of its existence or does it have to be someone else? At present, Google is only crediting one of the two co-authors with having written it - 'Stephen White', and it isn't even the right one! The actual Stephen White has only, at present, had one book published - 'The Last Evacuee'.Interstellar1 (talk) 13:55, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey Interstellar1. Since the book appears to have received little to no coverage in reliable secondary sources, it is probably not eligible for its own article at this time. As to what information Google displays, that it largely Google's problem, and WP has no control over it. TimothyJosephWood 13:59, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

AfD notification templates

Hello again. Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion shows an example template to use to notify Wikiproject, article and user talk pages ({{subst:AfD-notice|article name|AfD discussion title}}). The sorting categories get notified by a special dynamically-updating template ({{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PageName}}) and have a corresponding template to add a note in the AfD page that this has been done ({{subst:delsort|category|~~~~}}). Does anyone know of a similar template to add to AfD pages to show which talk pages have been notified (using the first template), rather than manually mentionning it? Thank you very much. PaleoNeonate (talk) 10:19, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

I have also checked Category:Deletion_notification_templates and Category:Notice_and_warning_templates without success. I have wondered if I should create the template (i.e. Template:Deletion mention or Template:Debate mention) and have untested tentative source code adapted for it from the Template:Deletion sorting one. I'm not sure if I should be bold and try it, as I have never created a Wikipedia template before. I also didn't find yet where the documentation for those templates is automatically substituted from when we visit those page templates. PaleoNeonate (talk) 14:54, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I just had to append /doc to access the documentation page. PaleoNeonate (talk) 14:58, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

I should probably resume at Wikipedia:Requested_templates... PaleoNeonate (talk) 15:43, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requested_templates#Template:Deletion_mention. PaleoNeonate (talk) 16:00, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

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