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Do I really have to provide references for someone's personal life? And a more technical, related issue.

I wrote a page for a neuroscientist I have worked for for years. I know and understand his work, and I know about his private life. I tried to be objective but I got spanked by an editor who did an incredible job rewriting the article. I'm grateful for that.

Next someone swooped in and said, Reference the Personal Life section or take it out. That section only describes his brother and sisters, and how long he's been married. Do I really have to reference that? And how would I do that? I don't know how to contact someone specifically. Does he mean provide hyperlinks to San Antonio and his brother's college?

I'm also asked to reference a discussion of his honors, or remove it. The "rising stars" article is provided as an external reference. As for the Science Museum exhibit, this was known to half the neuroscience community, particularly as Francis Crick championed it. But I'm not sure how to reference it. Who would make up such a thing? He used to have the invitation to the opening ceremony in his office. Would a scan of that suffice?

The presentation of Bradley's paper to Congress was word of mouth; Robert Wurtz, the Society President, told Richard Andersen, Richard Andersen told Bradley. I recognize that someone could make up that sort of thing. Dr. Bradley is one of the most respected neuroscientists in the United States. Is everyone assumed to be lying by default? Not always; there are other pages where the author makes claims that are difficult to reference, and indeed he does not.

I don't want to take out the honors section and the personal life section. The honors are important to him, and I'm the only author who is close enough to know his personal story but distant enough to come close to neutrality.

I took down the reference template and he slapped it back on. Please advise; this is my first experience with Wikipedia.

Thank you. Dandh8 (talk) 08:27, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Long story short, yes (re. providing references). I've dealt with a situation where someone I was entirely sure was a family member was absolutely correct in insisting that the subject of an article was born in Kenya and not Aberdeen. And yet the Beeb and the Telegraph said he was born in Kenya, so . . .

I've also had the pleasure of editing an article posted by the subject, who was actually clinically, umm, divergent. He was determined to say lots of things about himself, but they weren't things that could be verified in reliable sources (RS). In that situation, it's me vs. him, hence the need for everything in Wikipedia to be verified to RS. And that's without even considering someone deliberately putting something up to malign someone.

Anyway, there are more authoritative ways of explaining it, but that's the guts. You need RS to (a) establish whether or not an article is warranted, and then (b) to determine the bulk of what gets put in there. Bromley86 (talk) 09:00, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

• Hello, Dandh8, and welcome to Wikipedia. Bromley86 said almost all. I will just add two things.

When you say the honors are important to him, please realize it is not an argument to keep that part in the article. We cannot go further than what RS have said. (However, any distinctions could probably be sourced to a website for the institution that granted it.)

Also, for biographies of living persons, we have a tendency to lean towards privacy, see in particular WP:BLPPRIVACY; who they are married to and how many kids they have is usually not of encyclopedic interest, but it can be problematic to put that information on the internet. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 09:47, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Dandh8. A few points in response to your concerns:

• While non-controversial brief "life and family" sections are sometimes left unsourced, if anyone challenges them, insisting on a source, the source must be provided. However, for that sort of content, a self-published source can be used. For example, an "about me" or "biography" page on a personal web site of the subject's would be a sufficient source.
• About the honors and awards: Surely there was some published mention of them when they were presented. A brief newspaper article, say, or a listing in the newsletter of the group presenting the award, or even an event program for an award ceremony. Sources do not need to be online, provided enough info is given that a reader could, perhaps with considerable effort, find and verify the content.
• A presentation to Congress would usually be listed in the Congressional Record, which is definitely a reliable source.
• It is not that everyone is considered to be lying by default, but that there is no way to be quite sure, on the net, who is who and what is accurate. So we insist on sources for almost everything, except the very obvious (You don't need to cite that the sky is blue, or that Paris is the capital of France). Someone's personal knowledge may be absolutely accurate, but thee is no way for a reader to verify it. The classic response is to publish a first-person account elsewhere, then it can be cited here.

I hope these points are helpful. Please ask if I can be of further help. DES ^(talk) 18:27, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Time taken in publishing of an article

I have created an article with the help some unverified links, I want to know how much time will it take to publish that article or will it be deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by NAVEENji (talk • contribs) 18:21, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Hey NAVEENji. I have added the Articles for Creation template to your draft. When you are ready to submit for review, just click the blue submit button. It may take a while though, because there is currently a pretty big backlog. TimothyJosephWood 19:41, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Can I put a video for a reference

I want to write an article about the Origin of the Moon, that Earth had 2 moons not 1 which was made of the collision of Earth and Theia 4.5 BYA but the reference is the video How the Universe works - Secret history of the Moon. If you want the link, the link is http://YouTube.com/watch?v=3Ba5oOPyRUY. K. Badri Vishal (talk) 11:14, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Without evaluating the veracity of this particular source, the answer is that you most certainly can. You need to use the {{cite av media}} template, see here. The key, if you want to cite video, is to provide the link and to use one of the various time references that exist. If you just put a youtube link to a 30 min vid, your support (and point) will likely just be removed. Bromley86 (talk) 11:44, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi K. Badri Vishal. Our article on the moon has a section on this, Moon#Formation, which refers in turn to Origin of the Moon, which has a more detailed section on this, Origin of the Moon#Formation, both of which refer to a yet more focused article on this at Giant impact hypothesis, and we also have an article at Theia (planet) – so it appears this is already covered and no new article is needed. If you had a title in mind that does not exist and is an intuitive name for this topic, you can create a redirect for it.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:46, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

I am using an video for reference but I want to cut the excess in the video

I am using the video How the Universe works - Secret histroy of the Moon for the article Origin of the Moon. But the duration is 43 minutes and 2 seconds. I just want 12 minutes and 48 seconds - 15 minutes and 11 seconds = 2 minutes and 23 seconds. So how to cut 2 minutes and 23 seconds out of 43 minutes and 2 seconds with Wikipedia tools. For links see http://YouTube.com/watch?v=3Ba5oOPyRUY K. Badri Vishal (talk) 14:22, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi again K. Badri Vishal. When you cite a reference you simply cite it – you do not upload it, which your post implies you want to do. Doing so here would be a copyright violation, unless you owned the copyright to the video, proved you owned it, and went through the steps to release that copyright. Since that does not appear to the be the case, I won't go into more detail about how that is done. Meanwhile, as Bromley86 indicated, you can use the citation template, {{Cite AV media}} to refer to this video as a reference, which includes a parameter for |minutes, which pinpoints how many minutes into the source you are directing people to. You can also make a YouTube URL pinpoint the location by appending to it code for how many seconds in it should start playing. For example, adding "&t=180s" will result in the video playing from 3 minutes in. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:46, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Is there a possibility to create article on a short film?

I am aware of the Wikipedia policies that the articles,templates etc should follow the guidelines of Wikipedia.But my friends desperately asking me to create article related to their own short film called "Yathaartham".Yathaartham.I know it is not suitable to Wikipedia because there are not much facts about related to this short film.On the other hand I also understand the fact that we can't able to create any article in favour of our relations.I am asking this question because I have to prove to them that this is not an easy task.Abishe (talk) 04:43, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Show this page to your friend: Wikipedia:Notability. Wikipedia in general is not interested in what people, societies or companies would like to publish about their achievments, their environment, their friends and themselves. Wikipedia relies on what others say about them. And 'others' need to be published, well-known, reliable sources – see Wikipedia:Verifiability. --CiaPan (talk) 07:01, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

And WP:COI if you want. Creeper Ninja (talk) 20:47, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

how do I communicate ?

Ok Beginner very dumb question. How do I communicate with anyone ?

Recer896

72.235.19.72 (talk) 18:23, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Hey anon. That really depends on what you want to communicate about to with whom. Individual editors can be "pinged" by copy and pasting {{ping|USERNAME}}. However, if you want to try to communicate with other editors who are interested in improving articles about certain subject areas, you may want to try to find the appropriate WikiProject by searching at Wikipedia:WikiProject. TimothyJosephWood 19:44, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

And if you want to talk to a specific user, it is usually best to post a message on the user's talk page. If you go to the person's user page, there should be a "talk" link in a tab at the top. Deor (talk) 22:11, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

If you want to discuss the content of a specific article, the article's talk page is the place to go. Please note tho that article talk pages are to discuss specific content in the article, not the subject of the article in general. John from Idegon (talk) 22:29, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Person User Page

I need help, my personal user page was nominated for speedy deletion because the page appears to be blatant advertising which only promotes or publicizes a company, product, group or service. I was giving a short bio of myself, which was what I thought that page was about. Where have I gone off course? Can someone give me an example of what goes on a personal user page?

Thanks for your help. Barb.helfer (talk) 16:48, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@Barb.helfer:, Welcome to Wikipedia. Look at WP:UP to see what is and is not allowed on user pages. RudolfRed (talk) 19:09, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: I read the Wikipedia: User Pages guidelines, and it says you can put "limited autobiographical and personal content", which is what I did. But this was flagged. May I ask how I can see someone's page to be a guide? Thanks again for your help. Since I am new to this, I am just trying to understand why this was not appropriate? Barb.helfer (talk) 19:34, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Barb.helfer, I took a look at your deleted user page, and for my part, I (an admin) would probably not have deleted it. Perhaps the objection was to the external links you included, which may have led someone to conclude that you were spamming. (Your first edit was to the talk page of the article about the company you work for, but as you declared your conflict of interest in that edit, I see nothing wrong there.) If you make some effort to indicate what your purpose in being here at Wikipedia is and how you hope to contribute to the project, your user page shouldn't be subject to speedy deletion. Deor (talk) 22:24, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@Deor: Thanks for taking a look, and I appreciate the comment. The links I put on my User page were to a non-profit, volunteer organization, so I had hoped that it would signal that I have a history of volunteering and working to better user communities. Thanks again for your help. I will incorporate your suggestions into my User page. Barb.helfer (talk) 00:12, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Blocking Editing

Hi, I created the page, Ampyx Power, and this IP keeps adding edits that aren't exactly correct/aren't detailed enough or aren't constructive. You can look at the edit history and see what I mean. Is there a way I can contact the user or block him from editing the page? VTnav (talk) 23:03, 23 May 2017 (UTC)VTnav

Hello, VTnav< and welcome to the teahouse. I just briefly reviewed the edits by the IP editor. It may be that not all of them were perfect, but they look like an honest attempt to improve the article, and are certainly not vandalism. Please remember that no one owns or controls any Wikipedia article. There is no reason in these edits to block the IP editor. If you disagree, please follow the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle, or even start the discussion a the same time as your revert, or perhaps instead of or before any revert. The article surely needs further independent Reliable sources, in any case. Phrases such as "Many investors, such as EON, noticed the company at this point and started to take interest in Ampyx's take on wind power." can seem promotional, particularly if unsourced. Remember please that linsk to nonresistant articles are perfectly fine, if the intent is to suggest creating the target article. Note also that an article should never be written in the first person ("I" or "We" ) except as part of a sourced and marked quote. DES ^(talk) 00:34, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Where can I find a good Mariners userbox?

I looked, and I only see 2 Mariners UBs. Where can I find more? GermanGamer77 (talk) 03:20, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

@GermanGamer77: I see you use User:UBX/MLB-Mariners and User:Dwscomet/My userbox creations/Mariners. I don't think there are others. 1 or 2 is normal. You could make your own with {{Userbox}} but you don't say what you are unhappy about. If it's the lack of a logo then copyrighted logos are not allowed in userspace so none of the userboxes at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Sports/US and Canadian have a logo. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:14, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Oh. Then how do I make a userbox? GermanGamer77 (talk) 14:27, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

There's at least one online userbox generator out there; try googling it. Also, I notice you're active at Wikipedia talk:Userboxes/Ideas. If you find another user on that talk page who has created userboxes you like, you might ask them for advice. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 15:07, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Alright. But UBX doesn't exist! And it makes the ones I like. GermanGamer77 (talk) 16:10, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

@GermanGamer77: I said "You could make your own with {{Userbox}}". The blue text is a link. Click it for instructions. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:22, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't know code or whatever that gibberish on the page is. Like bracket this, id = foo logo that, no sense. And I can't find a Mariners symbol on Wikimedia Commons! GermanGamer77 (talk) 20:07, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

@GermanGamer77: I don't know which Mariners symbol you are looking for but it's probably copyrighted by the team. That means it is not allowed in Commons and not allowed in userboxes. You cannot get a userbox with the Mariners logo. It is against Commons policies, against Wikipedia policies, and probably against American law. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:51, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

GermanGamer77 (talk) 21:28, 22 May 2017 (UTC) I JUST MADE MY FIRST USERBOX ONLINE!!!!!!! GermanGamer77 (talk) 01:00, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Inserting a new picture on a page and adding to career

Hello- my name is Mason Reese and I AM the subject of the Mason Reese page. I'd like to know how to delete the current photo and insert a new one.

Thank you-

Mason — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mason Reese (talk • contribs) 22:58, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Mason Reese. One of the sort of obscure twists and turns of Wikipedia's image landscape is that we're always seeking suitably-free images – that is, images that we can use of living people – because we (in almost all cases though there are some exceptions) do not allow the use of non-free photographs of living person at all (we only allow the use of non-free images for very specific and limited purposes under the legal doctrine of fair use, but fair use does not allow images of living person at all in most cases, because while a person is living, a photograph can always be snapped, so they fail Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria#1). So what happens often is that the only free image we have of living people is a candid taken by a fan at some event, which may not necessarily be the best image; but we take what we can get. Anyway, if you have a better picture, and since you are the subject, I'm sure you do, you have the ability to release it under a suitable free license. But there's one caveat you should understand. I see no reason why a new and better image could not replace the image in the article if you go through the process of uploading and releasing it. But, that does not necessarily mean the current image, which is hosted at the Wikimedia Commons, will be deleted. It might be removed from the article but remain there. This should, nevertheless, make the older image far less prominent given that Wikipedia is at the front end of the internet, and the Commons way down the tail. Anyway, an image can be uploaded by going here. Once that is done, the image can be replaced simply by replacing the file name in the article next to | image = ... with the name of an uploaded file. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:37, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

I continue my sandbox article

hope that others way in and bring this forward.... Let us eat lettuce (talk) 03:50, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

For anyone reading this, here is the link to the sandbox I believe they are talking about (for convenience purposes). --TheSandDoctor (talk) 04:36, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

How do you insert a picture onto your page about yourself?

So, I've visited many Wikipedia pages where there's pictures and where it shows the word "image" it has three pictures next to it. When I click on it, it gives me this:

• 
  Caption1
• 
  Caption2

What do I do when it shows that? Should I put the name of my file or have Wikipedia and the folder side-by-side to drag?

-Coco — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coco Onyx (talk • contribs) 22:45, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi, although I am not a Tea House editor, I have a response to your question. Please leave a message on my talk page when you get a chance. It's kind of hard to explain, so it would be easier to have the discussion on my talk page. VTnav (talk) 23:22, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@Coco Onyx: Please see the above. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 04:42, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for offering your help in creating an article.

I requested an article Or page for "Kris degioia" and it keeps getting denied. I'm doing something wrong so any help is greatly appericated!! Thanks again

Chrisnadeau1973 (talk) 05:44, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Chrisnadeau1973 Please see WP:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#05:50:20, 23 May 2017 review of submission by Chrisnadeau1973 where I gave you some advice yesterday. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:35, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

The ECW Model article

Why did someone rewrite the article and make it incorrect? Whoever did this created an article with errors and misconception in it. One has to understand the ECW as completely as those who submitted it. do. As one small example, this cannot be omitted: " Due to increasing enthalpy data that became available since the EC equation was first proposed the parameters have been improved. A select set of the recommended E and C numbers is found in this article and the complete set is available in the literature 4, 5, 6. Mixing E and C numbers from different sets will result in incorrect calculations and is to be avoided 4,5 7" This original content must be restored.

BeaglePower (talk) 02:30, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@BeaglePower: Which version (see here) do you think needs to be restored? --TheSandDoctor (talk) 04:38, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

See the history of Draft:Electrostatic and Covalent Equation, and the discussion at WT:WikiProject Chemistry#Please assess a new draft - it looks like a possibly problematic merge might be at the bottom of this issue. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:43, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

BeaglePower, it appears that you were the one who removed that text you quote, with this edit. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:50, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Article creation etc

Hey! Thanks for inviting me to the Teahouse, it looks like it will be a great help! I have a few questions: I would like to create an article but am not sure how to? I am new to Wikipedia accounts (but not website) and would like to know how to create. Can I upload pictures to my user page? How? Don't worry, it's nothing inappropriate just a picture of my kitten 🐱 Can you brief me on what I can and can't write if I create an article? E.g. Can I do one on my friend if she has done something really interesting? Thanks x Iris Medallion (talk) 07:21, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Iris Medallion, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is a big and complicated beast, and two of the more complicated activities are creating articles, and using images. Please have a look at Your first article for extensive advice about the former. As to the latter, as long as it is a picture that you own the copyright of (usually that means that you took it), you can upload it to Commons, licensing it appropriately as you go, and then use it in an article (or a user page). Please use the Upload wizard. --ColinFine (talk) 09:42, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Draft created, how to get it reviewed so that it does not get removed by wikipedia?

Dear Sir/ Mam, I have created a draft under the name of "Draft: Taal Inc.". How should I publish this page and is accessible to the Wikipedia users?. Kindly get it reviewed and indicate the information which is useless and should not be put on Wikipedia.Siddy sj (talk) 10:40, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Hey Siddy sj. The draft in its current form is highly unlikely to be accepted. On the one hand, it is pretty full of promotional language, like early entrepreneurial days of as a dream which is totally inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. On the other, the sources in the draft don't really demonstrate that it meets our notability standards. So for example, this source not only doesn't seem to be very reliable, but it also doesn't seem to mention the company at all. TimothyJosephWood 10:53, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

And I see you have moved the draft to an article. Unfortunately, I have marked it for deletion for exactly the types of issues above. I would add that "drumming is a valuable tool for people with cancer and paralysis" is a pretty serious medical claim, and has to come with some pretty serious sources to support it. TimothyJosephWood 10:55, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

external links in infoboxes?

I am reviewing AFC and I saw an article with an external link in an infobox. Is this allowed? Seraphim System ^(talk) 10:56, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Seraphim System, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, with exceptions (WP:ELPOINTS): "include appropriate external links in an "External links" section at the end of the article, and in the appropriate location within an infobox, if applicable." It is usually appropriate to have the official website there (using {{URL}}), but some more complex infoboxes (such as {{Infobox drug}}) have more. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 11:05, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Seraphim System ^(talk) 11:07, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

my page do not adequately show the subject's notability.

I have properly mentioned the sources in my company's page. All the sources belong to the news headlines. How to publish my company's pageAbhijeet 21 (talk) 10:01, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

• Hi, Abhijeet 21. If it is YOUR company I suggest you read our policy at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. --CiaPan (talk) 10:30, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Abhijeet 21 and welcome to the Teahouse. Aside from the Conflict of interest issues which CiaPan very properly mentions, User:Abhijeet 21/sandbox does not come close to establishing norability. It cites three sources. Two are from news publications, but are obviously based on press releases: They start "The company said..." or similar wording, and then directly quote company spokespeople. They don't even pretend to have done independent reporting. These do not count as independent sources. The third citation is to the company's own web site, so it is clearly not independent. None of these does much to establish notability. Please read our guideline on the notability of companies and Wikipedia's Golden Rule. Also, please declare your conflict of interest, perhaps on your user page, and later on the talk page of the article, if this is ever moved to the main article space. That will require multiple independent published reliable sources, each discussing the company in some detail. DES ^(talk) 12:15, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

How to Create a Page for a Nonprofit Foundation

Hello -- recently created a page for a Foundation in New Jersey, the Jersey Strong Foundation. The page was deleted after a short amount of time. After removing links associated, thought it would be in the clear. Could you please advise when you have a moment?

Thanks Rhubler (talk) 16:05, 24 May 2017 (UTC)Ryan

Rhubler: have you read the explanations and advice on your talk page?

is there a submit button?

I am new here. I have read several Help sections and still do not find information about how to submit my comments in response to my page being taken down (my fault- my first draft does indeed sound like an advertisement.) I keep looking for a submit button, and, most things I click ask me if I want to leave the page (therefore deleting my unsaved comments?) Inanna500k (talk) 16:31, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

While you're in the Edit Screen, you should see three buttons near the bottom - "Save Changes", "Show Preview", and "Show Changes". Pressing the first should get you the desired results. - NsTaGaTr ^(Talk) 16:37, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

I uploaded an image to wikimedia commons...

Hello,

I am new to Wikipedia. I tried posting this in the help chat, but there was no answer. I uploaded a file that was on this list (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Copy_to_Wikimedia_Commons_reviewed_by_a_human) to wikipedia commons. Do I have to delete the image manually? Or will it delete automatically?

Thank you! Grazioso2 (talk) 14:38, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Hey Grazioso2. If you add Template:Now Commons to the file here it will add it to a list of images that need to be reviewed and deleted by an administrator. TimothyJosephWood 14:49, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! I added it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bill_Poole_Tobacco_Advertisement_Card_II.jpg

Is that right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grazioso2 (talk • contribs) 15:19, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Grazioso2:, I have fixed a few minor issues with parameter usage and formatting (please see the files' edit histories for details). The 2 main points: you can remove some maintenance tags yourself, if the issue has been resolved (unless the template information itself prohibits it). Secondly, you uploaded the file as *.jpEg to Commons - I have fixed the Wiki-template accordingly to point to the correct Commons file. Remaining changes were mostly layout-related, the necessary image and license information from en-Wiki was already preserved (which is the most important point for a transfer - formatting is nice to have, but secondary). GermanJoe (talk) 17:00, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

On Noteworthy-ness

There are articles about US Standard Sizing, Catalog sizes, and clothing sizes in general, but there is not a comprehensive list of clothing sizes in the USA by company. I would like to create that list for the simple fact that due to a lack of regulation, clothing sizes can vary from the US standard up to four inches (by my last comparison). I am hoping a comprehensive list would make it easier for people to shop between companies and maybe even help store employees that get "I'm a size 12 at Zaras, what size am I here?" from customers. ... But it's not exactly noteworthy. I think it would be wildly useful but I don't want to do all the work only for it to be taken down because it's "frivolous"... So... can I try to build a page that's not considered "noteworthy"? Surlignome (talk) 13:47, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Surlignome, and welcome to the teahouse. The real question isn't whether it is "noteworthy" as opposed to "frivolous", but whether it is Notable as opposed to unverifible. Unless you can find a source that is already doing such comparisons, this might fall afoul of WP:SYNTH or WP:OR. An article simply listing facts about sizes used at various stores would not be OR, but drawing any general conclusions really should be supported by a source. And there should be some cited source for the general concept, I think. DES ^(talk) 14:02, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Surlignome another consideration is the WP:NOTGUIDE rule. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:40, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

References

I keep putting in references which specifically and directly support text I have added (and the source is the recognized authority) and someone keeps deleting it and putting back "citation needed". When I first edited the text, the "citation needed" tag had been there for nearly 3 years!

Tvecchione65 (talk) 17:54, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Tvecchione65. You have been using Wikia content for references. That is a site that hosts fan content which lacks professional editorial control. Nothing on Wikia is acceptable as a reliable source for use on Wikipedia. You must only use genuine reliable sources. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:14, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

YoLandi Visser article

I give up, is there anyone that can help me step by step set the article up right. I know there are guidelines on wiki, but they read like spaceraft instructions. I mean it shouldnt be that hard to change something on a article, should it? Everything I attempt to post is reverted, even when I have posted valid links to information. I mean it took me almost two years just ot get the birth day correct, not mentioning that I can seem to get the birth year. But there has been picture issues. I have tried to change the picture, with a picture I took myself, so there could be no possibility of copyright bs, but yet it was reverted.

I just dont get it people, how can this site be the "go to" place when almost every bit of information I see on wiki is incorrect because mods wont help out, just punish... Sad IMO. Gene Zef2 (talk) 23:48, 22 May 2017 (UTC) Gene ZEF

I see that you and IVORK have already discussed this on the talk page of YoLandi Visser. It has there been explained to you several times that the issue is not about the copyright status of the image you prefer, it's that other users consider the current image to be of higher quality. Maproom (talk) 08:34, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Indeed, but I have very high res pics too. I am afraid IF I try to upload them it will take a week to get approved again, just to have some one say the picture is over exposed or upside down or too pink. I wil try again for sure. But Im trying to build a section of her profile and have it ready so that it will pass every test and be left alone by mods.

Hopefully.....Gene Zef2 (talk) 18:21, 24 May 2017 (UTC) GeneZef

Sensitivity of Data regarding law enforcement agencies of India

I had recently come across a few pages about the law enforcement agencies in my country which had some sensitive data about the organisation structure and personnel data. As a citizen, I do not think it is appropriate to put up such details in an open source website like wiki. The pages that I am talking about are: Central Armed Police Forces Central Reserve Police Forces Border Security Force Central Industrial Security Force Indo-Tibetan Border Force Sashastra Seema Bal

Although I had once attempted to edit them and redact the pages they were undone by different users in the name of Vandalism.

Could anyone please look into this.

Sethu MaruthiSethumaruthi (talk) 19:20, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Sethumaruthi, and welcome to the Teahouse. All content on Wikipedia is (or should be) based on previously published information in reliable sources. It is also expected that these sources are cited so that everyone can verify that this is the case. In the case of these law enforcement agencies this is exactly what the articles did: summarized what reliable sources had already published about law enforcement in India. Insofar as articles do a good job at encyclopedically summarizing previously published information, there is no problem, because Wikipedia is not censored in any way. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:25, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

four tildes and things

I really want to know how to have a cool four tildes! Like Rivertorch has FIRE for contribs and WATER for talk on his GermanGamer77 (talk) 18:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC)! Vami IV gets Iron Crosses! I want something cool too! How can I do this? I need help. 🙁 GermanGamer77 (talk) 18:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

The guideline on signatures is here. Glad you think mine is cool, but keep in mind: we're here to build and maintain and encyclopedia, and everything else is secondary. I used the standard signature for ten years. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 19:49, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

How to create an institutional page?

How to create an institutional page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Banco Metropolitano (talk • contribs) 20:12, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@Banco Metropolitano:. Start by reading WP:YFA, which has instructions and guidance on how to write your first article. Writing an article is not an easy task, so I suggest you start by working on improving existing articles, and then work on the new article when you have more experience. RudolfRed (talk) 20:54, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

I would also caution you about WP:COI editing. From your username, which might also be an issue as it doesn't seem to reflect an individual editor, I have a feeling that you are attempting to create a page about "yourself".... - NsTaGaTr ^(Talk) 21:03, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Occupational therapy article Feedback

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupational_therapy

Hello,

I have been working on the Occupational Therapy article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupational_therapy). I am seeking feedback to further improve the article. I am interested in nominating this article for "good article" status at some point. How can I get it there?

Thank you, Grazioso2 (talk) 20:14, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

The article strikes me as having a strong US bias, particularly the sections "Occupational Therapy Practice Framework" and "Areas of occupation". I hope you can reduce it. Maproom (talk) 21:07, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

If subject meets only WP:NFOOTY, but fails WP:GNG & WP:NSPORTS

I recently nominated Danila Khakhalev for speedy deletion, but my nomination was rejected. It's very obvious, that this person/player doesn't meet WP:GNG & WP:NSPORTS or even WP:BASIC. Essentially no in-depth coverage exists, only 1 game played, no awards, no achievements, no records..., but he's "presumed notable" per WP:NFOOTY, which apparently trumps WP:BASIC. (Certainly it does so at every similar rejected CSD I've witnessed.) So here is my question: Is it true that as long as the player meets WP:NFOOTY criteria, we can ignore basic principles and we don't need to worry about WP:BASIC, WP:GNG & general WP:NSPORTS ? Thanks, Jone Rohne Nester (talk) 17:35, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jone Rohne Nester yes, the whole point of special notability guidelines (such an NFOOTY) is to allow the creation of articles about certain defined topics that do not immediately fully comply with the default notability standards. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:46, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

To clarify regarding the the sports-specific notability guidelines in particular: they do not replace the general notability guideline, but provide rules of thumb to assist in judging if a given sports figure is likely to meet the general notability guideline. However this presumption can be challenged, if upon research there is no evidence of meeting the standards for inclusion set by the general notability guideline. See the first three paragraphs of Wikipedia:Notability (sports) for more details, as well as Wikipedia:Notability (sports)/FAQ. isaacl (talk) 01:37, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

I drafted an article and it was deleted, I hadn't finished!

Hello, I drafted an article last night and didn't think it had been submitted yet. It was deleted by another user and I'm not sure how to get my draft back! I'm really disappointed as while it may have looked insubstantial, I had already started to lay the groundwork for it. I am new so not sure why it perhaps had gotten logged as an actual article, rather than a draft. It wasn't my intention to put it "out there" in the current form and I really don't want to have to start from scratch. Thank you for your advice. SunnyBoi (talk) 22:24, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@SunnyBoi: You created a live article at Witchskull. I have restored the content at User:SunnyBoi/Witchskull. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:10, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Primehunter! Sorry it was my error that it wasn't a draft. I'm grateful for your help in restoring it to me. SunnyBoi (talk) 02:00, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

WP:NPROF

Is a Fulbright award sourced to a routine announcement from the subject's Alma Mater enough to pass WP:NPROF? Seraphim System ^(talk) 00:04, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Seraphim System. About 8000 Fulbright awards are given out each year, so in my opinion, simply receiving one is not sufficient to show notability. It is prestigious but not highly exclusive. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:55, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the second opinion, I've notified the article creator that this is not enough to establish notability under WP:NPROF criterion 3. Seraphim System ^(talk) 02:13, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

WP:PROD and COI

Just wondering what the right thing to do is in this situation. There's an article that's been deployed by someone who's confirmed to have a COI (as in, he's on the development team and seems to handle marketing). When I bump into promotional articles, I cut out all the non-RS and see what's left: not a lot, there's two sources, and I'm not 100% on one of them. So it seems to fail GNG quite convincingly, and should therefore be a WP:PROD.

However, "PROD must only be used if no opposition to the deletion is expected." I assume the article creator will oppose, so . . .. Does the fact he has a COI bypass this requirement? Or is it the case that you can always give a PROD a chance, just as anyone can always object? Cheers, Bromley86 (talk) 09:27, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse, Bromley86. I suppose that strictly speaking you are right. But if you think the article was promotional both before and after your removal of the dependent sources, the speedy deletion criteria WP:G11 applies. If it's just the GNG/notability issue, then you should take it to WP:AfD.

Also, if there is a "confirmed" COI in the form of undisclosed paid editing, that should definitely be handled per WP:PAID. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 09:59, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Bromley86. Note that if the article is currently promotional, but is about a probably notable topic, it is better to find additional independent sources (when possible), and rewrite enough that promotionalism has been removed or diluted, and notability clearly established. Remember that before doing an AfD one is obliged to do at least a quick check for additional sources, as per WP:BEFORE. Or you could just tag for doubtful notability and allow others to try to source the article, there is no huge rush, particularly if it is not blatant advertising. Remember WP:PRESERVE, please. DES ^(talk) 12:22, 24 May 2017 (UTC) @Bromley86: DES ^(talk) 12:23, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks guys. Bromley86 (talk) 02:17, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Special Page Features

What are some page features I can add to my articles and how do I add them? (Like headings, info boxes, etc). — Preceding unsigned comment added by CooperScience (talk • contribs) 01:09, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi @CooperScience: and welcome to the Teahouse. Wiki code can be confusing and there is a bit of a learning curve but before long most of it will become second nature. Here is a great page(s) to get you started: Help:Introduction to the Manual of Style. Also you can always click edit on a page and see the code behind the different areas. I find that very helpful when making tables and info boxes. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 02:19, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, @CooperScience:. In addition to the comment above, let me suggest Wikipedia:List of infoboxes. It provides links to numerous templates for infoboxes in various content areas. Eddie Blick (talk) 03:10, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Some articles cannot be edited even through "source editing"

• Source editing is generally used to edit the articles.But sometimes in some articles both source editing and visual editing are not possible.Copying and pasting a particular URL is not possible in such instances.So I couldn't able to provide citations.(I am also assuming that may be the editors who are in higher level when compared to me only eligible to edit those articles not considering about Wikipedia project pages)

eg:-Dwayne Smith,Shakib Al Hasan

• Sometimes if I use only textual editing and not providing citations.I couldn't able to save the changes that I make.Because if I click "Save Changes" button sometimes I'll receive the message "The web page is not available"Abishe (talk) 03:48, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Neither of the articles which you mention are protected from editing. The message "The web page is not available" sounds like a message from your web browser rather than from Wikipedia, so perhaps you have a problem with your internet connection. --David Biddulph (talk) 04:08, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

AfC article that already exists as a redirect

I think Draft:Pegi Vail meets notability guidelines, but there is already a redirect at the article to her film Gringo Trails - what is the right way to deal with this? Seraphim System ^(talk) 05:36, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Seraphim System. I have deleted the redirect, so you can now move the draft. In future you can tag the redir with {{db-g6}} to ask any admin to do this, with an explanation in the rationale parameter, or use {{db-move}} specifying the page to be moved and reason. An admin will probably get to it shortly in either case. DES ^(talk) 06:03, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Seraphim System ^(talk) 06:30, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Feedback on Shared Studios vs. Portals

Hi!

Brand new editor/writer here who is creating a page for a public art initiative. The collective behind the project is called Shared_Studios, and the project is called Portals. Portals is Shared_Studios first project, and has gotten more notoriety than the collective itself. So, I created two separate pages: one for Shared Studios, and one for Portals. Please let me know which you think is stronger, or has a higher likelihood of being accepted. Thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Portals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Shared_Studios

J

Jblvn (talk) 22:24, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

I would say that "Portals" has a higher chance of being accepted. None of the sources cited in "Shared Studios" has any discussion of the subject, such as would be required to establish notability. Incidentally, I see that many of the sources cited in both drafts are based on interviews with Bakshi. Such citations contribute nothing to establishing notability, as these sources are not independent. Maproom (talk) 07:39, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Numbers in page history

Moved from the talk page - Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 09:42, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Whenever a user edits a article, red or green numbers appear with a negative or positive sign. What does that mean? Are those how many keystrokes a user increased or decreased the length of the article, up and down votes, or something else? Barrythevet (talk) 22:29, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

• Hello Barrythevet. You are not far off with your "keystrokes" guess, it is actually the increase or decrease of the page length in wiki syntax in bytes, see Help:Page history (item 15) for the details. It is fairly close to the number of keystrokes if it is only adding or deleting stuff, but modifying text will take more keystrokes than change bytes (e.g. changing tigers and dragons to dragons and tigers will appear as a 0-byte modification.) Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 09:42, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

how to make a new page

how do you make a new wiki article?Infected-plant (talk) 12:57, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Infected-plant, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read: Wikipedia:Your first article – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:51, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Creating my first ever Wikipedia entry

Hello, helpful people. I have just created my first ever new page, for the Billy Bragg album Shine A Light. (I am the author of Billy Bragg's official biography and have taken on the task of updating his Wikipedia entry.)

I have carefully composed the page using others as templates, and the preview looks sound. It is now a Draft, as I understand it. I'm told the page needs verifying by another registered user. I don't know how to start this process.

Can anybody help, please? It feels like a very basic questions, but I'm on a learning curve!

Draft:Shine_A_Light

Acol37 (talk) 06:18, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Acol37. I have moved your draft to Shine A Light (Billy Bragg and Joe Henry album). You did a good job. Next time, you can use the optional Articles for Creation process. If you are confident that your draft articles are compliant, you can move them into encyclopedia main space yourself. Ask questions here at the Teahouse any time. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:58, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Wow, that was an instant response and about as helpful as I could have hoped. Thank you.Acol37 (talk) 07:02, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Happy to help. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:09, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Hi, shouldn't the 'A' in the title be lowercase...? WWW pages referenced in links seem to use 'a' (except the 'official' one, which is all-upper-case). --CiaPan (talk) 10:02, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello. I think it should indeed be a lower-case "a" in Shine a Light. How do I go about correcting this in the name of the entry? (I'm sure this is a simple process but it's baffling me, as the title seems to be fixed and uneditable.) Any hints?

(All assistance gratefully received at this early stage of my development.)

Acol37 (talk) 10:48, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@Acol37: You just use a move link at the page to move it to another name. See Wikipedia:Moving a page for more information.
However, you may be unable to do that if your account is not autoconfirmed (section Wikipedia:Moving a page#Before moving a page and page WP:AUTOCONFIRM may explain that in more details). If this is the case, just put a request here.
Good luck! --CiaPan (talk) 11:51, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! That seemed to work. Much appreciated. (There's a lot to learn round here - some hand-holding is required.)

Acol37 (talk) 12:50, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Well done, Acol37! :) CiaPan (talk) 13:12, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Not sure how to respond to the recent message you left about the NewAC.jpg, which I first uploaded in 2007 and then in 2011, and found myself mired in copyright issues that still confuse me. It's an out of date picture that I have no further interest in adding to my own Wikipedia entry. I would delete it but don't know how. Is there a link that will help me, please?

Acol37 (talk) 14:41, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

I did not write anything abusive

However, I cannot publish the last translation. The dialogue page appears each time, when I hit the Publish button.

I'll provide the link for that page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?title=Special:ContentTranslation&campaign=contributionsmenu&to=en&page=Гасымов%2C+Эльмар+Эльдар+оглы&from=ru&targettitle=Elmar+Gasimov+Eldar

Please, help me. Vatanifardin (talk) 14:21, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

it is the full error message

An error occurred while publishing the translation. Please try to publish the page again. Error: Hit AbuseFilter: Content Translation Edits

Vatanifardin (talk) 14:23, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

The answer is in the first paragraph of Wikipedia:Content translation tool. To use the content translation tool you must be an extended confirmed user. To be an extended confirmed user there are two criteria and you must meet both, 500 edits and 30 days since registration. Your account has been registered for over 30 days but you have only made 23 edits. As soon as you have made 500 edits you will become extended confirmed and you will have access to the translation tool. ~ GB fan 14:34, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

~GB fan, but I didnot use that tool.Vatanifardin (talk) 14:37, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

The problem is that you left an edit summary of "Created by translating the page "Гасымов, Эльмар Эльдар оглы"" The filter takes it anytime the edit summary that starts with "Created by translating the page "[[" it is the content translation tool. How did you do the translation of ru:Гасымов, Эльмар Эльдар оглы? ~ GB fan 14:45, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

How hard can uploading a book cover be?

Teahouse pals! I am attempting what I thought would be the simple task of adding a book cover to the entry for Billy Bragg. But the copyright part of the process is mind-blowing. Wikipedia seems to have an illustration on every other entry for a book, but the form I have to fill on Wikipedia Commons is forbidding indeed! How to achieve this simple thing, please? Clearly, I don't own the copyright to the book cover, but how do others pull this off? Acol37 (talk) 14:51, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Acol37, and welcome to the Teahouse. As you have noticed, Wikmedia Commons does not allow hosting non-free content. Wikipedia, on the other hand, has set an exception for cases just like this. The terms are outlined in WP:Non-free content. Use Wikipedia's Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. Answering its questions walk you through this particular case of uploading non-free book covers. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:54, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) If the copyright belongs to someone else, it can't be uploaded to Commons. A book cover might well be able to be uploaded to the English Wikipedia if you can demonstrate that it meets all the non-free content criteria, but the advice given recently in another case is that this would be acceptable to illustrate an article on the book, but not for an article on the author. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:58, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

That's very enlightening. Thank you. I'll leave well alone!

Acol37 (talk) 15:18, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Just help me to publish this passage

Here the link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?title=Special:ContentTranslation&campaign=contributionsmenu&to=en&page=Гасымов%2C+Эльмар+Эльдар+оглы&from=ru&targettitle=Elmar+Gasymov+Eldar Vatanifardin (talk) 15:24, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Where to put stubs?

I know what a stub is. what I don't know is where to put stubs. Do you place it at the top of an article? or the bottom? Jeth888 (talk) 17:19, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

You obviously don't know what a stub is. A stub is a type of article, see WP:Stub. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:27, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

If you intended your question to be where to place a template such as {{Mexico-stub}}, you will find the answer at Template:Mexico-stub#How is a stub identified?. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:31, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

what I mean is where do I put the {{stub}} tag when tagging an article that is a stub. Jeth888 (talk) 17:40, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Stub has information on how to add stub templates to articles, but the basic idea is that "the stub template is placed at the end of the article, after the External links section, any navigation templates, and the category tags, so that the stub category will appear after all article content." Random character sequence (talk) 17:49, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

If you look at the documentation on the template, it tells you, read the section "How is a stub identified?" ~ GB fan 17:51, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks ~ GB fan. Jeth888 (talk) 18:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

I cannot post my article and I would like to know why. I think my source is right.

I am very excited to post my 1st article to Wikipedia but unfortunately, I got a decline.

I would like to ask for some help what should I do differently.

I would be very thankful and delighted.

My article is not too long but from my point of view, it is interesting. You can find it at the following link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sights_over_sound

Menyhert.kristof (talk) 16:59, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Menyhert.kristof, the problem is that you have only one actual source, and it is the primary source of the topic. You need multiple secondary sources, by other people, who review, discuss and critique Tsay's thesis. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:16, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

A quick google search turned up several [1][2][3][4][5] secondary sources that cover the subject and look pretty reliable. If these sources (and possibly others) can be incorporated into the article, it will hopefully help establish enough notability to be published. I'd also recommend checking out the "find sources" links at the top of the draft page to help find more sources as well. Random character sequence (talk) 17:24, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

This Google Scholar search delivered over 80 other academic articles that have cited Tsay's article. Some of these are bound to be useful sources of secondary criticism of Tsay's work. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:25, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

I think it might work better as a section of some other article, anyway. —Tamfang (talk) 18:41, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Various questions

Hi How do I join children's literature? What are Wikipedia vandals? Iris Medallion (talk) 19:05, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Iris Medallion. Questions belong here and not on the talk page so I moved your post. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Children's literature#Participants for how to join WikiProject Children's literature. Vandals intentionally make abusive edits. See Wikipedia:Vandalism. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:41, 25 May 2017 (UTC)