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My submission don't have review yet, please help

I submitted a page last week and haven't received feedback (approval or disapproval). Would love to know how could I proceed. Thanks so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohjesabee (talk • contribs) 00:59, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

I see the article in your sandbox, but it doesn't appear to have been submitted yet. See Wikipedia:Articles for creation. My opinion is that it's a bit light now, and could use more sourcing to demonstrate notability. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 02:15, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Ohjesabee. I assume that you are talking about User:Ohjesabee/sandbox, but that page is not currently submitted for review. Please read Template:AFC submission/submit, and place the template described there at the top of your sandbox. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:21, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Hey Ohjesabee, we told you effectively the same thing the last time you asked that question. —teb728 t c 02:29, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

First, third and fourth refs are to Youtube; not accepted as suitable refs by Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 15:25, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

New wiki page for Matt Lange

Hello,

I a created a new page for DJ/Producer, Matt Lange. What steps are needed to take to make this page public on wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsmattsimpson (talk • contribs) 05:41, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

@Itsmattsimpson:, welcome to the Teahouse. I removed the proposed article text from this page, since this is not the place for that. As for your sandbox article, it is unfortunately entirely promotional - almost every single sentence would have to be fundamentally rewritten for it to read like an encyclopedia article rather than an advert for the person. Also note that Wikipedia, iTunes, and Facebook should not be used as sources. More information about that here. --bonadea contributions talk 06:49, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

It is a bio of factual context, which is exactly what wikipedia is supposed to be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsmattsimpson (talk • contribs) 06:51, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:23, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

This excerpt from what you wrote is exactly what Wikipedia is not: "...defying the unwritten rules of the digital age by diving even deeper into modular synth roots under a modern electronic translation, putting his raw, textured sound on a tier untouched by other producers in his realm." David notMD (talk) 15:49, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

References from sources

Hi.

As I'm new to all this, I'd like to know what the policy is if you're writing an article about something you were personally involved with: in this case a band. There are no sources for any of the material that will go in the article. It's all from memory. Does this mean that I cannot write the article?

Please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Euruski (talk • contribs) 20:37, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, Euruski. In order to notable by our standards, a subject must have received significant coverage in published independent reliable sources. Sorry —teb728 t c 20:57, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

An article about a live person

Hi All,
I have written an article about a live person.
Yesterday this person made a demonstration in the middle of the road, and was put in fences on the sidewalk by the police.
As a reaction, the person tried to commit a suicide, but the police quickly seized the pill box which the person held. It was fully recorded in a video on Facebook.
Is it possible to write it in the article about the person? Less than a year ago, the person said in the Knesset that it would commit a suicide, and it was written in the Knesset's protocol. Dgw (talk) 01:42, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Without knowing more, it's hard to tell whether the event is notable enough itself - it depends on the depth and breadth of media coverage, and to a lesser degree, to the event's lasting significance. For notability guidelines, see Wikipedia:Notability. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 02:12, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Dgw, discuss it on the article talk page. —teb728 t c 02:49, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your useful assistance. I looked around and there was no media echo. Therefore I would NOT write about it. I also took an example from Yigal Bashan. Nothing was written. In Hebrew is was written. Dgw (talk) 20:58, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Salut! Hi!

Someone has messed up this page Hellodadbot (talk) 22:16, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Hellodadbot Can you be more specific about what is wrong? I reviewed the page and it seems OK. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:24, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

About its future fleet and destinations have no citation. Hellodadbot1234 (talk) 07:09, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

If unsourced info was controversial or otherwise troubling, it would be deleted for having no sourcing. In this case, being a flight schedule, the article is already marked as needing citations. That's as much as we need to prompt people to find sourcing. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:45, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Suggested/best practice for "updating" a minor edit not tagged as minor

I recently made my first edit to an article - an extraordinarily minor change to add a missing period; this occurred in the Straw man page. However, I forgot to tag it as a minor edit and published it. I immediately noticed this after publishing, but it seems my only options were to undo the edit, or, as I now see in Minor edit, I could have made a dummy edit (that page suggests doing so for the reverse case, of accidentally marking a major edit as minor, which of course is a bigger concern).

What I did was: undo my edit (marking that as minor, which was perhaps a mistake?), and then resubmit the exact same edit, marked as minor.

What I would have liked to do (what seems to be the cleanest way of addressing this) would have been to either delete my own edit, or better, have the option to update/re-publish my edit with the "minor edit" box marked.

I'm familiar with revision systems like git's, but I don't have a sense of how changes to Wikipedia are overseen, and therefore I don't have a sense of how these types of metadata are used in practice, but what I'm wanting is an efficient way to generate compact, accurate, and analyzable revision information. In this particular case, how I handled the situation created three history entries because of a simple error. In the given environment, the best information I've found as an alternative would be to potentially make a dummy edit and use that edit to note that the previous edit, not marked as minor, was actually minor. That, however, still creates two history entries, and it fails to correct the original issue, which is that there's now a minor edit in Wikipedia's non-minor edit stream. That's unsatisfying to me, and it seems like it would be a relatively simple (not trivial, but not that complicated) feature change to address this.

This may seem like a minor point to make (haha), but I have two questions:

1. What *is*, in fact, the best practice for a situation like this? (Perhaps it is even "don't sweat not marking a minor edit as minor, just leave it as is", but if it's the dummy edit suggestion, that seems like a dummy process, to me, and I'm looking for something more satisfying.)

2. If I'd like to suggest a change to Wikipedia's design/feature set to address this use case, where would I do so? (I looked for where to contribute such suggestions, and I couldn't quickly find it, and have spent 45 mins+ just to get enough info so that I could ask my first question, and then ask the question... so I'm hoping that perhaps someone familiar with Wikipedia can point me in the right direction. Nothing in either Wikipedia:Questions or Wikipedia:FAQ/Index seemed to point the way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schroedey (talk • contribs) 20:52, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Schroedey, you can't change an edit summary, or the "minor edit" flag, once your edit has been submitted. And it's no big deal. I have been forgetting to mark some of my minor edits as minor for twelve years, and no-one has ever complained.

If there were a process for changing the flag and/or the edit summary, this might also have a field for giving the reason for the change - and then someone would propose a facility to go back and change that. And we would all disappear in an infinite regress. Maproom (talk) 22:54, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Schroedey Welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for your questions. It's refreshing to respond to an editor who is deeply concerned at the quality of their first edits and related edit summaries. That suggests you have the makings of a great Wikipedia editor. But you needn't have fretted over this particular issue at all. Marking a significant edit as a minor one is not good, but the reverse situation is of no concern to anyone. The purpose of marking edits as 'minor' is to avoid alerting those editors who choose (via their 'Preference' settings) not to be notified of trivial edits to pages they're interested in; they only want to know about major changes. Your edit, as helpful as it was, certainly fell into the trivial category, and you really did not need to revert and re-do the edit as a minor one. You might like to read more about this topic at Help:Minor edit and Help:Edit summary. Best practice is to do nothing in this example, but for the reverse situation you could have made a subsequent 'dummy edit', not marking it as minor one, and summarising the previous edit, accidentally flagged as a minor. That'll alert everyone who cares.

To answer your second question, suggestions for improvements can be made via a tool we call Phabricator, and you can read how we do this by visiting: Wikipedia:Bug reports and feature requests.

Finally, what would be really, really helpful in future is if you could remember to 'sign' every talk page edit, please. It helps us know who has said what, and when they said it. To sign a post, simply type four keyboard tilde characters at the end of your post (like this: ~~~~). Does this help? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:13, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Wiki search

Hello. Am an artist and wanted to make myself searchable. How can I make my profile available on wikipedia search? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The KrezyStudent (talk • contribs) 17:37, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

@The KrezyStudent: Apologies, but Wikipedia probably isn't what you're looking for. Do you meet the criteria outlined here? -A lad insane (Channel 2) 17:42, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, The KrezyStudent. I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. If at some point we have an article about you, it will not be a profile, and it will not belong to you. It will be a summary of what people unconnected with you have chosen to publish about you, in reliably published places. It will contain little or no information which comes directly from you, and your role in editing it will be limited to making suggestions, which uninvolved editors will then decide what to do with. Wikipedia may not be used for promotion in any way. --ColinFine (talk) 00:03, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Biography Creation

I need to create a Biography page but have never done so before. How do I get the template to edit and publish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbmproserv (talk • contribs) 18:29, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mbmproserv In order to get the {{paid}} template on your userpage to transclude you have to take it out of the nowiki tag. I did that for you. —teb728 t c 19:40, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Mbmproserv. For all information about the rather difficult process of creating an acceptable Wikipedia article, please read Your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 00:05, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Using the Church's official name in its first reference, and an accepted shortened name in secondary references.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints through President Russell M. Nelson has said that "Mormon" and "LDS Church" are offensive nicknames that detract from the Church's focus: Jesus Christ. The nicknames "Mormon" or "LDS Church" are therefore requested to be removed in reference to the church in respectful publications. Wiki pages explaining the origination and use of these nicknames are appropriate but there are many pages on Wikipedia that could and should use the accepted/appropriate names of the Church instead of the nicknames. I'd like to help.

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/style-guide https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2018/10/the-correct-name-of-the-church?lang=eng

I tried to edit the page Missionary(LDS Church) to reflect these requests but was stopped. Will you help? Thanks, Ben — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bendespain (talk • contribs) 03:10, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Bendespain. The procedure for requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves is given at WP:RM#Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. —teb728 t c 04:39, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Bendespain. The relevant policy is MOS:LDS. --ColinFine (talk) 23:42, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Bendespain, you might be interested in the discussion going on about that issue. Schazjmd (talk) 00:58, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

New article, how to improve and publish

Hi, First thanks for your efforts and help, I am interested in learning how to improve my article and finally publish it. My article is about the international art association the Chamber of Public Secrets, this group of artists and curators has form an influential movement and has been active in Northern Europe during the last 10 years. Kindly advice what steps I need to take before the article can be published. Note: the article is in my sandbox. Thank you indeed, Anouti Abeid — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anoutiabed (talk • contribs) 03:43, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Anoutiabed, as far as I can tell you don't have a sandbox. Maybe you're referring to a sandbox of some other account. Can you please give a link to the sandbox you're asking about? Maproom (talk) 07:42, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

The list of your contributions also does not any indicate the draft you cited. I did a quick search about the subject matter and I did see some sources available. So it would help if you can direct us to your draft so we can provide you with helpful suggestions. Darwin Naz (talk) 06:41, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Local government magazines as source

Hi everyone. I'd like to know if it's allowed to cite locally-published magazines as reference to an article. Here in the Philippines, some of the city government have their own magazines without any online presence. Thanks. Carlobulletinph (talk) 04:48, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Carlobulletinph. I edited your post so that it has its own separate section, given it has a different subject. Regards, Darwin Naz (talk) 06:50, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

That yellow chicken powder

Do we have an article for that? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:30, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Sort of. See this article section.

Thanks! I just added that section and was about to post here. The content is unsourced, but true! I swear. :) I'll see what I can dig up. Next time I'm at the supermarket, I will take a pic of the huge wall of zillions of chicken powder packages, every single one a Knorr lookalike. Cheers. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:36, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Changing my name on my page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_Isle

Sorry, I posted this without a subject. Trying again. I'm a transgender guy and an author and I need to change my name on my page. I've done so within it but not the title of the page itself as you see. Any help gratefully accepted.

Alex — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ratfuzz (talk • contribs) 09:16, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

@Ratfuzz: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You probably should confirm your identity with Wikipedia by emailing the address at the end of the paragraph found at this link. Please note that it is not "your page" but an article about you. The title of the article about you can be changed by moving it to a new title. Is the change of your name and/or identity discussed in any reliable source that can be verified? 331dot (talk) 09:27, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I'm duly corrected. I will have to take some time to read through this stuff as I don't yet understand how to verify my name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ratfuzz (talk • contribs) 10:19, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

@Ratfuzz: I have posted some welcome information on your user talk page. Any reliable source that mentions your identity and/or name that you now go by would be fine. A news story, something from your publisher like a biography of you on their website, etc. 331dot (talk) 10:24, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Note that right now this individual's "page" resembles social media or a resume more than an encyclopedia article. Sources are limited to a blog and two commercial publishing sites. If better sources cannot be found, we may not have an article.--Quisqualis (talk) 08:28, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

No, he meets WP:ANYBIO as he has won a notable award, and that is already reliably sourced (I'm not sure why you don't think Locus Magazine is not reliable). The article should be trimmed to remove trivia, but it's not a candidate for deletion. --bonadea contributions talk 09:15, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Links to related (but wrong) articles

I have both a specific and general question. I noticed that the link for the Jim Thompson novel The Transgressors doesn't link to an article about the novel but rather links to the page for Thompson the author. I also noticed this in a song by The Bangles, there was a link to a song on an album but the link took you to the album, there was no actual page for the individual song. I plan to write an article for the Thompson novel. When I do, how do I change the current redirect so that it points to the article about the book not to the article about Thompson? Also, I just wanted to double check I assume this conflicts with some policy or if not just common sense. I think it's very confusing both to users and editors to have links like that. I don't like Red Links either, I think the proper policy should be don't create links until you have an article, at least a stub, because IMO red links are confusing for new users, at least I found them confusing the first time I encountered one. But between a red link and a link that goes someplace unexpected I think a red link is far better, is this pretty much agreed upon? --MadScientistX11 (talk) 01:33, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Redlinks serve a purpose in that they point to the need for an article. This is meaningful unless and until redlinks are overused. Sorry I cannot answer your main question.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:34, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

@MadScientistX11: See Wikipedia:Redirect#How to edit a redirect or convert it into an article and Wikipedia:Red link. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:03, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Question

Tại sao tôi lại không tôi không được ghi nhận là người dùng sáng tạo và đóng góp chương trình — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muimui usu (talk • contribs) 12:42, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

References

Hello, Muimui usu, and welcome to Wikipedia! While efforts to improve Wikipedia are always welcome, unfortunately, your contributions are not written in English that is good enough to be useful. You appear to be more familiar with Vietnamese; did you know there is a Vietnamese Wikipedia? You may prefer to contribute there instead. In any case, welcome to the project, and thank you for your efforts! -- GMG^talk 13:43, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Xin chào Welcomeen-vi, và chào mừng bạn đến với Wikipedia! Trong khi những nỗ lực để cải thiện Wikipedia luôn được chào đón, thật tiếc là đóng góp của bạn không được viết bằng tiếng Anh đủ tốt để có thể giúp ích cho người đọc. Bạn có vẻ quen thuộc hơn với tiếng Việt; bạn có biết là cũng có Wikipedia phiên bản ngôn ngữ tiếng Việt không? Có lẽ bạn sẽ cảm thấy thích đóng góp vào đó hơn là Wikipedia tiếng Anh này. Dù thế nào đi nữa, chào mừng bạn đến với dự án, và cảm ơn những nỗ lực của bạn! -- GMG^talk 13:43, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

I am entirely new to Wikipedia- where do I start?

I've only ever corrected spelling mistakes on anonymous mode before, but I decided to make an account and really delve into the world of wikipedianism. It all seems very overwhelming though! Where do I start? BetweenCupsOfTea (talk) 16:15, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello BetweenCupsOfTea and welcome to the Teahouse; we're happy you would like to help out. A great place to learn information about Wikipedia and how you can help is the Wikipedia Adventure. The community portal has a list of pages that need improvement, which is often a good place to start for newer editors. If you have any more specific questions, let us know. Cheers, --SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 16:25, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

New article

When would i able to start my own article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Odishawiki (talk • contribs) 16:41, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

@Odishawiki: You can start now by reading WP:YFA to learn how to create an article, and then use the wizard there to create a draft article for review. It is not easy to create a new article, particularly if you are new. The usual advice is to start by working on improving existing articles first to gain experience. RudolfRed (talk) 16:53, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia

"This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia." That is the reason why my article was denied. However, multiple other similar articles have been approved for years. (My article is about an Continuing Anglican church.) The thing is, the nature of what I am writing about doesn't get much third-party citation: who writes about independent churches??

Here's my link as proof: Draft:Episcopal_Catholic_Church

Now look at these other churches and see if this feels like discrimination to you: Continuing_Anglican_movement#Other_Anglican_churches

I am at my wit's end and need help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Revparker (talk • contribs) 12:51, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

@Revparker: Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Please note that just because other stuff exists, your "stuff" is not necessarily notable enough for inclusion. After all, every subject is different. So instead of concentrating on the perceived "unfairness" of other churches getting articles when your's doesn't, you should instead endeavor to find coverage in independent reliable sources and add them to the draft. Regards SoWhy 13:01, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

As a specific example, check out this article: Traditional_Anglican_Church_of_America

Now how does that article get approved with absolutely NO references whatsoever and my page gets rejected?

Should I re-submit as a stub? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Revparker (talk • contribs) 13:03, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Can I re-publish my article "draft: Episcopal Catholic Church" as a stub similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Anglican_Church_of_America?

There are no "independent reliable sources" yet and while fairness may be a moral term, discrimination is a legal one. I believe my article is being discriminated against as religious persecution, which is of course against the law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Revparker (talk • contribs) 13:09, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

If there are no independent reliable sources, then the subject does not warrant a Wikipedia article. That is a very clear policy of Wikipedia. It has nothing whatever to do with religious discrimination. Maproom (talk) 13:33, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

You are correct, I was NOT threatening legal action against Wikipedia, as everyone can likely tell I am just extraordinarily frustrated with Wikipedia right now. How is a PhD-level scholar such as myself unable to get one article published with Wikipedia? It's been simply maddening! Ah, I just want to scream "Bah Humbug" but instead I wish you and the Wikipedia family a Merry Christmas. I guess, whether I like it or not, Wikipedia has become a part of the family now so thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Revparker (talk • contribs) 13:38, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with your writing ability or level of education, and everything to do with the notability of the subject that you picked. shoy (reactions) 13:56, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Revparker, Nobel-prize winners have had similar frustrations, so you're in good company. WP is a special place, and can take time to understand. Merry Christmas to you too! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:21, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

The problem for we (PhD) editors is that we know something to be true, but unless other people have published about it, not Wikipedia suitable. Worse in medicine/health arena, because in vitro, animal and human clinical trial references are not accepted, only published review articles. MD/PhD editors get VERY cranky when their own published research is deemed insufficient. David notMD (talk) 16:52, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

By the way, pointing out other articles as models sometimes leads to those being nominated for deletion, as, now, Traditional Anglican. It has been around for years, but as you noted, has no references. David notMD (talk) 17:07, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Co-Author Request: S-7000.A Real Property Tax Law in New York State

Hi, we've written a summary of the current property tax law of New York State. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:S.7000-A_Real_Property_Tax_Law_in_New_York_State We've also added many links from the New York Times that describes the history of the bill enactment into law.

We'd love if someone here could help co-author this article.

Or help with getting it published.

The law affects millions of people and to this very day people affected are not aware of it or do not understand it.

This article summarizes the key points of the law and shows it's effect over time.

We will keep the article up to date as time progresses.

Can someone give pointers on changes needed.

We submitted and waited many many weeks and received a few comments but more help would be appreciated.

This seems to be a very important topic that is simply missing from wikipedia and we'd love to help wikipedia include it.

Thanks. Ryozzo (talk) 04:50, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Ryozzo (talk)

First: who is "we"? Wikipedia accounts are intended to be used by one person only, and not to be used by companies (including law firms) or for commercial purposes. Are you anything other than an individual editor, editing without pay on your own time? General Ization ^Talk 04:48, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

"We" is referring to "two poor souls" myself and an eighty year old gentleman who was involved in the making of this particular law. It is not a company or law firm Ryozzo (talk) 04:52, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

And yes we are surely editing without pay Ryozzo (talk) 04:53, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing that up. While you may be working with another person as a team on this project, I'd suggest avoiding the constant references to yourself as "we", as this tends to raise questions around here. The singular "I" and "me" are fine. General Ization ^Talk 04:58, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Noted, I was just trying to give credit where credit was due. Ryozzo (talk) 05:01, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Is there anyone interested in helping with this article on Property Tax? I've updated the article to include nytimes articles that focus on the tax law creation. I'd prefer to review it here before re-submitting. Thanks for having a friendly place to review. Ryozzo (talk) 17:46, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Request for friendly help.

Is there anyone interested in helping with this article on Property Tax? I've updated the article to include nytimes articles that focus on the tax law creation. I'd prefer to review it here before re-submitting. Thanks for having a friendly place to review. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#Co-Author_Request:_S-7000.A_Real_Property_Tax_Law_in_New_York_State Ryozzo (talk) 17:59, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Ryozzo I took a quick look at your article draft and made some changes. The tax table info is excessive and probably why the article was not approved, so I deleted it. I also made some formatting changes and moved the history to the top, as is the custom here. I know almost nothing about tax code, but when I have more time I'll do a deeper dive. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:43, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Question: Third Wheel

I was recently asked by a young person where the term “third wheel” came from, as a term for an extra person or companion to a couple. While I have known the source(s) for near a half-century, we found (an exercise in referencing) nothing close to a historical foundation for the terms of either a third, or fifth, wheel.

The “Wikis” say: the third is inspired by the fifth, or it is a part on a truck, or movie, but FAIL to say WHERE IT CAME FROM.

I am a basic computer user, not a programmer (nor is the child) would someone else be willing to add this to Wikis?

The derivation of the “third, or fifth wheel” as an idiom in language referring to a person: From a wheeled vehicle: the spare tire. It is handy to have along in the case of an emergency, but otherwise a cumbersome and awkward accoutrement. From marine activities: in the pilot or wheelhouse of a boat or ship. One wheel is needed. Two wheels connected and mounted one to each side for visibility during docking or other movements of the boat can be indispensable. A “third wheel” in the wheelhouse is superfluous, or lacks purpose.

Hence a "third, or fifth, wheel" in relationships is an extra person in a possibly uncomfortable, and feeling in an unneeded or extra, position.

Thanks for adding this in. It's beyond my tech, or interest to find out how, to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjwasright (talk • contribs) 18:24, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Tjwasright. Welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for wanting to help us contribute to the encyclopaedia. Unfortunately, one of the basic principles of Wikipedia is that every piece of information in it should be found in a reliably published source. (Anybody can edit Wikipedia - by design - so if information is not cited to a source, then somebody could come along and change it, and the reader would have no way of knowing which version was correct). So we cannot accept any information that you "just know" (or that I "just know"). If you can find a reliable published source that explains that "third wheel" comes from a wheelhouse on a ship, that could possibly be added to an article, but not otherwise. Since you say you have been unable to find a source, this does not seem likely. You may be right, but one of the "mavens" at Random House disagreed with you. In any case, Wikipedia won't say it unless somebody has already done so in a reliably published source.

There is another possible problem, which is that Wikipedia is not a dictionary. It does not normally have articles about words or phrases, but about the things the words refer to. Only if there has been a significant amount published about the specific phrase "third wheel" could I imagine a Wikipedia article being accepted on the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 22:14, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

IMAGE placement

Working on Barrio de San Lázaro, Havana, image "Torreon de San Lazaro. 1665" drops down to an incorrect section. I want to format it like so image is placed NEXT to subject:

Torreon

Torreon de San Lazaro. 1665

The torreon de San Lazaro was built in 1665 by engineer Marcos Lucio. From this fortification on could defend the Havana from the threat of attacks by corsairs and pirates.

The tower, named for a nearby leprosarium that was located in the cove of the same name, formerly known as Juan Guillén, served as a link between the castles of La Punta and La Chorrera, while watching the horizon in search of enemy sails.

ovA_165443 (talk) 17:42, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi ovA_165443. Done with {{Stack}}.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 22:30, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much PrimeHunter! ovA_165443 (talk) 23:07, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia store

A long time ago I stumbled across a page that sold Wikipedia gear. I'm hoping to find it again to get my daughter a backpack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Blacketer (talk • contribs) 03:50, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi, David! That would be https://store.wikimedia.org/, I believe. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 03:53, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Biographies of living people

I am interested in creating an article about a living person. My question is: are there any legal regulations to be aware of before doing this? Will I be violating that person's privacy if I do this without written consent? Is there a limit to what can be included on the article? - Puzzledvegetable (talk) 18:16, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

WP:BLP should answer most of your questions. And the limits on what you can write about are pretty much the same as for other articles. You can only paraphrase what reliable sources say. Nothing else. John from Idegon (talk) 18:21, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Puzzledvegetable you could potentially save yourself quite a bit of hassle by not communicating with the subject at all. Nothing the subject might tell you can be used in the article anyway, while being influenced by the subject actually creates a conflict of interest problem. I've never met or communicated with any of the people I've written about on WP. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:24, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Dino Radoš page

Hello dear editor,Im a professional basketball player from Croatia Dino Rados and I want a page about me...How can I made it or you can make it for me?

Greetings,Dino — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dino rados 12 (talk • contribs) 09:46, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Dino. You can not write about your self because you have a conflict of interest. It is possible that another editor may write an article about you, but that may not happen.Charles (talk) 09:58, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

@Dino rado 12: Please also see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest for more information. Regards, JACKINTHEBOX • ^TALK 10:12, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

How do I know if I'm now autoconfirmed?

Hi, I read that once my account is four days old and I have made 10 edits my page should be autoconfirmed, thereby allowing me to move pages. My account has now been active for five days and I've made more than 10 edits, but I can't seem to move pages. Can anyone tell me how I could tell if I've been autoconfirmed and why might I not have been? Tolstoy22 (talk) 20:42, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

This shows that you are autoconfirmed. What page are you trying to move? Dbfirs 21:10, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Dbfirs. Thanks for the hyperlink - it appears I am autoconfirmed, but I can't see the button to move a page. Where should it be? I want to move the Ernest Erbstein page to Ernő Egri Erbstein Tolstoy22 (talk) 13:12, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Tolstoy22. Look in the top-right corner of the page where you should see the Read, Edit, View history, etc. options. If you move your mouse over the More option, you should see the button to move a page. Does this help?--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 13:48, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, SkyGazer 512. Thanks. Oddly enough, the More button had just appeared to me for the first time at some point today. I saw it just before I clicked on the notification for your message. I'll try that. Tolstoy22 (talk) 14:15, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Strange how it didn't show up before, seeing as how you became autoconfirmed 2 days ago. Anyways, looks like you've got ti figured out now.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 14:17, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks SkyGazer 512. It's possible I wasn't properly logged in or something. I've moved the page now, but it is asking me to 'clean up' after the move and I'm too much of a newbie here to understand what it's requesting of me. Will this cause problems? Tolstoy22 (talk) 14:24, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

@Tolstoy22: It's certainly possible that you weren't logged in. Does WP:Moving a page#Post-move cleanup help? It explains quite a bit about what needs to be done after a move. If you have any specific questions about what that page says, feel free to ask.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 14:27, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

List of aircraft operators and/or deliveries

Hello, once again, Wikipedians of the teahouse.

I noticed that the list of Airbus A350 XWB orders and deliveries is more in-depth than any other of this list of Airbus aircraft orders and, in some articles, deliveries. In my opinion, it would be nice with a standard here on Wikipedia. Any opinions? --Biscuit-in-Chief ^{I'd love to hear your opinion :-)} 13:14, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

• @Biscuit-in-Chief: - it is difficult to impose a rigid "standard" within certain categories on Wikipedia, as it is an encyclopedia which anyone can edit. Evidently, someone has taken the additional effort in gathering sources and editing to enhance this specific list, to a greater degree than other similar articles. They are obviously free to do so, and deserve kudos for their efforts. There is not a burden on them to do the same for all articles of that ilk, as they are free to devote their time editing to wherever they wish. Quite simply, if you are unhappy with the standard of other articles in relation to this one, you can edit them to improve them and raise standards in line. The article which you have linked to appears to be, in broad terms, suitably sourced, and provided it obeys the pillars and is suitably sourced, there is no issue here. Articles can be of differing quality - if you dislike this, you can ameliorate them. The other way to set a standard, by disimproving the good articles, is a very poor idea, and not why we are here. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 14:39, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Help related to understanding Conflict of Interest on Wikipedia

Hello. As my userpage says, I have made over 3000 edits. But I have never really thought too much about COI, though every now and then I am careful. I just make sure now that I use good sources and edit as per guidelines. But I think now I need to consider COI properly because I want to stay on Wikipedia for a long time and not get into trouble later on. I would request someone to help me navigate Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines. When is something a conflict of interest?

• What should I write on my userpage to tell people if there is a COI?
• If I had a COI in the past, but now no longer have one, then?
• If I have studied with someone in the same University, but I don't know that person, and I create a Wikipedia page for that person, is that a conflict of interest?
• If I have worked volunteered in a volunteer organization and created the Wikipedia page for that organization on my own initiative, is that a conflict of interest?
• Can a person have a COI and still be able to create a good neutral article? Can they edit those articles in the first place? (Like doctors editing medical articles related to drugs, that isn't COI generally? unless?)
• What's the difference between being an expert and having a COI?... so many questions!! (I can write a Signpost article of this :D :D)

I want to make it clear that I have never done paid editing here. But since I want to continue editing Wikipedia (till I die :D :D) without any messy politics later on, I want to clear all this up now and make sure I stop making any mistakes which I may currently be making. Thank you for any answers in advance. Regards. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 07:56, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, DiplomatTesterMan. In a certain sense, every Wikipedia editor has a mild conflict of interest, because we edit the articles and topics that interest us personally in some way, as opposed to editing articles spit out by a random article generator. We should all be constantly examining our edits to see if our enthusiasms are overwhelming our neutrality. When I first started editing here nearly ten years ago, I worked on several biographies of mountaineers associated with the Sierra Club, and I have been a member of that club for over 40 years. But I am not an employee or an official of that club, and wrote those historical articles on my own initiative, without any coordination or communication with the club leadership. In other words, I was motivated primarily by a desire to improve the encyclopedia, and not by a desire to promote the Sierra Club. That is the metric for deciding whether or not a conflict of interest is counterproductive and unmanageable.

If you have even a mild conflict of interest, disclose it, and defer to experienced, uninvolved editors who evaluate your work in good faith. Open disclosure of potential COI is the basis for good practice in this area. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:56, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

I have a general COI disclosure on my User page, given my profession, and create a COI declaration on Talk pages of articles if I intend significant editing. I feel comfortable that I can achieve neutral point of view, so I edit articles directly rather than post proposed changes at Talk. Of your hypothetical examples, creating an article for an organization you volunteer for feels like a real problem as far as NPOV, because you may consciously or unconsciously select references that shine only a good light on the organization. David notMD (talk) 14:57, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Rejection of draft article because the article name already exists

I mistakenly created an article Draft: Alfa Anderson not realizing that the redirected article Alfa Anderson already exists. I would like to merge Draft: Alfa Anderson into the original article, but the draft article has been erased and a redirect placed there also. Can you please give me advice as to how I can go about recovering the information in Draft: Alfa Anderson and merging it into Alfa Anderson? I would also like to remove all the redirects. Thank you for your help. Jupiter3000 (talk) 20:49, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

@Jupiter3000: It's been redirected, not deleted. You need to establish that Anderson is notable outside of the band. You can do this by following the instructions present at User:Ian.thomson/Howto, taking special care to use sources that are specifically and primarily about Anderson but not the band. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:04, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Your advice was useful. Thanks again for your help! Jupiter3000 (talk) 18:58, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Create articles

Hi my name is Ilkin Shukurov. I created articles for the Azerbaijani Wikipedia. Now I want to create global articles. Help me please. Sincerely, Ilkin Shukurov. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IlkinShukurov (talk • contribs) 20:24, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello @IlkinShukurov: and welcome to the English Wikipedia. I do not know what standards the Azerbaijani Wikipedia has but I have been given the impression that each version of Wikipedia has unique standards.

Right now, your English Wikipedia account is not yet autoconfirmed, so you cannot create new pages in article-space on the English Wikipedia -- but you can still create drafts through the Articles for Creation process. This will also give you a somewhat safer space to work on articles than in article-space.

At User:Ian.thomson/Howto, you'll find my instructions for how to write articles that will not be rejected or deleted. In short, you need to summarize, paraphrase, and cite at least three professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are specifically about the subject but not affiliated with it. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:34, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

You submitted a blank page to Articles for Creation and a blank request on the AfC Help desk. Legacypac (talk) 21:19, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Article Suddenly Deleted 8 Months Later

I made a page for the writer Rebecca Renner. Someone marked it for deletion around the time it was created, and then another editor disagreed and deleted the "mark for deletion" thing. The article was up for most of the year, but now it's vanished. Why? An editor already said it was okay. I wasn't given any warning, and I didn't get a chance to save my work. Rtbailey99 (talk)

That was in April and they gave you a warning for speedy deletion. Why are you talking about this 8 months later. Breakroute (talk) 22:25, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Also see the deletion log for specific reasons for the deletion of the article. General Ization ^Talk 22:32, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

General Ization, Breakroute, how about giving an obviously confused Rtbailey99 a break here. As he clearly stated, the article was nominated for speedy deletion in April, and a unknown editor removed that speedy template. The OP incorrectly interperted that to mean the article was ok. At some point closer to the present, someone WP:PRODded the article, and since no one opposed that PROD (which the OP was not notified of), the article was deleted based on that. If one of our several administrator hosts could look into this, and perhaps WP:REFUND the article so it could be improved, that would be most helpful. John from Idegon (talk) 22:44, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Nothing I have said would preclude or discourage an administrator from doing exactly as you've said. It may or may not be that simple. Please see Draft:Rebecca Renner, by (apparently) a different editor. It's not clear to me whether this article pertains to the same person as written about by the OP. General Ization ^Talk 22:49, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

That's the same person. I found out that my page was deleted because she tweeted about her wikipedia page disappearing. Somebody else must have tried to fix the situation.Rtbailey99 (talk) 22:57, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Very good. I see that you successfully submitted your request that the page be undeleted, and it has been. Please coordinate with that other editor; their draft seems to suffer from the exact same limitations that resulted in the PROD of your article; by combining your efforts you may be able to improve the article so as to prevent deletion in the future. General Ization ^Talk 23:01, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

General Ization Are there any pages with guidelines to help me improve it. Should I just add more sources and information?

The current sources are almost all links to works by the subject. We need links to articles and information about the subject to verify the claims made concerning her. Please see Primary, secondary and tertiary sources, as well as Notability (people). General Ization ^Talk 23:11, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello

Does anyone want to adopt me for my first few months here, any help appreciated. Also can someone review my page protection request either at User talk:Oshwah or Wikipedia talk:Requests for page protection. Breakroute (talk) 21:28, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Don't see why your page protection request is needed. You reverted good faith edits by one editor and left a message on that person's Talk. That should suffice. David notMD (talk) 23:35, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Conflict of interest?

Hello I am an art critic and historian and I write about artists that I am interested in. How is it a conflict of interest? This is all public information Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artlover06 (talk • contribs) 00:27, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Note: the user asked this question here after I tagged their talk page with a WP:COI notice. The user has written only about one artist - Franz Klainsek - and the content they placed was WP:SPAM, mostly lifted directly from press releases. Dorsetonian (talk) 00:40, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Artlover06 - your account shows no editing history. Were you editing before you registered? No problem with that, but not possible to answer your COI question without knowing what you were editing. As noted by D____, if Franz Klainsek, copyright infringement led to quick deletion. David notMD (talk) 01:42, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

David notMD - I was not aware of these rules and did take information from public sources to create this article. I thought by citing this information, I would be following the Wikipedia rules. I understand this was a mistake on my part. To address the conflict of interest: This is an artist that is well known in New York Art scene; his work was shown in very important art galleries, including the Hoerle-Guggenheim Gallery and Mana Contemporary - his art I had the opportunity to see in person. I saw his feature on CNN and chose to add to this article. I understand now that the information I added was not following the wikipedia guidelines. I would appreciate the opportunity to be able to change mistakes and meet the Wikipedia criteria. I am an art critic and historian studying in school. I have studied this artist and his influences throughout the year of my schooling. I am writing a research paper on this artist as well, so I will have better information to add to this article. This is an important part of my schooling and all information will be unique and written by me. Dorsetonian this I believe also addresses your point. If you would like to remove the content that does not meet the criteria, please do, or I also can. I will edit from there. I intend to continue contributing to Wikipedia, especially artists as I move through my schooling and career. I am now aware of the guidelines and thank you for pointing out these mistakes.

Find all links to a page?

Is there a way to see which Wikipedia pages link to a specific Wikipedia page? Rixn99 (talk) 03:31, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Rixn99: when looking at an article, you should see "What links here" in the left sidebar under Tools. This will show you all the pages that link to the article in question. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 03:34, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Submitted an article request, but it is no longer appearing on the page...

Hi! I am very new here and I just submitted a request for an article to be created, but it is no longer appearing in the list on the page. Does that mean it was rejected or denied? I can still see it in the history, but it does not appear to have been rejected from what I can tell. Any feedback that anyone can offer would be really appreciated. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MonicaGreene (talk • contribs) 02:29, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi @MonicaGreene: Welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse! If you look at the page's history, you'll see that the editor right after you (Izno) reverted your edit with the edit summary "rv gf -- we need better sources". For context, "rv" stands for revert, and "gf" stands for good faith, which simply means that Izno was recognizing your contribution as being done in good faith. Two of the sources you provided were to a Twitter post and Wikipedia article, but those aren't the type of sources that establish the notability of the subject and help Wikipedians start articles. Instead, you'll want to provide reliable, published, third-party that can be used to base an article off of. Examples of sources could be magazine and news articles, third-party biographies, interviews, etc. The existence of multiple reliable sources help show that the subject is noteworthy enough for an article. Hope that helps, and feel free to follow up with any questions. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 03:32, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you @SuperHampster: I really appreciate the feedback. I was just looking at the other members of the band, and it looks like one of them has a stub article. Would this member be more of a candidate for a stub? I have found some more articles about the individual that might be more appropriate that I could include. Thanks again for your help! MonicaGreene (talk) 15:08, 16 December 2018 (UTC)MonicaGreene

Please Help Or can you do it for us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Vardre_RFC

This page link, we are unsure on weather it has been published, and if it has we would like Tommy o know how to change the name from Draft: Vardre RFC to simply Vardre RFC — Preceding unsigned comment added by VardreRugby (talk • contribs) 16:09, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

It is still draft. Do not submit it, as it is promotional (and without any citations). Also, your User name VardreRugby suggests you are associated with the proposed article, mostly likely in a paid arrangement. David notMD (talk) 18:14, 16 December 2018 (UTC)