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Requested articles

Are the topics listed in the Requested Articles page all notable? Is there someone evaluating their notability after they are listed there? The reason is that I am interested in helping write some of them but it would be frustrating if someone tags it for deletion after an article is written. Thanks! Darwin Naz (talk) 00:04, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@Darwin Naz: That's a good question and the answer isn't immediately obvious. If you go here to the history of the "music band and performers" RFC page, you can see several deletions on the grounds that three or more independent sources were not provided along with the request. If you go to the page its self you can see that it has guidelines for submissions and that the list is curated according to whether these submissions have been met or not. If you go to this link and look at the submissions for business and economics, you'll see similar curation efforts, but with slightly different terms. Each category provides its own guidelines and standards for notability, which makes sense really because notability isn't a standard measure in every category. Athletes are notable if they enter competitions. Artifacts are notable if their discovers publish information on them. Public figures are notable if they receive press coverage.

• My advise would be to ask this question on the talk page of a category which interests you and become familiar with the conditions for inclusion on that particular list. the short answer would be no, there is no guarantee that a list entry will be notable for the simple reason that as an editor, when creating an article, it is ultimately up to you to establish the notability of that subject. The conditions for inclusion on AFC lists are naturally lower than those for entry into the encyclopedia. Edaham (talk) 00:41, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Edaham for the reply. It is certainly difficult since I discovered that editors could have different interpretations of notability and it does not help that the guidelines also leave room for such multiplicity. I am taking note of your suggestion particularly about notability as not a standard measure in every category. I think that there are safe Requested Articles but there are those I am unsure of but are interesting for me to write. As some would probably agree here, writing is a bit tedious and interest is crucial in completing an article. Discussing it in the Talk page sounds good. I just expected that contributing an entry in this list would be, well, a less roundabout process. Again, thanks! Darwin Naz (talk) 01:05, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@Darwin Naz: Leaving it up to editors to interpret guidelines is actually a core component of the values on which Wikipedia is based. Some policies have varying flexibility. What does that mean? It is an inflexible policy that notability must be established. Everyone follows that one and it isn't likely to be changed. It is a flexible policy with regard to what constitutes notability. If disputed, establishment of notability can be based on consensus. The flexibility, or multiplicity as you put it, sometimes results in debates on talk pages, which are protracted and difficult to resolve. These debates however are a part of how successful crowd sourced projects work. Were notability policies inflexible (For example, a requirement that they must be mentioned in a scholarly journal), we would quickly find that they unduly exclude subjects which are not able to meet the required guidelines. For this reason the differing interpretations and ensuing debates are the lesser of two evils. Edaham (talk) 01:33, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Edaham the difficulty in resolving debates is partly the reason why I am turning to the Requested Articles list. I am hoping I could avoid such protracted process with the expectation that entries have been vetted by others. Anyway, you made excellent points and I would be keeping those in mind. Thanks! Darwin Naz (talk) 23:14, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

submitting a revised page after first one was declined

hello! i wonder if there is a step by step guide to how i go about deleting an old submission which was never approved and replacing it with a new and improved submission addressing the reasons for the declination before? it's the schools for chiapas/sandbox page and i have a new submission all ready to go in Word. can i somehow just copy it all with the new references, etc. and paste it into place for submission? if so, can anyone help with directions on how to do that. i have tried with simple cut and paste but that does not seem to work. thank you for any help you can provide! kimberly rosa — Preceding unsigned comment added by SfC-EpC (talk • contribs) 20:08, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

You should make all changes on the same page as the original submission rather than a separate page/document so other editors can help. Then click the resubmit button. There's more information in the article declined box on the page. RhinosF1 (talk) 21:19, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

• Note: Could you link to the article? RhinosF1 (talk)

hi and thanks for your reply--i was trying to make the changes on the same page as the original submission, by copying and pasting from the revised document that i have in Word. do i have re-type the whole thing into the wikipedia page? and if so, how do i include the endnotes/references? it's signficantly different, so it's not just about adding or deleting, etc. we've include updated information and then with many more endnotes/independent references, which was the reason it was declined the first go-round. the original is located at User:SchoolsForChiapas/sandbox. not sure how i can attach the new/updated article here? kimberly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.198.58.105 (talk) 23:37, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

I highly recommend just following this set of instructions on how to write articles instead of addressing every new problem as they pop up. If those instructions are properly followed, an article will not be deleted or rejected. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:45, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Making a page

Hello, I am trying to publish a page for the Sudanese protests which happened this month. I sent a draft but I haven't received any notifications for it. Can somebody help me please — Preceding unsigned comment added by MadeThisFor2018 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:2018_Sudanese_Protests I found the draft. Can someone help me publish it. I will edit later because I am very busy and I do hope someone helps out — Preceding unsigned comment added by MadeThisFor2018 (talk • contribs) 20:34, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

There is a backlog for such requests. So, please, be patient as this can take several months. Ruslik_Zero 20:41, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@MadeThisFor2018: It's never a good idea to submit a draft article for review if you aren't willing or able to work on it yourself. If, as here, it's a developing news story, its quite likely that someone else will create a page on it themselves, leaving reviewers little choice but to turn down your draft. That said, this sounds like a significant topic, so I have added three references from internationally-respected news outlets, and have left a request for interested editors at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sudan. Hope this helps a bit. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:56, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

I have contributed some information to your draft as well. Good luck. Darwin Naz (talk) 05:06, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Edit the box office collection of hebbuli

Courtesy link: Hebbuli

Box office = 56 crore Soure= ttps://bestoftheyear.in/movie/hebbuli/ .Some really good guy did edit the page.and someone removed it.It really is a reliable source. no one can find a source which says'the movie has not grossed 55 crore.' There also needs to be some editing in the page'list of highest grossing indian films '.(k annada).

I really want this to be updated please. T

Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Anchitya (talk • contribs)

 Already done ―Abelmoschus Esculentus ^{talk / contribs} 05:20, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Need help troubleshooting infoboxes

Hey all,

I came across the page for Susan Crown, and the infobox is all messed up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Crown

I tried figuring out how to fix it myself, but just couldn't get it to work in the preview. I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but is there a chance someone could tell me what that simple thing is?

Thank you! Capromeryx (talk) 09:47, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out Capromeryx. I fixed it thus. The link to Yale University was closed with only a single bracket. —teb728 t c 09:56, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Ah, that's perfect. Thanks again, have a nice day. Capromeryx (talk) 10:09, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Why is my article delayed in publication?

Hi. I wrote the following article for Wikipedia some months ago, but it has not appeared:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ronald_J._Allen

Would you please check on its status? As far as I can tell it conforms to Wikipedia's requirements for content, form, etc.

Thank you. Ronald Allen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronald J. Allen (talk • contribs) 12:13, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Ronald J. Allen - and welcome to the Teahouse. First, you've never submitted it as an article. Second, it's not in Draft form (which is where it would need to be to be submitted). What you have done is written an article on your Userpage. Please take a look at WP:YFA, which will help you understand how to submit an article. It will also help you understand some of the problems with the way you have it currently formatted. WP:CIT and WP:CITE are also good to understand how to use and format citations and footnotes. Hope this helps. And don't be afraid to ask questions if you need further help. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:25, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

OK, it's now in your Sandbox User:Ronald J. Allen/sandbox. What you have written is completely unsuitable for Wikipedia. For an article about a person, what is needed is content based on citations written about that person, by other people. A selected bibliography of work published by the person can be listed as part of the article, but none of that is usable to reference what the person thinks or says or does. Right now, everything following "A church theology" rests on what Williamson himself has written. To help a little bit, I created real sections and added one reference. Good luck in your endeavor. David notMD (talk) 12:57, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

How do I put html onto a page?

How can I include a html code into a page?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dillbot17 (talk • contribs) 16:22, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Dillbot17, welcome to the Teahouse. Because we have our own 'wikimarkup' here, only a few html elements are enabled. Please see WP:HTML for more information on those you can use.

Could you also sign all future talk page posts by typing four keyboard tilde characters at the end, please. This adds your username and a timestamp. Speaking of usernames: unfortunately - and you really weren't to know this - your username violates our username policy because it contains the word 'bot', which is a restricted word, suggestive of automated accounts. Could I invite you to simply abandon this account, never use it again, and create a new one with a different name, please? The shortcut to read about this is WP:USERNAME, and the section within it on this matter is at WP:MISLEADNAME. I'm really sorry about this, but its better to deal with it straight away before you embark on your Wikipedia journey. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:54, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Reinstate an old article that goes to a redirect

Hi,

An article, Elissa F. Cadish was created in 2012 and a year later was condensed down to a redirect because of a failed judicial nomination. While the subject was a failed federal judicial nominee, she has since been elected to a state supreme court, satisfying WP:BIO. How do I remove the redirect to reinstate the former article for this person? Thanks! Snickers2686 (talk) 17:36, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Snickers2686. One possibility is that you edit the redirect directly, to turn it into an article: after following the redirect, you pick the link at the top that says "Redirected from ...". But unless you are very confident of creating an acceptable article on the first attempt, I suggest it is better to start it as a new article, and worry about putting it over the redirect at a later stage. If you use Articles for creation, then when you submit the draft for review, the reviewing editor will sort out where it should go. Alternatively, when the time comes, you can ask an admin to move your draft over the redirect. --ColinFine (talk) 17:47, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Trying to add a citation

Hi, what am I getting wrong that when I attempt to add a citation, i get "error not saved" after entering the CAPTCHA? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phbm9684 (talk • contribs) 17:03, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Phbm9684, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's hard to tell what the problem is, without more information. One possibility is that you are trying to add a link to a site that is blacklisted. What is the citation you are trying to add? --ColinFine (talk) 17:51, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

how long does it take for a draft to be published

how long does it take for a draft to be published — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.87.192.253 (talk) 18:02, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

However long it takes the author to cite at least three professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that provide in-depth coverage specifically and primarily about the subject but are not affiliated with nor dependent upon it.

You can find detailed instructions on how to write a draft that will be approved almost as soon as anyone sees it here. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:05, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm looking for help to write an article about me as an MC, "Audio-Alpha"

Is there anyone who could help me put together something that won't get rejected when it comes to an article about me as an MC? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Audio-Alpha (talk • contribs) 17:54, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

@Audio-Alpha: Writing about yourself is a really bad idea -- see WP:COI and WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY.

As for writing an article that won't be rejected, I've written a guide for that. Eight simple steps that covers all the issues that new users usually face when writing articles. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:07, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

How to upload pictures or attach photos

Please how can I add pictures to my edits on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingsley kofi Sam (talk • contribs) 17:12, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, @Kingsley kofi Sam:: You may want to look at Help:Introduction to images with Wiki Markup/1, as that is an extensive tutorial on image usage. Remember: Wikipedia prefers images that you made or that are free, and that non-free images should preferably be used only once. Feel free to reply with additional questions, and be sure to reply with a signature (~~~~ at the end at your reply). –eggofreason^talk 19:37, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Lisa Bouchelle; musician biography

I have repeatedly attempted to update the Lisa Bouchelle bio, however while appearing on the Preview....the change doesn't show up. It concerns her latest video on You Tube for the song, 'If You Could Read My Mind,' which has over 113,000 views officially documented. What needs to be done? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ediththeelephant (talk • contribs) 21:22, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

@Ediththeelephant: I'm not seeing anything blocked in the edit filter nor any edits since the 8th. You're hitting "Publish changes" after hitting show preview, right? Ian.thomson (talk) 21:32, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

factual correction reversed

I am told that an alteration I made to the page of Abdul Minty has been reversed. The only alteration I recall making was to correct his date of birth but I do not know how to get in touch with Shellwood to find out why he altered it back. The date he quotes appears in a number of places but it is not correct https://commonwealthoralhistories.org/2017/interview-with-abdul-minty/ "4 May 2017 - Biography – Abdul Minty. Born South Africa, 1939. Graduate University College London. Appointed the Honorary Secretary of the British ..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.46.176 (talk) 21:39, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

These changes were made nearly two months ago but I'll ping Shellwood as he might be able to give us some insight although as you've said if many sources show the incorrect information without anything definitive showing othwrwise it's likely he thought you were incorrect. (pinging @Shellwood:)

Also, remember to sign your posts with ~~~~ RhinosF1 (talk) 21:44, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi 82.5.46.176, the source used in the article says 1933, but you seem to have found an other one stating something different. I feel I'm not in any position to judge which of the sources is most credible and leave this up to you. May I suggest that you in order to avoid situations like this in the future add the reference when you make changes like this. Shellwood (talk) 23:30, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Various articles about him give the different dates of 1933 and 1939, but I knew him when he lived in London and can confirm from my own knowledge that the year of his birth was 1939 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.46.176 (talk) 23:31, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

How to attached a photo

Hello friends, Would someone please let me know briefly how to attached a photo on page? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mona3003 (talk • contribs) 03:24, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Mona3003, welcome to the Teahouse. To help us answer your question, could you tell us which image you want to add, and to which page? If it relates to Draft:Elia Youlesivanson, you are better advised to focus on adding Reliable references and establishing Notability first, and worrying about adding images later. Please remember to sign all future posts with four keyboard tildes (like this ~~~~). Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 03:31, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Related to a "new?" user writing "I began editing in 2004 and became an administrator in 2006."

Hi. I am not sure whether what the User:Amanverma121 is writing is accurate or not on his userpage related to being an admin and want to ask if writing something like that is alright? On xtools.wmflabs.org there is a cross besides whether the user is an admin or not. Also I checked the admin list (here full list of accounts with administrator privileges} to see if the user is in the list of admins or a former admin Wikipedia:Former administrators/full. Can't find the users name there. So now I want to ask if a user can write that they are an admin without actually being one and am doubtful how to go about such things. Have I overlooked another way to check if a user is an admin or not? (since it will be really silly if the user is really an admin somehow)
(Note: I only came in contact with this user because the user made edits to a page I also edited sometime back Kartarpur Corridor, and when checking the page to see updates, saw the users update) Regards DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 07:40, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Oh wait!! Ummm, does the user mean an "administrator" in real!??? Opps? DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 07:50, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, DiplomatTesterMan. I have removed the incorrect claim from Amanverma121's user page. This editor has very few edits over many years and cannot possibly be an administrator. This type of deception is disruptive. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:06, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Cullen328, thanks for the follow up. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 08:08, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Is it possible to edit under an IP range, constructively?

Hi. So, I'm having a small doubt which may or may not relate to sockpuppetry. Just a general (maybe yes) query. Before asking this question I want to know whether or not you all respect IP editors. I have been editing constructively which seemingly comes under a CIDR IP range of 182.58.0.0/16, you can see most of my edits under species-related articles such as Rana tigerina or Hoplobatrachus tigerinus 1, 2 etc., reverting vandalism and text insertions via original research (synthesis of original statements).

So I have a doubt over it, since may be it can get used on other ranges as well and can get misused under vandalism charges. Likewise there was a significant amount of original research and a aggressive Point of view insertion with pure personal analysis 3. I'm afraid that I may be attributed for that, because my range is pinging a lot and changes drastically in that given range. I personally help by giving a hand in reverting vandals and solve misinterpretations. In case I'm, in my humble opinion, not getting the connection (if in future) for the sock-puppet cases. My question is am I allowed to work on an account and contribute (like this) constructively for privacy issues? That is, not as a sockpuppet but for legitimate use. Please help me! 182.58.170.239 (talk) 09:54, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Creating an account would not violate policy as long as you did not defend your IP. If you're worried but an alternative account disclosure on your user pages. RhinosF1 (talk) 09:58, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

See WP:SOCK RhinosF1 (talk) 10:00, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

OK so can I use my IP and my account together for legit purposes? 182.58.170.239 (talk) 10:10, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

No, stick to 1 account. Stop using the IP once you create the account. RhinosF1 (talk) 10:13, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

But only for legit purposes like editing constructively and reverting some vandals. 182.58.170.239 (talk) 10:15, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

To avoid conflicts, per WP:SOCK use only 1 account at once unless it's for certain purposes. for more info on editing while logged out see WP:LOGOUT RhinosF1 (talk) 10:19, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

OK thanks! 182.58.170.239 (talk) 10:21, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

If you need anymore help, let us know. RhinosF1 (talk) 10:23, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes I need some help, if I create a account and contribute constructively by following rules and all and in some cases I adopt WP:IGNOREALLRULES, with which I use one account and one IP address (or say IP range cause it deviates a lot), if I do that and contribute in a constructive manner via reversion of vandalism constructive fully (published academic sourced) cited and referenced contributions, without any conflict of interest in any of the aforementioned articles. Can I still continue contributing one with the IP address and the second with my account?

Actually I'm confused upon that only otherwise I'm good. @RhinosF1: 182.58.170.239 (talk) 10:55, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

An observation: I have come across editors that declare on User page that they have more than one account. Caveat is that they never use the two accounts to edit on the same articles. You are specifically asking if you can use an account and an IP "...together for legit purposes." The answer to that is "No." David notMD (talk) 11:08, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

OK But Why? 182.58.170.239 (talk) 11:26, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Because the Wikipedia model works on Consensus, and as such it's important that we know that each participant on a particular page is a distinct individual, as otherwise one person using multiple accounts or IP addresses can give the impression of consensus when none exists. You won't get in trouble for genuine accidents, such as forgetting to log on, but if someone regularly refuses to follow our rules on this without providing a very good reason for doing so, we'll eventually conclude that they're someone who's here for the wrong reasons. ‑ Iridescent 11:29, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

OK I know the fundamental model of working and passing the context is through WP:Consensus but if I follow it and participate in the discussions with only one account and no IP address at all, can I still use my account and IP for similar legit purposes and not to converse in my existing articles rather the different ones? I'm quite confused about this, I'm only going to follow a strict proposal so I need some dire help. Can I really use if I do not engage in inappropriate actions or rulings like exchanging votes and deceiving others by forged votes, commissions of legit and totally legit contributions. Please help in this! 182.58.170.239 (talk) 11:34, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, is anyone here 182.58.170.239 (talk) 11:38, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

HELLO @Iridescent: @David notMD: @RhinosF1: @!: ANYONE HERE HELP ME! 182.58.170.239 (talk) 12:31, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

You've had the answer explained to you, repeatedly. No, you can't use multiple accounts unless you declare the link between the accounts; yes, you can edit logged out if you have an account and you won't get in trouble if you sometimes forget or be too lazy to sign in some of the time, or may be unable to for technical reasons, and therefore make IP edits; no, you shouldn't do this routinely without good reason as unless you actually have a reason for using multiple identities it makes it harder for other editors to view your editing history, and consequently constitutes disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point. ‑ Iridescent 11:51, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

OK but I don't want to prove a point instead I'm saying can I actually edit with one account and consequently edit with my IP address without being disruptive as I'm always here to collaborate and seeing my edits isn't hard at all. Please say if I'm given the permit to work under two accounts or not, thanks. 182.58.170.239 (talk) 12:30, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Please help me over this! 182.58.170.239 (talk) 12:31, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Is that clear enough? David notMD (talk) 12:48, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

NO ―Abelmoschus Esculentus ^{talk / contribs} 12:54, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

seriously ........... 182.58.245.48 (talk) 17:20, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

I asked for help not repetitive no's seriously I'm having a seizure and was hesitant to post a reply .... 182.58.245.48 (talk) 17:28, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

First- as per decorum- please allow me to welcome you to the WP:Teahouse. I can appreciate your concern, it is quite understandable. I am not an expert on the security measures of Wikipedia, so I cannot address your question directly, nor do I wish to press you on why editing "anonymously" under an IP is a necessity for you. I can offer you a personal example where I myself in the past hesitated to enter a password on a strangers computer on various occasions while travelling... There are a variety of reasons, of course. I could also give examples where IP editors have made contributions to the project that I took the time to thank them for, and I invariably encourage them to establish a user account, and use it exclusively, when they have the abilty to log into WP in "safe and comfortable" circumstances. I encourage you to do the same here, in this space. Good luck, and happy editing! Hamster Sandwich (talk) 17:40, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

• When I was teaching in China, there were a few times I edited while logged out because the school's "security" software is regarded by all other countries as invasive malware (like hell were they getting my password). In my edit summaries, I identified myself by my account name, edited as though I was logged in, and avoided any situation where having a second account could be (dishonestly) advantageous. For example, I counted any reverts I made through that IP as reverts made under my own account for purposes of 3RR (not that it mattered because I didn't go near edit wars). Some other users create a second account for situations like these.

If, when editing from an IP, you identify yourself by your account's name and if you go on to make a log of the IPs you use on your user page, that will discourage (otherwise perfectly reasonable) concerns about sockpuppetry.

If you never connect your account with the IPs but your edits from when you're logged out do not overlap at all with those from your account, that will also further discourage (otherwise perfectly reasonable) concerns about sockpuppetry.

If you edit from an IP and from an account in the same article without connecting the two, there will be concerns that you're trying to appear to be two people, which gives you two voices, which is dishonest to the point of bad faith if issues of consensus comes up.

If you edit in the same area with an IP and an account but otherwise treat the two as one entity (e.g. you as a person never carry out more than 3 reverts in a 24 hour period, for example only doing one revert with the IP and two with the account) -- it's just going to be obvious that you're editing while logged out. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:51, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

 Comment: For me I'm losing the will to help you, you've not as far as I can see made a single edit outside of Teahouse, you're ignoring what we've said and are asking the same question multiple times, you've made a blatant attack against us in a edit description [1]. I've linked clearly to the policies and multiple users have explained them. Please don't make attacks against us but if you were having siezures then I hope you get better soon. Other than that, rant over, thanks RhinosF1 (talk) 18:25, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

(Clarifying, RhinosF1 is talking about the IP, not me). Ian.thomson (talk) 18:39, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, to confirm, I am referring to the IP. You seem to be a great help at Teahouse Ian RhinosF1 (talk) 18:44, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

I am sorry to read that you had a seizure. I hope you have recovered. My brother died from an epileptic seizure at age 34, so you have my sympathy. The answer is still "No" for multiple accounts. You appear to be editing articles as IP 182.58.206.149, starting earlier this month, and state on that Talk an intention to not register an account. That is your prerogative. You also declare that you will not sock puppet. Nice to read. Other editors choose to remain IPs and their edits are treated no differently from account editors. David notMD (talk) 19:52, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Nice to see what he's posted there, as long as he follows the rules (and based on that he doesn't want an account so that shouldn't be an issue) then there should be no issues. Sorry to hear about your brother @David notMD: RhinosF1 (talk) 20:01, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

OK I'm not making a attack or such I was terrified for that answer of so many no's so I just opined whether y'all are trolling or not... also I'm thorough with the rules already I think I can stick to one IP while editing different articles which are above my interests from my now new account (not to be disclosed obviously) and I too know that Checkuser's are'nt established for fishing purposes, so only strong evidences can pull this matter. Thanks for getting those rules and I'm sorry for your brother's loss @David notMD: I was near than terrified to see multilevel multiple no's pop-up on my screen so I was scared about that. I got some points (additional ones) and got to know about multiple accounts rule may be I'm underestimated over that so-called-attack but that was just a wondering opinion as to how you take it seriously no issues though. I'm good on my way and I'm going to create only one account. Because I know when time comes, it comes due.. no one can escape.. except honestly my accounts are just connected to one account and one IP. I just hope that I'm not caught in a sockpuppetry act and I'm not going to anyways. Because I'm now thoroughly known to the rules. Also the CheckUser might need evidence for suspected sockpuppetry he can't directly run a CheckUser on me unless it it looks like a duck quacks like a duck walks like a duck swims like a duck then it is a duck and for my case it is implausible as I work on two different streams (or article in different categories) to avoid confusion and questioning between two entities (or people) on same topics. I think it is best to restrict discussions in my IP account and move on with my newer account. Although it needs proofs to prove sockpuppetry I guarantee the proofs will be inconclusive and the case will be closed. My account will be present and I'll work through it to help other editors with discussions and of course a final agreement with which we all can agree upon. Again guys thanks a lot for this precious help I'll be more than happier to work through this community. And hope to avoid some unavoidable games here :) 182.58.245.48 (talk) 03:37, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Again, I hope you stick to your promise of not sockpuppeting but I recommend for the avoidance of doubt that you CLEARLY and UNAMBIGUOUSLY state on the user pages of both accounts that you have a legitimate alternative account (like I've done for my bot account). Saying, you were terrified of our response is ridiculous we were just getting frustrated, but you're edit description seems to me like an attack against us, accusing someone of being a troll is NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES just 'questioning'. Anyway, enjoy your editing. RhinosF1 (talk) 04:05, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

OK it isn't a attack I was having a seizure while watching so many no's come across my screen that seems to be ridiculous when asking for help... it's just your opinionated description.. not even correct I'm just saying "trolling" can be described under many circumstances like saying so many no's and following with a big no is to me a trolling behaviour if you're all frustrated... that's your job to keep yourselves calm and wait for the perfect moment to counter or such (as you did right now to defend yourself) I don't think it's adequate enough to reflect the frustration also I don't think you've taken it all correctly and only got dependent upon one word .. 'troll'.. you dropped other words... that is just biased in my humble opinion.. if you decide to help like that by repeating certain characters then best of luck... just found one flaw in Wikipedia... attacks may be defined in many ways and.my wordings are neutral to display the equivalent of frustration as I needed help... thanks for the help though and bye.. also don't comment more.. my questioning and comments were right and your approach as "blatant attack" was wrong ... seriously if you take this as an attack when someone has a n opportunity to give such a reply by giving so many no's is just not good.. thanks again I learned many things from here I also learned some people do come to defend themselves if their flaw is detected or determined instead just accreting it.. my god just too much... anyways thanks again guys I learned all the fundamentals and core principles of maintaining this vast encyclopedia will stay more like AFD CSD etc.. :) 182.58.245.48 (talk) 04:38, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Dear IP editor... I feel your frustration... I do. From firsthand experience. This Teahouse forum is supposed to be (and anyone please feel free to correct me if I am wrong) a polite, and welcoming place for editors to ask questions. Just as you have done. I do not understand either the frustration that certain editors have displayed here. As you say, there are fundamentals and core principles of the project, and so to are there very basic rules of engagement for the editors who choose to help here. They were, to my eye, largely ignored by the several of the "helpers" to engage you. They did try to help, in their way, but I felt- even though I am not equipped with ready answers to your questions- that I should attempt to engage you with a spirit of WP:AGF.

I am going to let you in on a little Wikipedia secret... Almost nothing that editors manage to do to it, cannot easily be undone. Some dink can come along and put some heinous words in an article, and you can be sure that within minutes it will be gone, editor blocked, maybe page protected and the whole thing put up for discussion at any number of notice boards.

I made a point of welcoming you, because the helpers to this page have essentially taken a vow of "politeness" and the expectation is that we should exercise extreme patience. And if we do not, part of our pledge is that we will accept the criticism where we have erred in that respect. For the interested editors who have commented here, in abrupt, rude and in a way which any other editor could see were nothing short of inflammatory. I am as impressed as this IP editor with the quality of your responses. Please rethink your commitments to this page if you cannot exercise an extreme measure of civility and polite discussion. Regards, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 04:57, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for replying IP, firstly, I am guessing the Barnstar is from you so thanks a lot, next, I can see that you didn't mean to come across as 'attacking' anyone in your edit summary. I know I got a bit frustrated and it may be better if we BOTH wait at bit and think before we speak as I've said before I hope you get better soon and the seizures stop. Enjoy editing, RhinosF1 (talk) 09:21, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Template question

Hello, are Templates case-sensitive? Julian Khachan (talk) 09:04, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

@Julian Khachan: As far as I'm aware all pages are case-sensitive excluding the first letter, I'll double check though now. RhinosF1 (talk) 09:38, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

WP:NCCAPS has more info RhinosF1 (talk) 09:42, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Everybody,

I have already done more than 1500 edits on Wikipedia English. Please tell me what facilities in Wikipedia is available to me and how I can improve my work. I appreciate that.Alex-h (talk) 09:13, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

I Have Reviewed your user groups. You can:

• Edit Pages protected as autoconfirmed (See Wikipedia:Protection policy for more details on protection)
• Edit pages that are Semiprotected
• Upload images
• Create Articles In Mainspace
• Move all pages except Files
• view the detail information in AbuseLog
• using the API
• View and edit your preferences and Watchlist
• Have one's own revisions automatically marked as "accepted"
• Move Pages that are Pending Changes Protected
• Overwrite Existing Files via the "Upload new Version" link
• Skip the CAPTCHA's
• Reset failed or transcoded videos so they are inserted into the job queue again

For The Full List for All user groups, See Special:UserGroupRights. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:52, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Here is added Maghfoor Ahmad Ajazi sister's husband name with brief details.

Dear Tea House Have a nice day

Once again Masroor Chaudhary is with you. As per your instruction, i am providing you reliable sources regarding edit to Maghfoor Ahmad Ajazi Page. I think that it will be enough for reference.

1. Bihar Vibhuti, Vol.3, Bihar Abhilekhagar-2014 2. Tarikh Ain e Tirhut by Munshi Bihari lal Fitrat-1883 3. Afkar e Milli New Delhi Spl. Bihar issue Page.254, July 2000 4. The Muslim Heroes of Bihar By Fakhruddin Ahmad, Page 34-36 - 2013

I think that with reference to the above sources, i can edit to Maghfur Ahmad Ajazi Page.

Best Regards,

Masroor Chaudhary — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masroor Chaudhary (talk • contribs) 09:57, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, Masroor Chaudhary, it does look as if one of those might do it. You only need one - I would choose one of the more recent ones. It would be really helpful to include the Publisher, and also the ISBN if the book has one. See Template:Cite book for the information you should provide. (You don't have to provide all those hundreds of parameters, of course, but author, title, publisher, year, language, and page is a pretty good set to aim for. You can insert the information and citation directly into the article (see WP:REFB), or ask at the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 10:49, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Page Creation

How do I create a page for my organization and also for the key personnel of the organization on Wikipedia? Here is the organization's name: Initiative for African Citizens. Secondly, can I make reference(s) from the organization's policy document and other documents of the organization?Stepheniyke (talk) 08:07, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Stepheniyke. Any article must summarize primarily what reliable independent sources say about the organization. Documents published by the group itself can be used only for basic uncontroversial facts but these sources do not count toward establishing notability, which is your first and most important task. Please read and study Your first article and if you have any personal connection with the group, study and comply with our conflict of interest guideline. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:17, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Stepheniyke I don't get any Google hits for "Initiative for African Citizens": If independent reliable sources have not given substantial coverage to a subject, an article is impossible. And even if an organization is notable enough for an article, often the key personnel are not separately notable. Also since as Cullen says Wikipedia is primarily interested in what third parties say about a subject, references to its policy document would probably not be useful in an article, but if independent reliable sources have discussed its policies, you could reference that discussion. —teb728 t c 10:54, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

How to add camouflage colors of a sports team

Hi,

First of all, I would like to thank everybody who helped in my previous question. I missed to acknowledge the first time I asked.

I'm trying to add the team colors of a Philippine basketball team AFP Cavaliers. Their jersey colors are camouflage and white, and I'm using Template:Color_box, but I don't know how to put the camouflage color because there is no other professional or amateur team I know that has a regular camouflage jersey. The sample can be found here: https://www.untvweb.com/news/game-2-ng-best-of-3-championship-match-ng-afp-cavaliers-at-pnp-responders-sa-untv-cup-season-4-ngayong-gabi-na/.

PS: They use camouflage jerseys because they are the team in the league that represents the military and has actual military personnel as players.

Thank you in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elivic (talk • contribs) 13:05, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

May I insert a picture taken from a referenced publication?

Please help: Is copyright applicable to a picture from a referenced publication? if not how should it be inserted? Mtl-371 (talk) 13:21, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

If the picture is copyright, then you should not insert it at all unless you can show WP:Fair use. Dbfirs 15:44, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi, fellow Wikipedians!

I'm here because I want to create a wiki page, and sadly, I think I should make it so you guys don't try and decline it.

I work hard on these sorts of pages - I get more upset every time you try and delete someone's hard work! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkJamesBF (talk • contribs) 16:10, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi @MarkJamesBF: While we welcome everyone to try to write pages, we do strongly discourage users from writing about themselves or anything they're affiliated with (click those links for more info). There's also the issue that we require topics to cite reliable sources that are independent of the topic but provide in-depth coverage of it. All it takes to make an article is to summarize, paraphrase, and cite at least three professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are specifically and primarily about the topic but not affiliated with nor dependent upon it -- that's it. I've left more detailed instructions on your talk page. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:14, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Ok, fine.

I'll just put my page in my userpage instead. That should stop ya from trying to delete it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkJamesBF (talk • contribs) 16:17, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

@MarkJamesBF: Actually, we do have a policy that Wikipedia is not a webhost, and that is one of the criteria for speedy deletion. You are allowed to work on an article draft there but if you're never going to do the one thing you need to do to make it an article (cite three independent reliable sources specifically about the topic), it's going to be deleted eventually. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:31, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Messages on my talk page

I was invited to the teahouse and I see it’s a place to ask questions, so I figured I would ask: who is leaving messages on my talk page and why do they have a problem with my contributions? I hope it’s not because I am a female editor... I’ve heard the culture in Wikipedia has had issues with being hostile to women before, but I hope that’s not the case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100D:B14B:B317:44A5:9C60:56C5:CBB3 (talk) 19:49, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse.

I'm not seeing any contributions within the past week on your range that resulted in a talk page message. If you register an account, you'll be better able to keep track of messages you've received (and you'll know they're for you and not someone else on your IP range).

Also, something to consider: before this post, what indication did anyone have as to your gender? Not saying that you should or should not identify yourself however much you're comfortable with, but just bear in mind that we only know as much about you as you reveal (and it's strictly against policy to try to reveal anything beyond that). If people aren't here to help, we try to get rid of them, so please try to assume non-malevolent intentions where possible. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:57, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Autobiogrophy

Hello, If I'm writing about myself, do I still need to include references? Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mona3003 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

@Mona3003: Yes. All information, especially in articles about living people, must cite professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources, and there must be at least three such sources that are specifically and primarily about the topic but not affiliated with nor dependent upon it. I'll leave more info on your user talk page.

Also, autobiographies are strongly discouraged for a variety of reasons, including our policies on conflicts of interest, Wikipedia not being a social media site, nor a webhost, nor a place to promote oneself or one's career. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:07, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Video game reception

I would like to ask why we use ‘generally favourable’ instead of ‘positive’ when commenting on reception. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NinetyNinja34 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, NinetyNinja34. I believe that "generally favourable" is a Metacritic classification - see Metacritic#Metascores - and articles about games/music/films often quote Metacritic's summary of the subject's critical reception. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:09, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi

Idk what I’m doing. Help me pls lol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NOIWONTNOMATTERWHAT (talk • contribs) 21:52, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi NOIWONTNOMATTERWHAT, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for removing your own "Pie" graffiti from the article. You may use the Wikipedia: Sandbox for test edits. You might like to try the Wikipedia:Adventure to learn about genuine editing of the encyclopaedia. Dbfirs 22:32, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Pictures

How can I add a picture of Arthur Morgan from google search results to his page — Preceding unsigned comment added by NinetyNinja34 (talk • contribs) 22:06, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

I would wait to see whether the article is going to be deleted before adding a picture, but, in general, copyright pictures must not be added except under the very restrictive WP:Fair use conditions. Dbfirs 22:35, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Help with article expansion

Hello. I recently created the article Claudia Lössl. I came here seeking help expanding it. It isn't a "stub", but if people with more experience than I could help, it would be greatly appreciated.

Lafayette Baguette (talk) 22:43, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

To add stories (novel) in language other than English.

Hi there,

Hope you are doing fine. I am a new user and like to be a regular contributor. for now, I wanna ask that if i could add short stories like novel etc. or book reviews in language other than English.

Regards: Fresh Contributor — Preceding unsigned comment added by SADIA RAHAT (talk • contribs) 23:47, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, SADIA RAHAT: welcome to the Teahouse, and to English Wikipedia. I'm not sure what you are asking, but I suspect the answer is No. The only content in a Wikipedia article should be summaries of what reliable published sources say about a subject, nothing else. We do not accept fiction, or book reviews, irrespective of the language. But we may in some cases accept an English summary of independent material that has been published about works of fiction; and this published material often includes book reviews. The subject matter (both the original fiction, and the articles or reviews concerning it) do not need to be in English, though there is a preference for English sources if they exist. If you are talking about writing in another language, then English Wikipedia will not accept it, but there are 200 Wikipedias in different languages: they differ to some degree in their rules and policies, but I would not expect that any of them accepted either original fiction or book reviews. --ColinFine (talk) 00:21, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

ok. Got it. Thank you very much!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SADIA RAHAT (talk • contribs) 00:31, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

How do I find someone to help debug a template?

Hi, how do I find some help with a template? The Template:Infobox French constituency has fields for 2 images, but only one is showing up --- see Drôme's 1st constituency for an example.

Thanks, Newystats (talk) 23:55, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Newystats. Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm no expert on Infobox templates, but I see two images in the article you link to. Looking at the template structure, it seems that Template:Infobox French constituency is intended to allow one image (image = ), with the other one being intended for a predefined map (map =). In the example you gave, the image used is this one, whilst the map is this one. Both show up in the article. I have tested that it is possible to insert a standard .jpg image, rather than a .svg image in the map field which appears OK in Preview mode, though I didn't want to actually publish my test. Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I don't see a problem; I see two map images. Could you be a little more specific in explaining the problem you have? Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:31, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

@Newystats: Having taken the time to reply to your question here, I subsequently noticed that you had also asked the identical thing on your talk page with a {{helpme}} template. In future, please don't ask the same question in two different fora. This wastes volunteer time, and causes frustration amongst helpers. Only if you don't receive a reply after a day or two is it OK to repeat the self-same question elsewhere. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:14, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Sorry. Newystats (talk) 02:16, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

User:Huon has changed image2 to map in the infobox Drôme's 1st constituency, so it now appears. It would be good if I could get the text in caption2 to appear, but the current state is an improvement anyway. Thanks! Newystats (talk) 02:14, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

I am getting lost in Wikipedia platform......

Hi all,

I need help. I don't understand how my talk page works.

At first, my article was rejected because it doesn't enough reference. I replied with few questions to the editor and got replied by a different person. Instead of replying back my questions, he expressed different issues of the article.

How to get around this.....

Please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabriela Angie Kenyatta (talk • contribs) 01:29, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

@Gabriela Angie Kenyatta: I've left instructions on your page that will avoid all the different problems that your previous draft had. All articles must cite reliable sources independent of the subject. Wikipedia is not for advertising or promotion. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:18, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I will look at your instruction clearly! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabriela Angie Kenyatta (talk • contribs) 02:38, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

How Can you do a Special signature?

Hello. I am a guy that does not have a special signature and wants one. How Can you do it? Acyclonxe (talk) 01:34, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Acyclonxe. Welcome to the Teahouse. I think you might find the information you need at either Wikipedia:Signatures or Wikipedia:Signature tutorial. If you do change your signature, please consider whether those with poor eyesight might struggle to view it. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:54, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I tried to change it but it doesn’t work. Please Help! Acyclonxe (talk) 03:26, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

@Acyclonxe: Have you checked the "Treat the above as wiki markup." option? ―Abelmoschus Esculentus ^{talk / contribs} 03:27, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Where? @Abelmoschus Esculentus:Acyclonxe (talk) 03:30, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Acyclonxe: I don't think I can, I'm afraid. I've never changed my signature, and don't really like many of the fancy formats that some users now like to use. I will have to leave it to another editor with more experience in this field to assist you. Not only that, it's way past my bedtime! Sorry. Re AE's comment - look in your 'Preferences'. Nick Moyes (talk) 03:32, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Right underneath the field that you edit your signature. When you open preferences, the first bold title should be the "Basic Information" one (within "User profile" tab). Scroll down until you can find the "Signature" section. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus ^{talk / contribs} 03:34, 30 December 2018 (UTC)