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Template:Infobox cooperative

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:46, 30 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox cooperative (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox company}}, once |members= is added to the latter. Keep as a redirect if the name is an issue. 190 transclusions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:35, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Interwiki translation templates

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The result of the discussion was delete those that are redundant to {{iw-ref}}, but keep {{iw-ref}} deprecated for now. Checking the transclusions, it appears these are being mistaken for language icons like {{de icon}}, so some hand conversions will be necessary. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:43, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:De (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:EsTrans (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Finnish (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:French Wikipedia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Frenchtrans (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Georgian (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:German (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Greektrans (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Hebrewtrans (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Italian (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:ITsource (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Lithuanian (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Nippon (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Polish (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Portuguese (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Russian (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Spanishtrans (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:SPATRAref (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:SPATRAsec (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Category:Interwiki translation templates (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

These have survived two TfDs ([1], [2]). It's time to either standardise them or delete them en-masse. I also note they were deprecated before the second TfD....wat. — Lfdder (talk) 14:22, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - These all seem to provide less functionality than {{Translation/Ref}}, which has 4802 transclusions and should be able to incorporate them all. Although some of these have few transclusions (ITsource:41, Hebrewtrans:6, Lithuanian:12, Portuguese:10, PtTrans:7, Georgian:0), several have much more (German:1085, Russian:608, Polish:401, Italian:339). A bot would be very helpful to standardise these. It's necessary to keep at least {{Translation/Ref}} which helps avoid copyright-violation problems. - tucoxn\talk 22:51, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, some of them survived a third TfD ([3]). - tucoxn\talk 22:53, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{Translation/Ref}} uses {{Iw-ref}}, which has apparently been deprecated in favour of 'edit summary attribution'. — Lfdder (talk) 09:58, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Understood. It shouldn't be too difficult to substitute the code from {{Iw-ref}} into {{Translation/Ref}}, in order to get rid of the former. 'Edit summary attribution' works a little when people actually use edit summaries. In the end, keeping one short line about the translation (using the Translation/Ref template) in the article seems like a sensible yet not cumbersome thing to do. - tucoxn\talk 11:54, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{Iw-ref}} is used a lot more than {{Translation/Ref}}. I would suggest to redirect {Translation/Ref} to {Iw-ref}, set up a bot to replace {{De}}, {{Greektrans}}, etc. in articles w/ {Iw-ref} and then delete all of them except {Iw-ref}, which will stay deprecated; a relic, if you will. — Lfdder (talk) 12:03, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been mentioned at Wikipedia talk:Pages needing translation into English. - tucoxn\talk 20:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand. What bilingual support? — Lfdder (talk) 11:30, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Gypsy

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The result of the discussion was merge/delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:03, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Gypsy (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Gypsy Rose Lee (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Gypsy with Template:Gypsy Rose Lee.
No need to have the two templates. One is sufficient. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 08:09, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Merge to Gypsy Rose Lee. The resulting template will not be too large, and a header can be made to distinguish the topics. Abductive (reasoning) 00:13, 30 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Gypsy Rose Lee - An example merged template looks like this. Readers interested in Gypsy Rose Lee likely would be interested in both the single work and in content associated with the author of that work. -- Jreferee (talk) 01:14, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move without redirect to a subpage (e.g. {{Gypsy Rose Lee/old}}) and then merge. I agree with the others that these are closely enough related that they might as well go together. That being said, "Template:Gypsy" is not appropriate to use in this way: anyone seeing it will expect it to deal with the Gypsies/the Roma people. Merging it from this title will force us to keep the history for copyright reasons, so we'd do much better to move the history somewhere else so that someone who goes to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Gypsy won't get a confusing redirect to the Gypsy Rose Lee template. Nyttend (talk) 00:04, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment after this is merged, there should be no redirect left at "Gypsy", since this isn't about gypsy. The edit history should be moved to some other name, per Nyttend. -- 70.24.244.158 (talk) 06:07, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:MOBA

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:46, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:MOBA (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unnecessary navbox; content is based on video game genre, which is already covered in the category listing. Fails purpose of navboxes. Soetermans. T / C 20:42, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • On a sidenote, I accidentally hit the edit button of the template instead of my message, and noticed this hidden note in the template: "The categorization is a little WP:OR, but it adds a little more value to the list.", which shows that it is an arbitrary list. --Soetermans. T / C 20:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    "The categorization is a little WP:OR, but it adds a little more value to the list." means that the two groupings are what are OR, not the articles listed in the template (which reflect the list at list of multiplayer online battle arena games per WP:WTAF). So far, I've not seen any edits made that attempt to change which articles are assigned to which groupings. Of course, what makes the template useful (per WP:CLN) are the groupings...
    Additionally, the genre isn't so large currently that I see a need to delete the template. Were it the case that the genre were to grow past even just 50 listed items (and I have admitted this fact on the template talk page), I would myself recommend the template for deletion. It was an experiment to see if it would stick. :) --Izno (talk) 23:57, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll argue to keep the template here, per the above, though I'm not (as the template creator) unexpectant that there might be a consensus to delete it. --Izno (talk) 23:57, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Questions: It would be fine to delete it if it has a lot of entries, so why not now? That is working on a reverse deadline. I still don't see what the point is in having a navbox, solely based upon a video game genre. Even for reader accessability, there would be a link to MOBA in the VG infobox, the article lead, probably in the gameplay section, and of course in the category listing. Concerning reader accessability, the split between classical and non-classical raises some question, and, like you said, is OR. I have not heard of the distinction (and in fact, it is not mentioned on the article multiplayer online battle arena), so let us assume the averager reader hasn't either. So what is the use of this template? --Soetermans. T / C 08:15, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Seconded. Delete as per questions raised by Soetermans. I have not seen the "classical" vs. "non-classical" distinction made before, and I doubt that it could be a useful categorization, even if further explicated? Seems arbitrary. * Ben 02:54, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete as before. The template is redundant to the list article and the category, which can be easily located same place at the bottom of the articles. Genres are by default incomplete lists and are well suited for categories, but not navboxes, in my opinion. We would really need it if the articles didn't fit nicely in a category, which they do. Finally, the games are only related by their genre, which is a very broad property, so reading other articles would very marginally increase one's understanding of other games. Hence, again I argue that category is a better fit. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 08:03, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - When this template was first created, I cautioned about the ambiguous necessity of such a box, considering that there is already a multiplayer online battle arena category. That being said, however, I will not push in either direction, as I have edited the template myself and would like to leave this judgment to a more neutral crowd. DarthBotto talk•cont 20:04, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox UK ward

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The result of the discussion was Merge into Template:infobox UK place, then Delete. -- Jreferee (talk) 11:05, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox UK ward (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
  • See previous deletion discussion here.

Redundant to {{infobox UK place}} (into which the three councillor parameters should be merged) as its own documentation acknowledges. Only 198 transclusions; a small fraction of the number of wards in the UK. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:15, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Northern Ireland district

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The result of the discussion was Merge into Template:infobox UK place, then Delete. -- Jreferee (talk) 01:19, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Northern Ireland district (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox settlement}}. Only 26 transclusions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:07, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox French commune

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The result of the discussion was convert to a wrapper of {{Infobox settlement}}. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:03, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox French commune (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to, or should be a wrapper of, {{Infobox settlement}}. Note that {{Infobox French arrondissement}} is already such a wrapper. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:55, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just remembering the Indian place infobox thing that's all which to my knowledge still hasn't been sorted in years, despite manual attempts to plough through them.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:58, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

About the second pushpin map: because of the collapsible drawer, I can only place it either in the footnotes or between the skyline image and the flag/coat of arms. It can be put below the French location map only in a non-collapsible format, but maybe a more experienced editor can find a way to make it work. Edit: actually I found some wikicode from Template:Infobox Town AT that does the trick, it's in the right place now. About the potential substitution: I would definitely substitute it for all the 200 or so overseas municipalities, so that new features specific to the territory can be added (such as the UTC offset, or a pushpin map, or an automatic ref link to the local statistical office), but I would keep it indefinitely for the rest of France.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 16:29, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Since the functions and the names of parameters will remain the same, the way editors use the template should not change, either.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 18:04, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, but the template does affect the other elements on the page. For example, the deletion tag makes some pages appear with a big blank spot because the sections after the the top one appear below the infobox. Ksnow (talk) 10:45, 20 August 2013 (UTC)Ksnow[reply]
  • Convert to wrapper. My compliments to User:Underlying lk for creating the wrapper in the sandbox, it looks nice! The only thing I would like to add is a filter for bad coordinates, populations etc. that puts articles in a maintenance category, like the present template does. Very useful for fighting vandalism. Markussep Talk 14:54, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I added the error-tracking categories to the sandbox version. I haven't tested them extensively yet, but they seem to work.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 19:18, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Markussep Talk 13:56, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox Falkland island

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The result of the discussion was Delete. -- Jreferee (talk) 01:11, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Falkland island (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox island}}, or possibly {{Infobox settlement}}. Just 52 transclusions, which is at or near the likely maximum. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:49, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Islamism in South Asia

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:48, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Islamism in South Asia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The template is POV creation including many non-related article links. While the main article of Islamism is drastically different from what this template is. Benfold (talk) 08:20, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Hindu Nationalism

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:47, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Hindu Nationalism (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The template is POV creation including many non-related article links. Some of those are included in it because the creator thinks they fall under "Hindu Nationalism" while the main article of Hindu nationalism is drastically different from what this template is. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 06:09, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You added this template on P.P. Pandey along with other categories. The subject article doesn't even say if he is Hindu or Nationalist; forget both. Are all entries similarly wrongly stuffed? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 06:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So, P.P. Pandey is not a Hindu not belong to the Hindu nationalist Govt. in Gujarat?--Benfold (talk) 07:59, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You will have to prove that he is a "Hindu" to call him a Hindu. You will have to prove that he is a "Hindu nationalist" to call him a Hindu nationalist. And do you mean Irfan Pathan is Hindu nationalist because he is from Gujarat? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 08:46, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:The Lodger

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The result of the discussion was delete, but make sure the links are listed in the article. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:44, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:The Lodger (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:CSD#T3. Template is redundant due to recent creation of Template:Jack the Ripper media. All the links here are included therein. Rob Sinden (talk) 09:34, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If they were likely to diverge in some way, I could see your point, but as {{The Lodger}} is unlikely to expand any further, and all the links are included at {{Jack the Ripper media}}, we're not talking about overlap, but the duplication of links every time {{The Lodger}} is used. This is the reason we have WP:CSD#T3. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:44, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete as redundant navigation, or merge in list-form with Marie Adelaide Belloc Lowndes. if someone is interested only in "The Lodger", he/she should read an article on the subject. the fact that the parent article is a redirect is some indication that this is not a strong enough of a grouping to require a separate navigation box. Frietjes (talk) 18:12, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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