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Template:Black Sabbath (album)

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

With only four links, this brings no additional benefit to navigation than what Template:Black Sabbath already does. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:32, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:GTMO-phone

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

One transclusion. Substitute and delete. Steel1943 (talk) 19:07, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Uyghur detainee

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Replaces article prose with a transcluded template. cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 16:24, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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National football team squad navboxes

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:58, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Long established consensus on WP:FOOTY and past TfD discussions (example here and here) to only have international squad navigational boxes for the men and women's: World Cup, Confederations Cup, Olympics and each continent's top level competition. None of these five tournament navboxes meet that criteria. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:DetroitMetroCensusPop

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:58, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No transclusions. Steel1943 (talk) 14:17, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Defunct Airlines of Russia

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Airlines of Russia. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:59, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Defunct Airlines of Russia with Template:Airlines of Russia.
Unnecessary duplication. Airlines of Russia template has a defunct section. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:12, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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GMA navboxes

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 23:00, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We do not need to use navboxes to list every single show that has ever been produced by a network. Connection between the series are generally tangential. We have {{GMA Network (current and upcoming original programming)}} for the current programming, and whilst that is also probably unnecessary, that should suffice. We don't have entire navboxes devoted to BBC drama series or ABC sitcoms, etc, etc. This can all be dealt with by categories and lists. --woodensuperman 14:05, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Artista Academy

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 23:01, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not enough relevant links to warrant a navbox --woodensuperman 14:04, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Fuji Television drama templates

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:22, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTTVGUIDE --woodensuperman 13:47, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Nippon TV Sui'yō Dorama

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:22, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTTVGUIDE --woodensuperman 13:41, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Nippon TV drama templates

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 23:00, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a navbox used for templates and has 3 links, with 1 of them not even using this template on its article page (as it isn't a template). 2 links don't really need a template and a "See also" can be enough. Gonnym (talk) 13:17, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:TheFinalBall

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:17, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Per a request at the Administrator's noticeboard here as the template is protected. Deletion of the source on which the template is based is at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/TheFinalBall. Black Kite (talk) 12:59, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: at least in the case of Portuguese (or Portugal-based sportspeople for a long period of time), it's quite informative. I do agree it's not to be used as a reference in an article (i.e. in body of text) as it is user-generated, but as a harmless external link it provides useful information.

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 13:32, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep: as an external link (it's main use on the pages) it is harmless and provides more information than most websites. There is a reason Quite A Character writes about the Portuguese reality, it's probably our main way of seeing the players clubs, stats and other informations. Only then we complete the info with references. Again, we use it as an external link, please consider keeping it. Blahhh23 (talk) 18:53, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per the logic and previous consensus to delete the Transfermarkt template. There is nothing wrong with editors using the site as a resource to generate background info on a player, but we don't actually need to link to it in order to do that. The presence of the link sends a signal that it's an acceptable reference. It isn't. Nzd (talk) 22:49, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Nzd. Not a reliable source. Does not warrant inclusion in such a regularised way. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:31, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Gives a misleading impression of official Wikipedia community support for links to an unreliable source. Guy (Help!) 12:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Finalball is a major source for Portuguese sports articles, and removing it is a nightmare to replace, if not impossible. I used it for it's intended porpouse, to reliably show the statistics of a player. I can't tell who inserts the stats, but the whole website is owned by ZOS,Lda, in Porto. They also provide news and bets. Knowing wikipedia, the decision is already made, and having two featured articles who rely on finalball for it's recent players stats, it's my problem to replace it per wp:burden. Just hope someday, other user generated stats sites used in featured articles like www.stretfordend.co.uk or www.lfchistory.net, will get the same destiny.--Threeohsix (talk) 10:11, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
ForaDeJogo is a decent alternative to zerozero. SLBedit (talk) 14:57, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
StretfordEnd is an official website. LFCHistory may or may not be considered a reliable source by the community (we can have that conversation elsewhere if you'd like), but I don't agree that it's user-generated in the same way that TFB/ZeroZero is. "I can't tell who inserts the stats" is the key point here. In testing, I was able to create an account, submit a data change without having to cite a source, and have that change accepted within around 20 minutes. Whether anything was done by TFB to verify my change before accepting it is unclear. This is what makes the site unreliable. Nzd (talk) 22:45, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:The Dream Makers

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:15, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Only three links. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 10:35, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Star Awards for Young Talent

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:15, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Only two recipients have articles. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 10:32, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Trolleybus systems

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 23:35, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First, this navbox is effectively redundant to Category:Trolleybus systems by city and Category:Defunct trolleybus systems by city (and to some degree List of trolleybus systems), thus violating the template namespace guideline that "Templates should not be used to create lists of links to other articles when a category, list page, or 'See also' section list can perform the same function." Second, the subject is too broad. As stated in the articles Trolleybus and Trolleybus usage by country (with references), there are approximately 300 existing trolleybus systems around the world, and more than 500 defunct systems have existed in the past. This template misleadingly lists only a fraction of the systems its title covers, but if it were to list all of them, more than 80% would be red links (the two categories mentioned above show that WP articles exist for about 150 of the 800 systems) – with the vast majority not likely ever to receive articles. Even among just the approx. 300 existing trolleybus systems, only around 80 have Wikipedia articles, a large number of which are stubs, mostly created in 2011 and never significantly expanded in the eight years since. Russia alone has around 85 existing systems, and almost none of them have Wikipedia articles. The template misleadingly lists only one Russian system (Moscow, and that single-sentence stub is not actually about the trolleybus system), but if it were to list the others, it would mean an additional 80+ red links in a template already replete with red links. SJ Morg (talk) 09:34, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I do not contest the criteria for deletion. Under the template namespace guideline cited above, the following templates are also effectively redundant and should be considered for deletion as well:
There may be others, but the three cited above were part of the reason that I believed this was a relatively uncontroversial addition. The Trolleybus systems template was created as a means to more quickly navigate between related articles. It is cumbersome to jump into the category or list article, then select a specific article covering a city, especially when the main list article has sub-main articles covering specific countries; however, as noted above, this template does not meet the criteria and I will not contest the request for deletion. Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 14:56, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Numtext

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Number to word. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 23:01, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Numtext with Template:Number to word.
They are completely redundant to each other. They do the same thing and use the same module and function! Template:Number to word should be kept due to the more descriptive name and higher usage (475 vs. 135). Could someone kindly tag the templates as I don't think I'm allowed to. – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 05:31, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or redirect Most of the Numtext usage is in old editions of WP:SIGNPOST. eg "Twenty-two featured articles were promoted." (compare: "Twenty-two featured articles were promoted." using Number to word). Redirect is less effort and probably effective. Nigej (talk) 09:08, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Younger

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:15, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not enough links; fails the WP:NENAN rule of thumb of five links. -- /Alex/21 03:13, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - An article Lizability has been created for episode 60 of Younger (TV series) (currently the last episode). The previous 59 episodes do not have articles. As such the template is useless. Nigej (talk) 08:44, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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