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Template:Trudeau sidebar

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:58, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per the arguments made by myself on the template talk page in August 2023, and by those who responded there. Renerpho (talk) 22:01, 26 July 2024 (UTC) [reply]

Copy of the relevant talk page section
== Do we need this? ==
What do we need this template for, if it's not used in the articles listed? For example, of the 13 articles listed under the 43rd and 44th Parliaments section, only two actually use the sidebar, and I am doubting either of the two actually should. I am asking because the sidebar has just been removed[1] from the 2023 Canadian wildfires article because it is giving WP:UNDUE weight to topic (with which I agree). Renerpho (talk) 03:34, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Would vote for deletion as a nav aid its a duplication or redundant to {{Justin Trudeau}}. American political articles have these spammed all over....we (Canada) only have two Template:Harper sidebar both made by a banned editor User:Charles lindberg. Link spam at its worst in my view and is discouraged by MOS:LEADELEMENTS ="The placement of a sidebar in the lead is generally discouraged" as talked about at November 2020 RfC. Have removed it many times from main Justin Trudeau page...mostly add by Charles sockpuppets...hes still with us but does not try this anymore.Moxy-  04:01, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am also wondering why we need this template. It seems tangentially related to many of the articles it appears on, and there is no clear indication why five politicians in the history of Canada and its provinces have one.
Adding it to some pages suggests that the article was written from a position biased towards or focused on Canada. For example, on the Canada–Philippines waste dispute article, the addition of this sidebar suggests that the dispute was caused by Trudeau. Without a corresponding sidebar for Duterte (which I'm not suggesting), the article does not appear neutral or international. This seems to occur in other articles on Canada's international relations.
On domestic affairs, the events listed on the template, such as the Nova Scotia shootings and the 2023 wildfires, are not always clearly related to government policies or to Trudeau himself. The sidebar does not appear (and should not appear) on those pages, but it is unclear why those pages are linked in the sidebar.
Similarly, there seems to be bias in the way that political events are dealt with. For example, no other sidebar has a separate section for scandals and controversies - those events are integrated into the list of events - but it appears on this sidebar. Without a clear framework for what types of events should be listed on sidebars and what shouldn't, which politicians should have one, and what pages they should be added to, political sidebars can too easily become partisan. Careless lemon (talk) 20:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Notifying Moxy and Careless lemon, who responded on the talk page in August 2023. Renerpho (talk) 22:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as stated in my comment above.... Redundant and unwanted by the project.Moxy🍁 22:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I would recommend removing unrelated entries. For instance, articles on Bill passed by the Canadian Parliament don't make explicit mention of Trudeau. Therefore, it would make those articles not relevant for the scope of navigation. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:04, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The problem we have with these extra repeated links (3x in most cases causing repeated links) is that it's frowned upon because most of these articles already have an information box and for accessibility concerns that the project takes seriously... MOS:LEAD...as outlined at the November 2020 RfC. Moxy🍁 23:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Ancient parishes of Northamptonshire

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2024 August 2. Izno (talk) 22:58, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Olympiacos F.C. 2023–24 UEFA Europa Conference League Winners

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 01:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Non-standard template for winning squad of relatively minor continental competition; does not appear on the pages of any of the players / coach involved Crowsus (talk) 19:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep It appears now on all the pages of the players and coaches involved. Relatively minor continental competiton? UEFA has three offical competitions and UEFA Europa Conference League is one of them. It's the first UEFA competition ever won by a Greek team and the template is absolutely of significant encyclopedic value. If somebody considers a UEFA competition "elatively minor" doesn't mean that the template should be deleted. Lynxavier (talk)
  • Delete Although I agree that this is not a minor competition, I still feel it is unnecessary. The implication of keeping this is that similar templates be created for all continental competition winners and I think that is overkill. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 11:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I agree with Stevie fae Scotland that this would lead to a slippery slope. Creating navboxes for club competition-winning squads is not a new debate, but with how many club competitions there are, this could lead to too many templates at the bottom of a footballer's page. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 12:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 12:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:FESPACO Best Sound Editing Prize

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 23:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only two links. No navigation. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:03, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:FESPACO Jury Prize

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 23:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only one link. No navigation. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:03, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:FESPACO Best Feature Documentary Prize

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 23:02, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only two links to films with the rest red. No navigation. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Canadian monarchs

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 01:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All links duplicated on Template:Canadian monarchy, which was in use on all these articles until it was changed to this one yesterday. DrKay (talk) 06:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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