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09:18:09, 6 September 2016 review of submission by Bec colman

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Hello, I recently submitted the page 'Steve Dub'. It was wrongfully rejected on the basis that Steve Dub is not a notable person as he is part of the band the Chemical Brothers and therefore the 3 x Grammy Awards (plus 2 extra nominations) that he has received are null and void. Steve Dub is NOT part of the the band The Chemical Brothers, neither does the article state that he is. Steve Dub is a record producer, engineer and mixer and has been awarded his Grammy's for his engineering work and mixing work on some of their albums. I have provided links to the Grammy Award official site where it states this is the case. It's quite frustrating that somebody can reject this when they clearly haven't understood or read the article properly.

Therefore I don't believe the article needs amending. Please let me know the best way to proceed.

Thank you Bec

Bec colman (talk) 09:18, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Bec colman: Your draft quite clearly states that Dub worked as the producer for the Chemical Brothers and the Grammy website gives the credit for all the awards and nominations to the band, Dubs, and other production staff collectively. Therefore although Dub may not technically be "a member of the band", WP:MUSIC's independent notability criteria still applies and the Grammy awards don't demonstrate his notability. If you want to proceed with the submission, you will have to provide links to significant coverage of Dub in independent sources. Although after some quick research my opinion is that Dub simply isn't notable enough for inclusion at this time. Joe Roe (talk) 12:19, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

09:46:59, 6 September 2016 review of submission by ChristinaAnneMackay

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I have referenced most things on my wiki page and the references are respected publications. Why is it still being rejected?

ChristinaAnneMackay (talk) 09:46, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, ChristinaAnneMackay. I assume you are talking about User:ChristinaAnneMackay/sandbox. The main problem is that (based on your surname) you appear to be related to Mackay so you should not really be writing a biography of him per Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy. The second is that your draft contains numerous phrases intended to promote Mackay (e.g. "has considerable international and financial services experience", "Tom worked with a lot of innovative software/internet companies", and the generally exhaustive listing of every single achievement he has made). The third is that it includes many details that can't possibly be verified in reliable sources, presumably because you know him personally (e.g. "During this period he took 9 months off to travel", "Enjoys walking in his beloved Toys Hill woods"). Wikipedia pages are not resumes, they're encyclopaedia articles. They need to neutrally and objectively summarise the major facts or a person's life and their contributions to the enduring historical record that have been previously published in reliable sources. Joe Roe (talk) 12:30, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 17:15:31, 6 September 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Meshellerenee

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Good morning,

I've submitted an article for creation and it was declined. I am not quite sure why, can you please help? Thank you!!

Meshellerenee (talk) 17:15, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Meshellerenee. The reviewer's comment (per WP:EL) was brief, but on point. The draft is misusing external links. They are not allowed in the body text. Something like "Some of the life experiences in Davis’s bio were the basis for her first published work, Harlot’s Sauce: A Memoir of Food, Family, Love, Loss, and Greece" would have to be rewritten as "Some of the life experiences in Davis's bio were the basis for her first published work, Harlot's Sauce: A Memoir of Food, Family, Love, Loss, and Greece. Entries like Cooking for Ghosts: Book I in The Secret Spice Café Trilogy (2016) in the list of books would have to be rewritten to not link to a commercial site: Cooking for Ghosts. The Secret Spice Cafe. Vol. Book I. HD Media Press. 2016. ISBN 978-0-9899056-4-0..
There are numerous other problems with the draft, but the biggest is that you are underestimating how difficult it is to satisfy Wikipedia's inclusion criteria, general notability and notability (authors). PRWeb is not independent; Mill Valley Patch and Book Reels are user-generated; Marin Independent Journal is by a lifestyle columnist, rather than a professional book reviewer; YaSas has none of the hallmarks of a reliable source; The Orange County Register is an interview; and California Arts Council and The Post News are trivial mentions. The only one that helps establish notability is the Marin Independent Journal, and it isn't nearly enough on its own. --Worldbruce (talk) 19:43, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

18:05:58, 6 September 2016 review of submission by 77.242.185.193

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Hi, I started created the article and before I send it for submission I'd like to understand what the process it to improve it/have it ready for review. I'm not an expert at Wikipedia so I was told by an admin to come here and follow the instructions. Thank you!

77.242.185.193 (talk) 18:05, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A previous article on this person was deleted after a deletion discussion. Your draft should not be accepted, in my opinion, unless you can show that it establishes notability better than the deleted version did. That would involve requesting that the deleted version be undeleted to user or draft space via a request for undeletion. I don't know whether an unregistered editor has a user space; it would be an excellent idea to establish an account. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:05, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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