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Support. This could even get nominated for Good Article status. --SpeedKing1980 16:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Too short, and dosn't even exist. Basicly these need to be writen not just improved ---- Xil...sist! 21:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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(possibly http://www.mfa.gov.lv/lv/Ministrija/vesture/4439/4446/ ?)
Maybe; see: http://www.lv.lv/index.php?menu_body=DOC&id=32701&menu_left=LAIDIENS&PHPSESSID=7d82f444214d94ced3226de5f31e3cZalktis 10:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! The link comes up broken for me, perhaps you could grab the text? Thanks, Chris 07:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There is a slight problem - the first link dosen't mention scouts, the one Zalktis provaided doesn't mention his name. Here's what it says about scouts: In 1918 outside of Latvia, in Vitebsk, colors of Latvian flag are found in flag of local boyscout troop "Imanta". This troop was established in 1917 by A.Arends on his initiative Fr. Kalniņš made the scout flag which had image St. George on blue field on one side and Latvian flag with full name of the troop on other side. Similary in mid 1918 in Samāra A.Bredermanis established Latvian scout troop, members of this troop wore oval ensign with colors of Latvian flag on left hand sleeve of uniform
In first link it says that in 1919 he joined troop Imanta, but it doesn't say that this troop was a sscout troop and he was born in 1900 (I somehow am under impression that scout troops are established by a bit older people and meant for a bit younger people). I don't think there is place called Samāra in Latvia, I think it's rather Samara, Russia (if so perhaps it's more accurate to say that he established Latvian not in Latvia) ---- Xil/talk 23:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You are right on both points, Xil: 1) Imantas pulks was a military formation during the Russian Civil War, not a scout troop. 2) The Latvian scout troop founded by Bredermanis in Samara, Russia (among Latvian refugees from the German occupation of the Baltics during WWI), as mentioned in the article I cited, was not the first ever Latvian scout troop. I'm also not sure that the Bredermanis who worked for the Foreign Ministry was the same one who helped found the Latvian Boy Scouts. A relative perhaps? Can someone check Konversācijas vārdnīca on Bredermanis and scouting? — Zalktis 06:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, then I definitely want to make the article factual and correct, even if I have to rewrite that section. The info in the article was on the Internet, and I had done a paper on Latvian Scouting in college 15 years ago, which likely has totally different info, but I can't find it, and if I could, how do I post it, as original research? It does have footnotes and all, but... Also, if anyone is in the NYC area, their public library has a 1920s Latvian Scout Handbook, that may have some info there, but they will not Interlibrary Loan it, I don't blame them. Chris 21:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Having consulted Latviešu skautisma četrdesmit gadi (1960), I am now sure that the scouting pioneer actually was the same person as the later Foreign Ministry official. — Zalktis 16:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And he established his troop in Riga, so it was the first troop founded in Latvia but was not the first troop with a majority of Latvian members. — Zalktis 16:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Created. —PētersV (talk) 21:19, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • From my readings, a central theme is European communism versus Bolshevik communism. The Latvian communist tradition grew from the European one. The Latvians mistook Bolshevism for communism, also taking promises of Latvian sovereignty at face value. As I recall. —  Pēters J. Vecrumba 22:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • As far as I know they sided with communist because they saw a hope for freedom in it, they fought against the Germans and believed that Ulmanis government was German puppet government. They were supported by general public and therefore they gained swift victory at first. But then they established communism which led to famine and Germans tried to throw down Ulmanis government. This showed that Ulmanis government wasn't German and communism was wrong and many riflemen deserted and/or joined Latvian army----Xil...sist! 23:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Dienas Lapa reads far too much like Soviet propaganda; no wonder since it is based entirely on the Soviet version from the BSE. During Tsarist times even "bourgeois" (i.e. liberal) ideas were "progressive". Furthermore, the newspaper was never exclusively Marxist in its orientation, even under Stučka's editorship. —Zalktis (talk) 05:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kārlis Ulmanis - I just noticed that User:OzzieBender has recently expanded it (Diff), it appears that there is some POV (e.g. "his personality cult [..] tended to the nauseous") and some facts that might not be accurate (e.g. "“enemies” of Ulmanis’ rule and were herded into a concentration camp")---- Xil/talk 02:56, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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'I agree, but think it should go much further: the article is such a mess, it should be deleted because it creates much confusion (not just between Latvian Neopaganism and Folklore, but by borrowing from other mythologies without proper citations). It is beyond simple review and needs a suitable authority to rewrite it from scratch. --The Lesser Merlin (talk) 09:11, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]