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State of the monthly lists (updated)

Reposting and updating since the previous one was archived. wxtrackercody (talk · contributions) 03:41, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

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United States 2024 List of United States tornadoes in August 2024 -  Half done – Current month. List of United States tornadoes from June to July 2024 -  Half done - The reports have not been released for June yet List of United States tornadoes in May 2024 -  Half done - All the reports have not been added/not released yet List of United States tornadoes in April 2024 -  Half done - All the reports have not been added/not released yet List of United States tornadoes from January to March 2024 -  Half done - All the reports have not been added/not released yet 2023 List of United States tornadoes from September to December 2023 -  Half done - Some of the tornadoes do not have NCEI reports List of United States tornadoes from July to August 2023 -  Half done - Some of the tornadoes do not have NCEI reports; sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; two refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes in June 2023 -  Half done - Some of the tornadoes do not have NCEI reports; sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; five refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from April to May 2023 -  Not done - Some of the tornadoes do not have NCEI reports; sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized; some refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes in March 2023 -  Not done - Many of the tornadoes do not have NCEI reports; sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized; four refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from January to February 2023 -  Half done - Some of the tornadoes do not have NCEI reports; sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized 2022 List of United States tornadoes from November to December 2022 -  Not done - Some of the tornadoes do not have NCEI reports; tables need to be modernized; four refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from July to October 2022 -  Not done - Sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized; dozens of refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from May to June 2022 -  Not done - One tornado does not have an NCEI report; sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized; many of the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed; the article has a "factual accuracy is disputed" tag List of United States tornadoes in April 2022 -  Not done - Sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from January to March 2022 -  Half done - Sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized 2021 List of United States tornadoes in December 2021 -  Not done - One tornado does not have a NCEI report; tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from October to November 2021 -  Not done - Lead needs revamping; sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from July to September 2021 -  Not done - Sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from April to June 2021 -  Not done - Sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from January to March 2021 -  Not done - Sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed Based on the activity levels of each month, I suggest the list articles be January-April, May, June-July, August-September, October-November, and December. ChessEric 00:20, 20 April 2024 (UTC) 2020 List of United States tornadoes from October to December 2020 -  Not done - Sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from August to September 2020 -  Not done - Lead needs revamping; sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized; many of the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from May to July 2020 -  Not done - Sources need to be checked for uniformity on format (Two tornadoes are sourced by a storm chasing video); tables need to be modernized; many of the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes in April 2020 -  Not done - Sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized; many of the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from January to March 2020 -  Not done - Sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized; some of the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed 2019 List of United States tornadoes from November to December 2019 -  Half done - Tables need to be modernized; some of the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from September to October 2019 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from June to August 2019 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed I suggest that August be moved out of this list article and into the September to October list article due to how active June and July were. ChessEric 00:20, 20 April 2024 (UTC) List of United States tornadoes in May 2019 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; there is still a discrepancy with how many tornadoes occurred during the Tornado outbreak sequence of May 2019; refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes in April 2019 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from January to March 2019 -  Not done - Lead needed; some of the tornadoes do not have NCEI reports; tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed 2018 List of United States tornadoes from November to December 2018 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from August to October 2018 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from June to July 2018 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes in May 2018 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes in April 2018 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed I suggest that April and May be combined into one list article due to these months not being active enough to have their own list articles. ChessEric 00:20, 20 April 2024 (UTC) List of United States tornadoes from January to March 2018 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed 2017 List of United States tornadoes from November to December 2017 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from August to October 2017 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from June to July 2017 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes in May 2017 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes in April 2017 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from January to March 2017 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed I suggest that March be split away into its own list article due to the varying but still high activity of January, February, and March. ChessEric 00:20, 20 April 2024 (UTC) 2016 List of United States tornadoes from September to December 2016 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from June to August 2016 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from April to May 2016 -  Half done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized List of United States tornadoes from January to March 2016-  Not done - Tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed 2015 List of United States tornadoes from November to December 2015 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from September to October 2015 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from June to August 2015 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed I suggest that July and August be split away into their own list article due to how active June was. ChessEric 00:20, 20 April 2024 (UTC) List of United States tornadoes in May 2015 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; almost all the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes in April 2015 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from January to March 2015 -  Half done - Tables need to be modernized 2014 List of United States tornadoes from October to December 2014 -  Half done - Tables need to be modernized List of United States tornadoes from August to September 2014 -  Half done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; most of the August 31 refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from June to July 2014 -  Half done - Lead needed; sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized I suggest that July be moved out of this list article and into the August to September list article due to how active June was. ChessEric 00:20, 20 April 2024 (UTC) List of United States tornadoes from April to May 2014 -  Not done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized; many refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from January to March 2014 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized; NCEI reports need to be added for January 11; many refs are showing errors that need to be fixed 2013 List of United States tornadoes from November to December 2013 -  Half done - Tables need to be modernized; 2 refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from August to October 2013 -  Half done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized List of United States tornadoes from June to July 2013 -  Half done - Lead needed; sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized List of United States tornadoes in May 2013 -  Half done - Lead needed; sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; tables need to be modernized List of United States tornadoes from March to April 2013 -  Half done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized List of United States tornadoes from January to February 2013 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized; refs are showing errors that need to be fixed 2012 List of United States tornadoes from October to December 2012 -  Half done - Lead needed; tables need to be modernized List of United States tornadoes from July to September 2012 -  Not done - Old table format, including tables that were previously modernized along with the September 1 event (Western United States) section, which is oddly not in any kind of table format; NCEI reports not linked except for the 2012 Hurricane Isaac tornado outbreak List of United States tornadoes from May to June 2012 -  Not done - Mostly the same, including the previously modernized May 3 and May 9; the 2012 Tropical Storm Debby tornado outbreak was modernized but all the refs now have the errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes in April 2012 -  Not done - Same, including both outbreak articles that were previously modernized List of United States tornadoes in March 2012 -  Not done - Same, including the previously modernized Tornado outbreak of March 2–3, 2012 and March 15 List of United States tornadoes from January to February 2012 -  Not done - Same 2011 List of United States tornadoes from November to December 2011 -  Done List of United States tornadoes from September to October 2011 -  Not done - Old table format, albeit with all big/bold removed, NCEI reports not linked; October 2010 North American storm complex tornado count contradicts the count listed on the main page List of United States tornadoes from July to August 2011 -  Not done - Old table format, albeit with all big/bold removed; NCEI reports not linked List of United States tornadoes in June 2011 -  Half done – Not all the tornadoes have NCEI links Being done by USM. ChessEric 23:06, 6 July 2023 (UTC) The Tornado outbreak of June 18–22, 2011 chart is being converted on the list page, so the transclusion has not been done yet. ChessEric 22:48, 29 February 2024 (UTC) List of United States tornadoes in May 2011 -  Half done - an updated NCEI report is needed for a Tennessee tornado on May 26 that was upgraded from EF0 to EF1 in a 2021 reanalysis List of United States tornadoes in April 2011 -  Half done - individual NCEI reports are needed for April 4-5 List of United States tornadoes from January to March 2011 -  Not done - Old table format, NCEI reports not linked excluding the 2010 New Year's Eve tornado outbreak, which still needs individual NCEI reports and a modernization of its table formats 2010 List of United States tornadoes from November to December 2010 -  Half done - Lead needed; individual NCEI reports are needed for the 2010 New Year's Eve tornado outbreak; two refs have errors that need to be fixed; table format needs to modernize again List of United States tornadoes in October 2010 -  Not done - Old table format, NCEI reports not linked except for October 6, which still needs converted tables to be modernized again as well as its ref errors and uniformity fixed List of United States tornadoes from August to September 2010 -  Not done - Old table format, NCEI reports not linked List of United States tornadoes in July 2010 -  Not done - Same List of United States tornadoes in June 2010 -  Not done - Lead needed; most of the page uses the old table format with NCEI reports not linked; converted tables still need their formats to be modernized again List of United States tornadoes in May 2010 -  Half done - Lead needed; table format needs to modernize again; individual NCEI reports are needed for May 1 List of United States tornadoes in April 2010 -  Half done - Lead needed; table format needs to modernize again List of United States tornadoes from January to March 2010 -  Half done - Lead needed; table format needs to modernize again 2009 List of United States tornadoes from November to December 2009 -  Half done - Table format needs to modernize again List of United States tornadoes from September to October 2009 -  Not done - Old table format, NCEI reports not linked List of United States tornadoes from July to August 2009 -  Not done - Same List of United States tornadoes in June 2009 -  Not done - Same List of United States tornadoes in May 2009 -  Not done - Same List of United States tornadoes in April 2009 -  Not done - Same List of United States tornadoes from January to March 2009 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized, including some that still use the original format, and lead needed; not all NCEI reports are linked and some refs that are there are showing errors that need to be fixed 2008 No lists for June to December 2008 excluding outbreak articles -  Not done List of United States tornadoes in May 2008 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized, including some that still use the original format, and lead needed; refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from March to April 2008 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized again and lead needed; refs are showing errors that need to be fixed List of United States tornadoes from January to February 2008 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized again and lead needed; refs are showing errors that need to be fixed 2007 List of United States tornadoes from October to December 2007 -  Half done - Lead needed; table format needs to be modernized again List of United States tornadoes from August to September 2007 -  Half done - Lead needed; not all tornadoes have descriptions; the Puerto Rico tornado from August 6 is not there; table format needs to be modernized again List of United States tornadoes from June to July 2007 -  Half done - Lead needed; not all tornadoes have descriptions; table format needs to be modernized again List of United States tornadoes in May 2007 -  Half done - Lead needed; not all tornadoes have descriptions; the tables from the List of tornadoes in the tornado outbreak of May 4–6, 2007 article have been modernized, but the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed; all the other tables need their format to be modernized again List of United States tornadoes in April 2007 -  Half done - Lead needed; not all tornadoes have descriptions; source saying that the Piedras Negras tornado and the Eagle Pass tornado were one event needs to be checked; table format needs to be modernized again List of United States tornadoes in March 2007 -  Half done - Lead needed; sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; table format needs to be modernized again List of United States tornadoes from January to February 2007 -  Half done - Lead needed; sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; table format needs to be modernized again No lists from 2001 to 2006, excluding outbreak articles. 2000 No lists for March to December 2000 -  Not done List of United States tornadoes from January to February 2000 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized and some of the summaries and locations need to be redone; refs are showing errors that need to be fixed No lists from 1991 to 1999, excluding outbreak articles. 1990 No lists for April to December 1990 -  Not done List of United States tornadoes from January to March 1990 -  Not done - Many tornadoes are not listed; some of the tables that are there use a mixture of the old and previous modernization formats and need to be modernized again; sources need to be checked for uniformity on format No lists from 1984 to 1989, excluding outbreak articles. 1983 No lists for March to December 1983 -  Not done List of United States tornadoes from January to February 1983 -  Not done - Many tornadoes are not listed CapeVerdeWave is revamping the tables to focus more on Grazulis data instead of the mistake-filled NCEI data. It does not appear that they will still use NCEI reports as refs. ChessEric 00:53, 20 April 2024 (UTC) 1982 No lists for April to December 1982 -  Not done List of United States tornadoes from January to March 1982 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized again; NCEI reports not linked No lists from 1974 to 1981, excluding outbreak articles. 1973 No lists for April to December 1973 -  Not done List of United States tornadoes in March 1973 -  Not done - Old table format; NCEI reports not linked List of United States tornadoes from January to February 1973 -  Not done - Same No lists from 1955 to 1972, excluding outbreak articles. 1954 List of United States tornadoes from April to June 1954 -  Not done - This was added by CapeVerdeWave; lots of data still missing I plan to expand it so that there are two lists articles for all the tornadoes from that year. ChessEric (talk · contribs) 21:34, 5 February 2023 (UTC) No lists for 1953, excluding outbreak articles. 1952 List of United States tornadoes in 1952 -  Not done - Some data has been added, but many tornadoes are still missing; tables need to be modernized CapeVerdeWave is revamping the tables to focus more on Grazulis data instead of the mistake-filled NCEI data. It does not appear that they will still use NCEI reports as refs. ChessEric 00:53, 20 April 2024 (UTC) 1951 List of United States tornadoes in 1951 -  Not done - Some data has been added, but many tornadoes are still missing; tables need to be modernized again; sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; almost half of the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed 1950 List of United States tornadoes in 1950 -  Not done - Most of the tables need to be modernized; not all tornadoes have descriptions or NCEI reports; sources need to be checked for uniformity on format; some of the refs are showing errors that need to be fixed CapeVerdeWave is revamping the tables to focus more on Grazulis data instead of the mistake-filled NCEI data. It does not appear that they will still use NCEI reports as refs. ChessEric 00:53, 20 April 2024 (UTC) No lists from 1947 to 1949, excluding outbreak articles. 1946 List of United States tornadoes in 1946 -  Done Canada No lists for 2024, excluding outbreak articles. 2023 List of Canadian tornadoes in 2023 -  Not done - Number on main page does not match the list page; revamp of sources needed No lists from 1946 to 2022, excluding outbreak articles and the List of Canadian tornadoes and tornado outbreaks and its sub articles. Europe 2024 List of European tornadoes in 2024 -  Half done - Current year No list for 2023. 2022 List of European tornadoes in 2022 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized and more information and refs are also needed. Not all the tornadoes are listed as well. No lists from 2015 to 2021, excluding outbreak articles. 2014 List of European tornadoes in 2014 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized and more information and refs are also needed. There is no info past August 3 as well. 2013 List of European tornadoes in 2013 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized and more information and refs are also needed. Excluding June 19, there is no info past May as well. 2012 List of European tornadoes in 2012 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized and more information and refs are also needed. 2011 List of European tornadoes in 2011 -  Not done - Tables need to be modernized and more information and refs are also needed. 2010 List of European tornadoes in 2010 -  Not done - Much of the article is just bullet points; tables that are there need to be modernized. More information and refs are also needed. No lists from 1946 to 2009, excluding outbreak articles and the List of European tornadoes and tornado outbreaks and its sub articles.

@Wxtrackercody, ChessEric, and Mjeims: I think these lists could all use good lead sections to provide a sort of summary of the month/months instead of just the one or two liners we usually have. A 2008 list doesn't even have any lead. I'm currently working on 2011, so I will try to write good sections for those lists. United States Man (talk) 04:47, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

@United States Man: Gladly. But what do you mean by a "lead"? All articles listed here have a short description describing that the article lists the list of tornadoes in a certain kind of month/multiple month period. I guess I understand for the older years, like the 1950's, where a yearly description could be useful, but in the others, other than reformatting to omit the "Ref" column, I don't know what else can be done. Mjeims (talk) 13:10, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

@Mjeims: United States Man is not talking about the short description template; he's talking about making a lead that describes the events that occurred in the months that list article includes. For example, the format I use modern list articles is to say what the page is, put the average number of tornadoes for each given month, describe the tornado activity for the given months, and mention whether or not it was above or below average. It will be tough to do these for the years prior to the 1990s (which is the cutoff we use when it comes to the most accurate number of tornadoes), but I think it can be done. ChessEric (talk · contribs) 14:48, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:December 2021 Midwest derecho and tornado outbreak#Requested move 23 May 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:December 2021 Midwest derecho and tornado outbreak#Requested move 23 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Reformatting Canadian tornadoes (both articles)

Hello all, I've never posted here before, but I just wanted to run this past everyone on the WikiProject because I know this is hardly the highest thing on the to-do list. I've been looking into both articles on Canadian tornadoes (before 2001 and after 2001) and for some reason, the current formatting just appears very sloppy to me and I think it could easily be cleaned up. My primary suggestion for change in each article would be to change the current list of tornadoes to a table, possibly within their own section by century or even by decades, if needed depending on the number.

(For example, pre-1700-1860 doesn't have many tornadoes at all and could reasonably fit onto one table without being overloaded, whereas 1870-1890 the number of tornadoes recorded greatly increases.)

I have a whole table planned out in my head about this, but I don't want to overshare everything unless other people think this is a good idea. Thanks! Garriefisher (talk) 22:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi there, welcome! You're right that things seem disorganized. We have:

• List of Canadian tornadoes and tornado outbreaks (before 2001)
• List of Canadian tornadoes and tornado outbreaks (since 2001)
• List of fatal and violent Canadian tornadoes
• List of tornadoes by province (Canada)

So yea, it seems like there's some overlap. The US has tornadoes mostly on a monthly basis, and has lists for each state. The US lists do use tables, even going back to List of United States tornadoes in 1946. I'll note that there is a discussion to split off Canadian tornadoes for the 2020s. So I support that, and encourage further splitting by decade where necessary. As for whether it should be organized by table or not. As it stands, it seems that most tornadoes are single events, and not part of large outbreaks, so I don't know about organizing the content into tables. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your response! Honestly, I thought that categorizing the lists (based on province, fatalities, F or EF rating mostly) would make it easier for readers & users of Wikipedia to be able to easily navigate a huge list of information that might not be as easy to parse through. It might just be my personal aesthetics and inability to concentrate, but I think that it would make it easier to pick out the information specifically that you're looking for.

Also, yes, I commented on the split for 2020s a month or more ago (honestly cannot remember when) and while I support that, I think I phrased my original comment incorrectly. I don't mean to separate the tornadoes into separate articles by decade, I just mean (in the case that we were using a table), separate tables under decade headers to make it easier to navigate as well. I don't know if I'm making any sense here but I just mean, keeping the 1700-2001 article intact, with tables under decade categories on the article itself. Hopefully that clears it up? Garriefisher (talk) 23:04, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Yea, you're making sense. I agree with a header to navigate, but does it have to be a table, or would a link to each year work? The latter option would be easier, and easy options tend to happen on Wikipedia. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:09, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

No, it for certain doesn't have to be a table! Just that it's my own personal preference aesthetics-wise, while it's not easier. I mean, I don't mind creating the table even if it is harder, I'm autistic like I have the time, believe me. But if you think it isn't a good idea, I totally respect that as well! Garriefisher (talk) 23:12, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Hah nice, then let me direct you to List of Australia tornadoes, which has just the type of table you're talking about. If you'd like to try it out, maybe do the events since 2020, since that's where the proposed new list would start. You can always make a sandbox by calling the article Draft:List of Canadian tornadoes and tornado outbreaks in the 2020s, or something like that. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:18, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2013 Washington, Illinois tornado#Requested move 20 August 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2013 Washington, Illinois tornado#Requested move 20 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)