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RFC: Should we delete all userboxes relating to topics covered by discretionary sanctions?

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Consensus is against this proposal. (non-admin closure) Egsan Bacon (talk) 16:58, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

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Any topics covered by discretionary sanctions are usually divisive enough to invite vandalism. With that in mind, aren't all discretionary sanction topics divisive enough to be deleted? ☢️Plutonical☢️ᶜᵒᵐᵐᵘⁿᶦᶜᵃᵗᶦᵒⁿˢ 12:40, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Plutonical, can you give some examples of the sorts of things that you're thinking of? Not to choose a particularly thorny example, but it's what first came to mind: Arab–Israeli conflict articles are subject to discretionary sanction, so would you say that pro-Palestine or pro-Israel userboxes should be deleted? —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 13:15, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

@Tcr25: I wouldn't say userboxes relating to Israel or Palestine on their own should be deleted, but userboxes promoting an opinion on one's relations with the other (e.g. "Israel should annex Palestine" or "Free Palestine") are absolutely divisive. Same goes for Post-1992 Politics of the US. It is impossible to hold an opinion on any political figure without divided responses. Same thing also goes for COVID, as some people believe the government has gone too far in its response, while others believe it hasn't gone far enough. Overall, I just think that by default, these topics fall under the divisive category, and should be able to be deleted without prejudice. ☢️Plutonical☢️ᶜᵒᵐᵐᵘⁿᶦᶜᵃᵗᶦᵒⁿˢ 13:24, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Plutonical, two thoughts... First, I'd worry about how to draw a clear line as to what's promoting an opinion vs. being divisive. We already have some clear content restrictions on userboxes (WP:UBCR) and limit some sorts of userboxes to user namespace. If we're banning "divisive" out of hand, the caution at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Politics would imply that none of the political userboxes should survive such a ban. Second, sometimes the userboxes a person chooses to display can offer insight into their biases, which can be relevant when judging controversial edits. I think you need to have a more tightly defined proposal for what I think you're suggesting to be workable. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 13:39, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

@Tcr25: Arbcom draws the line for us. As for the userboxes as Userboxes/Politics, most of them would survive such a ban on account of not being directly related to the Arbcom-sanctioned "Post-1992 US Politics" topic, as many of them cover a broad range. Most of them are opinions of politics worldwide, or opinions of politics which are applied to all ranges of time, and not just the post-1992 period. Those that are probably deserve to be stricken down (I mean, have you seen the amount of Trump userboxes? I don't like the guy either, but how is all of this cruft allowed, when all it's going to do is alienate conservative editors and futher imply some sort of bias?). ☢️Plutonical☢️ᶜᵒᵐᵐᵘⁿᶦᶜᵃᵗᶦᵒⁿˢ 14:33, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Plutonical (talk · contribs), if it violates WP:UP#NOT, then that guideline should be enforced, and such userboxes have to be within user namespace, so that should be a cue that it's personal bias, not a project bias. Maybe require such userboxes to be in a personal user namespace and not User:UBX would be a reasonable requirement, but I'm not convinced a broad ban based on "divisive" is workable. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 14:53, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

• Absolutely not Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions is very wide reaching, for example I see nothing at all wrong with {{User WikiProject COVID-19}} - even though "all edits about" covid is a DS. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:48, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
• (summoned by the bot) I think a restriction this broad is not reasonable unless we want to more or less prohibit userboxes altogether (which we could consider – some sister projects effectively do this – but I doubt it would get consensus here). I dislike controversial userboxes too, and I'm open to putting some kind of limits on them, but I think this proposal is too broad to be feasible. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 18:49, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
• No. Come on. Among other things, this would require deleting all user-boxes related to sexuality and gender. Is the intent here that {{user male}} and {{user female}} be deleted? What about {{user LGBT}} or {{user Transsexual}}? I am not seeing any actual evidence that these templates are actually inviting vandalism as is claimed, so this seems like a solution looking for a problem; but even if there were, in many cases vandalism related to them would be people trying to prevent such userboxes from being displayed, so using that vandalism as a justification to forbid them would just be giving the vandals what they want and would encourage more such vandalism in the future for anything else vandals want to see forbidden. Would we also remove {{User from Palestine}} or {{User from Israel}}? Note that while you might say "ah, well, those are not political" there are plenty of people in (most of) those cases who would disagree, ie. people who will argue that trans identities or the Palestinian people do not exist or are at least contested and that declaring one is therefore a political act. --Aquillion (talk) 23:58, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

--SirSharp (talk) 16:37, 22 October 2022 (UTC)would like a tag that supports the right to innovate with out violation

I noticed that for this page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ActuallyNeverHappened02/UBX/AHK),

The guy put multiple user boxes on one page and used code to allow the user to specify which one instead of making multiple pages. Is it better to do that, or is it okay to make a page for each userbox? Which is more preferable?

Fearless lede'r (talk) 23:18, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Plural of 'Userbox'

Hey folks. I didn't know where to put this, so I decided that the village pump would be the best idea. I have seen some userpages referring to the plural of userbox as 'Userboxes'. However, I have also seen some userpages referring to the plural as 'Userboxen'. Which one is correct? Are both correct? Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:36, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

@Fakescientist8000 I can't see any reason this needs a formal RFC. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:47, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

This has to be a joke, right? And since it's not 1 April, let's not disrupt the RfC boards, especially as you didn't provide an RfC category and so threw a big red error message, quite apart from the fact that your RfC totally lacked any statement or timestamp, and so failed WP:RFCST in more ways than one. Don't waste our time. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:40, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

I thought I knew what I was doing until I really didn't

So I was trying to make a userbox like

Template:User from Latin America

But I was only able to get this far user:jmjosh90/sandbox/userbox/missionary I thought I had filled in the right things for the option to work, then when I moved the page, everything fell apart. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Jmjosh90 (talk) 05:04, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Where?

Where would this be categorised?Crystalpalace6810 (talk) 10:06, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

History of the userbox

Hi everyone, I'm doing a Signpost article on userboxes (User:Urban_Versis_32/sandbox/Signpost/1). I need some help with the History of the userbox segment, so if anyone is familiar on userboxes, information would be greatly appreciated (Please reply below). Also, I'm open to accuracy-checking on the article if anyone wants to do so (It's nice to have a fresh eye sometimes). Urban Versis 32^KB ⚡ ^{(talk / contribs)} 18:28, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Look in to Wikipedia:Userbox migration; Wikipedia:May Userbox policy poll and its talk; "The German Solution" ended up being one of the main compromises to end the Great Userbox War (circa 2006). — xaosflux ^Talk 18:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll add that to the history! Urban Versis 32^KB ⚡ ^{(talk / contribs)} 18:59, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Which section of Wikipedia:Userboxes/Expertise...

Would {{User stat}} fall under? This one is about sports statistics, and I don't even know it's under "humanities" or "social sciences". This template is currently unused. 137a (talk) 16:31, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Please help: My user page is not using latest version of my userbox

My user page (at User:OneSkyWalker) is not displaying the latest version of my Userbox (at User:OneSkyWalker/Userboxes/LikesUserboxes). Please let me know what I need to change so that my user page displays the most recent version of my userbox. OneSkyWalker (talk) 19:52, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Hmmm, never mind. I edited my user page to point to User:UBX/Medieval spherical earth size rather than User:UBX/Medieval spherical earth and my user page began displaying the latest version of User:OneSkyWalker/Userboxes/LikesUserboxes. 🙄

Having looked into this a little further, I am guessing that a Wikipedia:Purge might have helped? I am not certain what page needs to be purged, but I am guessing that the userbox needs to be purged rather than the page on which the userbox is published?

OneSkyWalker (talk) 20:10, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Need help with creating a userbox

I want to make a userbox. I have created an image for it, and I've read the pages here on creating one, but none of the templates show how you insert an image into it. I know I would have to upload the image to Wikimedia, but what is the code to have in the userbox to put in the link? Also, do I have to shrink the image down to the 45px high or just have a link and it will resize how it appears?

The instructions for creating a userbox are very confusing, but I want to learn how. Can someone give me step-by-step instructions? I want a standard size userbox with an image on the left, and the words "This user enjoys..." followed by my hobby. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer! nycdi (talk) 23:51, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Nycdi: I created the basics for you at your subpage User:Nycdi/userboxcreate. I put notes in that describe what you need to add, all you need to do is replace them with the content you desire. Let me know if you have any more questions. ––FormalDude (talk) 23:58, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

New request for help: I have been following the instructions to create a number of userboxes down the right hand side of my Userpage. I have inserted the Userboxtop then tried putting in a userbox template beneath it. I have done this in both Visual editor and Source. The problem is that the userboxtop seems to take all the existing content on my user page and include it in its template so there is now a new "frame" around my text on the userpage and the heading Userbox top is at the top, centred. Also, when I insert a user box underneath, it does not justify to the right margin but sits on the left. The instructions to insert userboxes do not seem to suit my userpage. It may be because there are a lot of tables on my userpage? Maybe the cursor needs to be in a certain place? Can an experienced editor who uses userboxes please start the userbox list going for me on my userpage by adding in userboxtop then one or two of the stats boxes on right side to get me started? I would like to have Active edits and Active articles on english wikipedia to start then I will look at how it was done and continue to add userboxes myself. See Wikipedia:Userboxes/Wikipedia/Stats and tools/edit count. LPascal (talk) 02:12, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Looking at your user page history, it seems like you forgot to put {{userboxbottom}} at the end of the list. If you don't include it, it breaks the {{userboxtop}} format. I have taken the liberty of implementing the templates on your user page using the {{User active}} userbox and the {{User active edits}} userbox that you put previously. To add more userboxes, just insert them in new lines between the {{userboxtop}} and {{userboxbottom}} templates. -- KomradeKalashnikov (talk) 02:30, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Problem

My user page got corrupted automatically, and I don't understand why. JacktheBrown (talk) 22:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Design: How to construct the box

This is just to answer questions if anyone has any about the revisions I just posted for the table of Userbox parameters. Mainly cleaned up some inconsistency in the old version, and I made an effort to ensure that it was clear which values were unit-less and which ones required a CSS length suffix. I also added some examples, to hopefully make some of it more clear.

To sum up on something that I found fairly confusing, namely, which must be unit-less (bare number) and what must have a unit (i.e px):

• Font-size and border-width (border-s, id-s, info-s) must be a unitless number with no suffix like 'px'.
• Cell padding (id-p) must use a CSS length value, and can not be unit-less.
• Line-height (id-lh, info-lh) can and should be unit-less, but optionally it can use a unitized value like 14px.
• I only listed HEX and Named Colors, I wasn't sure what other color methods are supported.

Cheers  Myndex talk   07:10, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Improved instruction for making a user box list and how to automatically update my stats count

I previously asked a question about creating userboxes and was helped by another editor. Thank you. I have since shown another editor how to address the same problem I had. The problem originated with our reading of the instructions here which implies that that an editor first places the Usertboxtop at beginning then the userboxes then finally the Userboxbottom. Trying to place the Userbox bottom last after the other boxes results in the userboxes going all over the place on the userpage. I spent hours trying to fix this. You have to place the user boxtop first then place the userboxbottom immediately below it then go into edit again and place the userboxes in between the top and bottom templates. May I edit the instructions to make that clearer or should someone else do that?

Using the Userboxtop template[edit]

As with the Babel box, there is a box to group userboxes together. Just make a list of userboxes with {{Userboxtop|box-name}} at the top, followed by your list of userboxes, and {{Userboxbottom}} at the bottom.

My second question is about transferring stats from my global account log to my user boxes. I have userbox for number of articles created and number of edits made but I find I have to manually update these. Is there any way of linking these stats to my global account log so they update automatically? LPascal (talk) 02:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk page centralization

Should Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Userboxes and this page be merged? Sdkb ^talk 18:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Weak oppose: discussion about the project page itself might still need to be discussed on its talk page. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 21:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

If the talk pages are kept separate, there needs to be clear (and concise) instruction at the top of both of them delineating which discussions should go where. Right now, the other page has This is the talk page for discussing WikiProject Userboxes and anything related to its purposes and tasks, which directly overlaps with what I'd assume would be discussed here, and the banners at the top of this page include a bunch of junk like a userbox advertising the ability to watch this page. Sdkb ^talk 21:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)