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Add Betty White

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Has long career. Recently died. Interstellarity (talk) 23:47, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

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1. Support [nom]
2. Support Dimadick (talk) 21:25, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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1. Oppose Many other television people are at similar level of importance. Not comparable to Lucille Ball. --Thi (talk) 15:00, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
2. Oppose I'm a big fan of Betty White but agree with Thi. Gizza (talk • voy) 01:02, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

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Add Lewis Hine

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Helped bring first child labor laws to America. Interstellarity (talk) 13:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

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1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
2. Support Dimadick (talk) 21:26, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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1. Opppose Not sufficiently well known and global presence. scope_creep^Talk 12:57, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
2. Opppose Per above. Good entry, but not absolutely essential. --Thi (talk) 13:33, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

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Add Taebaek Mountains

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Taebaek Mountains being the main mountain range of Korean peninsula most likely warrant its inclusion.C933103 (talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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Add Sichuan Basin

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The area where the Chinese Sichuan province and Chongqing locates, historically developed the Bashu culture.C933103 (talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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Add Central Mountain Range

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The main mountain range of Taiwan island, also help disrupting the path of every typhoon heading to the area, and is also rich in natural resources, perceived as holy by aboriginal residents.C933103 (talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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Add Japanese Alps

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The key mountain ranges that situate between Eastern and Western JapanC933103 (talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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Add Kinmen

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The island have consistently be at the front of conflict between Taiwan and PRCC933103 (talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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Swap: remove Guangxi, add Lingnan

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Lingnan, being one of the historical cultural region of China, is probably more important than Guangxi as a province delimited along the current lines.C933103 (talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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1. Oppose Lingnan covers the modern Chinese subdivisions of Guangdong, Guangxi, Hainan, Hong Kong, and Macau, which are all listed separately at this level. Guangxi is home to the Zhuangs, the largest minority ethnicity of China. --Thi (talk) 13:12, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

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Swap: remove Jiangsu, add Jiangnan

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Jiangnan, being one of the key historical cultural region of China, is probably more important than Jianhsu, which lack importance in my opinion.C933103 (talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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Swap: remove Henan, add Zhongyuan

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Zhongyuan, the historical region in China that mark is now seen as the origin of Chinese civilization, appears more remarkable than the modern day Henan province over the area.C933103 (talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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1. Oppose Henan is important area due to its history, demographics and economy. Zhongyuan is historical name. --Thi (talk) 13:16, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Modern day Chinese government is still naming the area around Henan as Zhongyuan economic zone. C933103 (talk) 21:14, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

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Swap: remove Hebei, add Qinling–Huaihe Line

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Qinling-Huaihe Line, as the line that separate Northern China from Southern China, seems more important than Hebei which no longer includes Beijing nor Tianjin in the province.C933103 (talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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Add Hexi Corridor

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This corridor have been key in Chinese history in helping the central government of successive dynasties to control modern day Xijiang and Tibet area, or if they fallen out of control of those dynasties, then would be a corridor to allow foreign invasion into China Mainland, hence I think it is historically significant enough to worth having in the list.C933103 (talk) 04:02, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

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Add Hetao

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This area is a traditionally more resource-rich area along Yellow River and have been basis of some premodern civilizations or nomad tribes, some of which have interacted with Mainland China in non-peaceful means and gave great impact to the historical course of development of China. C933103 (talk) 04:02, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

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Add Heihe–Tengchong Line

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The line coarsely separate China into two half, one half is heavily populated Han-majority area (Although also including also Manchuria and Yunnan-Guizhou Plateau as well as ethnic Zhang area), and another half is sparsely populated ethnic minority area. This line help gain fundamental understanding of Chinese demography nowadays.C933103 (talk) 04:02, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

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Add Niigata Prefecture

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Historically the most populous prefecture in Japan, the most significant Sea of Japan side Japanese region, and well-known for rice production in Japan.C933103 (talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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Add Yap State, Chuuk State, Pohnpei State, Kosrae State, Gilbert Islands, Phoenix Islands, Line Islands

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The Federation of Micronesia and Kiribati are both geographically vast and culturally diverse countries, hence it would make sense to include their subdivisions to represent people from each of these sub-regions.C933103 (talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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Add Northeastern United States

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The Southern, Western, and Midwestern regions are all Level 4, which makes Northeastern the only major region of the US relegated to Level 5. There are even subregions within the Northeast that are listed at Level 4, but not the region itself. DarkMode3 (talk) 16:44, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

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1. Oppose. This same nomination failed last month, and I see nothing in this nomination that has changed my opinion on what I said in that previous nomination. Rreagan007 (talk) 02:54, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

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Remove National Museum of China

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I don't see the value of this as Level 4 vital article especially when National Palace Museum is already there. C933103 (talk) 07:16, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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1. Support as nom C933103 (talk) 07:16, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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1. This venue must be kept, since it is currently the largest (in area) museum on earth and one of the museums that host the largest collections of Chinese antiques.--RekishiEJ (talk) 08:51, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

   I don't think "largest in area" mean anything when it come to museum? As it is the collections that matter. As for collection of Chinese antiques, it share the same role with the Palace Museum. C933103 (talk) 21:55, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

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Swap: Remove Chinese New Year, add Lunar New Year

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Chinese New Year is just a subset of similar new year festivals being celebrated across the entire East Asia region. C933103 (talk) 21:24, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

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Remove cult of personality or social research, add political bias

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Redundant. Vascu (talk) 20:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

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add yemen, delete Vietnam war

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Vietnam is preceded per Nasser intervention in the middle east country and if the neotrumpism is back, the business back as usual. Meridadotropico (talk) 03:22, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

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Add Nitrous oxide

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Only major greenhouse gas not listed at this level. It also has many practical uses. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:54, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

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1. Support as nom. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:54, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
2. Support --Thi (talk) 19:04, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
3. Support per nom. Gizza (talk • voy) 10:25, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
4. --RekishiEJ (talk) 09:45, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
5. Support per nom. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 21:14, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

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Add Kotlin (programming language)

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1. As nom. Because it is the preferred language for writing Android apps by Google, it should be vital at this level.--RekishiEJ (talk) 15:10, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

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1. Oppose We removed several programming languages a while back, we already list Android and Google, and we also list other Operating systems that use it such as Linux and Windows etc. I think some of the programming languages we already removed may be more notable, we already dedicate a large part of he overall list to this area, and I think there higher priority things in the area missing.  Carlwev  17:52, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
2. Oppose Carlwev said it well. --Thi (talk) 10:09, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
3. Oppose per above. Gizza (talk • voy) 23:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
4. Oppose per Carlwev. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:44, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

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add yemen, delete Vietnam war

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Vietnam is preceded per Nasser intervention in the middle east country and if the neotrumpism is back, the business back as usual. Meridadotropico (talk) 03:22, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

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Discuss — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meridadotropico (talk • contribs) 03:51, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

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Transylvania

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More pictures please 100.42.254.195 (talk) 00:17, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

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Redactle - game based on Vital articles/Level/4

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More pictures please 100.42.254.195 (talk) 00:17, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

• https://www.redactle.com/

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/redactle-is-like-wordle-crossed-with-wikipedia-and-im-hooked

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Remove Sydney Barnes

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Obscure cricketer; (has almost zero pageviews in anything other than English). Fast bowlers don't need a rep, Cricket itself covers that as a level 4 article. William G. Morgan seems to be consensus obscure. (per comments who have cited this); yet Morgan gets more views in Indonesian alone than Barnes in total. Probably one of the weakest articles we list. Compare Morgan and Barnes worldwide. [1] Morgan wins. Bradman, Tendulkar, Richards, Grace and Sobers are enough for Cricket. Why do we specifically need representation for fast bowling when we don't need to represent sports which are in the olympics and are viewed over 70 million times on this site alone? Seems ultra specific.

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1. Support as nom. GuzzyG (talk) 10:29, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
2. Support per nom. --Thi (talk) 10:54, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
3. Support let's get rid of this glut of sports biographies Zelkia1101 (talk) 18:27, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
4. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 19:09, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
5. Support SnowFire (talk) 06:42, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

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Just as a add on; 10 pin bowler Dick Weber was seen as too obscure for the 15k list; yet he gets nearly 30k more views than Barnes. [2] 168k compared to 192k for Weber. [3]; despite Cricket supposedly being the second largest sports; compared to volleyball or bowling which are supposedly obscure. I know Cricket is popular in Aus, the UK and India (all related to the commonwealth) and volleyball in places like Brazil with Brazilian Volleyball Super League (Men) and Giba and Indonesia with Proliga (Indonesia) or China with Lang Ping and big movies like Leap (film); so there may be a difference in perception and thus this athletes list massively favours sports big in Anglo countries; but we should be consistent with who is obscure - especially if by every metric they are smaller than people who are consensus seen as obscure here. GuzzyG (talk) 11:21, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

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Remove Fertility rite

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Too many Philosophy and religion articles. This is a subset of ritual.

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1. Per nom. starship.paint (exalt) 14:41, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
2. Support per nom. --Thi (talk) 15:15, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
3. Support  Carlwev  09:13, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
4. Support. Not vital at this level. Rreagan007 (talk) 02:41, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

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Add Popular science

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Important thing in teaching scientific literacy.

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1. Support as nom. --Thi (talk) 10:59, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
2. Support Dimadick (talk) 10:44, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

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1. Oppose The list now feature 8 magazines, two of which are already popular level of science related publication from the United States. I don't think we need a third on the list out of its current size. C933103 (talk) 19:56, 3 March 2022 (UTC) Noted error in voting and retracted the vote. C933103 (talk) 05:29, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
   1. Popular Science is a magazine, popular science is genre. Science communication is another option. --Thi (talk) 20:57, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

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@Thi:This article is currently included in the society and social sciences subpage of the level 5 list, rather than the basics and measurement one, thus you should put your proposal in the mass media sub-section rather than here in this talk page.--RekishiEJ (talk) 08:53, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

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