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Savers>Data Squad

We need to move all the Savers stuff to Data Squad. This includes Agumon (Savers), List of Digimon Savers minor characters(which should be renamed to "List of characters in Digimon Data Squad", with the main ones given the "main" link, like other character lists are done), List of Digimon Savers episodes, and Template:Digimon savers (though that would be more anal retentive than necessary).KrytenKoro 20:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I did some of it, and while I was at it, I moved all the character lists to more appropriate titles. Agumon (Savers) still needs to be done - in fact, most "Character" Digimon articles would probably benefit from being renamed to Digimon (Series). That would definitely help people looking for that article.KrytenKoro 21:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Tamer and Partner

Since there are very few instances where a tamer and their partner would not have the same plot summary, can we merge them? Because, besides the plot summary, there is the general "this is a fictional character, and only one member of a species", the unnecessary "appearance", since they all have a picture, and the overlapping plot summaries for her other forms (which isn't even comprehensive), and sometimes a bit of description that works better on the lists, such as the meaning of the Digimon's name, or what its species is generally like. I think that with some work, we could nicely merge the plot sections into one comprehensive one for each pair, clip species info from the evolutions, and thus shorten the "other forms" bit to name, attacks, and anything that makes them different personality-wise (possibly ability-wise, if it's not common to the species) from their other forms - like Lillymon being called "pretty" by Mimi, or something.

Of course, while the Digimon plot bits will be easily merged, combining the tamer and partner will be harder work, so I will try to do one of these in my sandbox, and I'll put it up for show when I'm done. If anyone else would like to try either doing their own, or helping with mine, feel free. (I'll edit this comment once I have the sandboxed article started).KrytenKoro 05:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I completely forgot that I said I would do this - sorry to anyone who was waiting for me to put the link up. Also, since classes are starting soon, I probably won't actually be able to do this anytime soon.KrytenKoro 06:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use + lists

The split lists, say, List of Champion Digimon (Part 4) - do they have a problem? The images used are (most likely) all fair use. But we shouldn't have too many fair use images on a page (see WP:NFC#Policy, 3a), nor are the images actually highlighting "List of Champion Digimon" - they aren't reflecting the article. So I was just wondering, should these images be... Removed? x42bn6 Talk Mess 10:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I believe not as the are used for identification of seperate entitys. Trainra 06:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Category:Redirects from Digimon

What pages get added to this category? Those that have been merged to the masterlists or not? Trainra 10:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Special Moves and Normal Techniques

DVR sorts all attacks into these two categories - I don't know what they're sources are, but every attack I've read so far seems legitimate, and there is definitely a pattern. Should we also organize as such? I tried to do so for the Paladin Mode section - please check it to see what it looks like.

PS - we should really put more non-plot info in there for Paladin Mode (not that it has any, but it shouldn't, anyway). For example, that it founded the royal knights.KrytenKoro 16:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I apologise for my edit on Imperialdramon Paladin Mode earlier, I was completely unaware of this. I don't quite understand why some attacks would be called a move while others a technique. o_O However I do believe this format would be similiar to whats used in professional wrestling where a wrestler would have Signature Moves and Finishing Moves [1]. The only problem I have with this is of course the names, I'd rather we go with Special Attacks and Normal Attacks, or something similiar, as long as they match. Nightmare SE 02:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

That's fine, I was just going by the literal translations.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 16:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Deva translations

Jadenik asked me to translate the DVR profile for Chatsuramon, and I went ahead and translated all the Devas. The result is available here. I am not quite done, however - there is a few places where I'm sure it's some kind of idiom ("Six dying stars", for example), so I'm having one of my Japanese friends check it for me. I'll add a notice here when it's done.

Since this is all info for the generic character, not the anime one, it probably shouldn't be on the Devas article unless that article is retooled to be their group throughout the franchise, not just Tamers (maybe have a section on the generic Deva, and then the plot and character of that Deva in Tamers, like how we do the rest of the lists). However, the various attacks should still be applicable to the Devas article, and the sections in their entirety should be able to replace those on the Ultimate Lists.KrytenKoro 18:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

"Natural Lines"

It has just come to my attention that user AndyRos92 has made two Digimon articles, Veemon Natural Line and Wormmon Natural Line, not only are these "Natural Lines" incorrect but these articles have no business on wikipedia, I suggest we either redirect (to Veemon and Wormmon respectively) or get them deleted. Nightmare SE 21:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah - I keep reverting (and explaining why) the JewelBeemon and AeroVeedramon stuff he adds to the lists, but he doesn't get the message. Since it really isn't vandalism, so much as just not understanding the project's guidelines, it would probably be best to just leave a message on his talk page explaining the "verifiability" bit, and maybe leaving some links to the real true lines - like this.KrytenKoro 21:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

But yeah, deletion seems best, as just searching "Veemon" would get you what you're looking for.KrytenKoro 21:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Could someone (other than myself) delete them? I'd rather not do it myself... ... Nightmare SE 03:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Are there any other admin's here?KrytenKoro 04:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

None of the speedy delete criteria apply. You can PROD, but they will probably contest it. AfD it, and it might be hurried through. But you shouldn't just delete a page unless it meets a speedy criteria, as one editor obviously thinks the content has value. The editor should at least have a chance to defend it, even if it is a snowball's. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 04:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, it is completely OR, as there's really no such thing as a "natural line" in Digimon - there's a "commonly seen line", but even the main tamers (well, especially the main tamers) had variations to their "lines".

Plus, it's almost a direct cut-paste of the Veemon and Wormmon pages, except for the modified digivolutions, which are cut-pastes from their place on the respective lists.KrytenKoro 06:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, the aforementioned verifiability (AeroVeedramon is just...completely wrong. Every acceptable source has XVmon>Piledramon and Vdramon>AeroVdramon), which also combines with the fact that he's mixing info from a cartoon character (Veemon from 02 only) with his own conjectures.

I think that's pretty much all the problems with it - since it's a cut-paste, the individual sections hold up (just not together), so it's mainly the fact that the article exists that makes it invalid.KrytenKoro 06:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

No seriously, somebody (preferably somebody with some authority, and who isn't a rude jackass like me) leave him a message on his talk page explaining that the individual articles are for the characters, not fan-characters or fan-creations or whatever it is he made, and he'll probably remove it himself, with no need for conflict on our part.KrytenKoro 06:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I just added the last of these pages for deletion, but I don't know how to make a category for deletion. Trainra 06:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Episode Lists

New to the project, but I noticed particularly that the episode lists, (Frontier mainly) are a little grammar-lacking. So I'm going to try and redo them as summarily but accurately as possible. This is what they are now:

"The gang head to the Rose Morning Star to free Ophanimon but when they get there two Phantomon wait for them but Koichi destroys them when they enter the castle a Oryxmon leads them to where Ophanimon is kept and she tells the story of how Cherubimon became tainted. Cherubimon turns up and destroys Oryxmon and the gang get ready for one of the biggest battles yet."

But it obviously needs to be reworded. Ad@maniac 12:28, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Transwiki

Oh boy. A lot of work will need to be done simply for giving proper notice to this in the first place, but to get right to the point: We're moving the bulk of Digimon related content off of Wikipedia. Even though we put a huge amount of effort into the article merging, most of this information is still seen as excessive fictional detail. Anime/manga and game related pages will likely be untouched for the time being, but the Lists of ____ Digimon will be moved to another wiki.

Before anyone gets upset: On this new wiki, we'll basically have full control. We'll cross link between Wikipedia and the new wiki, so people who come to Wikipedia to find the information will still find the articles, just as easily too. Anything that is being moved from Wikipedia will be actually moved, meaning it will exist just as it did here, with a page history, all the templates, and so on. Nothing will be deleted, and all the work we did will be preserved. If we want, we can re-expand all the articles, and give more detail. We can pretty much do whatever we want, as long as it's legal. Digimon editors will be at the controls.

At the same time we'll maintain our anime/manga/game/ etc articles here on Wikipedia. These articles can cross over, copy each other, and move back and forth. Meaning, something might move to this new wiki, and then move right back. This wasn't an option when most of the Digimon articles were created, but now it is.

Right now only two of our lists are on AfD: List of Rookie Digimon (Part 1) and List of Rookie Digimon (Part 2), both listed under Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Rookie Digimon (Part 1), but this is the likely future for these list articles. -- Ned Scott 08:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I picked a bad time to be in Year 10. I'm afraid I don't understand whats happening. What is wrong with the lists. They were moved into them in the first place to comply with wiki standards. I did a lot of work on these lists, and I don't see why they are going. What's the difference between the Digimon lists and the Pokemon lists? Just because Pokemon has a supposedly larger fan base means it can keep its lists and we can't. Please explain to me what we did wrong. Trainra 11:52, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

It means the amount of detail we're going into is still too much (and it could be the same for Pokemon, I'm not sure), and we lack real-world content in these articles. Nothing's going to happen over night, so don't worry, we'll discuss this and try to find the best possible solution. Much of this info might stay on Wikipedia, and maybe it just needs cleaned up. Much of it might be transwikied, and we might have very little left on Wikipedia. What we know is that something needs to be done, and whatever is done we will give all information a home, and nothing will be deleted or wasted. We should really be thinking of this as another re-organization, but in one that effects where these articles live. Technically speaking, we can make it so that the reader barely even notices the difference, easily moving between Wikipedia and another Digimon-wiki, which wasn't an option in the past. -- Ned Scott 07:23, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

And just what Digimon wiki do you intend to move it to? —Typhlosion 17:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• For the record, I've closed the AfD as Keep, since Transwiki is a pure editorial decision. - Penwhale | ^{Blast him / Follow his steps} 02:07, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I believe the issue was brought up regarding an incorrect fair use claim at WP:AN/I which led to the AfD. x42bn6 Talk Mess 08:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, found it Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive298#List of Rookie Digimon (Part 2). And I'd have to say I agree in regards to our need to cut down on the non-free images. -- Ned Scott 07:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I have to admit that I'm the one they were talking about about making those reversions. however, I did it because, as I understand it, policy allows fair-use pictures if they are necessary to explain a concept to the reader, and the various species are fairly hard, if not impossible to explain with words alone. I also asked for a specific policy it was violating, as none of the images (except the screenshot images, which the admins mysteriously decided to replace some of the images with) are actually from anything Bandai or Toie is trying to sell - they are promotional art. Unfortunately, neither of the admins ever explained which policy was being violated, and I never even knew that there was still a problem until the AfD came up. (Which somewhat annoys me, since it is kind of rude to take something to the notice board without even notifying the person you are debating with).KrytenKoro 07:59, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

That shouldn't have happened like that, but I wouldn't take it personally. From the edit history, you were making a clear good faith effort to comply with the policy, and many of the images that were removed are borderline in my mind (I can see it going either way). -- Ned Scott 08:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

List of characters in Digimon Adventure

Now that the reorg is complete, we need to do massive cleanup/trimming, as well as filling in missing sections, like the CD characters, or other Allies like Meramon and Frigimon.

This should be a semi-high priority, since its one of the few articles we're probably going to keep on Wikipedia.

We also need to make sure there is at most one picture per form of a character - Wizardmon shouldn't have had 3 pics, for example. The least copyrighted pics are the white background ones we like to use anyway, so let's try to replace other pics with those.

Thanks for your support, and for your help!KrytenKoro 05:35, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

What's next

I've been trying to think of some kind of game plan since the AfD on the two lists of Digimon, and the suggestion to transwiki. I was thinking of starting some kind of request for comment and trying to get more people from WP:ANIME to get involved as well. We should take a look at all our articles, including the list ones, and figure out how much of Digimon do we want to cover on Wikipedia itself. In the very least we will list all of their names, and it's possible we'll even keep some form of very short summary for each (maybe). Once we know this, we'll know what needs to be moved to an external wiki, and we'll have a much clearer picture of what to do. -- Ned Scott 04:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Here's an easy one (at least in my mind), no more of "you can see Tentomon in level 5 of Digimon World". Unless that Digimon played a major part in the story driving the game (such as Millenniummon), don't even bother mentioning them on Wikipedia. It's a realllly minor detail, and makes it seem game-guide-ish. -- Ned Scott 02:44, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

However, that would mean that half of all Digimon don't even get mentions, and in any case, any character who was prominent is (or should be) on the character lists already.

Really, all we need to stay on Wikipedia is the character lists and the complete List. Everything else works better on the wikia.KrytenKoro 02:52, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm.. yeah, I'd have to agree with that. A good point. -- Ned Scott 03:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

As much as I hate it, this will most probably happen. What do you mean by the complete lists? Also, what wikia are we talking about? This will have to be decided amoung us as well it seems, all the other major contributers have gone missing.Trainra 09:55, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Not lists, List. The big one, that's just names.

As for the Wikia - Personally, I'd pick [digimon.wikia.org] if only because it's formatting is closer to what we are doing, where as Wikimon seems to be more card-based (well, Megchan based) - for example, if we moved to wikimon, most of the work we've done on verifying evolutions would have been wasted. Plus, Wikimon has formatting issues - they put spaces in arbitrary places in the digimon's name (I know we all think parts of it are a prefix, but what about Magnadramon? Magna is a prefix sometimes, so should it really be Magna Dramon? Plus, I just dislike most attempts to determine the "official" Romanization, when most of the time the actual Romanizations that Toei/Bandai provides are ignored - like Neptunemon), plus, they base it on the Japanese version, so we would have to change a crapload of names. Digimon Wikia, while lacking in content (Which this move would handily solve) has less actual move issues.

So, yeah, I vote Wikia, not Wikimon.KrytenKoro 15:12, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

We are currently being urged to hurry up with the transwiki, so how exactly do we do that Ned Scott? I personally have no idea and you seem to have a few. If you wish to see what I mean by the urge part visit my talk page. Pending this talk I was struck with an idea that the Pokemon Project has been doing so we can keep at least some information about each Digimon on wikipedia. We could create just the list names with the descriptions like they have.Trainra 12:07, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

This does not seem to really be going anywhere.. 70.171.191.212 23:38, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

THERE'S ONLY THREE PEOPLE! If you want it to go faster, than participate in the decision of where to transwiki to. So far, only one person has decided, and this isn't some small task that we can do on a whim.128.211.183.70 09:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

It has already been decided on, has it not? Regardless, I thought you decided to transwiki it to that little wikia. Besides there being only three people I sort of doubt you need more of a decision to where it goes. But hey...correct me if I am wrong, Oy. ODK 13:29, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

No - I gave my opinion on which would be better suited. A different one was suggested in the AfD, and I have no idea how to perform the transwiki, and since Ned Scott seems to be missing, there's not much we can do right now, unless we just copy paste and to hell with edit histories.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 14:50, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Either way, just sitting here twiddling our thumbs waiting for things to happen won't get us anywhere..so it seems to me. ODK 17:21, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I suppose everything is okay now, since there is no discussion at all. At least everyone is happy...or dead. ODK 21:43, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I've been a bit inactive lately. I've looked into it the past, and there's a few ways to transwiki. One is to actually export the article and its full history in an XML file, and then import that at another wiki. The other is to just copy-paste with a template that directs people to the history hosted on Wikipedia, with the Wikipedia copies being redirects. We'll probably to the latter for the short term, and eventually move the history over later on. Eventually we'll want to re-expand the list back into individual articles, so pages from Category:Redirects from Digimon will make the trip too. Everyone who wants to get involved should register an account (if you haven't started one for Wikia before), and look around to see how things are set up and such. To link to Wikia pages type [[wikia:digimon:Article title]]. Once on Wikia, to link to an article on Wikipedia type [[Wikipedia:Article title]]. And you can pipe the link to make it look nicer, as in, [[wikia:digimon:Article title|Article title]].

I'll try to format some pages tonight to act as examples. -- Ned Scott 01:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Meh, better late then never I suppose. Way ahead of you on the registering part. Now to just wait and see again I suppose. Oy.. ODK 01:18, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I moved one list over, but it's currently a mess because the Digimon Wikia needs some updated css files, which only an admin can access. (wikia:digimon:List of Rookie Digimon (Part 1)) I've contacted the Digimon Wikia's admin, and am inquiring about obtaining admin access directly. I'm pretty excited about this though, because we'll be able to really expand on things, and drive traffic to the Digimon Wikia via Wikipedia. -- Ned Scott 04:45, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

That page has huge format problems, it takes forever to load and locks up the browser (both IE and Firefox) while doing so. --Riche 17:52, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The formatting problems are now fixed, but you might have to empty your browser cache for the changes to take effect. As for loading times, I'm not sure what to tell you. The article loads in about the same amount of time as it does here on Wikipedia, for me. -- Ned Scott 00:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

How to

Oh, and the basic gist of transwikiing is copy and paste the current page text from Wikipedia, add {{Wikipedia}} to the bottom, and for the edit summary place the permlink url (click on "permeant link" in the toolbox, under the search field). For example, this where the edit summary is "http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Rookie_Digimon_%28Part_2%29&oldid=162869019". Sometimes templates also need to be copied over. After you save, click edit again and look for the list of templates under the edit summary box. You can transwiki templates the same way, but normally you don't have to include {{Wikipedia}} at the bottom of a transwiki'ed template, but it's still good to have the permlink url in the edit summary.

Another big task will be copying all of the images over while we still have them here. Feel free to go wild on Category:Digimon media and upload what you can to Digimon Wiki. To make things simple, you might want to keep the file names the same so we don't have to update the articles when they get copied (we can rename them later once this big task is out of the way). We still have to follow the fair use laws of the US, but the restrictions aren't as strict as they are on Wikipedia. -- Ned Scott 04:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

And we should pretty much do this to every page listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Digimon/articles. When an article links to a non-Digimon page, we should change the link to point back to Wikipedia (for example, links to anime on the Digimon Wikia should look like [[wikipedia:anime|anime]]. For Digimon articles that are on both Wikipedia and the Digimon Wiki, we should have some kind of template that tells people the most updated version is on Wikipedia, or something like that. We might even be able to automate the process of updating articles still on Wikipedia via a bot. -- Ned Scott 05:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, I think I can get NedBot to do a lot of the more boring tasks, like converting links. -- Ned Scott 06:06, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll try to do the fresh and in-training lists sometime before Monday. If no one calls Rookie, I'll do those as well.

Also, while we-are transwiking, let's try to finish the cleanup we've been doing. Ref evolutions, do the (Ja) and (En), cut down on gamecruft, fix titles like Savers and V-Tamer, and fix links (Yes, I'm being lazy by dibbing lists that I've already done most of this work on, what of it?)Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 15:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Roll Call

Lets see how many members are still with us. Please sign your name below if you are still with the project:

1. [[--Master_Hio_Cin 16:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)]]
2. Trainra 06:24, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
3. i think i'm still here... Plau 07:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Me too Amreatsf4620 08:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
5. and me. -- Ned Scott 09:17, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
6. Ready N. Harmonik 10:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
7. That's six I believe. ODK 12:32, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
8. In the house. Quatreryukami 13:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
9. ...Here. Nightmare SE 13:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
10. Also here. Reorganized to be like other roll calls.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 15:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
11. Amigobro2 16:05, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
12. Sure, I guess.--Razorsaw 17:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
13. Still alive..I think....well I am I alive enough to work Rgoodermote 17:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
14. Uh not really sure what to do but I'll try to help. --B.L.A.Z.E 21:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
15. I originally reduced my contributions in this area because I thought we were still too fancrufty (indeed, fancruftisation became worse in the subheader abuse of the lists, and my gut feeling is that this contributed to their recommended). I'll contribute if I feel we are moving in the right direction. Circeus 22:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
16. herejadenik(UTC)
17. Sure, but I not always available.--Mmmundo 02:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
18. I'll do what I can...Legendary 03:16, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
19. I'll do my best! MajinNecro69 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 03:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
20. I'm here dudesCaptainIron555 (UTC)
21. Yep i'm here, willing to research anything needed and contribute Wongdai (UTC)
22. I'll be here but i don't know how oftenLord GaleVII 17:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
23. I'll try but I can't come on very often >_> Peanutland 03:55, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
24. I'm here, but I'm not sure I have much to contribute. Brandonrc2 00:11, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
25. I'm here too. Master Spider 14:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
26. Me present... just bought digimon data squad ps2 XD Vitruelugia 05:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
27. Still here, but kind of meandering around. If I can contribute, I will. Clevomon 7:54 EST, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
28. I'm Here! just need time- yugioh1126 17:05 EST, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
29. Here! Not sure what to do though... Pi314 (talk) 17:19, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
30. Hi! I'll try and help. Digital Fan 9:53 EST, 21 November 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 11:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
31. Here! I'll try to help in any way I can. Ahedgehog (talk) 00:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
32. Intermittently present. Let me know if I can help in any way. I've watched most of the episodes and movies. Arsonal (talk) 15:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
33. I'll do what I can in the limited time I have these days. Gear-Richie (talk) 20:35, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
34. Lol sorry for not coming back ot Wiki in forever, and even though I only did one significant Digimon-Related edit (gameplay in Digimon Rumble Arena) I'll try to do more now that I'm back. Metroidpal45 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 21:01, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Priority

I think our first priority should be to take into account the transwiki (current and future) and re-organize List of Digimon to provide the basic information that is really needed (name, type, level, series (if any), possibly card numbers—given there are few, if any, good sources for digimon-to-card correspondences). Circeus 22:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

There are good sources, that is, if you yourself have the cards. ODK 23:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

We would have to take into account both American and Japanese editions (even though the games are unrelated and we are quick to ignore the American game). There are quite a few places to link to for scans, too. Circeus 01:51, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Those places just have a smattering of cards though, so holes wil lbe left most likely. ODK 12:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I did a quick-and-dirty transwiki already of the lists (hoping to use it as an example, but some HTML settings on Digimon Wiki are.. not right), but figured it would be overwritten with something better (incase someone was wondering why it was done before cleanup was done). If we can get admin access, or some free time from the current admin, we can even import the articles and be able to view all versions of them, as we do now (incase of some unforeseen vandalism or something like that, after transwiki).

I know we're busy on our side too, but if anyone hasn't already, you should jump on over to Digimon Wiki and get involved there. There's a lot to be done, like setting up a layout guideline (although we'll probably use the one we have on Wikipedia), and other community decisions. This is going to be a really fun project for any wiki-phile. -- Ned Scott 20:55, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I am ready to basically strip all the lists and make them more non-crufty, I have one request for someone though, I would like a template. I fpossible I'd like it to be horizontal, like they have here, and the fields to be Attribute, Type and Family(s). If this is possible, I'd be grateful. If someone could I will then unvail how I 've redone the 2nd rookie list. Trainra 10:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Another idea about the Wikia wiki

This is probably the first time I've done anything over on Wikipedia about things on a Wikia wiki. But considering the project goals it might be a good idea for me to mention it.

There is a project I'm head of on Wikia, Wikia ACG could almost be considered the WikiProject Anime and Manga of Wikia, except a little different. I've been trying to work on adding information to the Projects Wikia here but still the best info I've got is at the What will happen? and Extended information guides. I'll try to explain a bit more to the people here though.

Moving things to Wikia gives other oportunities than just being able to go into more detail on things that would be considered non-notable on Wikipedia. One area being the technical stuff, Wikia has had things like the new DPL setup for awhile and recently installed String Functions and plans to install Semantic MediaWiki soon. I've actually already made use of the String Functions, my Animanga infobox which used to take a | genre = {{Genre|Genre1|Genre2}} and would automatically link and categorize things has now been changed into simply | genre = Genre1, Genre2 meaning that my infobox now takes a comma separated list with no extra wiki formatting and automatically links and categorizes the page (in the future instead of categorization, it will instead automatically add Semantic Attributes to the page to make series much easier searchable by things like Genre).

I probably went of on a little bit of a tangent on that one, but moving to Wikia also allows you to free youself from many of the Template restrictions on Wikipedia. It's a large encyclopedia here, and because of that many templates can't be specialized, they can't be changed to much and improved, and they can't do anything which would affect the Job que. But Wikia wiki are smaller in scale, and Wikia has worked hard on it's archatecture and is a quite nice place to do things which on Wikipedia would kill the que and slow down the entire encyclopedia. As an example, my Tlx upgrade from Wikipedia's Tlx template does the job of about every Tl* template here and more.

But moving on to something a bit more relevant (yes, unfortunately whenever I do try and say something simple or start a small discussion I do end up with a lot of writting for people to read, sorry about that). I noticed this when the Digimon Wiki was looking for help getting an administrator because the founder is inactive. I've also been watching over the wiki for awhile (I do that with nearly every Animanga wiki on Wikia since I'm head of the project which is adopting and improving the ones it can one by one). And the ideas of a WikiProject trying to move things to a Wikia wiki fits in very nicely with Wikia ACG, especially with our Jump start from Wikipedia policy. Instead of just copying over the Wikipedia articles and a bunch of Wikipedia templates to Wikia which in some cases break, and in most cases has already had an improved version created in Wikia ACG, I would be happy to adopt the Digimon Wiki on Wikia making it part of Wikia ACG and help copy over the articles from Wikipedia and format them to work in a way which in practice has shown to work quite well on Wikia wiki I've administrated. Dantman 10:42, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

A light in the darkness. And here I was fearing of having to hack up bunch of stuff to get our articles to work. I think we'd all be grateful for any help we can get in this process. -- Ned Scott 04:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

^_^ yup, and I just need some support from a few other members. Even just a simple * Support ~~~~ is extremely helpful. All I need is a few of those, and that'll be enough for me to get the Sysop/Bureaucrat/Bot flags I need and I can setup the Digimon Wiki as part of Wikia ACG and get all the templates and stuff there and ready to use. I'll even show you how to reformat a page after you copy.

Oh, btw... When you do copy, I saw a note about the Wikipedia template being at the bottom, the top is actually what most wiki place it at as a standard. Also, just a interesting note, our Wikipedia template supports revision ID. Just use {{Wikipedia|Page Title|Revision ID}} and it'll note the exact revision you copied from. That way people can see what has been edited since then. Dantman 04:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Not to offend, but we are looking for a partnership, and a voice in how things are done. -- Ned Scott 07:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I do think we will like to seek a partnership with the Wikia ACG, but I also think we will need to think a little bit about this. I can't speak for everyone, but for myself I know I'd like to basically keep much of the Wikipedia MOS that apply, as well as other guidelines and policies, but slightly adapted to allow more content. Another reason for this is to make cross-collaboration between Wikia and Wikipedia simple and easy. -- Ned Scott 02:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

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(Ya, ya... I did it again... Try and say something small, and end up with half a page of text... Sorry...)

^_^ most of that can still apply, I see no issues... Though... I'll make two notes with a good bit of detail on each of them... (Don't mind my overuse of the [...], it's just another of my many tourette syndrome derived habits I try and avoid while in articles but let free while discussing)

1. Firstly, unlike Wikipedia we do like consistency with use of ==Heading== vs. == Heading ==, * Text vs. *Text, and use of one space after a period or two.
   • The thing here being emphasized is not strength of one type, but consistency on what is used. If a wiki decides there are strong reasons to use one style instead of the other then they can use that style. But the emphasis is that it is inconsistent and a little distracting to see ==Heading== used in an article and then all of a sudden see a == Heading == sticking there. Same for if 90% of the pages on a wiki use one, and then you see another on another article.
   • Just to note what is the most common on Wikia ACG wiki.
     • I've seen much more use of ==Heading== than == Heading == and so most Wikia ACG wiki stick to using that by default. (I don't know about other people, but for me the latter for some reason makes it harder to read the heading... Plus the extra spaces are unnecessary). Just note that this is just a case for Articles... On image pages == Heading == is preferred and we prefer a == Summary == then == Licensing == with a Fair use rationale inside of the Summary so that people editing a Image page get the same as someone uploading an image and adding a rationale and selecting a fair use tag.
     • Because it is generally more readable I also do see * Text used more than *Text and that is preferred.
     • Double spaces (Two spaces after a period) are absolutely useless. HTML Converts all White-Space to single spaces, and it doesn't help editing at all when 90% of writers will never use two spaces after a period. It's something done when typing a document, but it has no use on a Web page. So the general thing to do is to get rid of any distracting double spaces by turning them into a single space.
2. The only other thing I can note, is that while Wikipedia makes some notes on a preference of not using HTML and styles, and using a {{Nowrap}} template, Wikia ACG does it a little differently. (Just to note, in this case we have a nowrap css class. <span class="nowrap">text</span>; We also have nowrap-all, nowrap-td, and nowrap-th so that you can make it so headers, cells, or all children in a table don't wrap)
   • Firstly, we generally do not use things like {{Nowrap}}. It adds a pointless template call to make a shortcut to something that would only be a minor extra bit of typing. The only exception I can think of to this case is my {{Hover}} template which is used for making text with a mouseover title, but that's because in the future I do intend to improve that by using some CSS hovering rather than the title hovering.
   • We like the use of the <span></span> tag, multiple styles can be added at once without much hassle.
   • But we do not use the style="" tag unless absolutely necessary. 90% of the things you want to put in the style tag will have a shortcut class in our CSS already. Other than the fact that class="center" is shorter than style="text-align: center;", it is also preferred for two other reasons; Because if we want to change the way something is implemented or what styling is done for something, it's just a simple change to the class instead of going through the different pages in the wiki. And also because it makes the sometimes confusing list of CSS attributes easier to understand. Which is easier, "font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;text-decoration: underline;" or "style-italic style-bold style-underline".
     • Just a bit more information on that... You can find a list of classes currently at Wikia:en.anime:Project:Visual Classes. I'll work on a good guide on using the Box class later.
     • Another note, these styles don't just simplify style tag stuff, they also do things that you can't do with style tags or would require to much repetition. For example, the cell-align-center does something that you wouldn't be able to easily do, it center aligns every cell in a table. For something even better, you can use cell-align-left, or th-align-left to have table header cells along the left side aligned right, then have headers up top use class="mainheader" and they'll be center aligned and emphasized more. We also have float-left and float-left-clear, along with the equivalent right oriented classes in case we wan't to change things. Also, it's good to have since most of the time you'll be using these at the same time you're using other classes and it's much easier to use all classes than it is to use classes and styles.
     • If you're wondering what the equivalent to using class="wikitable" is, it's class="box table colored bordered innerbordered type-basic", you can also add extra things like fill-horiz to make the table fill the page horizontally. This stuff in that class is part of my box class, it lets you use a versatile set of css classes to do styling that would normally require you to put a huge pile of css styling in nearly every cell of the table.

We can keep most of the formatting and stylistics of writing content the same... But please discard ideas of having the same set of templates used on each... A good deal of Wikipedia's templates, mainly every infobox you try to copy will break when you copy it to Wikia, because Wikipedia has Tidy Enabled and has encouraged the community to idiotically use HTML Tables inside of ParserFunctions instead of WikiTables, thus making Wikipedia's infoboxes incompatible with 100% of fresh wiki, and 99% of all other wiki out there. Other than that, as I said moving to Wikia lets us do new things we can't do on Wikipedia. One of these things is adding a bunch of categories into templates and using a bunch of complex systems that make it easy for editors to input simple information and have the templates do all the categorization and organization work. And another one is also improving the templates. Because of the wide use of the templates on Wikipedia, they can't be updated much and can't have to much complex stuff added to them because of the Job que. But we don't have those issues on Wikia, so the truth is most of the good templates on Wikipedia you'll want already have equivalent templates which have been improved. (ie: ACG's Tlx does the job of WP's Tlx, Tl, Tls, etc... And more; ACG's CC does the job of about every CreativeCommons licensing template you'll find on Wikipedia, and more; Just about all the Non-free/Fairuse templates you'll need have been combined into a single Fair use template and just need input on what type [like {{Fair use|tv-screenshot}}]; And before I start going on, nihongo has been replaced with translation which works similarly, but is specialized for the types of things we'll be doing and includes various extra params for literal meanings, tv translations, translations by certain companies, and even translations by fansubs. Also the romanized parameter automatically adds italics so you don't add that yourself). Dantman 08:06, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I understand where you're going with a lot of this, but at the same time, for the most part, these are trivial matters that don't really... matter. I don't really care if an editor does == Header == or ==Header==, because it doesn't matter. Using CSS classes vs using "style" every so often isn't a big deal either, and often times it's just nice to experiment, even though we generally keep things standardized. Don't underestimate Wikipedians, we understand these things, and we know the pros and cons, but we also know some stuff.. is just there, and it can go either way. Emphasizing too much on those things, when we have so much other stuff to do, can be a bit of a turn off for some editors. Now that I know about Tidy, most of the "specialized" templates will be an easy fix. Even so, I have no problem with using the template's that you've set up, but I'd like the process to be really easy for the editor who comes to Wikia from Wikipedia. That might be as simple as a redirected template, so there's less on the article to change, but things under the hood can be improved.

Basically, it should be relatively painless for an editor to move stuff back and forth between Digimon Wiki and Wikipedia. Doing so will allow for much easier collaboration, having editors be more comfortable in a new wiki environment, require less work, etc.

I think we will be able to do this and still be a part of the ACG community, but it might need some tweaking before a total commitment. At least.. an adjustment period, to see where we are going once we've been able to get the bulk of our content over to the Digimon Wiki. -- Ned Scott 01:23, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... Redirected templates won't always work out... And in the case of {{translation}} and {{nihongo}} you'll be shooting yourself in the foot later on if you try to redirect the nihongo to the translation template. But converting isn't that hard... Instead of {{nihongo|English|Kanji|''Romanji''|''literally meaning'' "Something"}} you would use {{translation|English|Kanji|Romanji|lit meaning=Something}}. Just to note, whenever I complete a template, I make sure to put some good documentation on the page itself. Just look at Wikia:anime:Template:Translation and you'll see a complete set of parameters and most of all the explanation you'll ever need on how to use it.

As for the Infoboxes, as the input is different it won't work out to redirect the infobox templates. But adding them won't be to hard. Take a look at what we've got on the Narutopedia; We have a Infobox use page. Quite simply, you copy the infobox stuff from there, then just fill in the values with explanations of things below that code area. Perhaps similarly we could come up with what order of boxes to use, and create one of these pages to make it easier for people to just throw in the information. Not everyone will get it (That's true for any infobox system), but I know it works, because I had one editor who came in, added an infobox to an article, and got it absolutely perfect first time.

Because of all the Wikipedia editors, what I would definitely go for is an equivalence page. Basically we'll setup a project namespace page comparing one template, syntax, or practice on Wikipedia to what the equivalent template, syntax, or practice would be on the Digimon Wiki in Wikia ACG.

Well, when I mean enforce the ==Header== stuff. When you're reformatting an article it's perfectly fine to go and change all the == Header =='s to ==Header=='s. It won't matter to much cause minor things like that stuff being tidied up in the source code to make it more standard to read could easily have a bot simply tidy those up once in awhile. But the general meaning is, there's a preference on what the general groups on the wiki like, and so it's ok to change things to use that format if you see another, even if you're not doing anything else on the revision. We're not so picky about things going in the job que or revisions that don't change much, on Wikia. Dantman

A THOUGHT!!

SHOULD WE SHOW EVOLUTIOARY LINES.... FLOW CHART (LIKE A FAMILY TREE) --Master_Hio_Cin 16:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

No, and none of us are deaf.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 00:47, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Help with Devas

At the beginning of the semester, I personally translated the DVR files for each of the devas. However, I am certain that I got some of the idioms wrong, so I have been trying to get one of my JPNS classmates or teachers to check it - however, between Vista/XP incompatibility and them not having time, I have as of yet been unable.

So User:KrytenKoro/DVR Translations is the page. I'll try to put up a smaller section with the original Japanese.

I am fairly certain I did Mihiramon correctly, so I already merged that info. Check out his species entry for how it should probably look when merged.

Thank you for your time and help!Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 00:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

In regards to Poyomon:

Found it, thanks to looking at one of the cartoons for the newer Digi-Pets:Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 01:11, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

ぴょんぴょん (adv) hopping; skipping; (P)

New Game: "Digimon Championship"

Me and SakuyamonX from WtW found out about the new game for the Nintendo DS that was mentioned, but not titled, a few days ago!

Here's all the info and scans: http://withthewill.net/index.php?topic=5765.0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amigobro2 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Umm, there is an official Japanese webpage for Digimon Championship now. But its in Japanese so I can't read it... www.bandaigames.channel.or.jp/list/ds_digimon03/

So when will we create a page for it? Digital Fan (talk) 11:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Progress on Wikia: images

A bunch of raw content has already been copied to DigimonWiki. Changes made since then on Wikipedia will be copied over shortly. While articles still exist on both Wikipedia and Wikia, it's probably best to keep working on the Wikipedia copy, since those changes will be copied over. As one can see, some more adjustments are needed to get some stuff to display properly, but that should be fixed pretty soon. In the meantime, we need images to be copied over to DigimonWiki. Take any article found in wikia:digimon:template:Digimon, find a red link for an image file, and upload the file from Wikipedia (or a better one if you have it). If you can, make a copy of the image page too (the fair use rationale, source, etc). It's not a big deal, but it might help later on as we establish a fair use policy (which will be much less restrictive than on Wikipedia). If anyone needs any help setting up an account on Wikia, uploading images, or anything, feel free to ask here, on my talk page, or even by AIM (Ned Scott). -- Ned Scott 22:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll have to put back in the image links for the Rookie lists, since they were removed on our side, but feel free to re-add the links and/or just upload. When you can, use the same file name as we were using before, for simplicity. Renaming things later on will be pretty easy (since some of the images have some crazy file names). -- Ned Scott 22:43, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

And if you want to bring anything up on the talk pages on DigimonWiki, right now the main page talk page seems to be were most of the activity is at. wikia:digimon:Talk:Main Page. We'll likely set up a mirror WP:DIGI of sorts over there as well, to help with collaboration. -- Ned Scott 22:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

And feel free to do the same thing I've been doing if you want to help copy the Digimon articles over. Cut and paste the article text into the same article title on DigimonWiki, you can usually remove most of the categories, or you can keep them if you think we'll use them over there, then at the bottom place {{Wikipedia}}. For the edit summary, post the perm link URL for the page (for example, at the time of this post the current version of Digimon is http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Digimon&oldid=165711881 . This link can be taken from the current version in the history view, or by clicking "Permanent link" on the left hand side of the screen).

Links to non-Digimon articles will eventually be formatted by a bot to point back to Wikipedia. For example, a link about Bandai. -- Ned Scott 22:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Another update, I've gotten admin access so I'm able to import articles completely, with full history. Also, the css files have been updated, so our templates now actually look like they do on Wikipedia. I've been talking with people on #Wikia and #Wikipedia, and it seems the easiest option would be to set up a bot to do most of our leg work, hopefully including the images as well. Once this is done we'll be able to delete or redirect some of the lists, and point them to Digimon Wiki. Then on Digimon Wiki, the option of re-expanding to individual articles awaits. -- Ned Scott 06:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

1) I have no idea how to transfer stuff, so could you show me how, and 2) how do you become an admin over there?Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 18:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Before I was doing a cut and paste method, and adding a template that referenced the article's history on Wikipedia. Now that I can import files, we can take the full articles, and their histories, and put them directly on Digimon Wiki (which is important for reusing content without having to have a copy on Wikipedia). It will also allow us to revert to past versions, incase the imported version has a mistake, or there was something we wanted from an earlier version. If the bot idea works, all the transferring will be done on it's own, and I should find that out in the next few days (maybe even tonigh). Then we set up links on both sides, and continue to work on those lists articles on Wikia, with an option to re-expand into individual articles if we want.

Since the admin on Digimon Wiki had not been active for several months, a Wikia staffer was needed to give me access, which I requested so I could edit the css files and have access to the import tool. -- Ned Scott 04:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The setup on the wiki is a bit off on organization for mass imports to be easy. Some are partially imported, some are attributed, some are original, and some are bad combinations of both. For the articles do you think it would be a good idea to grab a Wikipedia dump, filter it down to Digimon related pages, append @wikipedia:en or @en.wikipedia.org or @wikipedia to all the usernames (So that names are not confused with users on Wikia or attributed to someone who stole a name to impersonate someone), then give it to the techs and have them do some SQL to move every article in the Main namespace into a Archive: namespace, and do a complete import of the edited dump into the Main namespace? Dantman —Preceding comment was added at 06:40, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

FYI, a few of my Digimon images are orphaned and up for deletion so if you haven't already grabbed them for Wikia and you want them, grab them now. They're listed at the bottom of my talk page courtesy of some bot or other. Shiroi Hane 09:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I've recently grabbed everything from Category:Digimon media for anything that gets deleted before we get to it. Still working with people on IRC to help me get NedBot to work with the image transfer feature, which seems to be having some issues. -- Ned Scott 21:01, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

J.P. and T.K.

Recently I got into a discussion with the guy who made all those "J. P." edits, and it turns out that not only is J.P., T.K. the official spelling, but there doesn't seem to be any actual Wikipedia MOS saying that any initialization should have a space...in any case, the spaces in Takeru and Junpei's dub names need to be removed. Since these are probably everywhere and hard to find, the best way to do it on the list pages would be while we are cleaning them up, and we can do their character pages easily.

Thanks!Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 19:28, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Regarding T.K., if it helps I made a screencap for reference purposes some time ago. Shiroi Hane 18:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the actual episode is something I showed to him as evidence, but so far he hasn't wanted to revert the changes he made, and I'm really, really busy on cleaning up a few other articles, one thats really close to deletion if it doesn't get fixed.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 19:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Damn Fundraising

Anyone else having problems accessing the wikia we're trying to move to? It lets me see the page for about half a second before going to a page blank except for an add. If I'm the only one, WTH?Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 21:41, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Seems to be some kind of browser bug. I didn't notice it on Mac OS X with Safari or Firefox, but exactly what you described happened with Opera. Clicking the back button will take you to the correct page, but it happens with each page. You might try another browser as a temp fix, but hopefully the Wikia staff will fix this soon. -- Ned Scott 03:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

What skin are you using? You might be able to use a different skin and make it work. Other than MonoBook, Wikia has been working hard on developing their Quartz skins, which actually offer new features you will never be able to see in MonoBook. Dantman 06:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm Having the same problem he is. I'm using IE6 I want to help but how can I if I cant see the Damn Page!!!!!!!!!! Amreatsf4620 05:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Still looking into it. Looks like it might be related to the default skin. -- Ned Scott 21:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, it was related to the .js file I copied from Wikipedia. It works now, but you might have to empty your cache to see the changes. -- Ned Scott 21:37, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Progress report, 10-31

Unable to figure out the problem with the bot for transferring images, and unable to find anyone else with a bot to help, I've given in and started uploading all of the images from Category:Digimon media manually to Digimon Wiki.

Similarly, I've run into more technical snags when trying to do full copies of the list articles over, but Wikia staff tells me they can get their techs to import the articles for us.

One thing that hasn't really been made clear is what will happen now. The lists articles, except for List of Digimon, will no longer be on Wikipedia. All links to the lists will be changed to link to Digimon Wiki (which is done by adding [[wikia:digimon: to the start of any link) so the reader won't really notice much of a difference. Our main articles on Digimon, such as Digimon, will contain links to Digimon Wiki as well (like the boxes you see for Wikiquote). Digimon Wiki will contain a living copy of all our Digimon articles here, and be regularly updated to keep in sync. While on Digimon Wiki, when a reader comes to an article that is still on Wikipedia, there will be a message that says to make changes they should go to Wikipedia first, then the DW copy will be updated soon after on it's own. (currently this is just an idea, not something set in stone) Links to non-Digimon topics on DW will be fixed so they point to Wikipedia, or possibly another Wikia depending on what it is.

At the same time, Digimon Wiki will contain a whole bunch of articles that Wikipedia won't have, and some that will even be completely new. So it won't be simply that DW is a copy of Wikipedia, since that will actually be the minority of the articles hosted there. This means breaking back into individual articles if people want, an episode list with screen shots, individual episode articles, detailed lists on what Digimon are in what game, and a lot more. Every so often, Digimon Wiki might even make something that we want to use here on Wikipedia, and doing so will be very easy (just note that the info came from what article on Digimon Wiki at what time. This is the same for Wikipedia to DW copies as well.).

So what now? Basically we should start looking at remaking a layout guideline for individual Digimon articles, as well as simply brainstorming for how we want the articles to flow. For example, one problem with having a lot of plot summary in our articles that was unrelated to guidelines or policy on Wikipedia was simply that they would get out of sync. An editor would write about the same scene for an article about Matt as they did for Sora, but someone would then update the Sora article but not the Matt article. One idea that came up in my head with DW is that we could limit the plot summary in articles, and write a general summary (or use episode articles) that we'd link to in that article. We could even make it so that the text still shows up in both articles, but uses transclusion (same thing as a template) to update in two place at once.

In other words, Digimon Wiki is a new community, and what we need right now is ideas and direction. DW is whatever we want it to be, so get over to Digimon Wiki, register an account, find a talk page (haven't really set up an area for that yet, so probably just use wikia:digimon:Talk:Main Page). Feel free to be bold and make test articles, or anything like that. When you need guidance on how to do something, just look to the Wikipedia guidelines that normally apply, but with the exception that we allow for more plot summary, we have a less restrictive fair use policy, we're looser on WP:OR and WP:V (but not completely loose), and so on. At the same time, we want to avoid being extreme crufty, and want to make sure that important topics (important from the perspective of Digimon) are easily found. We'll still have quality standards, but we'll probably handle things differently. If we want to remove some really trivial stuff from an article, we might simply move it to a second article specifically for trivia, so the info is still there, but main articles are stronger, etc. Who knows, because we have many different possibilities, and it's up to us as the active community of Digimon wiki editors.

Also feel free to talk about it here as well, since a lot of stuff we'll talk about will still fall onto both sites. -- Ned Scott 04:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

You also might notice that not all of the same templates are on Digimon Wiki yet, but that's an easy fix, just copy them over from Wikipedia. If you need any help with it, or anything else, don't hesitate to contact me on either of my talk pages, e-mail, or by AIM "Ned Scott", even if it's just something small. -- Ned Scott 04:50, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Got the bot to work after all, which will be a big help in a lot of ways. Most, if not all, of the images are now saved on Digimon Wiki. The first 200 or so don't have the image description page from Wikipedia because I did them manually, but I'll be able to import those as well (so people can find out where the images came from, who originally uploaded them, etc). There might be a few images I missed, since I used Category:Digimon media as my reference, and some images haven't been added to that yet, but I hope to find those soon and transfer them as well.

This will also help us with updating our images (see here). In times when we don't get to them fast enough and they are deleted, the image of the same file name can be found on Digimon Wiki. -- Ned Scott 02:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Mewtwo has nothing on MetalGreymon

Ealier today, I was curious aboot some Digimun and then I looked at 1 called Mercurimon. But then I clicked it and guess wut? It took me to 1 called Merukimon!!! Then i read about Merukimone a little bit and it said it is "not to be confuses wit Mercurymon cos he is a hybird". Look at Mercurymon...he is different from Merukimon but y do I get rediercted 2 Merukimon when it say Mercurimon on Yggdrasil's page? Don't worry tho coz i fixed it. But there might be more wrong ones out there...
So, is ther such fin as "Mercurimon" or is just mistake? I fink redirect should be taken off and was goin 2 ask da admin on wiki but u guys kno abot digimon and i thougt you coould hlp coz this is givning me a headahce. Thnx 4 readin. --Dlae ^{Hit meh!} 19:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Just because of the title, I thought you guys would like this:

• "So begins the first Digimon series, appearing to onlookers as a Pokemon knockoff, and to the fans as something completely different. (Pokemon never had Metal Greymon, for one thing. Or death. Lots of it.)" —Preceding unsigned comment added by KrytenKoro (talk • contribs) 02:18, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
  • A Pokemon dies in Pokemon Heroes. Although – search my memory on this – who has died in Digimon? Do the deaths of blackWarGreymon and co. count as deaths? hbdragon88 10:24, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

...In just the first season: Angemon, Devimon, Greymon, Kokatorimon, Etemon, some of Etemon's army that I'm forgetting, all of Etemon's army that was at the pyramids, All of Myotismon's army, Pumpkinmon, Gotsumon, Myotismon, VenomMyotismon, Wizardmon, Whamon, Piximon, Chuumon, The Dark Masters, their armies, and Apocalymon.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 21:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Just a random comment from nobody, but does anyone else think that BlackWarGreymon and Mewtwo are a lot alike? Think about it.
- Both artificially created
- Both among the strongest of their kind
- Both go on a vengeful spree of destruction
- Both are defeated by their natural born counterparts (Mew/WarGreymon)
- Both become benevolent and help the heroes next time they meet

I'm just saying... The Clawed One 16:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually WarGreymon never defeated BlackWarGreymon, and I wouldn't consider him one of the strongest digimon either, with all the mode changes there are these days not to mention X antibody digimon, added to that god like digimon like Millenniummon, BlackWarGreymon seems pretty mediocre as far as being a mega level digimon. Nightmare SE 16:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

The "Enemy Without" thing is pretty common - Hell, Star Trek even had that episode a long time ago. They have a page on it at TVTropes.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 21:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Mewtwo goes berserk and destroys his creators. If my YouTube memories are correct, BWG never expressed a will to kill A-mon or M-mon – he just hated them a lot, and destroyed their Control Spires and such. His target was his ultimate creator, that freaky human person. hbdragon88 23:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Yggdrasil, is it a robot or a digimon? Yugioh1126 (talk) 20:48, 16 March 2008 (UTC) i 'm confused about it.

Yeah, you're right - BWG is such a kitty-cat killing off all of these baby Digimon, and being nice enough to leave his high-powered creators alone. Mewtwo is so terrible, causing a lab explosion that everybody survived.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 06:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Progress report, 11-09

I thought some of you might want to see what a fully transwikied article looks like. Devas (Digimon) was recently deleted from Wikipedia, all mainspace links were changed to wikia:digimon:Devas (Digimon) on our side. Then I imported the article history, which includes all the usernames from Wikipedia in the format UserName@en.wikipedia.org, as seen here.

I've found a work around to a technical limitation that prevented me from importing some of the larger articles, (I basically have to chop them up into smaller files that are less than 2MBs big. Exported articles can be very large in size, some of them are 60MBs), and import them in piece by piece. With the help of some scripts, it shouldn't be too hard. I've also been able to import a few hundred of the smaller articles that are currently redirects, just incase we want to use some of their content. With a bit of luck, and my work schedule permitting, it should be done in a week. (maybe less) -- Ned Scott 21:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Dorumon...

Dorumon has been deleted, I'm not sure if anyone else has... Nightmare SE 15:04, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Turns out this guy deleted a lot of articles. List of Digimon, as you can see, several Rookie digimon are gone. Nightmare SE 15:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Weren't those all redirects to the list pages? What the hell is he doing?Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 19:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

The Rookies lists has been deleted as a completed transwiki to the Digimon Wiki (I was under the impression they were waiting for us to tell them when we were done, but whatever). These were redirects to the list, but some of these articles still have content being used in other articles, so their histories would still be needed, plus I haven't checked to make sure I have moved the full histories to Digimon Wiki (but so far, most of them seem to be saved there). I've requested undeletion from the admin so that we can make sure there are no GFDL issues. -- Ned Scott 07:29, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

wikia:digimon:Dorumon has now been imported, as well as all of the other articles deleted, so they're safe somewhere. -- Ned Scott 09:06, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Progress report, 11-22

For the time being, all the lists of Digimon (except the main one and character ones) have been softredirected to Digimon Wiki. There is some link cleanup to do to make it more smooth (since some redirects now just show the softredirect) but nothing too bad, and for the short term readers should still be able to find the information they are looking for. I've written up a starting draft for general guidelines on Digimon Wiki at DigimonWiki:General guidelines, which also includes instructions on what to do to split a Digimon into its own article. You might notice that for most of the articles that the full article history has been copied, so you can take an old redirect and restore content, just as if it were still on Wikipedia. There are some redirects that have old content that I haven't moved over yet, as well as a few Digimon articles that haven't been copied over, but each day I try to move a bunch more, and the number has gotten a lot smaller. We're at a point where it's pretty much safe to dive into working on things. Feel free to ask any questions you have about this, or if you need any help at all. -- Ned Scott 09:58, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I know I haven't been around for a long time, but i was wondering whether you could compile a list for all the articles that have been moved, and all those that haven't. Thanks. - Plau 12:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

There is a copy of pretty much every single article except the lists of episodes (since I need to convert the template for them to work. Hmm, might do that tonight). There is a full edit history for all articles except the ones listed in wikia:digimon:Category:Articles using Wikipedia edit histories. This also includes every article in Category:Redirects from Digimon and a number of other ones that were missing from Redirects from Digimon. There might be a few articles left that I haven't found, so I check where links are coming from and keep a list of "articles to look for", to help keep it minimal.

There's also a new help page that shows how any user can bring an article over, or simply make an update, at wikia:digimon:Help:Copying to and from other sites.

I've started to place a template on articles that are found on both Digimon Wiki and Wikipedia. The idea is that editors can review the two copies and either continue to make them mirrors, or selectively make changes, allowing new sections found on one copy that are not on the other, and then date when these reviews/syncs are made.

There's also now a new template we can use here on Wikipedia that will tell people about Digimon Wiki, aptly named {{Digimon Wiki}}. When used it looks like this:

Digimon Wiki has information related to:

WikiProject Anime and manga/Digimon/Archive 11

I've gone with the generic blue squares as a temporary icon, since it kind of has that "digital" feel to it. Feel free to suggest a better image (which we also might use as the main icon for Digimon Wiki. -- Ned Scott 03:09, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Article Editing

Hi all, I see that several of you are working on this massive project. Thanks so much for all of your hard work! It looks completely overwhelming, but you are doing a fantastic job.

I am interested on cleaning up wikipedia articles that interest me (including the Digimon articles, particularly those relating to the characters in seasons 1 and 2). I've already started and just wanted to let you know that I'm working on this. There will be mistakes made, so please correct and edit my work as you see fit.

I do have a question about the wikia page - how can I transfer changes made to wikipedia on that page as well? Is it simple as cutting as pasting, or is there additional code that must be typed in? I admit that I'm quite ignorant when it comes to all the coding done on these pages. Also, is this something I should even be doing in the first place?

Thanks! --Mulder8281 (talk) 15:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Digimon Next - Tokyopop?

The Digimon Next article gives many indications (I actually removed a very crufty section detailing how yen was changed to dollars) that Tokyopop is or has released a dubbed Digimon Next manga. However, I can find no indication of this on the web, and there was no sources cited in the article.

Does anyone have any information on this?Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 13:02, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

WIkia query

Are we intending to go back to having individual 'mon articles on the Wikia? Those list of (part x) articles are rather unwieldy and the arguments for merging them all in the first place don't really apply over there. There's also other information I originally put a lot of work into like card numbers which was stripped out that may be trivial but still doesn't hurt to have. Shiroi Hane (talk) 06:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you're asking, but unless they have been deleted, you should be able to recover the originals at the page histories. Circeus (talk) 09:13, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

That does seem to be the direction that people are heading in on Digimon Wiki. I've imported all of the article histories (except for a few that had very large page histories, or have been edited since being imported. They are listed here), so past revisions can be recovered as well. I made a very rough guide to help editors there re-split articles at wikia:digimon:DigimonWiki:General guidelines#Splitting Digimon articles (feel free to improve it). -- Ned Scott 03:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Centralized TV Episode Discussion

Over the past months, TV episodes have been reverted by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here [2]. --Maniwar (talk) 00:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

digital monsters ver.s digimon tamers

I wrote an artical on Digital Monsters ver.s digimon tamers could somone add it to the list of games?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Monster_Ver._S:_Digimon_Tamers#Digimon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigbrifsx (talk • contribs) 05:05, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I cleaned up the article - please try harder to avoid spelling and capitalization errors next time.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 05:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Great addition! I've added it to Template:Digimon. -- Ned Scott 06:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:FICT has been revised

WP:FICT, the notability guideline for elements within a work of fiction (characters, places, elements, etc) has a new proposal/revision that is now live [3] Everyone is encouraged to leave feedback on the talk page. Ned Scott 22:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

For XXX only

That message at the top of some of the Digimon pages saying it's for a particular season only is missing from most of the pages. Because of this, people have begun adding forms that were not included in said season (like Ophanimon in the Gatomon article). I don't know if you guys trashed the idea when you moved to the Wikia, but I just broke the Gatomon page three times trying to revert the extra stuff, so I'd like to know if I should keep doing this or just let it go... Gagbumon (talk) 22:27, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Keep it up, since we're trying to keep the focus on a per-character basis. I've removed those two sections from the article. We used some table cell shading to help separate the sections, so when adding or removing things just watch out for the sections that look like this:

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Those will be in between the different levels. I might make an HTML comment to mark them. -- Ned Scott 00:18, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Alright. Thank you. I'll continue to watch for such edits. And thanks for pointing out what I kept breaking. I suppose "mindlessly delete the section" wasn't the smartest move I could have made... I'll make sure I'm more careful in the future. Gagbumon (talk) 00:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

No worries. What we're doing is out of the ordinary anyways. -- Ned Scott 01:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Dawn and Dusk

Digimon Dawn and Dusk are the same game, but different story lines. i like Dawn storyline better, but dusk has more exclusitives. Yugioh1126 (talk) 20:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)