Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anthroponymy/Arabic names task force
Aims
editLets star by focusing in turning the Muhammad (name) article into a FA-class article. The we will have a good standard to compare to.--Striver 23:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Standards
editProposals
edit- Following the format of Muhammad (name)--Striver 22:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
- Not adding nicknames to the list: They are there on the merits of the name including "Muhammad", other nicknames are not relevant to the list--Striver 22:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
- A simple "New entries" should be added to the bottom, so new entries will be easy to enter and not be disscouraged.--Striver 22:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Other proposals:
- If a biographical article does not have a standardized name, then the name of the "Arabic name article" will be used as a standard.--Striver 23:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
- All biographical articles linked to the name articles should have a link back to the name article in their bolded lead text.--Striver 23:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Other
editIn case anyone's interested
editThere is a peer review on Wikipedia:Peer review/Al-/archive1, which hasn't received much attention. The user who posted it is interested in improving the article but not familiar enough with Arabic apparently. Moulder 21:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
- I've only been studying it a year. ;) Please, contribute anything you can.
-Fsotrain09 01:06, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- I want to help, I can read and write English and Arabic very well. The problem is that am not really familiar with the wikipedia structure -and how to use it-, and am afraid to try to edit and screw things up instead. If there's anything specific I can do, i'll be glad to help.
Sorceressknight 17:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Nizar?
editHow is "Nizar" spelled in Arabic letters? (I'm having difficulty finding the correct spelling...) AnonMoos 16:33, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- I have no idea... thats the whole point of this project, to identify problems like this. --Striver 17:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- It's 'نزار'. Sorceressknight 17:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Muhammad
editI beefed up the Muhammad article, it took a lots of time to google all that up. Some help would be appreciated. --Striver 02:47, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Assessment
editThis is a list of articles that might be of interest for the objectives of this project.
- Quality = {{FA-Class}}, {{A-Class}}, {{GA-Class}}, {{B-Class}}, {{Start-Class}}, {{Stub-Class}}, {{Needed-Class}}. For details, see Template:Grading scheme
- Issues = "NPOV", "V", "RS", "XP"
{{WikiProject Arabic names}} is added to the top of the talk pages of the article relevant to this project. This will make them appear on the Category:WikiProject Arabic names.
Articles
editTopics
edit| Quality | Issues | Article name |
| Arabic name | ||
| List of Arabic names | ||
| List of Arabic theophoric names | ||
| Arabic names for "lion" | ||
| Banu (Arabic) | ||
| Kunya (Arabic) | ||
| Nesbat (Arabic) | ||
| The article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nesbat_%28Arabic%29 is very weak. Some points:
(1) it is not true that Nisba is of Persian origin. It is found in a number of Semitic languages, and Ancient Egyptian long before the Persian language existed (See Moscati, Sabatino, An Introduction to Comparative Grammar of Semitic Languages sect. 12.23; (2) it is much more widely used in spoken and written Arabic than is indicated in your article - e.g. baykawkabiyy = "interplanetary”; (3) it possibly owes its wide extension of use in written Arabic to the needs of translating Greek texts in the Middle Ages. David Steinberg |
Abu (Arabic) | |
| Abd (Arabic) |
| Quality | Issues | Article name |
| Ansari (nesbat) | ||
| Baghdadi (nesbat) | ||
| Bukhari (nesbat) | ||
| Hanbali (nesbat) | ||
| Maqdisi (nesbat) | ||
| Tabataba'i (nesbat) | ||
| Zurqani (nesbat) | ||
| Thalabi (nesbat) |
Project Directory
editHello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages:
- User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory,
- User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory 2,
- User:Badbilltucker/Philosophy and religion Directory,
- User:Badbilltucker/Sports Directory,
- User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory,
- User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory/United States, (note: This page will be retitled to more accurately reflect its contents)
- User:Badbilltucker/History and society directory, and
- User:Badbilltucker/Science directory
and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now moved the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 14:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia Day Awards
editHello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Question
editThe "al-" prefix, which I understand to be the definite article in arabic languages, should it be spelled capitalised or uncapitalised? For example "al-Andalus" or "Al-Andalus", the "al-Aqsa Mosque" or the "Al-Aqsa Mosque"? Debresser (talk) 13:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
The europeanization of the sort order of articles on individuals with Arabic names
editForgive me if this is not the right place for this issue.
I have started a lot of articles on individuals with Arabic names. Good faith contributors used to routinely try to shoehorn those names into the European convention that individuals inherit the same last name as their father, grandfather, etc.
About a year and a half ago I had a series of discussions with User:JimCubb, who had taken a lead role in improving the completeness and accuracy of talk page templates for biographical articles. As a result of those discussions we agreed that the best way to protect articles about individuals with Arabic names would be to make sure those articles had a {{defaultsort}} which was set to the current name of the article.
Recently, a month or two ago, a contributor started europeanizing the sort order of hundreds of articles. They have asserted that the wikipedia's standards require all Arabic names be europeanized.
I've looked. I believe their assertion is mistaken.
I'd welcome advice about this europeanization issue.
Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 21:21, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Geo Swan asked me to look at this to see if it represented our discussion correctly. It does but could do with some explanation. At the time of our discussions most of the assigning of sort values was being done by bots that searched Category:Biography articles without listas parameter and set the sort value of the {{DEFAULTSORT}} on the article page as the value of the
|listas=. In order to prevent a bot from setting an incorrect sort value it is best to put the correct value as the argument of {{DEFAULTSORT}} on the article page and of|listas=on the talk page.
- I would like to know who has started europeanizing Arabic names. The guideline states that
If the article is titled "Forename Surname", the category should be added to the article as [[Category:Type X people|Surname, Forename]] (or: {{DEFAULTSORT:Surname, Forename}}) so that it will be sorted by surname.
- As most Arabic names are not in the format "Forename Surname", sorting by surname is not required. In many cases it is also impossible since the Arabic name may lack anything remotely resembling a surname. JimCubb (talk) 20:19, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
I have been sorting through Category:Names trying to move everything unnecessary out of it, so that it will be a useful category. In the course of this, I came across a number of articles on nisbats/nesbats, and I have created a category for them, in Category:Human names, because I thought that would be useful. If there are any such articles that I missed, or if you create more articles on nisbats, you might want to add this category. Brianyoumans (talk) 21:59, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
request
edithi, your expertise would be welcome at Talk:Wodjan Shaherkani. --MarioS (talk) 14:48, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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Shaykh al-Islām listed at Requested moves
edit A requested move discussion has been initiated for Shaykh al-Islām to be moved to Shaykh al-Islam. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 02:45, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
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Ammar (name)
editAmmar (name) was recently vandalized and fixed but I think there is still something wrong. It begins "Ammar (also spelled Ammar..." but that's not really a difference. It once read "Ammar (also spelled Amar..." (one '"m"). I think there's some leftover damage and I don't know enough to fix it.--Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 17:02, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Sheikh ul-Islam listed at Requested moves
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