Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Boxing

Draft:Daniel Hennessey (ring announcer)

Hey Can someone help me out please? I am not sure what to do next. I am pretty sure I am done. If i need to do more I can but I want to see if this is ready to be publish and how do i do that with this. for context here is this [1] [2]. Bennyaha (talk) 21:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of a group of articles

I've recently stumbled across a group of British boxers who I don't think are notable enough for Wikipedia pages, including Louis Norman, Thomas Essomba, Joe Maphosa, and a few other related fighters. Anyone have differing opinions on any of these fighters? I'd feel a bit bad going on deletion spree without some input. Most of these are out of date/don't follow the MOS so I'll try to update any we choose to keep around. ZenZekey (talk) 06:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Norman (challenged for a British title) and Essomba (won a European title) would fulfil notability, but not Maphosa as he doesn't appear to have challenged for any titles. Stratch that, I was going by an old edition of WP:NBOX. I would still say Essomba is worth keeping, because the European title is the highest regional achievement on the continent. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Appreciate the input! Essomba was the main one I was debating with myself. I'm traveling for the next couple days but when I'm back home I'll update his article and nominate the others for deletion. ZenZekey (talk) 17:05, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

2024 Olympics

For anyone in an article-creating mood, the 2024 Summer Olympics starts in 10 days and there are a number qualified boxers still missing articles, many of whom are likely notable. See here: 52 men's boxers and 39 women's boxers missing articles. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Revisiting rankings

In multiple boxer articles across Wikipedia, I have noticed and removed[3][4] the "dynamic" listings of rankings in the lead of their respective articles because a) they are often not regularly updated and more importantly (b) they are not cited to independent reliable sources outside of the ranking organisations themselves which causes WP:NOTCV and WP:UNDUE concerns. WP:LEADs are supposed to be summaries about major parts of the article. There was a previous discussion at WP:BOXING about the rankings where there didn't seem to be consensus about their inclusion in the lead.[5] I believe that if dynamic rankings are to be included anywhere, they should be in the infoboxes. Should there be a RfC about this to gain wider feedback outside the Wikiproject? Morbidthoughts (talk) 01:33, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

As far as divisional and all-time rankings go, I'd like to see the back of them. I particularly dislike BoxRec's "all-time greatest" dynamic rankings peppered everywhere. I've said it before that they're a chore to go around updating, and User:Morbidthoughts presents a good point with regards to WP:WEIGHT. Which are more credible—myriad outlets such as The Ring, TBRB, BoxRec, or ESPN; or the sanctioning bodies themselves? I think neither, really. I also would not mind getting rid of pound for pound rankings, although The Ring's rankings tend to get significant coverage whenever there's a clear world's number one. However, when it comes to TBRB and all the others being shoehorned into lead sections—who cares? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 23:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Imane Khelif

There are currently two RFCs at Talk:Imane Khelif. Interested editors are invited to participate at Talk:Imane Khelif#RfC lead and Talk:Imane Khelif#RfC on weight of "misinformation" in lead. TarnishedPath^talk 10:50, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Rocky Balboa (film)

Rocky Balboa (film) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 20:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Top Billed or Champion First in articles

As far as boxing match articles go, is it the champion that goes first or the top billed fighter that gets listed first. I generally listed the champion first in years past, but one such article I created, Terry Norris vs. Sugar Ray Leonard was moved to it's current title, Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Terry Norris as the poster for the fight billed Sugar Ray Leonard before the champion Terry Norris. Recently I just created Tavoris Cloud vs. Bernard Hopkins but with Hopkins first as he was billed before the champion Tavoris Cloud. Also, I see that Floyd Mayweather's fights (i.e. Victor Ortiz and Miguel Cotto) he is billed over the champions and that is reflected in the article. I'm fine with either way, just wanted to know the consensus for the titles.Beast from da East (talk) 04:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

It would be good to reach a consensus, as it's likely never been discussed. Articles being moved back and forth on a whim is not good practice. If we go by top billing on posters, we run into a problem if such posters cannot be found. The champion being listed first makes the most sense, although I have changed a few article titles in the past to reflect top billing over champion; Mayweather–Ortiz being one such example. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 12:55, 1 September 2024 (UTC)