Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Brazil/PLG Glossary

Purpose

The Introduction explains the purpose of this glossary. In brief: it's designed as an aid to Wikipedia editors writing English articles about topics from sources in Brazilian Portuguese. More specifically, in order to keep it to a reasonable size and make it useful to editors, the glossary is limited in scope to government, law, police, and criminal investigations. Off-topic items will be removed. Mathglot (talk) 00:41, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Icon links in entries

The following icons are in use in some headword entries to indicate links, as follows:

•  – English Wikipedia
•  – English Wiktionary
•  – Portuguese Wikipedia
•  – Portuguese Wiktionary

However these are not ideal; in particular the two Wiktionary tiles are too similar, and I'm not sure a Brazilian flag icon is a good visual for an article on pt-wiki. One could ask the graphics lab for help on this; maybe just adding a small 'pt' overlaying, or in the corner, of the standard gray Wikipedia for pt-wiki (and a slightly different gray or other color background?), and something similar for the Wiktionary tile for pt:wikt. Mathglot (talk) 09:25, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Instructions for adapting glossary entries in articles

Moved from Draft talk:Operation Car Wash investigation phases § Condução coercitiva

Regarding the request here for a way to simplify the adaptation of glossary entries for use in articles, I've modified the entry for Condução coercitiva as a trial of one possible approach to doing this. Feedback welcome. Mathglot (talk) 07:50, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

There are now some more examples, including the entries: WP:Brazil-G#Vantagem indevida, WP:Brazil-G#Colaboração premiada, and WP:Brazil-G#Delação premiada. Mathglot (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Discussing changes\additions

I'm going to propose some changes for consideration below. Here's the first one:

Proposed changes

Current Estelionato         Estelionato ("confidence game") is the crime of obtaining for oneself or someone else an unlawful advantage (vantagem ilícita) to the detriment of others, by misleading someone by deception or any other fraudulent means. One of several crimes that are considered a "#Crime contra crime contra o patrimônio". See #Penal Code Article 171. Estelionato has a secondary meaning of "phishing" in the context of e-mail spam. Suggested Estelionato         Estelionato ("confidence game") is the crime of obtaining for oneself or someone else an unlawful advantage (vantagem ilícita) to the detriment of others, by misleading someone by deception or any other fraudulent means. One of several crimes that are considered a "#Crime contra crime contra o patrimônio". See #Penal Code Article 171. The word "golpe" is a commonly used, less formal, synonym for "estelionato". ("golpe" also has many other meanings, like "blow\punch" and "coup"). "Phishing" is an example of estelionato\golpe in the context of e-mail spam. Related: scam; con job; fraud.

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Alternatively, a new entry for "golpe" could be added to the glossary.

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Rationale: take a look at this headline for example:

• Grupo suspeito de estelionato é preso em BH por golpes

Google translates this as:

• Suspected group of swindlers is arrested in BH for blows

A better way to translate that would be:

• Group of suspected swindlers is arrested in BH over scams

(BH = Belo Horizonte = a city)

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Another example:

• Extensa, ficha criminal revela hacker da Lava Jato autor de múltiplos golpes 171: Em vários dos procedimentos abertos, Delgatti responde pelo artigo de estelionato do Código Penal

Google translates this as:

• Extensive, criminal record reveals Lava Jato hacker author of multiple scams 171: In several of the open proceedings, Delgatti is responsible for the article on the Criminal Code's fraud

A better way to translate that would be:

• Extensive criminal record reveals that Lava Jato's hacker authored multiple "171" scams: In several proceedings, Delgatti is accused of violating the Criminal Code's article related to fraud.

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\\ - Daveout(talk) 22:17, 16 October 2020 (UTC)