Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fisheries and Fishing/Archive 5

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Help needed: American lobster

I have been gradually improving our article on the American lobster, and I've finished most of what I can do. The main outstanding task is to provide references for the fisheries section (or rewrite it with references). Can anyone here help? I know very little about fishing and fisheries, particularly in the United States, so any assistance would be much appreciated. --Stemonitis (talk) 06:03, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to assist in adding donated content: GLAM/ARKive

Hi,

I am the Wikipedia Outreach Ambassador to ARKive, who have kindly agreed to donate an initial 200 article texts about endangered species from their project, to Wikipedia, under a CC-BY-SA license. Details are on the GLAM/ARKive project page. The donated texts include many about fishes. Your help, to merge the donated texts into articles, would be appreciated. Guidelines for doing so are also on the above page. Once articles have been expanded using the donated texts, we are also seeking assistance in having those articles translated into other languages. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns, on the project's talk page, or my own. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 14:58, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Template that needs some work

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Fishing_location_topics - is anyone interested in separating USA states from other places? - surely there are other locations that could help create fishing location into separate continent or ocean/sea templates - with Australia as a part of a group of US states is really odd - either there is not much fishing article work being done anymore - or something is wrong... SatuSuro 06:52, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Waal... that was a template I wrote some years ago when I was trying to sort out the fishing articles. My expectation was that, over time, more articles about recreational fishing specific to different localities would appear. That hasn't happened so far, though I still expect it will, given enough time. They are obvious articles waiting to be written. So really its just a template which hasn't come into its own yet. I don't think it matters what happens to it at this stage. Australia could be removed, and it could be renamed something like "Recreational fishing in the United States. Or it could just be deleted. But I don't see much point in making either of those moves right now. It's not doing much harm, and it might prompt someone to write articles for it. Eventually enough articles will be written to clothe it more respectably, and it can be rationalised then. If it is to be kept, it should probably be rewritten as a footer template, not a side template. --Epipelagic (talk) 08:23, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

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Shrimps and prawns

  You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Shrimp#Caridea, Dendrobranchiata, Shrimp and Prawns. Does the term shrimp refer to a taxon or to a common name, and what is the scope of the shrimp and prawn articles? – Epipelagic (talk) 03:04, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Fishing vs fishing industry articles

Category:Fishing by country contains a mix of fishing and fishing industry articles. In the long term there should be articles that will fit Category:Fishing by country and a Category:Fishing industry by country. Meanwhile, the current set of articles should be checked to see it they are correctly titled as "Fishing in [Country]" or "Fishing industry in [Country]". -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 02:05, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Better categories might be Category:Recreational fishing by country, and either Category:Industrial fishing by country or Category:Commercial fishing by country. But many more articles are needed before there is much point in this split. --Epipelagic (talk) 03:16, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Is seafood a subset of cuisine?

Should articles on seafood be given titles that restrict them to cuisines, as a user maintains in this thread? There is a referral for comment on this issue where members of this project are invited to give their views. --Epipelagic (talk) 23:12, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

RfC on the use of flag icons for sportspeople

An RfC discussion about the MOS:FLAG restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion here. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:55, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Environmental impact of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill

There is a discussion if the Environmental impact of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill was split correctly from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill and if it should be merged back there. Relevant sections for this discussion are this and this. Your comments are appreciated. Thank you. Beagel (talk) 21:47, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Aquaculture by country

I created a Aquaculture by country page per WP:CLT. It is just a list but it deserves to be a fully fledged article. An Aquaculture in the United States article is a notable omission. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:34, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Sections merge request (Fisheries certification)

Hello, I'd like to kindly suggest that sections from three articles be merged to produce a new article on Fisheries certification. The three articles and their respective sections are:

Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 23:41, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Gosh, this is the fourth different place where you have raised the same issue. The thread continues on Talk:Sustainable fishery. --Epipelagic (talk) 02:01, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Just trying to cover all the bases. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 02:20, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

File:Florence 2008.jpg

File:Florence 2008.jpg has been nominated for deletion. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 23:28, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

HMT Alvis at sea.jpg

image:HMT Alvis at sea.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:14, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Missing topics page

I have updated Missing topics about Fish - Skysmith (talk) 09:13, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Rainbow trout nominated for GA

I've been upgrading the Rainbow trout article for the last couple of weeks. Essentially it was very unbalanced with too much emphasis on steelhead, instead on the type species Oncorhynchus mykiss and associated subspecies. The Rainbow trout is a complex topic and I trust I've made sufficient changes to warrant Good Article status. Any suggestions or help from this project would be appreciated.--Mike Cline (talk) 02:59, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Rainbow trout achieved GA status last week and I've requested a Peer review in advance of an attempt at FA status. Any feedback is welcome. --Mike Cline (talk) 14:58, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Cutthroat trout nominated for GA

I've just completed the overhaul of Cutthroat trout and put it up for GA. Any feedback will be appreciated. Thanks --Mike Cline (talk) 17:52, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Category:Introduced freshwater fish and all associated subcats have been proposed for deletion.

Category:Introduced freshwater fish (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been proposed for deletion, as well as all sub-cats, including:
Category:Introduced freshwater fish by country, Category:Introduced freshwater fish of South Africa, Category:Introduced freshwater fish of Argentina, Category:Introduced freshwater fish of Australia, Category:Introduced freshwater fish of Chile, Category:Introduced freshwater fish of Madagascar, Category:Introduced freshwater fish of New Zealand, Category:Introduced freshwater fish of Papua New Guinea, Category:Introduced freshwater fish of Ukraine, Category:Introduced freshwater fish of the United States, Category:Introduced freshwater fish by continent, Category:Introduced freshwater fish of Africa, Category:Introduced freshwater fish of Oceania, Category:Introduced freshwater fish of New Guinea, Category:Introduced freshwater fish of South America, Category:Introduced freshwater fish of Hawaii.
Anyone wishing to comment may do so at the categories' entries for AfD. __ E L A Q U E A T E 18:18, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

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Cutthroat trout peer review

Cutthroat trout has been nominated for a peer review Wikipedia:Peer review/Cutthroat trout/archive1 in preparation for a FAC push. Any inputs welcome. Thanks --Mike Cline (talk) 22:43, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Cutthroat trout at FAC

Have just loaded up Cutthroat trout at FAC. Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cutthroat trout/archive1 All reviews welcome. --Mike Cline (talk) 18:26, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Adams Fly

Hello, fishing enthusiasts. This old draft article will soon be deleted as stale. Is this a notable piece of fishing equipment, and should the article be kept and improved instead? —Anne Delong (talk) 03:20, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

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Brook trout nominated for GA status

I've just nominated Brook trout for GA review. Any willing reviewers from this project interested? --Mike Cline (talk) 17:40, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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Dear fisheries experts: I is there anything useful in this old AfC submission that should bee merged into another article before it's deleted as a stale draft? Or should the draft be kept and improved? —Anne Delong (talk) 18:32, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

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List of the most commonly harvested fish

It is new and could use some feedback and shaping. I will add images shortly.

I just realized that it ought to be List of most commonly harvested fish or something. You pick! Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:45, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

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Data issues at Fish farming

On checking up on the sources, values of aquaculture production as reported in Fish_farming#Major_species seem off. Interested editors might want to drop by at Talk:Fish_farming#Major_Species_table_data_seem_spurious and comment.-- Elmidae 12:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

 

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Forceful editorial promotion of the euphemistic term "harvesting"

Several editors, particularly Elmidae (see his talk page), stubbornly insist on using the euphemistic term "harvesting" with regard to the Atlantic goliath grouper, keep deleting the more neutral term "fishing", disregard both linguistic and zoological arguments against "harvesting," and fail to offer any specific arguments against "fishing." Note that I supported my arguments with accurate source references (including publication data, page numbers, and links), whereupon Elmidae merely made a vague and unspecific claim that he could support his position by numerous publications if he wanted to do so, but he never cited any specific source.114.206.49.189 (talk) 16:40, 9 May 2020 (UTC) If linguistic analysis is used, the term "harvesting" can be clearly identified as an euphemism, rather than a scientific term, if the referred species is the Atlantic goliath grouper. See the following linguistic definition of negative euphemism: "Negative euphemisms deflate and diminish. They replace language that people prefer to avoid using. Examples include harvesting in place of killing, collateral damage instead of civilian casualties or deaths, relationship for sexual relationship, and intestinal fortitude in place of guts," in https://www.writingenglish.com/euphemism.htm . In Robert W. Holder's "Oxford Dictionary of Euphemisms" (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2008), the verb "harvest" is described as a mainly American euphemism and defined as "to kill for personal gratification." (p. 209). The use of negative euphemisms, particularly if these are less common in British or Australian English than in U.S. English, is at variance with Wikipedia's principle of neutrality. By this logic, one could similarly use the euphemistic term "sweat" (Schweiss) for the blood of a wounded game animal, as this term is commonly used in German hunting language ( http://wiredtohunt.com/2012/08/09/bowhunting-whitetails-the-eberhart-way-killing-deer-not-harvesting/ ). But since Wikipedia does refrain from calling blood "sweat," the term "fishing" should be similarly preferred over "harvesting" as far as it is used for the Atlantic goliath grouper, a species that was never kept in fish farms. See Wikipedia's own definition of euphemism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism . It clearly states that the purpose of this practice is avoidance, mitigation, understatement, substitution, metaphoric expression, circumlocution, etc., none of which is compatible with the principles of a Wikipedia entry. If one wants to argue in favor of "harvesting," one either needs to prove that a preference for euphemistic terms ('harvesting") over factual ones ("fishing") is compatible with Wikipedia's principles, or one needs to disprove that "harvesting" is an euphemistic term if applied to a wild population, or one needs to prove that the "Oxford Dictionary of Euphemisms" represents a minority and personal opinion in defining which words are euphemistic and which aren't. Wikipedia's own definition of "harvest" mentions the application of the term to fishing and hunting only with regard to Canada, whereas its glossary of fishing terms clearly specifies that the term "harvest" refers to a specific element of fishing: "the number or weight of fish caught and retained from a given area over a given period of time. Note that landings, catch, and harvest are different." As such, this is not a valid argument to dismiss the generic term "fishing" in favor of a euphemistic term whose use is geographically and semantically more limited than that of "fishing."114.206.49.189 (talk) 16:44, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

The editor has also started the same discussion at Talk:Atlantic goliath grouper. Suggest confining it to one venue (anyone is welcome to move my comments over here if desired). The rather exhausting run-up is at my talk page. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:28, 9 May 2020
Since the relevant section at Talk:Atlantic goliath grouper has been deleted, this latest attempt to "confine" and curtail the discussion has lost any justification. 114.206.49.189 (talk) 17:45, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
What the hell are you waffling on about. You deleted that section yourself, which is fine and hopefully makes everyone stick to this one (although a link would have been sensible - will add one). This will be more productive if you shed the victim role. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:09, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

It would be more productive if you provided factual arguments and cited sources to support your position instead of using such abusive and threatening language like "hell," "waffling," "out", "give up," and the like.114.206.49.189 (talk) 18:40, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

My reply copied from User_talk:Ifnord#Harvesting for any new participants in this discussion:
  • Hello. I am not the user whose talk page you commented on; however, I also reverted your edits to Atlantic goliath grouper. I think the issue here is that you are conflating two different definitions for harvest. The verb "harvest" is not being used in the sense of harvesting a crop, but in the sense of catching animals. For example, Verb 1.1: [to] catch or kill (animals) for human consumption or Verb 1a: to gather, catch, hunt, or kill (salmon, oysters, deer, etc.) for human use, sport, or population control userdude 19:42, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
@114.206.49.189: Correct me if I'm wrong, but your issue seems to be that "harvest" implies that the fish are being caught for resources, but they are actually being caught for sport. There are two issues with this. The first is that the second definition above (Merriam-Webster, American English) includes catching for sport in the definition of "harvest". The second is that I'm not sure the assertion that these fish are being caught for sport is accurate, you'd need a reliable source for that. (If you are not claiming they are being caught for sport, but just that they were never farmed, I fail to see why the term harvest is not applicable — for example, one might say "hunter-gatherers harvest wild plants, fish, and game".) userdude 20:05, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
If I may interpret. The user thinks that "harvest" is a euphemism chosen to disguise the fact that fish are killed - see this edit and a string of similar ones. Over a series of reverts they have since backpedalled from pushing gems like this one to putting up a rearguard action against the specific term "harvest", and chosen to hang the entire thing on the hook that goliath grouper were never farmed - which, as you are aware, is entirely beside the point, but as long as one can lawyer about it, hey great. - Argh, I shouldn't comment here anymore, I'm just getting worked up. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 20:19, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

It can be very easily proven that "harvesting" is an euphemistic term, rather than a neutral one. Since Elmidae claims expertise in ornithological matters, he may be kind to explain if it would be appropriate to use the verb "harvest" to the massive hunting of songbirds in France, Italy, and some other Mediterranean countries. Note the following similarities with the Atlantic goliath grouper: the affected species were regularly used for human consumption but they were never bred or kept in farms for this purpose, and they were hunted/fished also for purposes of sport. If Elmidae is of the opinion that it would be inappropriate to use the term "harvesting" for the killing of songbirds, he should explain why it would be more appropriate to use it for the Atlantic goliath grouper and why it should be preferred over the term "fishing"; otherwise, his preference for it is merely an arbitrary and subjective one.114.206.49.189 (talk) 04:46, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

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New article

Hey gang! I created an article for Virgil Ward, can't believe it wasn't already there. I only have basic information but I figure some enthusiasts would all like to jump on board for this one!--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:50, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

"Fishing television series"

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First powered Icelandic fishing boat

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