Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jazz/Archives/2012 1

WP Jazz in the Signpost

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Jazz for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 00:12, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Just a friendly reminder that we'll be publishing the WikiProject Jazz article in the Signpost next week. We already have responses from one contributor, but we always like to showcase a project's many voices. For anyone who wants to be included, this is the last chance to answer the interview questions. -Mabeenot (talk) 22:00, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Articles for deletion discussions

There's a jazz related discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shelley Scown. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 10:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC) (now concluded)

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victorian Jazz Archive - new 6/1/12. AllyD (talk) 20:56, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa Young Quartet - new 10/1/12. AllyD (talk) 08:04, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Jazz will have interest in putting on events related to women's roles in jazz history and culture; as performers, subjects, promoters, etc. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 19:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

help with formatting discography

Hello,

could someone with more experience than myself please have a look at the "Recordings" section of the article Vyacheslav Ganelin and check whether they are formatted properly?

Thank you very much, Sasha (talk) 16:41, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

To me, everything looks OK. Thanks for your excellent improvements! --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 17:51, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Sasha. I'm sorry, but I rewrote virtually the whole list. Please, have a look! --MenkinAlRire (talk) 21:26, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

why should you apologise? You have done exactly what I have asked, thank you very much for the help! Sasha (talk) 18:56, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Leader/Sideman

The standard for formatting the sideman sections is not desirabe; it's supposed to be alphabetical but never is; it's never chronological either and just looks bad. I'd like to see a sortable table implemented as in the Elvin Jones sideman section. Please comment if you agree or disagree.Cosprings (talk) 15:06, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Canadian Jazz albums

Hello WikiJazz. I plan on adding all items in Category:Jazz albums by Canadian artists to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Canadian music. I will add any to this project that aren't already. My question is do you want me to assign an importance rating? Leaving it as unknown works for me as it is less work. I thought I'd ask as I see you have a backlog of 10K+ of such articles. Argolin (talk) 14:27, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

• I think it is only the articles for albums in the likes of the List of Core Collection albums in The Penguin Guide to Jazz that have been consciously allocated an Importance rating? So for example Kenny Wheeler's Music for Large & Small Ensembles which may come into your scope. AllyD (talk) 14:53, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, fair enough. Should I not bother? I think I understand. Just because someone added them to this category, doe not mean they fall within this project's scope. On a semi-related matter, I added a link to your statistics assessment log on your main page. Argolin (talk) 00:17, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

(Sorry for the late response.) I'd assume that anything within Category:Jazz albums by Canadian artists is most likely within the scope of WP:JAZZ. Lack of an Importance assessment probably just means that no one got around to it. Feel free to add an importance rating if you want – the guideline I like to use is, "If we were making a printed encyclopedia about jazz, how important would it be to include this article?" (I don't think that's really the intent behind importance ratings, but for me it's a useful way to make these kinds of judgments.) Hope this helps, in spite of the tardiness... -- Gyrofrog (talk) 03:40, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Articles for deletion discussions

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aalener Jazzfest AllyD (talk) 18:18, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
• List_of_Core_Collection_albums_in_The_Penguin_Guide_to_Jazz AllyD (talk) 13:27, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/James_Hurt AllyD (talk) 19:37, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Crown albums in The Penguin Guide to Jazz (as expected) -- Gyrofrog (talk) 23:11, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Hamilton (musician). AllyD (talk) 18:03, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jazzland Recordings AllyD (talk) 16:00, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

allmusic Top 20

For what it's worth, allmusic has released a list of "their favorite and most notable jazz albums" released between 1992 and 2012 (link). These albums from the list are currently red links:

• Jane Bunnett – Spirits of Havana (1993)
• James Carter – JC on the Set (1994)
• Horace Tapscott – Aiee! the Phantom (1995)
• Don Byron – Bug Music (1996)
• Tom Harrell – Art of the Rhythm (1998)
• David S. Ware – Godspelized (1998)
• Brad Mehldau Trio – The Art of the Trio, Vol. 4: Back at the Vanguard (1999)
• Jason Moran – Black Stars (2001)
• Grachan Moncur III – Exploration (2004)
• Craig Taborn – Junk Magic (2004)
• Roy Hargrove – Earfood (2008)
• Vijay Iyer Trio – Historicity (2009)
• William Parker – I Plan to Stay a Believer: The Inside Songs of Curtis Mayfield (2010)
• Matthew Shipp – Art of the Improviser (2011)

-- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:26, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Including changes and scale associations in song articles

I had a discussion on Talk:Naima with OrenBochman, because I think chord changes should mostly not be included in song articles, and scale associations certainly not. Please comment. Lennartack (talk) 09:48, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

A suggestion was made at Talk:Naima that including the chord changes would "allow jazz players to practice the changes." I really think that falls under WP:NOTHOWTO, thus it is not a good reason for including them. That said, I would not say that chord changes have no place at all on Wikipedia, but I also believe that simply dropping in the chord changes – without accompanying (sourced) description and/or commentary – runs afoul of WP:INDISCRIMINATE. My $0.02.

P.S. I left a note at Talk:Naima about the RfC taking place on this page. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:18, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

In some cases where the changes have been analyzed in independent reliable sources it may be relevant to add information about them in the song article (I Got Rhythm being the obvious example). If they can't be sourced to independent sources apart from sheet music publications, I don't think they belong in the article. Self-made analysis should IMO also be removed as it can't be attributed to a reliable source. Jafeluv (talk) 06:18, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

• What Jafeluv said. "I Got Rhythm" is is notable in part because of its chord changes, which are so famous they have their own name. That's different that adding in chord-related original research, or even chord changes that can be sourced to sheet music, but for which there is no reliable source that their changes are encyclopedically noteworthy. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 17:22, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

The importance classification of the articles has NPOV issues

In my view, this classification is not assessed by the community, anyone can change the rating at his wish following his own opinions. There are many inconsistencies. For example there are many albums marked as "top importance", which is at least questionable, where their authors are not. E.g. Virtuoso (Joe Pass album) is top importance but Joe Pass is not. Thanks.--Fauban 12:53, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

• See the past discussions about the Importance classification and what might provide a criterion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Jazz/Archives/2010_1#Jazz_articles_have_been_selected_for_the_Wikipedia_0.8_release and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Jazz/Archives/2010_1#Talk_page_template_and_the_Importance_rating. (Unfortunately for this, the Penguin Core Collection list was deleted subsequently.) AllyD (talk) 08:25, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Minority

There's an ongoing article submission at AFC for Minority (Gigi Gryce song). If someone is familiar with the subject, feel free to contribute. Jafeluv (talk) 15:58, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I've moved the article to the main space, see Minority (Gigi Gryce song). The song is a notable jazz classic, the article is now sufficiently referenced, and it is possible to find out more, see i. e. this. Please let me know if you have any objections. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 06:41, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

2 jazz saxophonists

Just a heads up, it's courtesy to tag articles for relevant projects but such tags only activate project alerts on the 1st listed article in a 20 article RM, so jazz players Tran Manh Tuan → Trần Mạnh Tuấn and Quyen Van Minh → Quyền Văn Minh won't trigger an alert at this project, but in the unlikely event any one is interested, a bot should leave directions on those 2 articles Talk pages. Cheers In ictu oculi (talk) 07:30, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Ralph Patt

Jazz-guitarist Ralph Patt's new article needs a picture. :)

Its Did You Know nomination

• ... that the music of Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, and Arnold Schoenberg inspired jazz guitarist Ralph Patt to introduce major-thirds tuning?

was reviewed by Dr. Blofeld, and Ralph Patt shall continue to appear on the main page today and tomorrow. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:10, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Naming conventions for list articles (as relates to songs)

There is a discussion regarding the naming of list articles as it applies to songs at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs. Interested parties may like to have a look and comment. This is message is posted at other projects. Of particular interest to this project might be the requested moves for Talk:List of Frank Sinatra songs and Talk:List of Harry Connick, Jr. songs --Richhoncho (talk) 09:44, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Template talk:WikiProject Jazz#Infobox requests

You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:WikiProject Jazz#Infobox requests. Gyrofrog (talk) 18:36, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 October 22#Category:African jazz guitarists

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 October 22#Category:African jazz guitarists. Gyrofrog (talk) 17:23, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Spoken word soul

The article Spoken word soul has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

The artists mentioned in this article have all combined spoken word with musical accompaniment. However, someone seems to have retroactively applied "spoken word soul" to what are actually diverse styles of music, possibly based on a quote from Shades of J (who released an album called Spoken World Soul). See Talk:Spoken word soul.

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Deletion discussions

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Curling Legs AllyD (talk) 21:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grant Green, Jr. AllyD (talk) 22:46, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Livetronica

The article Livetronica has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Single reference is a self-published primary source and doesn't really corroborate any claims made in this article (other than the meaning of the portmanteau). Tagged with {{Refimprove}} since May 2007.

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P.S. I had already removed the WP:JAZZ banner from the article's talk page, as it doesn't seem to be within the scope of this project (see also comments from 2010). The article is still listed in {{Jazzbox}}. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:59, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

• I've added some commentary on Talk:Livetronica#Prod_and_the_notability_of_the_term. (Not an enthusiast for over-categorisation of music "genres" but I think this one does get around.) AllyD (talk) 22:13, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Urban jazz

The article Urban jazz has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unsourced since March 2007. Some websites (primary sources) describe "urban jazz" as a radio format, but if this is a distinct musical style, usual sources (like allmusic) do not offer any definition.

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Nomination of Urban jazz for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Urban jazz is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Urban jazz until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Gyrofrog (talk) 21:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Duke Ellington

Duke Ellington was listed as A class, although I could find no discussion of its assessment. It seems to have had no good article nomination, and now it is not at GA status.

I reassessed it at B. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 12:23, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Ralph Patt and Major thirds tuning

Ralph Patt was declared a good article recently.

Major thirds tuning is having a good article nomination. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 12:25, 10 December 2012 (UTC)