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List of South Korean girl groups has an RfC

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Breve template

Just created Template:Breve for substituting in a breved character (used for McCune–Reischauer). This will save people the trouble of copy+pasting or following the technical steps to enable typing breves. seefooddiet (talk) 09:11, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Feedback requested at Talk:Aegyo

Your feedback would be appreciated at Talk:Aegyo#Why Korea? Request also sent to WP:ASIA. Sohryu Asuka Langley Not Shikinami (talk) 08:44, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Help finding sources?

(I was wondering if anyone could help find sources for the film The Man with Two Faces (1975 film) 공포의 이중인간 ). The article is up for deletion and it would be great if someone could check for sources in Korean. I am using Google Translate so I'm limited to just what can get translated easily - since the film is older, I have a feeling that if sourcing does exist, it's potentially going to in places I can't use Google Translate. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 14:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Here's some coverage in sources considered reliable by WP:KO/RS

• https://www.kmdb.or.kr/story/74/1663 - review/retrospective on the film
• https://www.kmdb.or.kr/story/10/5427 - discusses the Frankenstein narrative of the film
• https://www.hankookilbo.com/News/Read/201909201405360300 - Article discussing 100 years of Korean cinema, director Lee Yong-min's love of horror films and how this film is the Korean adaptation of Frankenstein
• https://www.newsis.com/view/NISX20140227_0012753607 - Film included in an exhibition by the Korean Film Archive highlighting the best villains in Korean films
• https://www.kmdb.or.kr/story/154/4714 - Same as above, an exhibition on "Korea's greatest villains"
• https://www.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20140227189300005 - Similar coverage as above
• https://www.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2014/02/27/2014022704170.html - Similar coverage as above
• https://www.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20061228186000041 - Restoration of the film by Korean Film Archive (among other films) over a three year period, then exhibited by the Archive
• https://www.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20180517077700005 - In this article an author (Kwak Jae-sik) is discussing how he watches old/"failed" films and uses this film for writing inspiration
• https://www.hani.co.kr/arti/culture/movie/181500.html - Another article on the film's restoration by Korean Film Archive
• https://www.seoul.co.kr/news/society/science-news/2018/05/16/20180516023004 - This is one of those "sci-fi is becoming reality" pieces about "memories by injection" - snails are taught sensory responses, then their RNA is extracted, and implanted into other snails, and they find the sensory responses transfer. The article references that it is similar to a plot point in the film where the memories of a corpse are transplanted into the main character.

"공포의 이중인간" translates literally as "The Double Man of Terror" so if you're reading it with machine translation that's probably what the title will show.

Easily enough coverage there, and its inclusion in the Korean Film Archive means it meets criteria #4 in WP:NFO at the very least, and likely #2 as well for being selected as a film that portrays the greatest Korean villains. RachelTensions (talk) 16:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Demographics on Korean clans

I'm trying to complete the incomplete list on Korean clans with population data. However, the source for it (source n.2, [1]) is now a permanent deadlink with no archive. I can't find whether there is (or has been) another survey online with an intact url. There's a naver blog post which still has the data([2]), but I assume it still wouldn't be considered a reliable source. -- 00101984hjw (talk) 22:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Is this it? [3] Idk why documents would be in .exe format but links work and download (I have no idea what they do, I have a Mac)

Link retrieved from Statistics Korea here: [4] RachelTensions (talk) 22:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

The link you found only elaborates on the outlines on the methodology of the census, and not actual census data. Although, it does say here that family clans were surveyed during the census, so I'm hopeful the actual census results would have something useful. Thanks anyways. -- 00101984hjw (talk) 22:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Here is a direct download link for the bon-gwan report from the 2015 census: 2015년 인구주택총조사보고서 전수조사결과(성씨본관편).pdf. Not sure if anything similar is available for the 2020 census. -- Visviva (talk) 23:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you -- 00101984hjw (talk) 23:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

One more thing - does anyone here know whether Korean family clan seals are in public domain? It appears that many of them were created during the Japanese colonial era, and I believe some may be designs copyrighted by clan associations. Samhanin created a bunch of those a few years ago and released them as public domain.([5], [6], etc.) - 00101984hjw (talk) 04:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Think it'll be case-by-case basis. If a seal is provably old enough it's probably in public domain.

Side note, I'm not sure what the copyright situation is for both of those seals. The license given for both of those pictures is that This image of simple geometry is ineligible for copyright and therefore in the public domain, because it consists entirely of information that is common property and contains no original authorship. but especially if the shape involves things like dragons I think they may be pretty distinct designs.

In other words, if the Gimhae Kim clan seal was originally created in a time that still has copyright protection (e.g. if the seal was created in 1970), the Wikimedia Commons license could be wrong and it could actually be a copyright violation.

On the other hand, some other seals could genuinely be pretty simple geometric shapes and be ineligible for copyright. The Gyeongju Kim one may lean closer to that, but I'm not sure. seefooddiet (talk) 04:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

While I'd hate to lose them from Commons, I'm afraid most of them may not be old enough to be in the public domain area ([7]). While I can't find any information on the specific dates of creation, many seals were allegedly created post-2016. Almost all of them seem too contemporary for a design created prior to the 1920s. 00101984hjw (talk) 05:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Asked someone on discord and they said the Gimhae Kim clan logo is not simple enough. If it was created post-2016 it's a copyvio. But shh, if you don't tell anyone else they're copyvios I won't tell anyone.

On the other hand, the Gwangsan Kim clan logo is pretty clearly simple enough to be copyright free I think. Same with the Danyang U clan logo. Anything that's just basic shapes or letters in a reasonably standard font is copyright free. seefooddiet (talk) 05:09, 27 November 2024 (UTC)