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Should we include Latin music festivals as part of our project?
Currently, the iHeartRadio Fiesta Latina, Austin City Limits Music Festival, Sacramento Film and Music Festival, and the SXSW are the only Latin music festivals that has a Wikipedia page. Other Latin music festivals includes the Chicago Latin Music Festival (hosted annually at the Petrillo Music Shell), The Uforia Music Festival, Seattle Latin American Music Festival, Soulfrito, The Latin Music Festival of Southern Maryland, Latin Urban Fest, DC Bachata Music Festival, City of Miramar Latin Music Festival, Spanish Peaks International Celtic Music Festival, Heart O' Texas Fair & Rodeo, Cuero Turkeyfest, The Hola Festival, New York International Salsa Dance & Music Festival, Miami Salsa Congress, Pachanga Latino Musical Festival, NYC South American Music Festival, Latin Music Festival at Santa Anita Park, Festival Latino, and the Fiesta de la Flor (I'll take care of this one), and many more; I got tired of searching on Google lolz. So should we include these festivals dedicated to Latin music and culture to our project or do they fear better at WP:LATINOS? Best, jona(talk) 15:44, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- @AJona1992: Sorry for the late response, but if other music festivals such as country and rock are covered by their respective projects, then I don't see why the Latin music project can't cover Latin music festivals. Erick (talk) 18:11, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- I'll tag them to our Wikiproject. Best, jona(talk) 19:15, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
RM at Eres tú (Mocedades song)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Eres tú (Mocedades song)#Requested move 3 May 2015, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Scolaire (talk) 13:43, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Articles for creation?
So guys, I've been cycling through my music library, searching for bands and musicians that could potentially have an article here, and I decided to check this project's main page to see if there's any list of articles to be created. Our to-do list indeed says we should "Identify articles for creation", but where should we list them? Maybe we could built our own list of missing articles. And each time someone adds a missing topic, they should also provide a brief description of what the topic is about, so that potentially interested editors can search for articles they'd feel like creating. I will have a list of some names soon, I intend to create them someday, but of course I would be happy if someone did it first. And maybe there are more editors with similar lists that wouldn't mind other people working on them. Victão Lopes Fala! 04:02, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
- @Victor Lopes: Great idea! I was also just to begin discussion about the project's assessment page regarding the addition of quality scale and importance scale, something that the Hip hop and Albums projects have. I mean, we might list of songs that went #1 on the Hot Latin Songs in the US as well as #1 songs in Brazil and Spain. Then there's the recordings that have been inducted into the Latin Grammy Hall of Fame Award that should be created as well. Erick (talk) 06:10, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
- I agree, I started my list of articles that I believe should be created by importance to our scope back in March 2015. Best, jona(talk) 12:56, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
- Nice! Can we centralize all those potential articles somewhere? We could divide them in shorter lists (bands, musicians, albums, songs, etc.) At first, I will only look for bands and musicians. Victão Lopes Fala! 17:08, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
- I have completed my list, you can check it here: User:Victor Lopes#Currently working on. Links in bold are the ones referring to Latin artists. Victão Lopes Fala! 02:52, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- Just had a look at the list and it's pretty good. The only ones who wouldn't be covered by the project are those who don't perform in Spanish or Portuguese but I imagine that's only a few. Do you know of any non-Latin artists that sing in Spanish or Portuguese that have been successful in the Latin market that the project could use? Erick (talk) 03:45, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, quite a few of them perform in English, though some of these have Latin-flavoured instrumental works, anyway. I don't know any artist like that. Manu Chao, maybe, since he was born in France? Don't know where he currently resides. Victão Lopes Fala! 18:45, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- Yep, he's covered by the project too since he has been nominated a few Latin music awards by singing in Spanish. There's several Italian artists who are covered by this project such as Laura Pausini and Eros Ramazzotti because they also sing in Spanish and won several Latin music awards. An artist or band doesn't need to have a Hispanic or Latino background to be in the project scope so long as they sing in Spanish or Portuguese for the Latin audience. And it's nice to know some of the musicians play Latin music since we could also benefit from that. I just use the Latin Recording Academy's definition of Latin music for the project scope since I think it's the one that makes the most sense personally. Erick (talk) 19:08, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, there's Yanni! He's Greek-American. He has even released an entire album dedicated to Mexican music... and there are also a couple more songs by him with Latin elements. Still, that wold be probably less than 10% of his discography, so I don't know if it falls within our scope. Victão Lopes Fala! 21:27, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- Yep, he's covered by the project too since he has been nominated a few Latin music awards by singing in Spanish. There's several Italian artists who are covered by this project such as Laura Pausini and Eros Ramazzotti because they also sing in Spanish and won several Latin music awards. An artist or band doesn't need to have a Hispanic or Latino background to be in the project scope so long as they sing in Spanish or Portuguese for the Latin audience. And it's nice to know some of the musicians play Latin music since we could also benefit from that. I just use the Latin Recording Academy's definition of Latin music for the project scope since I think it's the one that makes the most sense personally. Erick (talk) 19:08, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, quite a few of them perform in English, though some of these have Latin-flavoured instrumental works, anyway. I don't know any artist like that. Manu Chao, maybe, since he was born in France? Don't know where he currently resides. Victão Lopes Fala! 18:45, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- Just had a look at the list and it's pretty good. The only ones who wouldn't be covered by the project are those who don't perform in Spanish or Portuguese but I imagine that's only a few. Do you know of any non-Latin artists that sing in Spanish or Portuguese that have been successful in the Latin market that the project could use? Erick (talk) 03:45, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- I agree, I started my list of articles that I believe should be created by importance to our scope back in March 2015. Best, jona(talk) 12:56, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
I've actually thought about him before, but as you mentioned, I don't think he's done enough Latin recordings to be covered by the project. At the very least, I've tagged his Latin albums for the time being a while ago. I've also tagged Christina Aguilera and Nelly Furtado since they've also done some Latin recordings but I'm not sure if they've done enough to merit their inclusions on the project scope yet. Currently on the project page I have it written that artists and bands are covered if they often record in Spanish or Portuguese, so maybe we could say at least 10%-50% of their total recordings as a minimum requirement? Erick (talk) 21:57, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- 50% at least, I guess. It'll keep things as focused as possible. Victão Lopes Fala! 23:21, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- I think that's fair enough and I added that requirement. Though there are some artists that I think are too important to not cover such as Eydie Gorme (she's recorded a good amount of Latin recordings) as well as the Italian artists that I've mentioned (even though 50% of their recordings are probably in Spanish anyway) so I also mentioned that artists and bands that frequently crossover to the Latin market by singing in Spanish or Portuguese can be added too. That way artists who have only made one Latin crossover recording don't get in. I just have one more question for you and this is something I've been asking other members of the project. Would you be okay if the project expands its scope to include Spanish/Portuguese-language versions of a song by a non Latin artist? Currently, the project only allows Spanish/Portuguese versions of a song by Latin artists because I have been afraid getting backlash by other users of Wikipedia. But so far, the other members of the project that I've don't seem to mind and one user who isn't a member of the project was very open about it (he's a Rihanna fan and wanted me to tag Hate That I Love You for its Spanglish version with the Latin music banner). In a way, I think it could be beneficial to the project because it might attract new members to project and the Spanish/Portuguese versions are usually meant to appeal to the Latin audience anyway. Thoughts? Erick (talk) 02:24, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
- Ain't got anything against it, these versions are always targeted at Latin audiences, anyway. Victão Lopes Fala! 17:38, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
- I don't think we should set the bar that high, artists who record Spanish-language or "Latin music" only do so in their early musical careers or when they are asked to bump up their Latin fan base and release an EP of Spanish-language songs previously released. The only non-Latin artists who will/or have reached the 50% mark are Celine Dion (French) and Jennifer Lopez (since her upcoming album will be in Spanish and she has released a new Spanish cover single). Others such as Beyonce and Rihanna continue to release English language albums with here and theres of Spanish music; though some of their repertoire have Latin music influences. But I do agree with the inclusion of what is missing/wanted for the Latin music project and maybe have a new tab where members can pitch in articles that others might not have known about or forgotten. jona(talk) 18:03, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I don't follow. Most of Dion's songs are either in French or English and a few Spanish and neither Beyonce nor Rihanna has made more than 10 songs in Spanish. It's more a matter of how much an artist needs to perform Spanish or Portuguese to be covered by the project. Selena Gomez has only recorded like three Spanish songs so that's pretty evident she hasn't done enough to be in the project. What do you propose for an artist to be included in the project scope? Erick (talk) 18:27, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
- Never mind I re-read the thread and agree with the 50% minimum guideline. Best, jona(talk) 14:33, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- Just to say real fast, J Lo can stay as she's one of the artists that frequently crosses over to the Latin market even after her sole Spanish-language album. Same for artists who continuously cross over to the Latin market. Christina Aguilera and Nelly Furtado are being removed because they haven't done enough Spanish recordings to be covered by the project yet (unless maybe they announce another Spanish album). Erick (talk) 15:05, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- Never mind I re-read the thread and agree with the 50% minimum guideline. Best, jona(talk) 14:33, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I don't follow. Most of Dion's songs are either in French or English and a few Spanish and neither Beyonce nor Rihanna has made more than 10 songs in Spanish. It's more a matter of how much an artist needs to perform Spanish or Portuguese to be covered by the project. Selena Gomez has only recorded like three Spanish songs so that's pretty evident she hasn't done enough to be in the project. What do you propose for an artist to be included in the project scope? Erick (talk) 18:27, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
- I don't think we should set the bar that high, artists who record Spanish-language or "Latin music" only do so in their early musical careers or when they are asked to bump up their Latin fan base and release an EP of Spanish-language songs previously released. The only non-Latin artists who will/or have reached the 50% mark are Celine Dion (French) and Jennifer Lopez (since her upcoming album will be in Spanish and she has released a new Spanish cover single). Others such as Beyonce and Rihanna continue to release English language albums with here and theres of Spanish music; though some of their repertoire have Latin music influences. But I do agree with the inclusion of what is missing/wanted for the Latin music project and maybe have a new tab where members can pitch in articles that others might not have known about or forgotten. jona(talk) 18:03, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
- Ain't got anything against it, these versions are always targeted at Latin audiences, anyway. Victão Lopes Fala! 17:38, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
- I think that's fair enough and I added that requirement. Though there are some artists that I think are too important to not cover such as Eydie Gorme (she's recorded a good amount of Latin recordings) as well as the Italian artists that I've mentioned (even though 50% of their recordings are probably in Spanish anyway) so I also mentioned that artists and bands that frequently crossover to the Latin market by singing in Spanish or Portuguese can be added too. That way artists who have only made one Latin crossover recording don't get in. I just have one more question for you and this is something I've been asking other members of the project. Would you be okay if the project expands its scope to include Spanish/Portuguese-language versions of a song by a non Latin artist? Currently, the project only allows Spanish/Portuguese versions of a song by Latin artists because I have been afraid getting backlash by other users of Wikipedia. But so far, the other members of the project that I've don't seem to mind and one user who isn't a member of the project was very open about it (he's a Rihanna fan and wanted me to tag Hate That I Love You for its Spanglish version with the Latin music banner). In a way, I think it could be beneficial to the project because it might attract new members to project and the Spanish/Portuguese versions are usually meant to appeal to the Latin audience anyway. Thoughts? Erick (talk) 02:24, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Per the consensus on this talk page, the Latin music project has now expanded its project scope to include Spanish- and Portuguese-language versions of singles by any artist. I say singles, since some songs with a Spanish/Portuguese version don't get released to Latin market, but that's so few that it should work out fine! Plus I still want to play it safe. Erick (talk) 05:32, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- Are we going to implement these new changes into a guideline tab or are we just going to have to bookmark this thread for future reference? Also, since we came into agreement that we should have a list of articles needed/wanted/missing, how are we going to incorporate it? Best, jona(talk) 19:37, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- I have updated the project scope on the project page. Erick (talk) 19:45, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- I see it now. One more thing, why is Enrique's picture predominately shown? Can we get an icon (or is anyone here artistically gifted and upload an image) that depicts "Latin music"? jona(talk) 20:06, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- It's something I just copied off of some other WikiProjects that deal with other genres. Would you be alright with a collage of Latin artists? Lastly, we need our own barnstar. The one Moxy made was back when we were the Latin American music task force. Erick (talk) 20:19, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- I think that should be our last resort lolz, but if nobody here can come up with a icon that represents "Latin music" then the collage of Latin artists sounds fine. The barnstar is another one, if we can't come up with an icon then I really don't know what would be best. Maybe we can ping some of the guys over at commons for help? Best, jona(talk) 20:24, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- Pictures of popular and important Latin artists are better ways to attract new members imo. Erick (talk) 22:24, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- A collage sounds great. We pick, like, some 5 or 6 popular artists, covering as many countries as possible. Oh, and what about AJona1992's question? How are we gonna incorporate the list of missing articles? Victão Lopes Fala! 23:36, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- Pictures of popular and important Latin artists are better ways to attract new members imo. Erick (talk) 22:24, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- I think that should be our last resort lolz, but if nobody here can come up with a icon that represents "Latin music" then the collage of Latin artists sounds fine. The barnstar is another one, if we can't come up with an icon then I really don't know what would be best. Maybe we can ping some of the guys over at commons for help? Best, jona(talk) 20:24, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- It's something I just copied off of some other WikiProjects that deal with other genres. Would you be alright with a collage of Latin artists? Lastly, we need our own barnstar. The one Moxy made was back when we were the Latin American music task force. Erick (talk) 20:19, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- I see it now. One more thing, why is Enrique's picture predominately shown? Can we get an icon (or is anyone here artistically gifted and upload an image) that depicts "Latin music"? jona(talk) 20:06, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- I have updated the project scope on the project page. Erick (talk) 19:45, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Well we could model the to-do list after the Christian music, Metal, and Hip hop projects do with their to-do lists. What do you think? Erick (talk) 00:49, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
- Well the Christian music and Hip-hop are the same thing haha. But I like the idea of splitting into sections of what needs to be improved and expanded and articles missing and requested. Best, jona(talk) 00:56, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
- Glad to hear. You guys can ahead and make the necessary changes to the project's to-do list as you wish. Erick (talk) 01:08, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
- Just created a list of missing articles on artists. If I try to create one of them but fail to find good sources even for a stub, should I jut remove it from the list? Also, would Jamaican reggae artists fall within our scope? Victão Lopes Fala! 07:29, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- You might also want to add a source like AllMusic or Billboard to validate their career(s) and their eligibility on Wikipedia based on WP:NMG. Jamaican artists sing Jamaican, English, and Creole languages; neither are a dialect of Spanish. Best, jona(talk) 14:39, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Will do. Victão Lopes Fala! 16:39, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- You might also want to add a source like AllMusic or Billboard to validate their career(s) and their eligibility on Wikipedia based on WP:NMG. Jamaican artists sing Jamaican, English, and Creole languages; neither are a dialect of Spanish. Best, jona(talk) 14:39, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Just created a list of missing articles on artists. If I try to create one of them but fail to find good sources even for a stub, should I jut remove it from the list? Also, would Jamaican reggae artists fall within our scope? Victão Lopes Fala! 07:29, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Glad to hear. You guys can ahead and make the necessary changes to the project's to-do list as you wish. Erick (talk) 01:08, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Just wanted to add, while Jamaican reggae artists may not be in, reggae en español and Brazilian artists who sing reggae in Portuguese is fine (after all, reggaeton was derived from reggae). Erick (talk) 16:48, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Ah yes, one f the bands I added (Planta e Raiz) is a Brazilian reggae band. By the way, all the metal bands I added are either bands singing in Portuguese/Spanish/indigenous languages or bands that incorporate Latin musical elements in their instrumentation. Victão Lopes Fala! 19:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- That is very good. I have now added links to the to-do list and the assessment page (complete with a grading and importance scale) on the project page. I'll ask other members to pitch in any other articles that could be added to the list. Erick (talk) 19:31, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Hey everyone! I have made further additions on the importance that details what artists and recordings would be considered high or mid importance. Please take a look and tell me what you think. Erick (talk) 18:30, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Information about Cultura Profética
Hi everyone! I have not been active on Wikipedia recently and am getting back into the swing of things. Cultura Profética is one of my favorite bands and I have noticed their page is not in the best shape. I would love to get Cultura's page to GA status, and have made a few improvements today. Unfortunately, I am having a difficult time finding reliable sources about the group's history. If anyone has any ideas or would like to collaborate, that would be amazing! Basilisk4u (talk) 02:17, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- Welcome back. Here are some comments that should be helpful
- You don't need to elaborate on their touring in the lead.
- "lyrics relied", I doubt they relied on those lyrics but have reflected on those issues
- You don't need to wikilink common words or phrases (English, romantic)
- Why wikilink all other music genres except reggae; which you claim that they primarily record?
- Dancehall is a subgenre of reggae music
- The lead does not summarizes the article body and lack critical information (when did they formed? how were the albums critical and commercial success? what makes them popular?)
- Nobody uses MySpace, do they have an official website?
- What are the members full names?
- There's an overlinking problem in this article
- The discography should only contain the band's studio albums and not live, tribute, or compilation albums
- There's a dab link and two deadlinks
Overall, you got a great start. You may want to work on the article with a model in mind (like Thirty Seconds to Mars for an example). Before submitting the article to GAN, you may want ask for a copy-edit request and then bring it over at WP:PR so that other editors could provide their comments. Here are some magazine sources you may want to use on the article. Best, jona(talk) 14:17, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks so much for your help! I really appreciate it. I have addressed most of these issues and plan to do so even more. I'm thinking the main issue with the article is that it is not very comprehensive, and it will be more complete once I can compile more sources. My main goal is to expand the existing sections and then add a "Musical style" section and then perhaps one that addresses their political concerns if I can find enough information. Again, thanks a bunch! I've only been working on the page for about a day, so I'm confident that big improvements can be made in the near future. Basilisk4u (talk) 18:24, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- No problem =) Good luck with the article. Best, jona(talk) 21:47, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride!
- What? Wiki Loves Pride, a campaign to document and photograph LGBT culture and history, including pride events
- When? June 2015
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- Maybe a collaboration effort to bring Ricky Martin articles or other LGBT Latin artists to good article status (seeing as the second annual GA cup is around the corner) sounds like a good plan =) Any one interested in working together? Best, jona(talk) 22:13, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- I could probably suggest some LGBT Latin artists, but aside from Martin, I'm not too familiar with them. Erick (talk) 22:15, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Initially I was going to ask the members here if there were any, but then I remembered Ricky Martin lolz. Are there any others? Best, jona(talk) 22:20, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Here are some I can find or remember: Pablo Ruiz (singer), Chavela Vargas, Christian Chávez (of RBD fame), Concha Buika (she's bi), Fangoria (band), Ana Carolina (also bi), Cássia Eller, Tiziano Ferro. Then there's the song, "¿A quién le importa?", a LGBT-related song by the latter group which was famously covered by Thalia. @Another Believer:, I'm just wondering if you're getting any of this in case this page is not on your watchlist. Erick (talk) 22:41, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks Eric! Now if anyone is interested in working on any of these or related articles of them that would be great =) Best, jona(talk) 20:42, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- From the Brazilian side, I can remember Nando Reis, Cazuza, Renato Russo and Daniela Mercury at first. Victão Lopes Fala! 15:12, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks Eric! Now if anyone is interested in working on any of these or related articles of them that would be great =) Best, jona(talk) 20:42, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- Here are some I can find or remember: Pablo Ruiz (singer), Chavela Vargas, Christian Chávez (of RBD fame), Concha Buika (she's bi), Fangoria (band), Ana Carolina (also bi), Cássia Eller, Tiziano Ferro. Then there's the song, "¿A quién le importa?", a LGBT-related song by the latter group which was famously covered by Thalia. @Another Believer:, I'm just wondering if you're getting any of this in case this page is not on your watchlist. Erick (talk) 22:41, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Initially I was going to ask the members here if there were any, but then I remembered Ricky Martin lolz. Are there any others? Best, jona(talk) 22:20, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Interview for The Signpost
The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Latin music for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Thanks, Rcsprinter123 (palaver) @ 19:54, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
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Proposal for invitation template improvement
Here is a proposal to improve the invitation template. Best, jona(talk) 20:02, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
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Please accept this invite to join the WikiProject Latin music, a WikiProject dedicated to improving Latin music related articles. Simply click here to accept! Or, if you're interested in reading more on Latin music, you may want to check out the Latin music portal. |
- Looks good. The only minor thing I'd ask to change is to link Latin music (genre) where it says "dedicated to improving Latin music related articles" so that the user knows we don't solely focus on Latin American music. Erick (talk) 23:45, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
- Added link to Latin music (genre). Best, jona(talk) 23:57, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well alrighty then, go ahead and update the invite template as you will. Erick (talk) 00:00, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
- Added link to Latin music (genre). Best, jona(talk) 23:57, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Hopefully we can get our own barnstar as well. I don't know if Moxy (the one who made the LA barnstar) is still making them. Erick (talk) 19:38, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
- What did you have in mind? jona(talk) 22:16, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
- Almost like the one Moxy made for us back when we were the Latin American music task force, except with a clip art of conga drums, Spanish guitar, and/or maracas. Erick (talk) 23:02, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
- Is she still on? Maybe you can ask her to compile an art clip for that since I'm not skilled in that department? Also, why not we come up with awards similar to the WP:CROWN, where if a user reaches a number of edits, promotions to GA/FA/DYK, new articles added to Wikipedia, etc, can receive an award or hold a merit of some sort to promote more activity to Latin music? jona(talk) 20:19, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
- Almost like the one Moxy made for us back when we were the Latin American music task force, except with a clip art of conga drums, Spanish guitar, and/or maracas. Erick (talk) 23:02, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Copyright Violation Detection - EranBot Project
A new copy-paste detection bot is now in general use on English Wikipedia. Come check it out at the EranBot reporting page. This bot utilizes the Turnitin software (ithenticate), unlike User:CorenSearchBot that relies on a web search API from Yahoo. It checks individual edits rather than just new articles. Please take 15 seconds to visit the EranBot reporting page and check a few of the flagged concerns. Comments welcome regarding potential improvements. These likely copyright violations can be searched by WikiProject categories. Use "control-f" to jump to your area of interest (if such a copyvio is present).--Lucas559 (talk) 16:07, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Salsa Celtica
The article Salsa Celtica is so bad it's laughable. I could revert to a version of one and a half years ago that wasn't funny -- this one, by SuperHamster (who battled valiantly against others' injections of horseshit). But this older version starts with a template warning that the article has been unsourced since 2010 (a template that remains even now). Time to take this wretched thing to AfD? I really don't know: there's a fair amount on the web about this band, but much (most?) of it looks like an echo chamber. Does what I see just parrot the band's own energetic copywriter, or is there something to it? I'm so unfamiliar with this kind of subject that I might have trouble differentiating between (A) the merely promotional and (B) editorial gush that's taken as "reliable". -- Hoary (talk) 00:16, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Hoary: Honestly, I don't know. The only reliable sources I could find a quick glance were music reviews by Allmusic and Billboard. Erick (talk) 01:45, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you, Erick. I suppose that Allmusic means something. I've reverted to SuperHamster's version, and cut some verbiage from that. -- Hoary (talk) 02:51, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Announcing an assessment request
I am proud to announce that the Latin music project now has a assessment request! I have asked one of our members Zidane tribal to assess any requested articles. Additional volunteers are also welcomed and I also attempt to assess article if possible. Erick (talk) 02:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- I`ve assessed well over 6, 000 album articles in my time, probably over 1, 000 for request so, feel free to submit, also i`ll be assessing the unassessed articles in the list, so an article you created may get "spontaneously" assessed. Zidane tribal (talk) 16:17, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Major Latin music-related announcements
This month marks the start of the Hispanic Heritage Month in the United States and couple of interesting news relating to Latin music have happened this month. First of course are the Latin Grammy nominations just announced today, so articles for several nominated artists, albums, and songs should be created or update. Second, Telemundo has announced its nominees for the first-ever Latin American Music Awards (the Spanish-language counterpart of the American Music Awards). Third, Billboard has listed the most essential Latin artists and albums of all time, so many articles could benefit from Billboard' listing. And finally, our interview with the Signpost should be posted sometime today to coincide with the Latin Grammy nominations. With all this, we should hopefully be able to not only improve and create articles, but to also incite new users into joining this project. That's all for now, but there is anything else to add, please feel free to leave a comment. Erick (talk) 16:12, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
- OMG, so many articles to update! I'll take care of the Brazilian ones, as always. Victão Lopes Fala! 16:59, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Victor Lopes: Yep, it's a big month for Latin music. One thing I forgot to mention was that I have nominated the Latin music portal for featured portal. Erick (talk) 17:15, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
- Yay! Hopefully we can get some new users to our ever growing family. Viva musica Latina =) Best, jona(talk) 20:11, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
- So far, this is the only source I found with the complete list of nominations. Using the official website as a source is not a good idea because the link will be changed someday and dozens of articles will have to be corrected. Infobae is a fine source, isn't it? Victão Lopes Fala! 21:24, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
- Well according to this article, it's an Argentine news site, so it should be fine. The complete list can also be found on Telemundo (kind of strange since it will be airing on Univision here in the US). Alternatively, you can just manually archive the url on the Wayback Machine so that it doesn't get lost. Erick (talk) 21:46, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
- Talking about Telemundo, it appears that voting is not available for Brazil, and I'm having some trouble finding a link with the list of their Latin Music Awards nominees. If any of you guys happen to find a link on another website, I would appreciate it. Victão Lopes Fala! 00:46, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
- Oh right, I created the article for the Latin American Music Awards and its inaugural award ceremony with sources to back them up. Erick (talk) 00:54, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
- Talking about Telemundo, it appears that voting is not available for Brazil, and I'm having some trouble finding a link with the list of their Latin Music Awards nominees. If any of you guys happen to find a link on another website, I would appreciate it. Victão Lopes Fala! 00:46, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
- Well according to this article, it's an Argentine news site, so it should be fine. The complete list can also be found on Telemundo (kind of strange since it will be airing on Univision here in the US). Alternatively, you can just manually archive the url on the Wayback Machine so that it doesn't get lost. Erick (talk) 21:46, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
- So far, this is the only source I found with the complete list of nominations. Using the official website as a source is not a good idea because the link will be changed someday and dozens of articles will have to be corrected. Infobae is a fine source, isn't it? Victão Lopes Fala! 21:24, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
- Yay! Hopefully we can get some new users to our ever growing family. Viva musica Latina =) Best, jona(talk) 20:11, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Victor Lopes: Yep, it's a big month for Latin music. One thing I forgot to mention was that I have nominated the Latin music portal for featured portal. Erick (talk) 17:15, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 5
Hello there! Happy to be writing this newsletter once more. This month:
In July, we launched five pilot WikiProjects: WikiProjects Cannabis, Evolutionary Biology, Ghana, Hampshire, and Women's Health. We also use the new design, named "WPX UI," on WikiProject Women in Technology, Women in Red, WikiProject Occupational Safety and Health. We are currently looking for projects for the next round of testing. If you are interested, please sign up on the Pilots page.
Shortly after our launch we presented at Wikimania 2015. Our slides are on Wikimedia Commons.
Then after all that work, we went through the process of figuring out whether we accomplished our goal. We reached out to participants on the redesigned WikiProjects, and we asked them to complete a survey. (If you filled out your survey—thank you!) While there are still some issues with the WikiProject tools and the new design, there appears to be general satisfaction (at least among those who responded). The results of the survey and more are documented in our grant report filed with the Wikimedia Foundation.
There is more work that needs to be done, so we have applied for a renewal of our grant. Comments on the proposal are welcome. We would like to improve what we have already started on the English Wikipedia and to also expand to Wikimedia Commons and Wikidata. Why those? Because they are multilingual projects and because there needs to be better coordination across Wikimedia projects. More details are available in the renewal proposal.
The Wikimedia Developer Summit will be held in San Francisco in January 2016. The recently established Community Tech team at the Wikimedia Foundation is interested in investigating what technical support they can provide for WikiProjects, i.e., support beyond just templates and bots. I have plenty of opinions myself, but I want to hear what you think. The session is being planned on Phabricator, the Wikimedia bug tracker. If you are not familiar with Phabricator, you can log in with your Wikipedia username and password through the "Login or Register: MediaWiki" button on the login page. Your feedback can help make editing Wikipedia a better experience.
Until next time,
The rumba mess
Hello everyone. In the past few months I have been trying to improve and clarify the different music styles known as rumba, most of which have articles now. However, the article rumba remains a mess that duplicates the Cuban rumba article. Moreover, it is extremely misleading, since the other genres called "rumba" are completely unrelated to Cuban rumba. Obviously, the rumba article should simply be a disambiguation to these styles, because the term rumba by itself is ambiguous, but User:Midas02 seems to believe that the current article, which includes a mishmash of duplicated, incorrect, dubious, COI and OR content should be kept, undoing my corrections. Please help, I do not want to waste my time with this. Neodop (talk) 14:43, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
- @Neodop: The best way to deal with the situation is to show the user different reliable sources that shows that "rumba" itself is an ambiguous meaning. You showed the user different meanings of "rumba", perhaps you could also show sources that says how "rumba" is an unclear meaning? Alternatively, the user said that it was a cut-and-paste move, so you could go to WP:RM and request a move and present your evidence with reliable sources. Erick (talk) 14:59, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
Latin Grammy Award FB group chat
As the Latin Grammy Awards approach next week, I will start a FB group chat during the awards ceremony. If you are interested in joining, please send me an email (I have it enabled on my user page). Erick (talk) 19:03, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
Grammy nominations
The Grammy nominations have been announced, and there are some categories that fall within our scope: http://www.grammy.com/nominees?genre=17. Victão Lopes Fala! 16:17, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
- @Victor Lopes:, Billboard just publishing an interesting article about the Grammy noms in the Latin field. Erick (talk) 16:58, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Eligible albums?
Dear fellow editors, 
In the list of missing articles, there is a section for albums, all of which have been inducted into the Latin Grammy Hall of Fame.
This made me wonder whether the list is intended to include only such inducted albums. There are other notable albums which I thought deserve an article in our encyclopedia, but I didn't want to add them to the existing list, just in case they didn't fit the implied criteria of having been inducted into the Latin Grammy Hall of Fame.
Please may I therefore propose that we consider the following two actions:
- rename the existing section from "Albums" to "Albums inducted into the Latin Grammy Hall of Fame";
- create a second section for "Other notable albums".
I would then also have proposed that we consider including, in this second list, some of the very successful albums by notable bands such as Afro-Cuban All Stars, ¡Cubanismo!, etc. It also occurred to me that some editors might prefer to work on one list or the other, depending on their interests, knowledge and available sources.
Thank you for letting me know, and I'll obviously be happy to go along with the consensual views and preferences.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 15:26, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
- @Pdebee: No, no, we welcome any Latin albums that you feel should be created. There is no limit at all on what album could included in the list. Adding a rationale is only optional. I only included those recordings because I'm surprised no one has yet to create those articles since they are well-known in the Latin music universey. The only requirement is that the recording has to be either in Spanish, Portuguese, or any of the indigenous languages or dialects from Latin America and the Iberian Peninsula. Or if it's an instrumental album, it can be any genre from Ibero-America (including Spain and Portugal). That's pretty much it. Erick (talk) 15:37, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
- @Magiciandude: Dear Erick;
- Very many thanks for your prompt reply, and for taking the time to clarify what albums can be included. So, I will now start populating the existing list and will probably also create some of the articles myself, when time permits.
- Take care, Erick, and thank you also for your leadership and the initiative you took with this project.
- With kind regards;
- Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 17:13, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
- @Pdebee: And thank you very taking your time to help with the Latin music project as well as your words of encouragement. If you intend on creating articles for the Latin music project, I'd recommend on viewing our assessment page to see how we gauge our importance scale. You are welcome here anytime and if there's anything you need help, I'll be happy to assist. Cheers! Erick (talk) 17:35, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
- @Magiciandude: Dear Erick;
¡Felicidades!
@Victor Lopes:, @Cambalachero:, @DivaKnockouts:, @Jaespinoza:, @AJona1992:, @Luisnh1210:, @Fundude99:, @Neodop:, @Basilisk4u:, @Bryan McLaude:, @Batamamma: I wish you all Happy Holidays and to thank you each of you for your hard work on Latin music-related articles! Happy Holidays everyone!