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ACR to-do list for January 2024

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Igor Mangushev
  • Was awaiting an initial source review, which I supplied in November. Two reviews in late December. Left a note on the nominators' talk pages. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:13, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Continuation War
  • Now has source and image reviews. Left a note on the nominator's talk page. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:13, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Striking. Was closed by Ian Rose on February 10 as no consensus to promote. Will need to be resubmitted for new assessment when ready. Donner60 (talk) 04:54, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/HMS Beaulieu
  • Has two supports + source and image reviews. Needs one one review, as CPA-5 has been inactive since November. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:13, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Crusading movement
  • Needs another general review and an image review. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:13, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

I've done a slightly eccentric image review. The kind where I search out the originals so better copies can be used. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.7% of all FPs.} 17:26, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

This appears to now be the oldest one now pending. I will try to get to it before the end of the month if no one else reviews it earlier. Adding that I may put John Bullock Clark ahead of it since that one is now far along. Donner60 (talk) 05:08, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Hanford Engineer Works
  • Needs another general review and an image review. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:13, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
    • I feel like one of those evil genies, who grants wishes that you wish weren't granted. I've done an image review, but I fear my image reviews are detailed and intense. Sorry! Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.7% of all FPs.} 08:23, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
      • Done. Promoted to A class. Donner60 (talk) 04:05, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Bill Madden (soldier)
  • Just needs an image review and it is GTG. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:30, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
    • Done the image review. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 13:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Seriously, if stuff needs image reviews, ask me. I've worked with images long enough. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.7% of all FPs.} 07:36, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Napoleon and A-class status

Napoleon was promoted to GA in July 2008, and received A-class status a month later. In 2021 it was demoted from GA status, but still retains its A-class designation. When an article is demoted at GA, should it still be listed as A-class here? Does an A-class reeassessment have to be opened to discuss its designation? Z1720 (talk) 20:47, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

@Z1720: As A-class criteria differs to that of GA-class criteria, a separate reassessment is needed. (@WP:MILHIST coordinators: I don't know if this is something we should be looking into? I remember discussions relating to this happening before but believe that the aforementioned requirement is still the status quo. Seems a little absurd to keep B (or worse) articles as A class when we generally consider A class to be higher than GA, despite the differing requirements). Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:00, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, we don't automatically demote an A-class article that's lost its GA status but I think such a situation is a prima facie reason to look at conducting a formal review of the article's A-class status. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 21:15, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 21:34, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Possibly we should watch for similar GA (and FA?) demotions in future and automatically list them for A class review? Maybe a bot could do it for us? Gog the Mild (talk) 22:23, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

I found eight other examples of delisted GA articles that are currently still A class: Johann Mickl, Jean de Carrouges, Hans Waldmann (fighter pilot), Hans Philipp, Jagdgeschwader 1 (World War II), Keith Miller, Arab–Byzantine wars, Home Army. Only Waldmann and Philipp have survived A class reassessment after a GA delist. Schierbecker (talk) 23:15, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes. The rules at FAC and GA are that demoted articles revert to their project status. We had an issue with FAs and GAs being demoted on ideological and political grounds unrelated to article quality. So the project determined that demoted articles retain their A-class rating pending an A-class reassessment. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:32, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense. The project has a section in articles for review about FA reviews and GA reviews. The question may be if no one from the project is participating or closely following the reviews, does anyone know the outcome so that there can be a follow-up? One reason given for demoting articles recently is that they are too long. I think this should not be a hard and fast rule (15,000 words or some number of bytes or something like that), at least for demotions other than FA. I suppose there is a concern that long FA articles won't be read in entirety. I am not sure if that is always merited. From only the quickest glance, Andrew Jackson is an article up for review that appears to have ideological objections, as Hawkeye noted. Perhaps other objections are thrown in to make a case. I did not take more than a glance at the already long review. Donner60 (talk) 00:18, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Mickl (commander of a German-Croatian division that operated in Yugoslavia) is still listed as A-Class, I wrote it ten years ago, and I certainly have learned a lot since then. My view is that very odd rationales were taken by a group of editors during the GAR, especially about sources, and even extending to generic images used in the article. I acknowledge some flowery language needed trimming, but along the lines Hawkeye mentioned, most of the criticisms were not based on policy but some weird ideology that the man was being glorified because he had an article that mentioned anything other than the war crimes of his division. This was widespread across many articles about the German war effort at the time and coincided with the ArbCom case. The article needs some work due to the unjustified deletions, but (for example) the idea that a biography co-written by the historian Heinz A. Richter (who was selected to write Mickl's article in the Neue deutsche Biographie) is unreliable, is utter nonsense. Both sources that were challenged as unreliable were listed by Richter as sources he used to write the NdB article on Mickl. If they are good enough for NdB, they are good enough for WP. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:46, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

There was a list made a couple years ago of older A-Class promotions to check for those that may have deteriorated or been under poor standards. A few from that have been delisted. Hog Farm _Talk 02:03, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

There was a long debate at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/John von Neumann/1 that was mostly about whether a GA can be stricken based on WP:TOOBIG. I strongly believe that an article is as long or short as it needs to be. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Somewhat related. Did anyone else notice that the new banner shell is reverting some FA-class Milhist articles to A class? Thirteen examples listed here. Schierbecker (talk)

@Hawkeye7: Is this not the issue you brought up several days ago? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 18:56, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it is. I thought it had been corrected and a bot run to repair the broken template. Is it still occurring? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:12, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Qwerfjkl says, Schierbecker, thank you for bringing my attention to this. I've fixed it now. There was a flaw in my logic for detecting opted-out wikiprojects. I will revert and rerun the bot on the milhist pages with issues. Schierbecker (talk) 19:39, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

To avoid duplication let's continue the discussion here, not at my talk page. — Qwerfjkltalk 19:40, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl: Hi, thanks for fixing that! Greatly appreciated. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 19:43, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I've fixed the FAs. Let me know if there are any other pages that need fixing. — Qwerfjkltalk 20:02, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Cewbot made the same error on William T. Anderson, Ulysses S. Grant and Fatimid conquest of Egypt on January 2. I just fixed them. Is that what Pickersgill-Cunliffe was talking about earlier? Schierbecker (talk) 02:50, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Schierbecker, I've only looked at the first one but it wasn't caused by Cewbot. — Qwerfjkltalk 07:19, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Oops, Cewbot only caused the error on Talk:Fatimid conquest of Egypt. Sorry, going error blind. Schierbecker (talk) 07:28, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

BT-13 Vultee Valiant - N67496

Hello!

We see that you have our Vultee Valiant listed at Florida Keys Int'l Airport (information pulled from FAA). Just updating that this aircraft is not only airworthy but has the original crankshaft start mechanism. It is owned by Island Warbirds (https://islandwarbirds.com) located at Florida Keys Flight Academy in Marathon, FL

1942 BT-13 Vultee Valiant - N67496

Sincerely,

Island Warbirds Islandwarbirds (talk) 15:17, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to change it. We encourage you to be bold in updating pages, because wikis like ours develop faster when everybody edits. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. You can always preview your edits before you publish them or test them out in the sandbox. If you need additional help, check out our getting started page or ask the friendly folks at the Teahouse. Nick-D (talk) 23:19, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Please be sure to add a citation and not add any promotional or advertising material to the article. Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 05:04, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: no edits were made to the article after these posts up to the date of this comment. It appears it will be left to a project member to amend the article, with citation, as may be needed. Donner60 (talk) 07:29, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Effect on assessment of "too many primary primary sources" template

@WP:MILHIST coordinators: Does a too many primary sources template prevent an assessment of B class, or even C class, if sufficient citations are provided. In the case of the article that has raised the question for me the primary sources are mainly US Army publications, which are verifiable and adequately credible sources for the topic Sapper Leader Course. Does that make a difference if the answer generally is that the assessment must be no higher than start or C? Thanks.
I may be offline for more time than I have been recently if setting up a new computer and a few other tasks that I need to work on take more time than expected or if a family member, who unfortunately has just tested positive for covid, gives me another infection. I have been online most days. This is as info if I have a sudden longer period of absence. Donner60 (talk) 09:36, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

A "too many primary sources" template does not prevent an assessment of B class. WP:MILMOS#SOURCES: articles on military history should aim to be based primarily on published secondary works by reputable historians. The use of high-quality primary sources is also appropriate, but care should be taken to use them correctly, without straying into original research. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:03, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. The covid infection in our household is worsening. Paxlovid has been prescribed and started. Donner60 (talk) 23:50, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Here's hoping everyone makes a swift recovery. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. All testing negative now. I now have some catching up to do. I'll be changing my user box to show I have survived two covid infections. Donner60 (talk) 03:32, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

ACR backlog

We've got 7 ACRs still open from 2023:

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Igor Mangushev has had an oppose since mid-December; nominator has not been active since early September. It may be time to close this one
  • Done -- tks for highlighting, HF. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 18:32, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Crusading movement - needs a general review and a source review.
  • This appears to now be the oldest one now pending. I will try to get to it before the end of the month if no one else reviews it earlier and to one or more others, time permitting; also noting that I may give priority to John Bullock Clark since it is now far along. Donner60 (talk) 05:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
    • Done and promoted. Donner60 (talk) 04:38, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Hanford Engineer Works - pending Harrias's in-progress review needs a general review. @WP:MILHIST coordinators: Harrias is inactive, so if someone could a step up and provide a review that would be appreciated. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:43, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  I'll give it a try in the next few days. With 2 1/2 reviews already, I suspect it is in good shape and won't need much more comment. Donner60 (talk) 11:53, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

  • Done. Promoted to A. Donner60 (talk) 04:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/John Bullock Clark (my nom) - has had only a single review, was up for a couple months last fall also and received no interest; if it's not of interest to reviewers here I can just give it a try at FAC and see if it interest reviewers there more as it does get heavier into the political content
  • Just took a quick look at the reviews for Clark. Now has supports from Harrias and Hawkeye7. Not sure about status of replies to Peacemaker; he has not come back yet with a final word. I think I can fit this in soon since it is far along now; it probably doesn't require much more comment. Clark and the two battles are ones that I should look at since they are topics in my most edited area (FWIW). Big Black River Bridge is familiar as a Vicksburg campaign article. Donner60 (talk) 07:05, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
    • @Hog Farm: Fully reviewed and promoted to A-Class=pass. Donner60 (talk) 00:56, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Big Black River Bridge (my nom) - needs another general review
  • @Hog Farm: Fully reviewed and promoted to A-Class=pass. Donner60 (talk) 05:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Fort McKavett State Historic Site - needs another general review, an image review, and a source review.

  Comment: Left a ping for Hog Farm, who is completing the process for Vami_IV. I noted that Zawed has provided a third review. Donner60 (talk) 08:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

This one is ready to be closed. Zawed (talk) 10:59, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Plum Point Bend (my nom) - has one in-progress review so far
  • Promoted. Donner60 (talk) 00:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to be moving soon and will be time-limited but will see what all I can review. An organized effort to keep ACR running may be necessary because this has been backlogged for most of the past year or so. Hog Farm _Talk 17:57, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

AutoCheck report for February

The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:

• 1999 Tempe military base shooting Removed military history project assessment with this edit summary: "removed military history project assessment and restored start class assessment; this is not in the scope of the military history project and should not have been assessed by the bot; it is about a crime that happened to have taken place on a military base; if it deserves a different assessment, another project such as crime and criminal biography must assess it." Donner60 (talk) 08:29, 2 March 2024 (UTC) Further note, after being question about this, I noted that the one cited different example had different content more relevant to this project and that a B assessment, apparently by the crime project, remains on the talk page. Donner60 (talk) 23:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC) I have asked for comments about my removal of this type of article (this one in particular) on the coordinator talk page. Donner60 (talk) 05:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• Amazon-class frigate (1795) B class. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Antoni Koper B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Aqaba Fortress B class. Donner60 (talk) 23:55, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
• Armed struggle against the Brazilian military dictatorship B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Gordali (1852) Downgraded to C with this edit summary, "reduced to C, some groups are introduced without full identification, some terms unexplained, progression difficult to follow, no detail on end; relies mostly on one source, non-English; large part of battle is an elided long excerpt from a reference which is not clear; fails b2 and probably b1 and b4, but leaving at C rather than start." I have already added several rather long comments on just a few articles; sorry about the wordy comments but I already view a number of lower class articles that I think need explanations and in some cases further thought. Donner60 (talk) 09:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Kasahrada B class. Noting that some alternate accounts are mentioned shedding some doubt on certain facts. Maybe this is all that can be found. Appears to be a valid event, suitably referenced so I can accept the bot assessment. Donner60 (talk) 06:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Lohgarh B class. Corrected the link to the Lohgarh which was the location of the battle. Last section could use a little clarification but seems good enough to stay at B. Donner60 (talk) 06:10, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Mulhouse (1674) B class. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:04, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Namacurra B class. Rather brief but a small battle in terms of numbers; perhaps there is not much more to be written about it. Donner60 (talk) 06:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Turubah (1813) Reduced assessment to start due to clarification needed tag, some expansion apparently needed to clarify and failed verification tag. Donner60 (talk) 00:12, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Victumulae Downgraded to start. Lacking at least one citation. Poorly written: run-on and unclear sentences, b4. Donner60 (talk) 00:26, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
• Bolesław II the Bold's expedition to Kiev (1076–1077) Similar comment as I added to War for Brest (1182–1183) a short time ago. The editor has been working on Wikipedia since December 17 and was blocked indefinitely by Cullen328 on February 22 for "Disruptive editing: Adding poorly sourced content, false accusations of vandalism." This article is also poorly written, much of it not even dealing with a military event. There is a note that the date of the expedition is actually unknown. A similiar article about a Boleslaw II has a template including unreliable sources. They are not in English so can't be checked. I haven't decided yet how far to reduce the rating and whether this should be considerably pruned. The article about Boleslaw II was not written by this editor and has a phrase that lends some reason to think this was an actual event. So I am amending this comment to rule out my proposing this for deletion. In short, however, it is a very poor article. If anyone wishes to complete this assessment earlier, please go ahead. Donner60 (talk) 08:49, 2 March 2024 (UTC) Comment amended. Donner60 (talk) 00:22, 5 March 2024 (UTC) A user who appears to contest several PRODs daily has contested this deletion, so it will need to be considered further. Donner60 (talk) 00:31, 9 March 2024 (UTC) Demoted to start class. Donner60 (talk) 02:49, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
• Bombing of Gaza A real mess this one. Although it is cited, when I checked I found cites that did not support the text. Hawkeye7

(discuss) 06:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC) :Reassess as start class with this edit summary: "reassess bot assessment for military history project and in banner shelll as start, fails b1 due to sources failing verification and otherwise suspect, fails b2 for incomplete coverage." Donner60 (talk) 02:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

• Bradshaw Field Training Area B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:30, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
• Canadian peacekeeping Is this a B class article or a list? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

  My opinion is that it is very similar, even if not quite identical, to Mister Bee's B class articles about Luftwaffe aces. I think the narrative is long enough to be an article. Yet, the combined length of the article seems small enough and the subject matter related enough not to require the list to be split into a separate list article. FWIW. Donner60 (talk) 01:16, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

  Since it is now up for GA, I'll presume to go with bot and with my opinion and strike this one. A somewhat related question (not specifically framed as article v. list) is being consider in the review. Donner60 (talk) 05:08, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Cimmerian invasion of Phrygia B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:33, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
• Crimean Campaign (1475) reassessed as start; another one by the indefinitely blocked user; doubtful sources; not much about the military engagement. Donner60 (talk) 03:17, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
• Cuman raid on Poland (1101) reassessed as start; another one by the indefinitely blocked user; same types of flaws. Donner60 (talk) 03:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
• Diego Angioletti B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:47, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
• Draft:Delhi Sultanate–Mewar conflicts Tagged by the Bot but moved to draftspace. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Draft:Prince Salim's Invasion of Mewar Tagged by the Bot but moved to draftspace. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Effect of the Israel–Hamas war on children in the Gaza Strip B class in form; unstable. Donner60 (talk) 01:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
• Enrico Di Brocchetti B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
• Expedition to Najd (1836) B class. I broke up some run-on sentences and left a talk page message requesting consideration of a clarification. Donner60 (talk) 00:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
• Federico Pescetto B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Gordon Klingenschmitt B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
• HDMS Iver Hvitfeldt (1886) B class. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:55, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• HDMS Skjold (1896) B class. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:55, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Humanitarian aid during the Israel–Hamas war B class in form; unstable. Donner60 (talk) 01:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
• Kalundborg War B class. Some sentences show uncertainty and speculation but maybe that is all that can be said about this medieval conflict which appears less well known than other events at the time. Donner60 (talk) 01:34, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
• Kurdish Hezbollah insurgency B class. Another odd article for the project, IMO. Two insurgent groups fight each other, then one turns to conflict with the authorities but only the police are described as opposing the insurgents. Giving a broad definition of the scope of the project (IMO); would almost certainly be B class under terrorism in any event. Donner60 (talk) 05:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• Mazi Melesa Pilip Removed military history project banner; notable as a politician, not notable as a member of the Israeli Armed forces as a gunsmith, not enough to be within the scope of military history project. Donner60 (talk) 02:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• McLaughlin Hall (Detroit, Michigan) B class. Preserved as a war memorial which seems to be enough of a relationship to the project. Donner60 (talk) 08:34, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
• Muhammad Herindra B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Nat Turner B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Ohen Removed military history project banner. I see no reference or description of a military event or operation. I am not sure what the bot saw to add the project to the banner. At most there is a reference to Ohen consolidating his power over certain regions and a vague reference to a treaty that is not further described. Donner60 (talk) 01:01, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
• Olua I removed the military history project banner. There is no reference to a military event, the operation to install Iginuwa in his own kingdom by the sea is described as to perform a sacrifice before the sea. The phrase "his decisions that led to conflict" has no further information to show any military action resulted. Donner60 (talk) 01:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
• Operation Volcano of Rage Deleted under G5, created by blocked user while under block. Donner60 (talk) 02:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Orazio Di Negro B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
• Polish raid on Kievan Rus' (1136) Downgraded to start and proposed for deletion. Another by the indefinitely blocked user. Already had notability and sourcing problem templates; poorly written, flowery language, non-English references. Donner60 (talk) 23:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC) This PROD was also removed; assessment remains start class. Donner60 (talk) 08:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
• Pomeranian expedition to Santok reassess as start; reliable sources template previously placed; brief, non-neutral, more of a panegyric to Boleslaw III than a military history article. Donner60 (talk) 03:23, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
• Pompeo Provana del Sabbione B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:28, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
• Robert B. Sheeks B class. Donner60 (talk) 08:06, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
• Royal Life Guards' Mutiny B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC) At my suggestion, the three principal contributors agreed to change the title of the article to Danish Royal Life Guards' Mutiny. Donner60 (talk) 02:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Russian destroyer Bespokoiny (1913) B class. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:55, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• SS Dr. Heinrich Wiegand (1938) B class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 19:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• SS Kronprinzessin Cecilie (1905) B class. Tedious repetitive reference to ship as "she" could be improved but does not take the article below B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:43, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
• SS Santa Fe (1943) B class. Donner60 (talk) 08:31, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
• Stockholm Army B class. (A few acknowledged gaps in the history, not enough to downgrade article or question pertinent facts.) Donner60 (talk) 02:18, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Union of Donbass Volunteers Downgraded to C class. Serious questions of reliability of sources and even notability are raised on talk page. Changed b1 to no. Might have gone back to start but could not judge a fail on any other criterion. Donner60 (talk) 02:31, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Walter S. DeLany B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• War for Brest (1182–1183) The editor has been working on Wikipedia since December 17 and was blocked indefinitely by Cullen328 on February 22 for "Disruptive editing: Adding poorly sourced content, false accusations of vandalism." This article is also poorly written with either direct translations or flowery language. I am not sure the title of the article is even accurate. I haven't decided yet how far to reduce the rating or whether this should be proposed for deletion altogether. If anyone wishes to complete this earlier, please go ahead. 07:47, 2 March 2024 (UTC) Assessed start, should be retitled, hardly a "war." Donner60 (talk) 03:51, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

ACR for Crusading movement ready for closure

@WP:MILHIST coordinators: I have completed a third review for this article and the points raised have been addressed. The previous two reviews and responses were so thorough that I had only a few comments. Nonetheless, since no other third reviewer commented in whole or in significant part, I think it is proper for a completely uninvolved coordinator to close this one. Donner60 (talk) 10:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Done. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Project Scope: (1) crimes on military bases; (2) terrorist attacks on military bases

@WP:MILHIST coordinators: I recently removed the project banner from an article that was about a mass shooting by a soldier at a military base (1999 Tempe military base shooting). It was not a foreign base and had no military event or operation connected with it. I considered this simply as a crime that happened to have been committed on an air base. I ask that whether there are contrary views or precedents about this being within the scope of the project.
I have just assessed an article as within the scope of the project with the note that I would give further thought and inquiry as to whether this too should only be within the crime and, in this case, the terrorism projects Mianwali air base attack. I think this is a closer call but possibly different enough for a different result. The event was an attack by nine jihadist militants against a Pakistani military base. Three aircraft were damaged and the article states that "The Pakistani Armed Forces repelled the attack, killing all nine attackers during the security operation." Are the additional facts enough to bring this within the scope of the project or is this still simply a large crime committed by terrorists? I will appreciate your help in defining the scope of the project in such situations. Donner60 (talk) 07:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• I lean towards including it since we broadly define anything related to the military to be within our scope, so it passes that criteria in spades. You're also talking about soldiers attacking other soldiers (in the former case), which broadly fits the definition of a battle. As for the airbase attack, that's an attack on a military installation which by western definition would come under the "war on terror", so it could be reasonbly included. My two cents. TomStar81 (Talk) 21:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Big Black River Bridge

Fully reviewed. Promoted to A class. Donner60 (talk) 05:20, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

New academy page

I have documented our procedure for creating an A-Class review or reappraisal. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

In relation to A-class reviews, any thoughts on creating a separate heading on the review page for them? I think it would be useful to split the re-assessments out from the actual reviews. Just a new level two header either above or below the extant "Current reviews" slot. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 12:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I think this would be a good idea. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7: I've split out the reassessments, but don't know whether this will upset the bot? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 13:20, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

It should be okay. Unlike FACBot, it does not sort the entries chronologically. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 17:41, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't know whether this is something the bot could do, but it might be useful if the bot could automatically identify a-class articles that have lost FA or GA and list them in a particular section for reassessment. As it is now articles will be falling through the cracks, as we rely on editors noticing an article has lost its status and manually putting it up for review. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 18:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

The could be done by the bot. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:13, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

AutoCheck report for March

The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:

• 1964 Brazilian coup in the Paraíba Valley B class. Comment: Translated from Portugese; has a section after the aftermath about a simultaneous, related but separate event - somewhat odd placement but would not appear to affect rating. Donner60 (talk) 02:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• 23rd (Service) Battalion, Manchester Regiment (8th City) B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Action of 19 Febuary 1619 B class. Notability questioned, template still on article, but some additon was made subsequently. A minor action, suggestion of merger on talk page does not point to an article for merger. B class in form, almost all foreign language sources. Articles have been posted about minor actions like this so I think it is not necessarily an outlier. Donner60 (talk) 23:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
• Avignon–Comtat Venaissin War B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Bahmani–Vijayanagar War (1398) B class. Left a note for editor asking if the monetary units can be given a modern value or other description that would give the reader a better idea of their worth. Donner60 (talk) 01:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of al-Jassora B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Getares B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Mehadia B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Bohorodytska Fortress B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Brian Sidari B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Cabinet Committee on National Security (Pakistan) removed military history project banner with this edit summary: "removed military history project banner; 11-year old article about a government panel that advises the prime minister; bot just recently added project banner but this is a government, politics article, not military history." Donner60 (talk) 01:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
• Cambridge Barracks, Portsmouth B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Camp Barneveld B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Charles Maynard (British Army officer) B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Citadel of Safed B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Claës Skoglund One unsourced dates of rank section, which I removed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany removed project banner with this edit summary "removed military history project from banner, not a military article and barely a mention of military action, covered elsewhere; rating is start from other projects, nothing here for military history to change it in any event." Donner60 (talk) 01:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Agreed. And I also note here the project's deprecation of the term "Nazi Germany". Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

• Conquest of Koneswaram Temple B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Dmytro Kiva B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Elizabeth Augusta Russell B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Fakhr al-Din al-Qibti After a more thorough look, reassess as start (failing b1, b2 and b5) with this edit summary: "assess start class; lead too short; significant number of sentences appear to be copied from sources, instances of direct quotes from subject which are dubious for such medieval persons, run-on sentences with disparate thoughts or facts all in the same sentence." Donner60 (talk) 05:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
• Francisco Vives B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Get Lost (organisation) B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:44, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• Grave Stele of Pollis B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• Hatton Compton B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:33, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• HMS Lucia B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:56, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• HMS Tintagel (1918) B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• HSwMS Niord B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• HSwMS Oden B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Jørgen Jørgensen's Revolution B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Malbork treaty B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Mewar-Malwa Conflict Needs attention to grammar. Downgraded to Start class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Misrata Military Council B class. It is a large armed faction alternately called Misrata Military Brigades, part of rebellion against Qaddafi. Donner60 (talk) 01:20, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oleksandr Polozhynskyi B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Operation Double Eagle B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Operation Volcano of Rage B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
• Pavel Chioru B class. Very little relationship to military history. One sentence in the lead about service in the Russian Civil War and a similar sentence in the first section. I suppose there is no harm in keeping the project banner although I think removing it would be justified. Donner60 (talk) 07:44, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
• Rakhine offensive (2023–present) C-class, fails b1 because two paragraphs in Background section are without citations; comment: something of a content fork but main articles are already too long. Donner60 (talk) 01:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
• Robert Benoist B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Robert E. Condon B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Russian destroyer Derzky B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Sack of Louvain B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Siege of Giurgiu B class. Comment: Potemkin-Coburg animosity strikes me as odd. A few other articles in this series are clearly defective but different editors. Donner60 (talk) 09:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
• Siege of Janjira B class. Donner60 (talk) 09:16, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
• Siege of Mukalimi I'll go with tag by Gog for project and bot assessment. One side is identified as "militants" or "insurgents" but perhaps not a formal military force; the other appears to be a civilian mob. Clash was after two rapes by members of the first group provoked revenge or calls for justice by second. Donner60 (talk) 07:28, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
• Siege of Segusio B class. Article is about what appears to have been a minor action in Constantine's war against Maxentius (brief siege, taking a resisting town but not sacking it and moving on quickly) that could just as well be in a campaign article with a redirect. But there seems to be no harm in keeping it as a B class military history article. Donner60 (talk) 07:50, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
• Siege of Vijayanagar B class but I have left a note for the editor asking if a citation can be provided for the size of the forces. A small force of 40,000 cavalry apparently defeated a force of approximately 1 million. The size of the forces is given in the infobox, but not in the text. Donner60 (talk) 04:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
• SMS G136 B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• SMS S143 B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• South Dakota Veterans Cemetery B class. Donner60 (talk) 22:08, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
• SS Aztec B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:35, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• SS Falaba B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• The Victorious Hannibal Seeing Italy from the Alps for the First Time B class. Title is the name of a painting by Francisco Goya. Donner60 (talk) 04:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• USS General G. W. Goethals B class. (One sentence at the end of a paragraph about a hull plating of SS-5, crew rescued by Goethals in 1920, being in the Naval Museum in Washington, DC, not having a citation can be overlooked, IMO; otherwise comprehensive.) Donner60 (talk) 05:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• War in Gotland (1403–1404) Needs work on grammar and sentence structure, at least. Intend to give it another look. Donner60 (talk) 07:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC) Not forgotten, should get back to it within the next few days. Donner60 (talk) 05:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC) Reduced to start class in line with banner shell rating with this edit summary: "changed bot rating of B class for military history project to start class in line with banner shell rating; fails b1 due to citation needed and page needed tags; fails b4 due to change in tenses in sentences, run-on sentences." Also, not likely known as War in Gotland (1403-1404). Combined with War in Gotland (1308) the topic is covered in one of the citations as "THE GOTLAND CAMPAIGN OF THE TEUTONIC KNIGHTS, 1398-1408." Donner60 (talk) 04:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• War of the Katzenelnbogen Succession B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• William White (British Army officer) B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Awards

I have approved all the quarterly awards except my own. Note that with the promotion of Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Fort McKavett State Historic Site at A-Class, Vami IV has been posthumously nominated for an A-class medal. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

AutoCheck report for April

The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:

• 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran Another child article of the recent conflict. B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• 30.5 cm MRK L/35 B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• Ambush near the Bay of Manila Titles like this are always a red flag for notability, but given a B. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• Attack in Hooghly B class. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 04:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• Bahmani–Vijayanagar War (1443) B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Dodderi Comment: Written by a sockmaster before discovery; administrator declined a speedy deletion request by an interested user. Has a template showing "may require copy editing." Donner60 (talk) 07:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC) Deleted May 12, 2024. Donner60 (talk) 04:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Romic B class. It is connected enough to the preceding civil war under a broad definition of military history. "Battle" may be appropriate due to the number of casualties. Several red links. Donner60 (talk) 23:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Te Pōrere B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Virserum B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• Carl-Gustaf Ståhl C class. Dates of rank section is unreferenced. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• Cortain B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• Crusade of the Infants of Aragon B class. The title could be misleading because the venture was led by "Infantes." Excluding a change to "infantes", the alternatives in the footnote don't seem better. I did a little research and found little more on this topic and nothing that gave any formal name. Donner60 (talk) 07:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
• Dení Prieto Stock B class for other projects. Left military history project banner and bot B class. IMO a tenuous connection to military history and not notable as a Mexican guerrilla. Radical teenage girls in training to be a Mexican opposition guerrilla in 1973; killed in an attack on the house where she and a few other trainees were stationed. Has become famous as a sort of cult hero. Open to banner removal as far as I am concerned. Donner60 (talk) 03:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
• Destruction of cultural heritage during the Israel–Hamas war Appears to be technically B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
• Foreign involvement in the Myanmar civil war (2021–present) B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• Hassan Pasha al-Iskandarani Only two sources, but will give it a B. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• Hector De Claire B class, but out of scope: mere service in the military, even during a conflict, is insufficient: the service must contribute to the subject's credible claim of significance. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• HMS Renard (1909) B class. Donner60 (talk) 07:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
• HMS Solebay (1711) B class. Donner60 (talk) 07:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
• Hwasong-16b B c;lass. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• Ilie Purcaru B class. Dubious about it being in scope. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• J. G. Greig B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• James Keith Fraser C class. Edit summary: reassess as C class, fails b2, looks more like start but technically meets b3-b5, may not even be properly defined as a military history article since it shows only grades held, no operations and only one duty as an embassy attache. Donner60 (talk) 23:19, 5 May 2024 (UTC) Further note: He was a lieutenant general, served at least 36 years. Even the duration is not stated definitely but based on mentioned dates of assignment and promotion. Assuming listing in Burke's peerage prompted the article. Close call at best but leaving the article under project banner due to long service and reaching a high grade. Donner60 (talk) 05:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
• James Redmond (artist) Left as B class. Removed project banner; notability is based on career as artist/painter not for service in WWII as a corporal and death in combat. Donner60 (talk) 05:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
• José Pellicer Gandía B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
• Llapusha-South Drenica Front B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• March on Rome (88 BC) B class. Comment: Appears to me that a more descriptive title could be devised about Sulla's (first) coup; apparently lacked comprehensive coverage previously. Donner60 (talk) 07:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
• Mikołaj Skrzetuski B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• Military history of Liechtenstein B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:18, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
• Mohamad Tony Harjono B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
• Murad Ebrahim B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
• Naoki Hyakuta B class although somewhat short. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• Navy Department Library B class. Comment: This is a reworked older article which has a few older dated sentences. Somewhat short but seems to be sufficient and meets technical criteria. Sending note to most recent editor about older sentences and perhaps adding U.S. or United States. Donner60 (talk) 04:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
• Pashtunistan conflict Deleted by an administrator using XFD closure. Donner60 (talk) 05:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• Pietro Bruzzi B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• Roland Crappé's raids on Portuguese colonies B class. Comment: Title somewhat ambiguous. Just over the line after a few copy edits. Donner60 (talk) 06:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• Saint-Barthélemy Mutiny Reassess as C class, mainly due to one-sentence lead. Donner60 (talk) 05:32, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• Shahed drones B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
• Shivaji's invasions of Janjira B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• Siege of Mount Tabor B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
• Siege of Nagyvárad (1660) B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• Siege of Ponda B class. Improvements were made by a sockpuppet and disruptive editor now indefinitely banned. A source is online and at least some of the text is verifiable. Donner60 (talk) 06:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• SMS G133 B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
• SS Pisa (1896) B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:10, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• Stanley Casson B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
• Teddy Wynyard B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
• The Holocaust and the Nakba Removed the project banner, still left as B class. Yet another technically B class article of the same tenor of other recent ones on the broader topic. I see no mention of military operations or actions or any real connection to military history. Donner60 (talk) 06:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC) User:Buidhe has reverted my removal of the project banner. Checking and removing the banner or even downgrading these types of articles is fruitless; debating anyone as to this type of article isn't going to be time well spent either. Donner60 (talk) 06:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
• Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 April 2024 – present) B class. Similar to earlier timelines also assessed B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• Willem Leyel's siege of Dansborg B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• Zapad 2013 B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

ACR to-do list for May 2024

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Plum Point Bend: Open since December 2023! Has two supports + sources and image reviews. Needs one more review.
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Henry Biard: Open since January. No supports so far. Archived.
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Saipan: Open since February. Needs one more review.
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of La Haye-du-Puits: Open since March. No supports so far. Now closed. Donner60 (talk) 01:02, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Tinian: Open since March. Needs one more review + source and image reviews.
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Henry Macandrew: Open since March. Open since March. One support. Needs one more review + source and image reviews.

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Three reassessment nominations (Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Sihanouk Trail, Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/T-26, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Fort Corcoran) could also use further attention. Hog Farm _Talk 20:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

AutoCheck report for May

The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:

• 19th Flak Division B class. Seems good enough for B but not much on second deployment; perhaps the unit did not do much other than move around during that deployment. Donner60 (talk) 07:28, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in the Netherlands Removed project banner with this summary "removed military history project banner, this has no military history that is not covered in military history articles, this is about protests; similar articles about Netherlands campus protests do not have the military history project banner" This is rated C in banner shell and cites 16 other projects. Donner60 (talk) 05:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
• Alexandru Talex Comment: This is a rather long article about a Romanian "Journalist editor translator politician trade unionist." Activist could be included. I don't see a single sentence that connects him to military history. The article doesn't say he even reported about it, but that may be implied, I suppose. I would remove the military history project banner but I will leave it for further comment because I have had such change reverted a time or two. It does appear to be B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  Seconded, I've removed the template. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 07:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• Antoine Martinez Removed military history project banner with this edit summary: "remove military history banner; almost nothing about his military service; notability is not based on military service, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history point 2 under scope, note 3, 3] Military service does not in and of itself place an individual within the scope of the project—particularly in the case of service in modern militaries. To qualify them, an individual's military service must have been somehow noteworthy or have contributed—directly or indirectly—to their notability" Translated from French Wikipedia, language is not neutral, IMO, but that doesn't contribute to edit summary left; remains B class in banner shell and for other projects. Donner60 (talk) 05:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
• Background of the Rafah offensive Another one-sided, non-neutral anti-Israel hit piece with considerable dubious sourcing. Has a "multiple issues" banner. Donner60 (talk) 05:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC) Probably need to stay with bot assessment on technicalities. A second look to confirm appears to me to be desirable. Donner60 (talk) 02:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
• Battle in the Liakhvi Gorge B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Giedraičiai B class. Almost all citations are to foreign language sources. Donner60 (talk) 08:21, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Morbihan B class. Donner60 (talk) 08:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Dago-class torpedo boat B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• De itinere navali B class. First sentence of article: "De itinere navali ('Of the Seaborne Journey') is an anonymous Latin account of the siege and capture of Silves in 1189, one of the expeditions of the Third Crusade." Donner60 (talk) 07:41, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Freedom from Fear: The American People in Depression and War, 1929–1945 B class. Donner60 (talk) 08:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• George W. Kirkman B class. Donner60 (talk) 08:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• HMS Falcon (1704) Thin article, changed to C class with this edit summary: "reduced to C class, failing b2 as incomplete; BusterD rated as start in 2022, nothing has changed since then except adding a category and correcting 2 typos." Donner60 (talk) 07:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• HMS Stonehenge (1919) B class. Donner60 (talk) 07:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Hvalen incident Leaving the B class assessment after further consideration of comment about ambiguous sentence, my first comment now removed here. The sentence may be clear enough and there very well might not be any further information. Message was updated; earlier comment here removed. Donner60 (talk) 08:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• INS Keshet (1982) Changed to C class with this edit summary: "changed to C class for military history project failing b2, nothing about the history of the ship, deployments etc.; same rating as sister ship INS Romach, that article is nearly identical." Donner60 (talk) 07:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Jean Ébrard, Seigneur de Saint-Sulpice B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Joe Iervasi B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• John Villa B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Mary Rose (1623) B class. Thin article. Struck a questioned sentence from lead to preserve B class assessment. Donner60 (talk) 04:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Milldam Barracks B class. Donner60 (talk) 08:08, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Mirabello Castle B class. Donner60 (talk) 08:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• MV Kota Pinang (Reconnaissance ship) B class in form. I am on the fence for this one and am leaving the B assessment. Short article with some interesting history. Characteristics are described only in infobox. I think a downgrade, at least to C, would be justifiable if anyone would prefer to change it. It is rated start in banner shell. Donner60 (talk) 08:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Operation Alpha 29 B class. I have asked a recent editor who has a user box about knowing Indonesian to clarify one or two sentences if possible. Donner60 (talk) 22:40, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Operation Tidal Wave II B class. Donner60 (talk) 23:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Peñón de Vélez de la Gomera expedition (1563) B class. Donner60 (talk) 23:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Raymond de Rouer de Pavie de Beccarie, Baron de Fourquevaux B class. Quite long. Donner60 (talk) 05:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Robert Poore B class. Donner60 (talk) 08:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Siege of Thane Girth Summit deleted article by banned or blocked user. Donner60 (talk) 07:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Siege of Tre Kronor B class. Donner60 (talk) 00:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Sir Hervey Bruce, 5th Baronet B class. Donner60 (talk) 07:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• SMS G134 B class. Donner60 (talk) 07:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Soviet submarine S-3 B class. Main sources are in Russian. Donner60 (talk) 04:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Soviet submarine S-4 B class. Main sources are in Russian but a little more reliance on Uboat.net. Donner60
• Soviet submarine S-55 B class. Same comment. Donner60 (talk) 04:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• SS Nyassa B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Sten Sture's war against the Totts B class. Donner60 (talk) 08:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Surindra Nath Sharma B class. Donner60 (talk) 23:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Swedish expedition to Livonia B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• The Blue Angels (film) B class. Donner60 (talk) 08:18, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Zapad 2009 Changed to C class with this edit summary: "reduce military history project bot assessment to C class, failing b2 because too much speculation; user who wrote much of the article rated it as start (which might be fair) the day before the bot rated it B class" Donner60 (talk) 07:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

ACR to-do list for July 2024

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Henry Biard: Open since January. Has two supports plus image review. Archived 11 October.
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Saipan: Open since February. Has three supports + source and image reviews. Needs closure. Closed, June 30, Bot confirmed about 30 minutes later. Donner60 (talk) 19:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of La Haye-du-Puits: Open since March. Has two supports + image review. Closed, promoted. Donner60 (talk) 01:03, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Tinian: Open since March. Has four supports + source and image reviews. Needs closure. Closed, June 30, Bot confirmed about 30 minutes later. Donner60 (talk) 19:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Henry Macandrew: Closed and passed A July 12, Bot confirmed. Donner60 (talk) 04:11, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Boot Monument: Closed and passed A September 13. Donner60 (talk) 05:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/HMS Sardonyx (1919): Open since May. Has one support + two reviews + source and image reviews. All reviews completed, has been promoted. Donner60 (talk) 08:04, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/CSS General Earl Van Dorn: Open since May. Has one support + image review. All reviews completed, has been promoted. Donner60 (talk) 08:04, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

AutoCheck report for June

The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:

• 1982 Guatemalan coup d'état Military officers participated in coup which overthrew government after 3 hours and apparently no bloodshed. Maybe broadly within scope of project. If so, B class. References are in footnotes, but not separately stated, FWIW. Donner60 (talk) 05:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• 1985 Ugandan coup d'état B class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• 2021 Philippine Air Force C-130 crash B class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• 2024 Varzaqan helicopter crash B class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Alan Owen (RAF officer) B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
• Aleksandrów Kujawski internment camp B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Apostol Piotr B class. A ship. Translated from Polish Wikipedia. 3 foreign language sources. Donner60 (talk) 05:09, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Attacks on the MV Tutor B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Bahadur post B1=no. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Kaliabor B class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Bavarian campaign (1646–1647) B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Brian Denaro B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Buq Buq labor camp B class. Asked author to provide page number(s) in response to a template placed by another user at one of two citations at the end of a paragraph. Donner60 (talk) 07:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
• December 1998 tourist kidnappings in Yemen B class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Decoration Day Ladies of Mississippi B class. Cleaned and decorated graves of Confederate soldiers on Decoration Day, now general national holiday of Memorial Day. Appears similar to an article found to be within scope of project. Donner60 (talk) 05:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Estelle Venner Keogh B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
• Friedrich-Wilhelm Strakeljahn B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• HMS Harpy (1909) B-class. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 21:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
• Hyperbola-1 B class but not sure this is in scope. Second opinion sought. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

  Agree not in scope. Removed. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 01:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

• Israeli war crimes in the Israel–Hamas war B class on a surface level review - 14000 provides quite the time sink! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Japanese occupation of West Sumatra B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:42, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Jean-Pierre Lévy (resistance leader) B class. Co-founded and at times coordinated the Franc-Tireur French resistance movement in World War II. Businessman before and after the war. Appears to be enough involvement to be within scope of project. Donner60 (talk) 05:50, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Kidal offensive B class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• List of displayed General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcons Re-assessed as a list Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
• Marengo campaign B class. Donner60 (talk) 08:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
• Michael Wettlaufer B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
• Military of the Shang dynasty C class. Do not know if Kneightley (1999) is the same as Keightley (2012) - expert opinion required. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

  The Wikipedia article about Keightley and a search for his books on Amazon do not show a book written by him that was published in 1999. The length of time from his PhD dissertation to the 2012 book as cited in a 2014 review article about the 2012 book would not allow for the 1999 book to be an earlier version. If a 1999 book is being cited in the two notes that show the 1999 date and is not a complete error, I suspect that the 1999 book was written by someone with a different name entirely and not a name with just one letter different from Keightley, as well as likely having a different title. (Stranger things have happened than 2 Chinese history experts with such similar Western names but...) Not an expert opinion on such books, so this is FWIW. Donner60 (talk) 07:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

• Siege of Al-Qarara Start. Fails B3 due to single-sentence lead. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 01:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
• Siege of Älvsborg (1439) B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Siege of Daulatabad (1633) B class. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 01:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
• Ștefan Tita B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Transylvanian campaign into Poland (1657) B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Uckermark War (1412–1415) B class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• United Kingdom and the Russian invasion of Ukraine B class but yet another article on a recent conflict which is loaded with facts but somehow still light on information. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Viriato Fernandes B class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Wolfgang Larrazábal B class. Former supreme commander of the Venezuelan Navy, President for most of 1958 after military coup, gave up Presidency peacefully after December election. Probably just enough about military service to come within scope of project. Donner60 (talk) 05:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• YMCA Building (San Diego) B class. Building orignially was an "Army & Navy YMCA", providing accommodations during World War II in particular; eventually came under the separate civilian branch of the organization; appears to be enough to qualify under the project. Donner60 (talk) 05:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Zaini Ahmad Removed project banner with this edit summary: removed military history project banner and bot assessment: Zaini notability is not based on any military service or operation; he had no military service, no shown involvement in any military operation; he was a politician whose Brunei People's Party was linked to an Indonesian sponsored militia, he is shown in the infobox of Brunei Revolt as a "leader" but is not mentioned in the article Donner60 (talk) 04:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

change to 96th Infantry page?

Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history Donner60 (talk) 21:17, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Error in strike through; June auto check unfinished

@WP:MILHIST coordinators: Five days ago I made a mistake in a close strike through symbol in a previous section which resulted in the entire June ACR page showing strike throughs. In fact, not all of the articles have yet been checked. User:Pickersgill-Cunliffe saw the error and corrected it. Sorry for the mistake. Donner60 (talk) 21:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

AutoCheck report for July

The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:

• Andrew Gillison B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Assault on Karlsborg B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Background to the Israel–Hamas war Another toxic article. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Khannour B class. Donner60 (talk) 08:40, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of La Plata (1957) B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:50, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Mesaimeer B class, changed banner shell to B. Donner60 (talk) 01:52, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Thorgo B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Tinzaouaten (2024) B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
• Bertie Hoare B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Capture of Tortuga B class after adding See also Tortuga (Haiti) for more on the aftermath. Donner60 (talk) 22:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• Donald Walker (cricketer) Notable mainly as cricketer. Shot down and killed as a pilot in WWII, little else about military service. Enough for military history? I tend toward not enough but I think it is close enough that another opinion should be given. Donner60 (talk) 01:24, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  I think a military death puts him over the edge towards MILHIST; but others may disagree. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 12:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

  I will agree to that since I was on the fence and only slightly tending toward not in the scope. Donner60 (talk) 01:56, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

• Estonian destroyer Wambola B class. Donner60 (talk) 00:56, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
• First Bishops' War B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:05, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• French ironclad Taureau B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Gordon Stockade B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Hattusili's Civil War B class. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 12:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Hu Peng-class torpedo boat B class. Donner60 (talk) 08:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• June 2024 Second Thomas Shoal incident B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:54, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
• Malin massacre B class after a few edits. (I think a clearer word than "reaching" at two points would be an improvement.) Donner60 (talk) 04:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Military Archive, Belgrade B class. Short article, foreign language sources, probably little if anything can be written about this. Donner60 (talk) 08:34, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• Organization of Special Combat Actions B class. Translated from Polish Wikipedia. Donner60 (talk) 03:46, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
• Otto Adolf Weismann von Weißenstein Start. Fails b4 for grammatical errors, poor writing. Left this edit summary: changed assessment for military history project to start; note the template about translation, grammatical errors; may or may not meet b2 but leaving bot assessment for now. Donner60 (talk) 01:15, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
• Raid on Chesconessex Creek B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Siege of Garni Start; B3=no from one sentence lead. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 12:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Siege of Perth (1339) B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:16, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
• SMS S51 (1915) B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Spillover of the Myanmar civil war (2021–present) B class. This is an appropriate sub-article on a distinct related topic. Main article is 163,478 bytes. I wonder whether there could be a better title? Donner60 (talk) 04:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
• The Hooded Man B class. Reviewed this one at DYK. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
• Tott's Russian wars B class after copy edits. Another title that suggests the actions might not be known by this name when written by historians but is difficult to check. Donner60 (talk) 22:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• William Hewett (British Army officer) B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

@WP:MILHIST coordinators: About 16 hours ago I made another mistake in a close strike through symbol in a previous section which resulted in the entire July ACR page showing strike throughs. In fact, only a few of the articles have been checked. At least the error did go as long as the last one and perhaps had yet to be noticed. Obviously I need to be more careful with these strike throughs and not rush through them apparently without previewing. That's a mistake that I think that I do not often make. Sorry for the further mistake and possibly misleading anyone who looked at that section. Donner60 (talk) 21:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Election time

@WP:MILHIST coordinators: It's that time of the year again! Does anyone believe anything should be changed, or are we happy to go with a copy-paste of the process and spiel from last year? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 10:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Last year I documented the process in the #How to... section above. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 11:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Very helpful! What timespan are we looking at this year? I'd be in favour of anything between 10 and 14 days for nominations and voting each, starting on 1 September? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 11:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks PC. My preference would be 10 days for each. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:24, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

@Pickersgill-Cunliffe, Gog the Mild, and Hawkeye7: (Others have not yet commented so original ping should be sufficient for them.) As I recall, adequate notice was given late last year which was at least part of the reason for continuing with the 14-day periods. As long as timely notice is given, and September 1 is the starting date, I an indifferent as to whether the period is 10 days or 14 days. I think the amount of work to be done for the project suggests that more coordinators are needed. I would favor at least 9 plus the lead coordinator. Based on the small number nominees last year, some recruiting may be needed. Labor Day in the United States is Monday, September 2, early in a notice period starting September 1. That is a holday weekend and some people take late summer vacations the previous week and over that weekend. That could limit the number of Americans who are online during that period, which is another reason that I suggest not starting the process earlier. Donner60 (talk) 05:21, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

I have created the main page, the tally and the status for the election. I haven't done this before so if someone could double check my dates that would be great. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 19:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh good, I was worried that no one had gotten to this yet. Pleased to see that was not the case. Carry on! TomStar81 (Talk) 18:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

If coords want to start pondering whether they are standing for re-election soon..! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 18:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7: With the start imminent, would you be willing to handle the task of the initial announcement/MMS? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 09:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Sure. I will send out the MMS tomorrow. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 12:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@Donner60: @Harrias: Pinging as you two haven't noted whether you're running for re-election or not. No pressure, but just in case it's passed you by. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 00:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I also believe Schierbecker wanted to run for re-election but appears to have lost access to their account. Not sure if there's an update there? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 00:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

@Pickersgill-Cunliffe: If we don't get a full complement, I'm happy to stay on, but to be honest, life has got away from me this year, and I've barely had any time for Wikipedia. Hopefully things should calm down again from around Spring 2025, but who knows. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 20:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Harrias: Hope you're doing well. Don't feel discouraged from putting your name forward now, and there's always co-opting later in the year if you like. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 20:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7: Thoughts on doing another message for the voting period, or is one enough? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 12:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

I'd personally like to see a mass message for the voting period - these elections seem to be running much more under the radar than they have in the past. Hog Farm _Talk 21:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

On board with that. A new mass message specifically indicating that voting is open (and what WikiProject it refers to!) would ensure some more interaction. I don't personally think two in a month would creep into the realm of spam. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Agree. The Bugle will be going out shortly, with a note about the election, but every bit helps. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 21:49, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I will send out another mass message. I am always a bit nervous about them. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Send a draft here first if you like...needs to be little more than informing people they can now vote, imo. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 18:32, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I sent one out before I saw this, but I will add a new pro forma for use next year. Bear with me - I only just got back from Europe. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

• I have regained access to my account! I regret I probably won't have as much time to contribute this year as a rank-and-file member. I will keep this page watchlisted. Schierbecker (talk) 23:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Glad to have you back! Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Schierbecker: I echo Hawkeye! Keep in mind that co-opting as a coord is an available option; before you lost your account you had put yourself down for re-election. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 20:24, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

AutoCheck report for August

The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:

• 1917 Franco-Russian agreement B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
• Action at Tsari B class. Confirmed the bot assessment on August 27 due to review of contest entry because of template placed in article; later edits appeared to satisfy reason for template. Donner60 (talk) 01:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
• Alan Hotham B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:51, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
• Alexander Johnston (British Army officer) B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:51, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
• Allied landing craft in World War II B class. Curiously, the article is translated from the Polish Wikipedia. One of the four references is in Polish. Donner60 (talk) 05:24, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Al-Tabaeen school attack Another apparently toxic and probably biased anti-Israel article; I did not read very far but I don't want to finish and confirm it. As all the articles on the topic seem to do, it likely appears to meet B class criteria at least superficially because of the proper construction of the text and supposedly reliable sources. Donner60 (talk) 05:05, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Amelia Peabody Tileston B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Gopło B class criteria present. Seven foreign language sources so difficult to check anything, no specific mention in linked articles but some apparently related events mentioned. Donner60 (talk) 04:23, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Kurukov Lake (1625) B class. Brief article, 4 of 5 sources are foreign language, meets all criteria. Donner60 (talk) 04:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Oździutycze Edit summary: reduce military history project rating to start in line with banner shell, other projects; main editor used questionable sources, was reverted many times for errors and has been indefinitely banned, needs review and editing by a competent editor with reliable sources, neutral POV. Donner60 (talk) 05:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Pont-Charrault B class. Changed C in banner shell to conform. Translated from French Wikipedia. All foreign language sources. Donner60 (talk) 05:02, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Satara (1798) Edit summary: "reassessed as C class for military history project; in line with rater rating but that did not include criteria; downgrade because one sentence lead is not an accurate summary; some doubt as to whether two references, one a PhD thesis, is enough but leaving reference criteria as is for now." Donner60 (talk) 04:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC) Later note: Editor is under investigation as a sockpuppet, part of a whole group of probably related editors introducing biased and one-sided articles about India and Maratha Empire. Changing assessment to start for inadequate referencing. Possible eventual deletion? Donner60 (talk) 01:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Claiborne Walker B class. Donner60 (talk) 07:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Dano-Swedish War (1813–1814) B class. Required numerous minor copy edits to keep the assessment. Donner60 (talk) 06:23, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Egyptian Labour Corps mutinies B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Errol Noack B class. Donner60 (talk) 07:21, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• French ironclad Jemmapes B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
• Fuad Shukr B class. Some controversy on talk page but article itself appears now to meet the necessary criteria and appears to be neutral POV. Donner60 (talk) 05:44, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Howard's Adventure B class. A former slave plantation property in Anne Arundel County, MD; purchased in part by the US Naval Academy in 1913 during a typhoid epidemic and run as a dairy farm to supply milk to the academy until 1997. Rather tangential to the military but appears to be within the scope of the project nonetheless. Donner60 (talk) 05:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
• Jemmapes-class ironclad B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
• Mahmud Gawan B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Raid on Tabankort (2011) B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Regulation of Foreign Military Assistance Act, 1998 A South African law prohibiting mercenary activity and criminalizing financing, engaging in, or recruiting, training or employing people for mercenary activity, in South Africa or abroad, including unauthorized rendering of foreign military assistance. Donner60 (talk) 05:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
• Siege of Badami (1786) Reassessed as start. Another suspect, possibly biased article about Maratha Emprire by a suspected sockpuppet. Deletion discussion ongoing. Donner60 (talk) 04:15, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Skirmish at the Isle of Wight B class. For me, it seems odd to use "skirmish" as a title of an article on a minor naval battle but assume it is not an important point. Donner60 (talk) 05:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
• Submarine Mining Service B class. Donner60 (talk) 07:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Sviatoslav II of Kiev B class. Donner60 (talk) 07:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• The Showman B class. A book about Volodymyr Zelensky’s wartime leadership and strategy. Donner60 (talk) 01:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Help Joining this Group

Hello gentleman I am new to this, so please be patient with me. I am hoping to join your group, and the American Military history taskforce. Specifically. I have some ideas about adding to the List of wars involving the United States and creating and contributing to related articles. My interest is in smaller wars that not as many people know about. But I want to discuss my ideas with all the people working on these projects, because I want to be a team player and not just jump in without consulting anyone. I want to be extremely respectful to everyone's time and efforts. Please advice when possible.

And thank you for all your help. (: Historyguy1138 (talk) 17:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Reposted on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history for wider coverage. Coordinators will not necessarily know what other experienced users, members of the project and any others interested in the subject may be working on. This page is probably watched only by coordinators and perhaps a few others, including past coordinators. If you do not see an article on the list, you might search to see if one has been written and not added. If you write an article about a topic not on the list, and the article is kept as notable and not covered already, you could add it to the list and see whether anyone watching the list has some comment or believes the action is covered in another article.

Other than that, without specifics, my thought is that only those directly working on such articles and lists might respond. For a general question, that is likely to be on the project talk page. Also, consider adding your user name to Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/United States military history task force and any relevant period task forces. You could send a query to all of the members of that group. Some are possibly not very active or not being work on the specific questions you have in mind. Putting a message on the user talk pages of the task force members may be the best way to get some responses from users who may be working on the topic. Also, you should add your name to Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Members so that you will receive the monthly newsletter, the Bugle, and other mass mail messages from the project. Donner60 (talk) 21:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

USS Texas (BB-35) A-Class reappraisal

Just like the Texas herself, I believe that it's time to bring this neglected 15 year-old A-class article to dry dock for repairs. There are several issues (article version):

• A1: The citation style is inconsistent. There are refs (including some bare URLs) mixed in with {{sfn}}s. Some claims are cited to irreputable sources, such as YouTube videos (e.g., ref 71) and primary sources (see all 18 references tagged with {{third-party inline}} as of Sept. 2012). There's also a valid {{failed verification}} tag from Nov. 2012 and three valid citation needed tags (oldest Jan. 2023). Additionally, all but one of the nine footnotes (ref group A) lack inline citations.
• A2: The article goes into unnecessary detail in that it relies on primary sources. It also lacks relevant detail in that the 2022 dry docking section hasn't been updated since April 2024. Additionally, given the sourcing issues, the article may not be factually accurate.
• A3: The service history section is well-organized, but the museum section has several sub-sections with three short paragraphs mixed in with much longer sub-sections. Both could also use years in parentheticals in the subheadings.

I will be bringing these concerns to GA reassessment as well. Best, voorts (talk/contributions) 01:23, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

I've nominated this for GAR as well: USS Texas (BB-35) (nom). voorts (talk/contributions) 01:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Reposted this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history for greater coverage. Posts on this page are unlikely to be seen by many, if any, project members who are not current or emeritus coordinators. Donner60 (talk) 01:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Donner60. Just to note, the instructions on the A-class review page say "If an editor feels that any current A-class article no longer meet the standards and may thus need to be considered for demotion (i.e. it needs a re-appraisal) please leave a message for the project coordinators, who will be happy to help." If these should instead be posted at the main project talk, that guidance should probably be changed. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:52, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

The message does not need to be changed but we do need to sort out what to do about an A-class review request and simultaneous GA request, rather than just a GA review request. Your note referred to bringing the matter up for GA reassessment. These are of more general interest and often receive comments from experienced or interested users and either draw the attention of users who want to work on bringing the article up to standard. An outcome to delist a GA may be made based on consensus and comments that the article needs work and should be delisted if no one comes forward to fix it. My first impression is that there should be sources available so that the article could be brought back to at least a GA assessment. Some of the problems are cleanup problems and don't appear at first glance to require many additional references.

This is a little out of my subject areas of concentration and I do not have the time right now to spend on working on a reassessment where considerable time may be needed for improvements to this article. Other members of the project who have worked on the Majestic Titan project, not just coordinators, should be able to help with this type of article if they see this and are motivated to help improve the article. The A-class assessment probably should be handled separately, and considered first, although an article that does not meet GA standards almost certainly would not meet A class standards in a separate review. Some of those users being pinged likely can help with that.

With your second post in mind, I did not understand that you were asking for help on an A-class review but thought a GA was the real problem to be addressed. So that was a mistaken interpretation or too quick a consideration. I checked and saw that in fact that while the overall assessment appears to be GA, the military history project assessment is still shown as A-class. So it appears that both assessments have been brought in issue here. I left your message here so other coordinators might also be more likely to see it. I am now pinging the other coordinators and a few experienced editors or former coordinators who may be interested in this article to let them know that my response did not fully reply to your concern and to see if they have any interest in the reassessments or other comments or can help with setting up an A-class review. I have not set up any A-class reviews. If that needs to be done, someone more familiar with the process and with more experience with A-class reviews should be able to handle this more adequately and quickly than I can if I have start my first one now from scratch. Sorry for any misunderstanding or delay. @WP:MILHIST coordinators: @Hog Farm, Matarisvan, Dank, Ed!, Sturmvogel 66, MisterBee1966, Thewellman, TomStar81, DPdH, and Parsecboy: Donner60 (talk) 06:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

This topic is also outside my area of "expertise". I would recommend that the original editor, I believe it was @TomStar81:, has a look at the concerns brought forward. In my view, they have some validity to them, in particular the citation style could be more concise. With respect to sourcing, different editors interpret the guidelines for reliability differently. To some, reliability and notability can only be derived from academic secondary sources, while others tolerate primary sources for some content, like stats. Not sure if this was helpful. Cheers MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

An article may not be nominated for an A-Class review and be a Featured article candidate, undergoing a Peer Review, or have a Good article nomination at the same time. It doesn't say anything about GAR but I think this should also apply. Otherwise, we would have two pages on which comments would be posted and answered. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Given that most GARs aren't well attended, I don't see the harm in proceeding with the A class reassessment. If A class can be retained, then it will certainly meet GA. voorts (talk/contributions) 13:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I would personally prefer to see the GAR closed before the A-Class re-review is opened, for the same reasons as Hawkeye above. Hog Farm _Talk 17:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Ibid, best to close the GAR. Avoid confusion and sort the more complicated review first. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 17:51, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I'll ask the GAR coordinators if it can be placed on hold. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment: There has been a recent change. Formerly, an article could be rated as A-class by some projects and a Good Article by others. Now that we have PIQA, it will be rated A-class by all projects. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7: Am I right in saying that while the rating is shared, there isn't a centralised review? We still review Milhist A-class articles within the WikiProject? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 19:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that is correct. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I thought that MILHIST opted out of PIQA, so it should be GA for every other project. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

We did not opt out of PIQA. We are still resolving some issues. A-class is a standard grade under PIQA. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

For example, Talk:Trident (UK nuclear programme); the article is now marked as A-class for all projects. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

The GAR discussion is now on hold. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hog Farm & @Pickersgill-Cunliffe: can this proceed to reappraisal now? voorts (talk/contributions) 23:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Y It is done. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

AutoCheck report for September

The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:

• 1943 Greek protests against labour mobilization B class. About Nazi attempts to conscript Greek laborers and resistance to this against collaborationist government. Donner60 (talk) 00:55, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• 20 September 2024 Beirut attack B class in form. The type of article that I have stopped reading but read this one and I think it is less biased than the usual article on this subject. There is questionable sourcing for a sentence in the lead about casualties. Last section is in somewhat neutral language. Donner60 (talk) 00:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• 47th Infantry Regiment "Ferrara" B class. I confirmed the bot assessment earlier. Donner60 (talk) 00:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Alastair Campbell (sportsman) Removed project banner with this edit summary: removed military history project banner; See Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history "Military service does not in and of itself place an individual within the scope of the project—particularly in the case of service in modern militaries. To qualify them, an individual's military service must have been somehow noteworthy or have contributed—directly or indirectly—to their notability." Seems to have mostly played football, not posted overseas during war." Donner60 (talk) 00:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Apti Alaudinov I removed a POV template because no reason was given and no discussion started on the talk page for more than a month. The rationale isn't obvious but might be guessed. The only problem that I see about the form is that the lede is only one sentence. If anyone sees a reason to change the assessment, please go ahead. I am not striking the listing immediately in case this needs further evaluaton. Donner60 (talk) 03:50, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Archcliffe Fort B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:02, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Axspoele B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Battle of Bogucin B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Bedir Khan Beg B class in form. Expanded by about one-third since template about expanding from Turkish Wikipedia article was added in 2020. Translation of Turkish article appears to me to have some questionable or unnecessary possible additions but, of course, sources are inaccessible. My view is to leave the B class assessment. Donner60 (talk) 00:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Brazilian corvette Liberal B class. Only a two sentence lead and one long section of history. Seems to be not enough of a problem to downgrade or ask for more. Any coordinator who thinks otherwise can change this if they wish. Donner60 (talk) 01:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Capul Church B class. Short article about a fortress church in the Philippines built to protect the town from Moro invasion in the 1600s. Donner60 (talk) 00:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Director General Project Seabird Reduced to C class, fails b2 due to an incomplete list, an obvious omission. Donner60 (talk) 05:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
• Emma Unson Rotor B class. Filipino-American physicist and mathematician whose pioneering work during World War II significantly contributed to the development of the proximity fuse. Donner60 (talk) 01:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Fourth Scutari-Berat War B class. A few sentences are somewhat run-on but not bad enough to downgrade. IMO. Orphan template. Donner60 (talk) 05:28, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
• HMS Norman (1916) B class. Previously checked for contest entry. Donner60 (talk) 01:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• HMY Conqueror II B class. Donner60 (talk) 00:46, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Jean Demozay B class. I confirmed the bot assessment earlier. Donner60 (talk) 00:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• John A. Pritchard C class, owing to a missing section. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Jonathan Conricus I left this note on the talk page; not sure how it might affect the assessment class- C? "This article contains relative time references which should be modified. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch#Relative time references "Absolute specifications of time are preferred to relative constructions using recently, currently, now and so on, because the latter may go out of date....When material in an article may become out of date, follow the Wikipedia:As of guideline, which allows information to be written in a less time-dependent way. The "as of" technique is implemented in the As of {{{1}}} template; it additionally tags information that will become dated. As of October 2024 produces the text As of October 2024 and categorises the article appropriately." Donner60 (talk) 02:04, 2 October 2024 (UTC) Changed assessment to C class, failing b2 due to relative time references. Donner60 (talk) 06:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Justiniano Borgoño B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:37, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
• Middlesex Regiment alien labour units B class. 01:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• NMS Ardeal B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• NMS Basarabia B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• NMS Bucovina B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:04, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Northern Kosovo clashes B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:40, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
• Shah Jahan's Central Asian campaign Probably B class; one citation needed tag - enough to hold it back? It has a three sentence lead. The Result in the infobox is: "Status quo ante bellum'" which is not a result approved by the strict guidelines, though it appears to be accurate. Some dissension on user talk pages but not on the article talk page, mainly about sourcing. Objector does not seem to have good arguments but the sources are mostly inaccessible. The change of title of the article to its current title may be less likely to be recognized than Balkh Campaign, a stated alternate name of the campaign, but the change seems to be a done deal and not too important. Leaving this open for anyone else to comment. Donner60 (talk) 00:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• SMS V183 B class. Donner60 (talk) 00:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Tenentist revolts in Mato Grosso B class. Noted to editor a capitalization difference from guidelines on officer/soldier ranks. Donner60 (talk) 08:06, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
• Toropets depot explosions B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:13, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
• Treaty of Tingmosgang Changed assessment to C class due to several citations with missing page numbers. Donner60 (talk) 04:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• USS Relief (ID-2170) B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wales in the World Wars Reassessed as start class. Edit summary: "reassessed as start class for military history project and in banner shell; original author topic banned https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1225823800, serious questions have been raised about adequacy of sources and coverage of the topic." If any other coordinator thinks a different assessment (eg. C was in the banner shell) is appropriate, please change. Donner60 (talk) 01:50, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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