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AfD visualization

Hello, I'm not sure if this is the right place as I'm completely new here - please let me know if it's not. I'm in the field of data visualization and currently considering and sketching a project that visualizes the Women Articles for Deletion and aspects of the debates. The broad goal is to provide an additional (visual) access to the debates for people not deeply familiar with Wikipedia policies and processes (such as my learning self). I'm very interested in your impressions of the deletion debates.

Some aspects that I'm considering including in the visualization: number of keep and delete votes / mentions of policies / length of debates / content pieces of a nominated article / ...

The idea is to build a web-based visualization that mirrors the current Articles for Deletion and that makes them accessible from a visual perspective (possibly for monitoring and engaging in deletion debates). The idea is a big work in progress. My question to you is, what functionalities and processes are relevant when engaging in deletion debates? I read this essay and other, external research but I'm curious if anyone here has additional pointers or remarks. Thank you for reading. --DdVvWw (talk) 16:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Deletion debates follow WP:GNG guidelines, or special/specific notability guidelines like WP:NARTIST or WP:NSPORT. The main question in an AfD is whether someone is notable enough, based on the existence of WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS. There is a lot of editor subjectivity involved in the process, since it relies on forming a judgement by argument and discussion. Some parts of that decision process cannot be quantified (for example, analyzing a source for its value towards determining notability.) That said, it would be very interesting to see the hard data of which pages are being nominated by gender, for example, and how they fare. I'm not sure you can scrape the Wikipedia API precisely for things like gender or race, as this would depend on the state of the article's categorization, which is a manual process.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I have to agree: the biggest issue at AfD is how good the arguments for notability are. A useful visualization would be for women vs. men in this regard. Are more women in a field put up for AfD (i.e. thought to be less notable), is it harder to argue women's notability during the discussions, etc. Kingsif (talk) 17:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

That's very subjective stuff & hard to pin down. There has been plenty of research on gender at Afd in the past (some now rather too long in the past). It has tended not to show dramatic gender differences, especially in recent years - in fact from memory women's biog are actually less likely to be deleted in some research. Perhaps someone know where to find this stuff better than I do. Johnbod (talk) 17:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, understanding the different guidelines seems essential to me, too. They appear difficult to navigate, in terms of applicability and weight and, as ThatMontrealIP mentions, their relevance in debates seems high but hard/impossible to quantify. Nevertheless, it seems an interesting direction, even before analyzing debates by e.g. the gender of a biography/person. I'm going to consider these approaches and may come back here in the process of my work. Thanks for the thoughts everyone. --DdVvWw (talk) 09:04, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

A rough subject-wise "visualisation" of AfDs exists at User:SDZeroBot/AfD sorting, which shows the nomination statement and a count of keep/delete votes. While it's technically easy to add an excerpt of the article or length of the debate, I haven't done so due to the limited horizontal space on peoples' screens. SD0001 (talk) 18:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

That's fun actually! Why is Wheelers Primitive Baptist Church under "Culture / Visual arts"? Johnbod (talk) 21:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

The placement isn't really that wrong as it should have been ideally in Culture/Visual Arts/Architecture, which is a subtopic of Culture/Visual Arts. For some reason, ORES didn't zero in on the subtopic for this one. Not so great topic predictions like this are just the outliers. SD0001 (talk) 06:25, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

That is a really nice overview! Now I'm realizing that it is actually possible to see an excerpt with the link's article preview. Not sure how the content of the preview is determined, but it adds interesting value to see nomination statement and content simultaneously. --DdVvWw (talk) 09:04, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Anne Nelson

Hi Folks. Anybody fancy expanding the Anne Nelson. She is major heavy-weight political scientist and the article is little more than a stub. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 16:09, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

United Nations redlist

The United nations redlist has been updated up to May 2020. This includes newly appointed Special Rapporteurs and Independent Experts. I've also added a section on Working Groups members. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:34, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

MrLinkinPark333: Thanks for all the work you've done on this. Plenty of names to choose from now.--Ipigott (talk) 07:09, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Editathon Draft needs a second look

Hi everyone! In March, I did an online editathon and one of the articles that came out of the process is Draft:Jennifer Sarah Powers by new user, Toroglaura. I think the subject, who is an associate professor, is borderline notable, and let her know. However, the academic publications and citations, etc, might put her over into notable. Can anyone who is confident in judging academics in the sciences take a quick look? I'd appreciate it. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:52, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

I absolutely think so. Powers is highly cited, a fellow of the Ecological Society of America and editor-in-chief of Biotropica. Let me know if you'd like me to move the draft to mainspace. You may want to consider naming it Jennifer S. Powers based on her academic profile and google scholar. TJMSmith (talk) 18:13, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Concur. Fellowship of the ESA meets WP:NACADEMIC Criteria 3: "The person has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association". Powers is listed as a fellow at https://www.esa.org/programs/fellows-program/esa-fellows/, which explains fellows as "members who have made outstanding contributions to a wide range of fields served by ESA, including, but not restricted to those that advance or apply ecological knowledge in academics, government, non-profit organizations and the broader society. They are elected for life." --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:45, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you much for your help, do you have any suggestions for improving Jennifer's article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toroglaura (talk • contribs) 15:52, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Redlink list (African-American physicians) not clearing blue links

Why is the African-American physicians redlink list showing so many blue links? When I clicked update, it didn't seem to make any difference (the blue links remained). TJMSmith (talk) 00:55, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Dodgy SPARQL, now fixed. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:25, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks! TJMSmith (talk) 01:40, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

American Women Scientists at the Internet Archive

Hello. I was wondering if anyone was interested in extracting women scientists from the Internet Archive. Examples include:

• Notable Women Scientists (1999)
• Women in the biological sciences : a biobibliographic sourcebook (1997)
• Notable women in the physical sciences : a biographical dictionary (1997)
• The biographical dictionary of women in science (2000)
• American women in science (1994 this one is Volume 2)

I used these sources when creating Betty Sullivan and Birgit Vennesland :) There's a whole lot more in these search results --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:33, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

This is like catnip, thank you very much for the links! Keilana (talk) 21:55, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Good to see you've become active again, Keilana. I see you've been doing a great job on COVID since mid-March. Hope you are well and are happy in professional life. And congratulations on your D.O.--Ipigott (talk) 07:27, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Black Lives Matter editathon June 2020

Some editors here may be interested in the this editathon: Wikipedia:WikiProject Black Lives Matter/June 2020. Maybe a future collaborative BLM and WIR editathon could be planned. TJMSmith (talk) 00:42, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Let's wait a month or two and see how all this develops. In the meantime, any articles about BLM-related women can of course be included under #1day1woman. See also the discussion on our ideas page.--Ipigott (talk) 07:35, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Sophie Lööf

may or may not be a WP:Women in red candidate. The content, unfortunately, was unctuously promotional. You may wish to evaluate for potential. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 14:18, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

AfD

Sarah Iannarone has been nominated for deletion. I invite project members to review current and potential sourcing and weigh in on the AfD discussion. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

COVID Health and Gender Editathon with UNFPA and UN Women this Friday - Sunday

Dear all

You are invited to an editathon to improve COVID-19 information on Wikipedia in collaboration with UNFPA and UN Women. Wikimedia Sverige has been trailing a new process to make it easier for expert organisations to share information on Wikipedia.

The editathon workshop will take place on Friday 5th June at 15:30 - 17:30 UTC (17:30 - 19:30 CET, 11:30 - 13:30 ET) and will continue remotely until Sunday evening. To find out more and sign up please follow the link.

• https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/COVID-19/Health_and_Gender_Editathon

Please share this message with others who may be interested.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 15:27, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

John Cummings: Collaboration with UN Women should be useful in connection with our focus this month on the UN & agencies. Please also draw the attention of your participants to Women in Red and our efforts to improve coverage of women connected to the various United Nations bodies. If you are developing red lists, you could perhaps add names to our UN crowd-sourced redlist.--Ipigott (talk) 07:00, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey, everyone!

Having my desktop die put a bit of a damper on things, but I'm pretty much back now. How's it going? Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.3% of all FPs} 12:28, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, welcome back! Been talking about you. When Marie-Aimée Roger-Miclos was the featured picture, my husband said "this looks like someone you'd write about" and I replied, "well, I did start that one!" So thank you, your work made for an entertaining moment at our house this month. Penny Richards (talk) 13:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Ha! Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.3% of all FPs} 14:05, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Very glad to have you back Adam Cuerden. (Looks around to see what photos I can send that way). SusunW (talk) 13:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Still have a couple to finish, but think I might get back into it with a couple easy ones, like the Sharon Tate one I did this week. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.3% of all FPs} 14:03, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@Adam Cuerden: I was going to welcome you back with something suitably musical, but all I could think of off the top of my head was "Salut, demeure" - they showed Faust on TV the other night. So I'll stick to "Welcome back" for now. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 14:11, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Your restoration work on photos is incredible! TJMSmith (talk) 14:12, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Adam! Glad to hear your computer problems have been sorted out. I hope you now have the necessary equipment to come up with a new series of top-class images amd time to help the rest of us out with our imaging problems.--Ipigott (talk) 18:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Maria Lauder

Hi, Adam, and welcome back! I'd like to nominate a photo (on the far right) for your wizardry. The biography, Maria Elise Turner Lauder, was the 6th million article and it's still getting some press attention, e.g. CBS News Sunday Morning. But the photo is pretty tacky. No rush, and no worries if you think it's too far gone. --Rosiestep (talk) 06:51, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rosiestep: I've done about all I can do without a better original. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.3% of all FPs} 00:52, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Oh yes, it is certainly better, @Adam; thank you! --Rosiestep (talk) 02:10, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden Any chance that this can be cleaned up and used? Sándor Vay died in 1918, so it is clear it was taken before then. I think it is a better image than either of the two images in the article I wrote, if it can be cleaned up, but I don't know how to evaluate that. SusunW (talk) 13:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@SusunW: I think it's doable. Is it already on Commons? A lot of the Wellcome images are. I don't know if it'll pass FP, but it doesn't look too bad for cleanup, so I'll get to it after File:Mademoiselle Maupin de l'Opéra (Julie d'Aubigny).jpg Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.3% of all FPs} 15:34, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Adam Cuerden and I don't know if it is in commons. But I didn't find it in images of the Vay family and Sándor doesn't have his own category. SusunW (talk) 15:41, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, Julie d'Aubigny is done, so on to Sándor Vey tomorrow. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.3% of all FPs} 20:19, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

List of American Physical Society Fellows

I noticed that someone had started a List of American Physical Society Fellows, and thanks to a discussion a while back I had scraped the full list from the APS website and written a little Python to parse it, so I went ahead and filled it in. Women on the list are notable by WP:PROF, of course. (For example, I think Jane M Dewey is Jane Mary Dewey, daughter of John Dewey.) Some of the redlinks should possibly already be blue — the spelling in the list is straight from the website, so initials might be present or absent, depending. XOR'easter (talk) 23:42, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

XOR'easter- I wanted to chime in and say this is really helpful! Thanks for all your efforts. TJMSmith (talk) 13:09, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Glad to help! XOR'easter (talk) 15:00, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Here's a redlist from the first half-century, based on manually sifting the names. It may be incomplete due to women listed only by their initials (there are a few years where recording only initials seems to have been the standard, for whatever reason). Where should I save it?

• Alice H. Armstrong (1931)
• Jane M. Dewey (1931)
• Nadiashda Galli-Shohat (1931)
• Jenny E. Rosenthal (1936)
• Carol G. Montgomery (1938)
• Rose C. L. Mooney (1938)
• Nora M. Mohler (1941)
• Marguerite M. Rogers (1962)
• Ellen S. Stewart (1965)
• Clara Johanne Doris Wilsdorf (1965)
• Nicola N. Khuri (1966)
• Laura M. Roth (1967)
• Mildred Widgoff (1968)

XOR'easter (talk) 19:08, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@XOR'easter: You could add it to either Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Fellowships or Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Science --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:29, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@XOR'easter and MrLinkinPark333: I added this list to both redlink indexes. TJMSmith (talk) 19:57, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! XOR'easter (talk) 22:40, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman

I'm on a call right now, and this article has come up: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman. I haven't had a chance to look at it closely, but it may interest some of you. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:57, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

I left a Keep vote there a few minutes ago with a list of sources I found regarding notability. I think it's pretty clear for this subject, even before the past week's events. I'm looking into the other two AfD discussions on Corina Newsome and Earyn McGee now. Silverseren^C 02:59, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Silver seren. BTW, those other two are "Speedy Keep". --Rosiestep (talk) 03:09, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Juneteenth2020

Juneteenth (June 19) 1900)

Shanluan and AfroCrowd have extended a warm invitation to members of Women in Red to participate in this year's Juneteenth celebration. This is a virtual event running June 1-21, with the main editathon and training on Friday, June 19. Some of the events on that day, e.g. training, will be via Zoom. See Wikipedia:Meetup/AfroCROWD/Juneteenth2020 for more details and to sign up! --Rosiestep (talk) 16:13, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Myrtle Sheldon

I would be very happy to have help on this illustrator whose work accompanoed Robert Louis Stevenson's poems, the firdt African American picture book, and other interesting and notable works. Thanks! FloridaArmy (talk) 23:52, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

I made some edits and a comment, but it is VERY difficult to find things online about her. Plus there are multiple people with that name. There’s a Find a grave for someone born in 1886 that is pretty likely her, but the Library of Congress has her born 1893. We need someone like megalibrarygirl who has access to digitized print sources to do a bit more digging. Definitely notable, though. Montanabw^(talk) 16:18, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Recent deaths

Last week success story: The page Recent deaths is the most visited page at the English Wikipedia. Since March I’m adding and creating red links on this page. As I notice most of the person are man, I requested a red link page at Reslink index. On 2 June Tagishsimon created the Recent deaths red links page. I started adding from that date the pages to Recent deaths (about 4 women per day). And as from now, apart from 1, all pages have been created (by several users). And after creation, edited by several other users. So keep adding women who passed away to Wikidata and Recent deaths. SportsOlympic (talk) 18:34, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Janeese Lewis George

Janeese Lewis George has been nominated for deletion.

John Cummings (talk) 20:18, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

New biography - Angela_Onwuachi-Willig

Please help expand Angela_Onwuachi-Willig - the dean of Boston University Law School since 2018 did not have a Wikipedia article until today, despite being a prominent law professor and woman of color. Thanks. -- Fuzheado | Talk 21:58, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Maggie Dennis office hour on community resilience and sustainability

Here is the link to last week's youtube video of Mdennis (WMF) office hour on community resilience and sustainability. The themes evoked are important to our gender gap projects, as they include discussion on the future code of conduct and how to promote a safe contributing environment. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:00, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aurat (word)

The terms "Aurat", "Arvad", "Avret", and "Awrath" may refer to: Women of Asian religious or cultural descent and identity.

Self nomination for AFD since article copy pasted to Draft:Aurat for incubation because IMHO current article title Aurat (word) is misleading and confusing leading to western systemic bias and stifling the article growth. Please find Detail reason at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aurat (word)

I invite project members to review current and potential sourcing and weigh in on the AfD discussion. Thanks!

Bookku (talk) 02:36, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Watchers at Imani Perry

I thought some of you might be interested in helping to keep an eye on the page Imani Perry. There was a major dustup there at the start of last year (see Talk:Imani Perry). It looked like there was a stable consensus for a long while (namely: put a template on it and forget about it), but I missed that more than a month ago somebody added an unsourced and subjective sentence that, to my eyes at least, verges on attack territory, which was at last noticed and removed by ReadWrite222 in this diff. If this sort of thing is happening we should have more watchers there. - Astrophobe (talk) 18:01, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!! talk) 18:20, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for catching the issue on the page! - Astrophobe (talk) 19:13, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Port Authority (film)

(cross posted from Wiki Loves Pride) I just discovered this article Port Authority (film) after scouring articles for lists of LGBT filmmakers and making an article for its director. It sounds like an amazing film, and a lot of the sources at Danielle Lessovitz's article have some great detail on how it handles not fetishizing black bodies, trans bodies, and not commercializing drag culture. This is probably a great time to make this article much better quality. The only problem is, I haven't seen the film! So I thought I'd reach out and see if anyone has, and if they'd like to collaborate on it? Kingsif (talk) 04:14, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

AfC drafts

Hi all, I thought I'd highlight some almost-there AfC drafts that could use some help from experienced editors, in case anyone is interested! These subjects appear to be notable.

• Draft:Nina Crummy, archaeologist (now in mainspace)
• Draft:Linda Field, insect molecular biologist
• Draft:Emmy Bronsard, figure skater
• Draft:Xu Pei (Poet), poet

- MapleSoy (talk) 04:04, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I have reviewed and accepted Nina Crummy. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:41, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Found this page for an editathon focussing on African women

Are you aware of this editathon? https://www.goethe.de/ins/za/en/m/kul/sup/wessen-wissen.html I found nothing about it here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:27, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Dodger67: Thanks for letting us know. Pity they haven't created a meetup page along the lines of Wikipedia:Meetup/South Africa/South Africa 2. We don't usually post details of each event as most of them can be seen at Category:Wikipedia meetups in June 2020, etc.--Ipigott (talk) 09:18, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I see there is also a Yale Women editathon on the 26th.--Ipigott (talk) 09:47, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I've emailed the organiser to tell her about Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Redlist index in case she doesn't know about it: lots of country listings there which might be helpful to the people at the editathon to suggest likely articles. PamD 10:04, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Dimple Kapadia/archive2

Can project members who are interested in quality give the Dimple Kapadia article a review. I've already spent way more time on it than I'd have liked. It was recently archived but if it is well reviewed I think it stands a chance of passing FA.† Encyclopædius 15:59, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Vivki Wood Nascar racer article needs work

The new Vicki Wood article needs expanding. --Bejnar (talk) 13:30, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Bejnar,I have added some information to it. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:34, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

New article Mildred Lovett

Mildred Lovett could use some eyes on it to re-write close paraphrasing. She seems to be notable enough... Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

I have added an image, infobox and some more details and refs and intend to work through the paraphrasing issue this week. Oronsay (talk) 08:31, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Sylvia Acevedo

Sylvia Acevedo is CEO of Girl Scouts of the USA, and there's someone paid by that organization asking us to review their addition to the article. Since I am not very active and have no experience dealing with paid editors, your help is very much needed on Talk:Sylvia Acevedo. Thank you very much. Comte0 (talk) 23:13, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Megha Majumdar

I'm open to ideas about how to get this draft into article space. I would put it there myself but I think it would get booted based on WP:BLP1E. The subject has just published a book that has been extremely widely reviewed (NYTimes, New Yorker, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, and so on). Perhaps this is better as an article on the book? Have at it if you are interested. I am also curious to know if there is a template for determining date of birth in reverse? Her exact DOB is not published, but her age at certain points (32 in 2020, for example) is published. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:47, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

It seems the novel definitely meets WP:NBOOKS, so I have made up a draft for that as well.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:09, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Try {{Birth based on age as of date}}. PamD 05:37, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@PamD:Thanks, that worked.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:17, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi @ThatMontrealIP: I think Majumdar would pass WP:AUTHOR based on the reviews of her book. - MapleSoy (talk) 19:23, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@MapleSoy:Thanks very much for tweaking it and moving it to article space.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:16, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

New articles

I've been reviewing articles about women as part of new pages review, and while most could use some clean-up, I've so far only tagged one for speedy deletion. I thought I'd notify you all in case someone knows something about her that I couldn't find on google.

• Anna Nakagawa (announcer) - seems to be a non-notable local announcer. But it doesn't help that it's written in poor English, suggesting that any sources on her will be foreign-language and perhaps harder to find based on country.

A previous AfD on this was declined on 4 April. There are additional details in the Japanese version. If it is deleted, I think a draft version should be returned to the original creator for improvement.--Ipigott (talk) 09:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

That doesn't help, though: someone argued for it to be kept, and then did no work to back up those arguments. Perhaps ask some Japanese-speaking editors to translate that version? Kingsif (talk) 09:28, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

• Nandi Madida - copyvio
• Susan Bradley-Cox - copyvio

I'll add any more, thanks. Kingsif (talk) 04:13, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

• I've also tagged Erica Rutherford, an article about a transgender woman, for tone. I left a message for its creator, too: it was created as part of WiR, by a regular of the project. This is because it uses male pronouns throughout, as well as language generally seen as transphobic (e.g. "Eric decided to have transsexual surgery"). It's pretty bad. Kingsif (talk) 04:24, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I gave it a quick once-over for tone, terminology, and general copy-editing. Further attention would be welcome. XOR'easter (talk) 05:52, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Wrens of the Curragh

Hi All, I made a new page for Wrens of the Curragh as a result of an event hosted by @Smirkybec: but it's the first page I've made for women involved in sex work so a) would someone have time to just check I've used terminology well b) check the categories (I really struggled with them this time) c) more generally I don't think I've got the hang of default sort - but have struggled to find the guide here - any help v. appreciated. Thanks (Lajmmoore (talk) 09:59, 12 June 2020 (UTC))

@Lajmmoore: On (c): I've fixed the DEFAULTSORT: you didn't really need it here, unless you feel it ought to alphabetise under "C" not "W". Generally it's useful for names which need to sort by surname, and for titles of books, films, etc (some organisations too) with "The" or "A " etc. So you'd get {{DEFAULTSORT:Christie, Agatha}} for Agatha Christie or {{DEFAULTSORT:Third Nero, The}} for The Third Nero.

(b) I've also tidied up the categories which were in a bit of a muddle, and created a new Category:Sex worker organizations in Ireland in the existing hierarchy. OK they were a community rather than an organisation but it seemed a useful category for a grouping of sex workers. Feel free to change it all! On (a) I'm no expert, will leave it for others. PamD 10:22, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I've also tweaked the first ref: I looked at it to get the date - always useful to give date when citing anything from a newspaper etc - and decided it's clear that it's by Rose Doyle even though there isn't a by-line, as she talks about "I'm no historian, so it would have to be in a novel." etc and then mentions the novel at the foot of the article. PamD 10:30, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much @PamD: - I need to get my head around categories better :) (Lajmmoore (talk) 10:31, 12 June 2020 (UTC))

I've also made a redirect from Wrens of Curragh, the alternative name used in the image caption... and look, it's made a red link go blue: see Special:WhatLinksHere/Wrens of the Curragh. That's a fun thing about making redirects, like discovering that when you link from someone's full name that's how they were listed in some list of award-winners which has been a red link for ages. Redirects rock. PamD 10:38, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks v much @PamD: Re-directs is on my "learning list" too! Some people refer to them as "Curragh Wrens" as well! (Lajmmoore (talk) 08:44, 18 June 2020 (UTC))

Curragh Wrens now created! PamD 10:52, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Amanda Simpson and the Conway Library project

Hello! I'm part of a project to get the biographies of people who contributed to the Courtauld Institute of Art's Conway Library collection of art and architecture photographs onto wikipedia. This should turn lots of women art historians, academics, and photographers blue! One of our volunteer contributors has already submitted someone for review and unfortunately not meet the notability criteria. Is this the best place to ask for help? Here's the page in question https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Amanda_Simpson And our wiki project is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_ConwayLibrary If this is not the right place to ask, please let me know the best place! Thank you ConwayDigi (talk) 09:33, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi @ConwayDigi:. First thing, you can link to pages on Wikipedia with wikilinks: [[Draft:Amanda Simpson]] creates Draft:Amanda Simpson. And the problem with the Amanda Simpson draft is that is uses mostly sources that she has produced, rather than showing that there is independent coverage of her. E.g. an article in a reliable newspaper all about her and her work. Kingsif (talk) 09:40, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Kingsif: Thank you for getting back to me so quickly. I've passed on this guidance to the person editing the article. I hope we can find more info out there! Would references to Simpson's work in a scholarly book written by someone else be suitable? ConwayDigi (talk) 09:46, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

@ConwayDigi: They'd help, but if it's only brief references, they may not be seen as significant coverage. Kingsif (talk) 09:50, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

@ConwayDigi: As another comment, a lot of that draft is about her involvement at Courtauld/Conway. Have all your editors read up on WP:COI? Kingsif (talk) 09:52, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Kingsif: for the guidance about secondary material. Perhaps we may not have enough in some cases, then. And yes we've had a look through the COI guidance and directed our new contributors to have a look too. Everyone on the project is really new so we're feeling our way somewhat! This is really helpful, thanks!

• @ConwayDigi: I see that your user page says "This is the user page for the ConwayDigi admins!". Unfortunately that isn't allowed: it's strictly one user id per person, so you need to establish separate editor identities like "Charlotte@Conway", "Emily@Conway" etc. See WP:NOSHARING. The idea is that everyone has responsibility for their own edits, which wouldn't be attributable under a shared account. Your account is likely to be blocked as having a username implying shared use. You might like to rename that account into a one-person name, to avoid having it blocked, and then create new accounts for your colleagues. See WP:Changing username for how to do it. Welcome to Wikipedia, good luck with the project, and Happy Editing! There is a lot to learn about editing Wikipedia but it's an interesting journey. PamD 13:15, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
• @PamD: Thank you for letting me know! It's actually just me who uses it as all the other staff involved have got their own accounts, I'm so used to writing in the plural when I send messages to our volunteers. Oops, just did it then! Thank you for the advice and warning, changed info accordingly.ConwayDigi (talk) 13:20, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Remote editathon on 24 June

Wikimedia UK, the Women's Engineering Society, and the Institution of Engineering and Technology are holding an editathon on 24 June to improve articles about women in engineering. There will be an online training session for beginners. Experienced editors are welcome and you can add your name to the project page. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 14:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Ida Revels

I came across her here in this entry about a statue of her. I woukd be happy to help work up am emtry on her. FloridaArmy (talk) 13:12, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@FloridaArmy:, please do so! To get you started I created a stub for you. Enjoy the writing :) SportsOlympic (talk) 13:41, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aurat (word)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aurat (word) has been relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Bookku (talk) 04:29, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

New article Jasmine R. Marcelin

I see that this article, just created, is an orphan - the subject has over 12 000 Twitter followers and has been a prominent voice for underrepresented women in medicine. Links and enhancement would be helpful; I will try to contribute as time permits. — soupvector (talk) 14:03, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Article now has three in-coming links and is no longer an orphan.14GTR (talk) 16:33, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Notability is being challenged. Plenty of news coverage, is elected FACP. More eyes? — soupvector (talk) 05:37, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Juneteenth 2020

For those of you who'd like to contribute Women in Red articles focused on Juneteenth (19 June), we can add articles and photos to this (Feb 2020) meetup page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/154. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:48, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Rosiestep: I'm sure you intend this as constructive encouragement for us to work on new Juneteenth articles today. But I must say I'm a bit confused about it. I see you have recently added three articles with minor improvements as if they were new. In any case, wouldn't it be useful to create a new section for articles created or improved in June? Should further additions be made only today? If not, what is the time limit? Many of the articles we have been adding to the BLM editathon would no doubt qualify for inclusion here too. And what about our upcoming BLM-related focus next month? If we can add new articles to this old event, why not to any other, e.g. further additions to #163 on healthcare as Corona continues? Perhaps we need to clarify all this further.--Ipigott (talk) 07:20, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Ipigott: I don't know which 3 articles you're referring to; perhaps you can clarify that. Afrocrowd is hoping that other communities will be involved in Juneteenth activities, today and/or over the weekend, so an easy fix was to reuse our meetup page from February vs. creating a new one. As for our July and further activities related to BLM, those (July) meetup pages haven't been created yet and I didn't want to rush next month's coordination process. Truly, I'm not trying to complicate things, Ian; I was just being bold with re-using an existing page for today's event. If you or someone else thinks there's a better way of handling this, e.g. perhaps by creating a new page just for Juneteenth, here's a thank you from me for doing so. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:07, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Wow to this post on Twitter by the WMF account: "FACT: Over the last two weeks, the English @Wikipedia article on #Juneteenth has been viewed more than 3.3 million times, an 850% increase from the same time last year. Read the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth ". --Rosiestep (talk) 16:12, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Rosiestep: Thanks for your explanations and apologies for being a bit finicky about it and for picking up articles from February which you happened to have improved. As a European based in Luxembourg, I seem to have sadly underestimated the importance of Juneteenth in the United States. So let's see how your initiative works over the next few days. It's always interesting to experiment. If all goes well, there may indeed be a case for reviving past meetups for special occasions. Happy Juneteenth editing!--Ipigott (talk) 06:43, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

WIR project banners for talk pages?

For some reason, I have a hard time finding where the project banners are on the monthly edit-a-thon pages. Did they use to be more prominently displayed (if not, is there a more noticeable spot they could be placed, or is this just a me thing)? In particular, I don't see the one for the #1day1woman initiative on its page. - Whisperjanes (talk) 02:34, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Whisperjanes: Thanks for bringing this up. I know how frustrating it can be if you can't find things on Wikipedia. As for event templates, if all else fails, you can always start at "Events" on our main Women in Red page. This month the first one is Pride. If you click on it, you reach the #167 meetup page. This already indicates the talk page template for this event as templates always consist of WIR joined to the meetup number with a hyphen (WIR-xxx or Template:WIR-xxx), in this case {{WIR-167}}. You will also find them listed in the "Event templates" section at the foot of each meetup page. For Pride, it is {{WIR-167}}. In the RH margin of each meetup page, there is a box titled "Add to article talk pages" which also gives the "Editathon banner". I'm happy to see you are keen to use the correct template number. It helps to identify articles created under each event, especially if they are promoted to DYK or better still to GA. Just let me know if you run into any other difficulties. I'm always happy to help. And thanks for the 10 new articles you have created over the past four months. You're progressing very well.--Ipigott (talk) 10:47, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

I've just noticed you were right about #1day1woman. The box for talk pages was missing. I've now added it.--Ipigott (talk) 10:57, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

@Ipigott: Thanks for the explanation (and for the kind compliment!). I'm glad to understand the naming conventions a bit better now, so it'll be easier to figure them out if I forget again in the future :) I also noticed that I forgot to add banners to some of my past articles -- Is it still okay to add the banners & add the articles to the past WIR event pages? Or does that mess up pass counts or something else? - Whisperjanes (talk) 01:46, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Whisperjanes: It's fine to add missing templates to past events. It all helps.--Ipigott (talk) 06:47, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! - Whisperjanes (talk) 18:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

The Last of Us Part II lead writer Halley Gross

Halley Gross was a lead writer for the game The Last of Us Part II, which was just released this past week. I was looking up women who worked on the game, and noticed that the Halley Gross Wikipedia article is pretty much just a stub made out of unreliable sources (IMDB), but getting an uptick in 1000s of views a day.

I thought I'd mention it in case anyone wanted to help in cleaning it up (since I'm not sure when I'll have time to get to it). - Whisperjanes (talk) 18:27, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Here are also some women who might be notable from the game who don't have an article:

• Emilia Schatz, (co-) lead game designer
• Victoria Grace, actress of one of the major characters

- Whisperjanes (talk) 18:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Griselda Pollock wins Holberg Prize

Griselda Pollock won the Holberg Prize and here's a great podcast about her prize-winning book here explaining the gendergap in museums, based on her book "Old Mistresses" vs the generally accepted term "Old Masters". Maybe it's time for an article about her book? Jane (talk) 06:36, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Women in Caribbean Politics

Found an interesting-looking resource here. Lots of figures who already have biographies, but quite a few who do not. Fodder for a redlink list when I have time, perhaps. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 14:09, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

List of your articles that are in Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors

A couple of articles are in need of some reference cleanup. Basically, some short references create via {{sfn}} and {{harvnb}} and similar templates have missing full citations or have some other problems. This is usually caused by templates misuse or by copy-pasting a short reference from another article without adding the full reference, or because a full reference is not making use of citation templates like {{cite book}} (see Help:CS1) or {{citation}} (see Help:CS2). To easily see which citation is in need of cleanup, you can check these instructions to enable error messages (Svick's script is the simplest to use, but Trappist the monk's script is a bit more refined if you're interested in doing deeper cleanup). See also how to resolve issues.

The following articles could use some of your attention

Done

1. Agnes de Silva
2. Alicia Cuarón
3. Allegra Eggleston
4. American Women's War Relief Fund
5. Ana Figuero
6. Anna Baright Curry
7. Anna Jaquez
8. Anna Mae Hays
9. Anna Stanisławska
10. Anna Wessels Williams
11. Anne Whitehead
12. Antonia Nava de Catalán
13. Binalakshmi Nepram
14. Boston Equal Suffrage Association for Good Government
15. Bride Neill Taylor
16. Carlotta Corpron
17. Celia Moss Levetus
18. Charlotte Anita Whitney
19. Chifuren
20. Constance Finch-Hatton, Countess of Winchilsea
21. Danutė Stanelienė
22. Detty Kurnia
23. Eddystone explosion
24. Edith Sharpley
25. Elinor Mead Howells
26. Elizabeth Chipman
27. Ellen Griffin Dunne
28. Ellen Lawson Dabbs
29. Emma Sandile
30. Ersilia Cavedagni
31. Florence E. Bamberger
32. Frances Elizabeth Barrow
33. Freyja Haraldsdóttir
34. Fujiwara no Taishi (died 794)
35. Glafira Kashirina
36. Gloria Swanson
37. Gouthami (entrepreneur)
38. Helen Clarissa Morgan
39. Houria Aïchi
40. International Women's Health Coalition
41. Janet Yee
42. Jennifer Owen
43. Jessie Tarbox Beals
44. Jessie Turnbull
45. Joan Dunlop
46. Joyce Sachiko Tsunoda
47. Judith C. Waller
48. Katherine Keating
49. Lillian B. Rubin
50. Louisa Boyd Yeomans King
51. Lucy Mabel Hall-Brown
52. Luella A. Varney Serrao
53. Lydia Kompe
54. Native American Women's Health Education Resource Center
55. Park Nam-ok
56. Pauline Dohn Rudolph
57. Phillis Emily Cunnington
58. Phyllis Altman
59. Princess Kagami
60. Minuetta Kessler
61. Rachael Grimes
62. Rhinelander v. Rhinelander
63. Rita Ndzanga
64. Rose Piper
65. Sarah Platt Doremus
66. Sue Alexander
67. Sue Shelton White
68. Susan Hinckley Bradley
69. Tadashi Hyōdō
70. Tatyana Makarova
71. Temerl Bergson
72. Violeta Chamorro
73. Women in the United States Marines
74. Women's liberation movement
75. Women's suffrage in India
76. Womyn's land
77. Women in Nigeria (organization)
78. Şah Sultan (daughter of Mustafa III)
79. Yevdokiya Nosal
80. Mériem Bouatoura
81. Nadezhda Zhurkina
82. Najma Sadeque
83. National Movement of Rural Women
84. National Woman's Party
85. Winka Dubbeldam
86. Tziporah Heller
87. Uptown (The Crystals song)
88. The Autobiography of an African Princess
89. Martha Susan Baker
90. Winifred Sanford
91. Mary Robinson Foster
92. Woman Suffrage Party
93. Merle S. Goldberg
94. Hester Sigerson Piatt
95. Mabel Grouitch
96. Dora Wheeler Keith
97. Odette Abadi
98. Timeline of women in Antarctica
99. Wajida Tabassum
100. Women in Antarctica
101. Women in punk rock
102. Women prisoners in Francoist Spain
103. Agent 355
104. Yehudit Harari
105. Motsoalle
106. Marianne Durano
107. Women in agriculture in China
108. Anna Vsevolodovna of Kiev
109. First Lady of the Democratic Republic of the Congo
110. Nassima Hablal
111. Daria Harjevschi
112. Sarah Morgan Bryan Piatt
113. Barbara McClintock
114. Choko Mabuchi
115. Valentine Thomson

To do

1. Dorothy Vaughan
2. Ethel Jackson Morris
3. Frances Elizabeth Barrow
4. Hannah Arendt – This one has fairly deep issues. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:48, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
5. Julia Stephen
6. Maude Royden – Schellenberg needs fixing (year+full ref), and the Liverpool Evening Express needs the title of the article and other full citation information. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:50, 18 June 2020 (UTC) (fixed Schellenberg - same ref used in The Black Book PamD 17:22, 19 June 2020 (UTC) )
7. Mirra Alfassa
8. Virginia Woolf – This one has fairly deep issues. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:48, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

If you could add the full references to those article/fix the problem references, that would be great. Again, the easiest way to deal with those is to install Svick's script per these instructions. If after installing the script, you do not see an error, that means it was either taken care of, or was a false positive, and you don't need to do anything else.

Also note that the use of |ref=harv is no longer needed to generate anchors so you can remove it wherever you see it without causing issues. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:10, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Also, if you fix something in the above list, it's a good idea to strike it off so others don't waste time looking for something that's already been fixed. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:26, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

• Headbomb how recent is your list? Coincidentally, on Gloria Swanson, I thoroughly went through each citation and cleaned it all up as of May 28, 2020. I don't see any changes since that date to trigger your list of error(s). — Maile (talk) 15:06, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

The list was compiled maybe 2-3 minutes before posting, so pretty recent. I'll investigate. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@Maile66: Gloria Swanson has an issue with 'Syman 2010' that's missing a full ref, either script will pick up the error. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:10, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

• Headbomb Thanks. Taken care of. — Maile (talk) 15:12, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the list, Headbomb. What tool did you use to compile it? Will you make these for other projects as well? (I'll star working from Gouthami (entrepreneur) onward). – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:16, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

I used AWB for that. There's a WP:BOTREQ for a bot to do this automatically (both for users and for WikiProjects), but no one decided to pick it up so far. If you have a specific project in mind, I could make other compilations. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:18, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

I just cleaned the leftover |ref=harv stuff btw (this is no longer needed), so you won't have to do so yourselves. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:29, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Help, please

I never use {{sfn}} but I thought I'd try to help, so Ive installed Svick's script. Fixed Pauline Dohn Rudolph, no problem. But I'm really struggling with Park Nam-ok. Could someone have a look and explain to me why it isn't working now? Previously, I think, the problem was that the "name" in the sfn refs was "Yecies and Shim" which didn't match the book ref, but I now seem to have sorted it out so it looks just like the example in Help:Shortened footnotes. I've saved it with an {{In use}}, for now. I feel I shouldn't be defeated by this, it's just a matter of taking a deep breath and reading the instructions ... but that hasn't so far worked. Hoping someone can point out what blindingly obvious thing I'm missing. PamD 15:43, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@PamD: the problem is that the long reference has two authors defined: Yecies and Shim. The short footnotes should accordingly be {{sfn|Yecies|Shim|2016}}} – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

I fixed it for you. — Maile (talk) 15:59, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@Finnusertop and Maile66: Thanks, both: one explained, one showed. Have now fixed the other refs and learned how to do this so will now tackle Phyllis Altman which looks to be a similar problem, though perhaps an expert could have a look at the headache-inducing Princess Kagami, which seems to be using a more complicated syntax! PamD 16:05, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Fixed Princess Kagami with [1]. The issue was that {{sfn}} and {{sfnref}} didn't have a match. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:24, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Headbomb I find no error on Lynda Grier? SusunW (talk) 16:09, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Nor on Margaret Macpherson Grant?? SusunW (talk) 16:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@SusunW: Both Lynda Grier and Margaret Macpherson Grant are fine. Those are false positives, so I'll remove them from the list. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:16, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Help improve the format of Judy Genshaft

There is an article about Judy Genshaft the former president of the University of South Florida that is very badly formatted. I have created a draft, and a list of specific proposals, to dramatically improve the structure and format. None of these are content changes. Talk:Judy Genshaft/Archive 1#Please help improve the format of this article Since I have a personal relationship with Genshaft, I’d be grateful if an independent editor would review and decide whether to implement this proposal. I am posting this here, rather than Request Edit, since it is a substantial restructuring of the article, not a straight-forward request edit. I don’t think this is contentious but an editor here will be a better judge. Rocky.abcd (talk) 18:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

E. Irene Reed or Irene Reed

Greetings all! I ran across this woman's obituary today doing something else and I was majorly surprised to find she doesn't have an article on any Wikipedia, even though just based on her obit alone she seems to meet the notability requirements. She's referred to in some of articles though, so there would be links to an article on her too. Anyone interested in writing an article on her this summer? Also if anyone has any idea what newspaper that obit might have been in, please let us know! -Yupik (talk) 19:31, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Wow!! If no one else is better qualified to write about her, I'd like to. I have a friend lives in a Yup'ik village, with Bethel the nearest big town... But I know little about anthropology or language other than the usual I've picked up. I intend to send my friend the newspaper cutting and ask anyway.. ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 22:49, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

There's a biog - https://epay.alaska.edu/C21563_ustores/web/classic/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCTID=5564 --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:21, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Good find! And I found us a PDF version of it from the archive! Also some more sources, her obit from the Duluth News Tribune and some stories about her from alt.culture.alaska that Antiqueight's friend might like to read too. We can definitely make this a group effort, since we all have access to different sources. A small note though: I'm currently hampered by a dying computer whose keyboard is malfunctioning. -Yupik (talk) 02:25, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Keeping on the topic of Yupik, we are also missing an article on Anna W. Jacobson :) -Yupik (talk) 02:36, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, it could do with a photo and someone to check it over. But that first one is done begun. ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 16:38, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Antiqueight: Looks as if it is coming along very well, thanks to your response to this cooperative effort.--Ipigott (talk) 17:39, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

@Antiqueight:: Looking good; you've done an incredible job, thank you! I'll add in some of her myriad publications over the next couple of weeks :) I'll also add in her co-authors, since most of them are also red-linked. Find-a-grave has suggested a DOB for her; I'll add that in too. -Yupik (talk) 12:24, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Yupik, Oh cool. I didn't find that reference, Oh! It gives her first name too!!. Please do add more detail. I know I get focused on certain details and then I miss others - it's why I love this whole concept of collaborative working. ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 13:29, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

I only found it because her first name had been added in the article already. I assumed you had added it :D I've gone down the rabbit hole today with this. -Yupik (talk) 15:09, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

It wasn't me. I nearly fell down the same rabbit hole when I opened that. Nope - not gonna.... but tempting... ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 22:53, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

July 2020 at Women in Red

Women in Red / July 2020, Volume 6, Issue 7, Numbers 150, 151, 170, 171, 172, 173 Online events: New: July Julies / Disability / Women from Where? ... and starting for an extended period: BLM/Anti-discrimination Continuing initiatives: #1day1woman / Sports! Help us plan future events: Virtual Ideas Cafe Join the conversation: Women in Red talkpage Stay in touch: Join WikiProject Women in Red / Opt-out of notifications Social media: Facebook / Instagram / Pinterest / Twitter

--Rosiestep (talk) 16:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Draft:Diane Johnson Flynn

Hello, I am trying to get this article approved about a CEO whose work helps women re-enter the workforce after taking care of their children and combat ageism/sexism. Any help would be appreciated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Diane_Johnson_Flynn JamesC33401 (talk) 02:18, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Do you have any WP:COI with respect to this proposed article, JamesC33401? --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:41, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

If so you should declare it. It looks as if the decline of the BLP was consistent with Wikipedia policy. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:50, 29 June 2020 (UTC).

Wikidata question - Eurydice Dixon

On Wikipedia, Eurydice Dixon is a redirect to the article, Murder of Eurydice Dixon, which is basically about her, with a section on her death. She appears as a redlink on the Redlist Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by time period/Deaths 2018, because the WP article is linked to murder of Eurydice Dixon (Q60774697), with an instance of 'murder', while Eurydice Dixon (Q56273199) is unlinked. Am seeking help to resolve this, as am unsure best way to go. Oronsay (talk) 02:24, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

We don't have a good solution here. It might be possible to use some of the properties in the two records to recognise that the person is covered in a Murder of... article, but I suspect the pattern applicable to these two items might not extend far amongst similar pairs of items; and implementing these sorts of checks in the SPARQL slows the query and risks the imposition of a time-out.

Probably the best approach for this sort of issue (which we also see arising from 'Bonnie & Clyde' articles, where a pair of individuals are the subject of a single article, but each has discrete wikidata items) is to add FILTER( ?item NOT IN (a list of QIds) ) to the SPARQL, where 'a list of QIds' are any item IDs which you don't want to see in the report. For Deaths 2018, I've added these, being sandboxes and the very unfortunate Ms. Dixon's item. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:53, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! Glad I didn't try to meddle. Oronsay (talk) 04:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

I believe that you can also link the wikidata entry the redirect. Stuartyeates (talk) 10:36, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Not easily, and not unless you hate structured data. A simple "try to add it" - it being 'Eurydice Dixon' - yields "Could not save due to an error. The link enwiki:Murder of Eurydice Dixon is already used by Item Q60774697. You may remove it from Q60774697 if it does not belong there or merge the Items if they are about the exact same topic. Site link enwiki:Murder of Eurydice Dixon is already used by item Q60774697. Perhaps the items should be merged. Ask at d:Wikidata:Interwiki conflicts if you believe that they should not be merged." So Wikidata has resolved the redirect and discovered there's already a sitelink to the substantive article. I /think/ if you unredirect the redirect, then add it as a sitelink, then make it a redirect once again, that might stick. But then there'd be no distinction between a sitelink to a substantive article, versus a sitelink to a redirect; wikidata would give the appearance that there's a Eurydice Dixon article, when in fact there's not. The solution - being able to add a redirect and have it marked as such - seems to evade the designers of wikidata, afaics. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Graphics and text related to women and COVID-19 released by UN Women under open license

Hi all

UN Women have released a batch of graphics related to women and COVID-19. They've also released some text information about the impact of the pandemic on women under open license so can be copied from their website

• https://interactive.unwomen.org/multimedia/explainer/covid19/en/index.html

You can find instructions of how to use open license text at Help:Adding open license text to Wikipedia, please make sure to use the template described so I can let them know where their content is used.

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John Cummings (talk) 13:15, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Not too impressed with the 3rd slide along John - instead of giving a big % figure as elsewhere, they make you do the calculation to realize that actually more boys than girls are affected! Johnbod (talk) 13:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Image on kkwiki

I just wrote Aitkul Samakova and would like to use kk:Сурет:Айткүл Байазықызы Самақова.JPG in the article in the interest of VisibleWikiWomen, but the image only exists on kk wiki and not on wiki commons, and doesn't have any upload information that I can understand. Is there any chance someone can tell whether or not it's OK to reupload this image to wiki commons? Thanks! - Astrophobe (talk) 07:23, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Not okay. No source info is provided, nor any licence info, thus there's not even an assertion that it is open licenced. It would not fly on Commons, nor even on en.wiki. --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:20, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

OK, thank you! I wasn't sure if there was a rationale that I was overlooking, or if it really was completely empty - Astrophobe (talk) 18:14, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Google Translate

Did you know ...... that when Google Translate translates text about women from Portuguese to English it always assumes the text is about men?Roundtheworld (talk) 18:05, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I've had it go both ways. But yes, it's from conjugated verbs that are gender neutral needing a pronoun in English. Sometimes, text about men turns into text about women. It's an autotranslate issue that can't be solved, not a 'default male' thing. Kingsif (talk) 18:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I've never had it go the other way, but I'll take your word for it. Roundtheworld (talk) 18:23, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Medical expertise needed

If you have medical skills could you please take a look at Odette Ferreira, which I have just uploaded. She was a microbiologist and I'd like to be sure I haven't made any howlers. Thanks. Roundtheworld (talk) 18:25, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Should the Wikimedia Foundation call itself Wikipedia?

The 2030 movement brand project may interest some of you as well as: --Rosiestep (talk) 23:40, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

• survey for individual contributors, deadline 7 July 2020
• Community Open Letter On Renaming
• RfC/Should the Foundation call itself Wikipedia

As far as I can see, there is pretty strong opposition to the name change. But sooner or later it might be worthwhile considering how to deal with "Wikimedians" (cf Comedians) which seems to be pretty meaningless to non-initiates.--Ipigott (talk) 09:32, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

New editors who create an AFD first thing?

Well a new article Lynika Strozier predictably got AFD'ed. If you look at the nominator's contribution log, they have a grand total of THREE edits to their credit, all of which are related to this AFD. This is not the first time I've noticed brand spanking new editors creating AFDs on BLPs.

What is the deal with this? Is this just some form of sock puppetry? I can tell you I barely could handle Wiki syntax, much less all the moving parts of properly doing an AFD, when I was at 3 edits. Or is there some one-button tool someone built that creates a new account and also starts an AFD on an article in a single click? Scratching my head once again. --Krelnik (talk) 18:28, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I could see many reasons for that account, both valid (the person doesn't want to get cancelled on twitter, IP editor who doesn't want those edits to be traced to a public IP) and nefarious (sock with an axe to grind). Could be a sock. Could be something else. WP:AFD instructions are relatively clear, so it's not impossible to get this right the first time, which is what they seem to have done. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I guess so. I did have an interesting interaction with another newb AFDer (they at least had a hundred edits or so which predated the AFD) back in 2019. I kind of chided them for not doing a good WP:BEFORE search on the person, and I added a load of newspapers.com links to the article. It was funny, that editor literally wrote, "It’s interesting that all these folks are suddenly popping out of the woodwork to save this article now after it was left in a largely unsourced rumor filled mess for over a year..." and we had to point out to them that AFDs generate notifications to other editors in various means such as Article Alerts. I can't find the message but I recall the person being somewhat apologetic after it ended. --Krelnik (talk) 19:02, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

You may be interested in a long conversation about exactly this topic that occurred at the village pump earlier this month. It careened from live wire to live wire before eventually settling on "no consensus". An actual proposal on the topic may or may not eventually emerge. - Astrophobe (talk) 19:07, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh thanks, I hadn't seen that. If I had ultimate power, you wouldn't be able to create an AFD until a certain number of edits and you had created at least one non-stub, actual article in mainspace that stuck around for a while. I know, crazy and probably unenforceable, but I think someone should appreciate what it takes to create an article before they delete one. --Krelnik (talk) 19:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Dorothy Hutton

Came across this draft, which was originally decined at AfC last autumn, and mostly recently edited 22 days ago. Found it working on Muriel Rose, where I have redlinked Hutton. I think Hutton meets 4(d) and possibly 4(c) of WP:ARTIST. The draft looks pretty good to me but I'm not familiar with the draft process - would any of you be able to have a look and potentially submit to mainspace? Best wishes, Tacyarg (talk) 20:11, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

With works in both the British Museum and V&A collections, Hutton clearly meets WP:Artist 4(d). If you move it to mainspace I'll add to the article later this week. The draft appears to have been rejected last year because of the quality of the references but that is clearly no longer the case. 14GTR (talk) 20:31, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Tacyarg: Great find. I've moved it to main space. MapleSoy (talk) 20:59, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you both. Tacyarg (talk) 21:01, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Good save, Tacyarg; thank you. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

German to English translators needed!

Sorry if this isn't the right place to be asking this, but a German translator for the new page Marie Wiegmann would be great and super helpful. The German article has some detailed sources from what I can see, however unfortunately they are all in German. There are scarcely any English sources for Wiegmann. Thanks heaps. :) Violetnights (talk) 07:38, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Violetnights: Thanks for making a start on this. I am fluent in German but the problem with the German article is that there are no in-line references and most of the sources given are not accessible over the internet. Improvements to the article based on German sources will therefore require considerable time and effort. I see there's quite a detailed biography by Ariane Neuhaus-Koch of HHU. Interestingly, her dates are given as 1820 – 1893. I'm pretty busy at the moment but if there are no other volunteers over the next day or two, I'll try to get back to it.--Ipigott (talk) 08:47, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Ipigott: Thanks for the link and the interest, I'll make sure to take a look on it today and I'll see if I can find any other sources on her. --Violetnights (talk) 20:37, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

It's only of extremely peripheral interest (related to a statue of a fictional woman), but if someone fluent in German can help out a dispute I'm involved in at Talk:Imperia (statue) I'd appreciate it. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:35, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

David Eppstein: See my comment at Talk:Imperia (statue). Generalrelative (talk) 06:49, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

• David Eppstein: A nice case of "Traduttore, traditore". Fools rush in where jokers fear to tread. The article could be usefully expanded on the basis of the German version. As it's a statue of a woman, I suppose it's OK to discuss it here.--Ipigott (talk) 09:10, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Bryna Ivens Untermeyer

Could I have some help with this drsft please? Her Memoir for Mrs. Sullivan, a tale from her cat's perspective was said to be acclaimed but I can't find much with my basic Google searching. Thanks for any assistance. FloridaArmy (talk) 13:12, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

What source stated that one of her works was acclaimed? From doing a quick google search, it doesn't look like this person meets WP:N standards. --Violetnights (talk) 03:52, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Findagrave said it was an acclaimed novelette but I don't know where that statement came from or if it has a solid basis. Is this an article about the book? FloridaArmy (talk) 01:19, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

It is - here's a clipping. She has an entry in Contemporary Authors Online, but it's very brief. There are a number of hits on newspapers.com and with those you might be able to get past GNG/NAUTHOR (I haven't looked at them in depth yet, though) - but it will need someone with access to the site and I have too much on my plate to work on the article right now. FloridaArmy, have you tried applying for access to sources through The Wikipedia Library? You can get free access to newspapers.com, JSTOR, Gale, the American Dictionary of Biography and more. Spicy (talk) 14:22, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct project

Some of you may be interested to know that a committee of volunteers plus WMF staff will soon be developing a UCoC, which will affect everyone across all wiki sister projects. Our friends over at Art+Feminism are seeking community input in this regard. Details here. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Rosiestep: It's probably something we should all be involved in, especially as it includes harassment, but there's simply not time for everything. Perhaps you can let us know when there are concrete proposals for comment. I try to keep my eyes open for cases of harassment towards WiR members but I must say things seem to have improved over the past year or so.--Ipigott (talk) 09:48, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

There are a few important updates on the Universal Code of Conduct project. An updated timeline for the project is available on Meta. One of the important steps, the formation of the drafting committee is happening right now. If you feel you might have the right skills and if you have energy and time to take part in the process, you can learn more (and apply) here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee#Call_for_Applications --Rosiestep (talk) 16:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Idelisa Bonnelly

Can someone who is an admin do something to stop the persistent vandal from an IP editor on this article? I have reverted, but they did it again and I have no desire to get into an edit war. Don't know how to stop it other than to revert again and that seems to be entering gray territory. Thanks! SusunW (talk) 16:31, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@SusunW: I've warned the IP and watchlisted the article. If it happens again I'll block. I can also protect the article from IP edits, but I don't think that's warranted yet. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:47, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! SusunW (talk) 17:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@SusunW: Any time. Looks like it's died down for now - I'll continue keeping an eye on it for a while, but looks like the warning did the trick, at least for the moment. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:40, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

WikiEdu: "Saying goodbye to valued colleagues"

We have sought assistance before from some of the people who are affected by this RIF. In case you need to reach out to someone at the Wiki Edu Foundation, this seems to be the current staff list. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:14, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Missing women scientists

Hi, in the course of my Wikipedian-in-Residence editing for Annual Reviews, I noticed that several female editors-in-chief or co-editors-in-chief of its various journals are not on Wikipedia. Being EIC should satisfy criterion 8 of WP:NACADEMIC:

• Jeanne E. Pemberton, Annual Review of Analytical Chemistry (d:Q88079476)
  • Fellow of American Chemical Society and AAAS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elysia (AR) (talk • contribs) 17:24, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
• Rachel A. Segalman, Annual Review of Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering (d:Q40088512)
• Mary E. Klotman, Annual Review of Medicine (d:Q94923877)
• Mel B. Feany, Annual Review of Pathology: Mechanisms of Disease (d:)
• Jan E. Leach, Annual Review of Phytopathology (d:Q59684549)
• Nancy L. Rosenblum, Annual Review of Political Science (d:)

Thought I'd flag these here. Elysia (AR) (talk) 02:22, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for flagging them, Elysia (AR), but oh my gosh, take a look at their Wikidata items. Someone needs to update (2 need to be created) their Wikidata items with at least the fact that they are EICs (include ref url). --Rosiestep (talk) 17:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Rosiestep, I can add those. I pulled from the AR website itself, which lists all the EICs of all its journals. Elysia (AR) (talk) 17:17, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm currently working on Nancy L. Rosenblum and have created a WD entry for her here. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 03:44, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@HickoryOughtShirt?4: Hah, I had the same idea! Whenever you create the page, would you be willing to ping me here or drop a note on my talk page? I have some text I'll add. - Astrophobe (talk)

Absolutely! HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 17:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks very much :) - Astrophobe (talk) 17:29, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Astrophobe, actually I got a better idea. I posted it in my sanbox (here) so many people can add to it. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 17:33, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

That is a good idea, thanks! I'll add what I had. - Astrophobe (talk) 20:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Nominal edit 1,700,000

I have been attempting to create a new WiR article on or near round number edits. Keeping track of exact numbers is hard so the milestone 1,700,000 I dedicate to Deidre Hunter, created on 30 May. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC).

Well done, congratulations, and thank you, Rich Farmbrough! --Rosiestep (talk) 00:07, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Access to Time back issues?

Anyone have a digital subscription to (the U.S.) TIME magazine or have other access to back issues? Or is there a way to get this from the Wikipedia library? I just wrote Edna Cain Daniel and there's an old profile of her from 1944 that's behind their digital paywall that I'm guessing has some good stuff, if someone could get me the text. I know it's a big enough article to have photos in it. The article is "Miss Edna" from July 31, 1944 and it's on their website here. If you need to email it to me I'm "timfarley" at the famous Google email service. Thanks. --Krelnik (talk) 11:54, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

@Krelnik: Unfortunately I don't have access, but if no one responds here you might want to ask over at WP:RX; looking through the archives shows some other people who have TIME access. Vahurzpu (talk) 03:43, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

@Vahurzpu: Oh thank you, I guess I had forgotten that board existed, I've never had to make a request there before! --Krelnik (talk) 11:28, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Main_Page#Picture_of_an_intersex_person

I just discovered some censorship of a Women in Red image, that needs pulled to light. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.3% of all FPs} 16:03, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jacqueline Mabey

Probably of interest to the community here. (Mabey's personal-website autobio blurb uses they/them pronouns, so I decided against adding this AfD to Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women.) XOR'easter (talk) 18:13, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aggie Zed

Hi all,

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aggie Zed could use some eyes. She's an American artist whose article is a little bit of a mess (COI tags, some weird formatting, etc.) and who doesn't explicitly meet WP:NARTIST. But as you all know, this does not mean that she automatically doesn't meet GNG and that the article is not in such a state that it can't be fixed up.

I have added several sources to the article and all delete votes were made prior to the significant addition of sources. It would be super helpful if some fresh eyes could pop by the AfD and determine if the sources meet GNG. (especially as the article has been relisted twice now with no one reevaluating the sources except the original nominator for deletion).

I'm not trying to solicit votes either for or against, I am just inviting anyone who has the time to contribute to the discussion. Samsmachado (talk) 04:48, 7 July 2020 (UTC)