Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/13

Banners on talk pages

@Johnsoniensis: @SusunW: Hallo WiR, the instructions at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/13#Add_these_to_article_talkpages tell us, as I read it, to add {{WikiProject Women}} and also {{WikiProject Women artists}} etc as applicable - but from a conversation at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women#Who_gets_the_banner.3F I've been told that consensus is not to add them both. It would help all round if there was agreement, so other editors don't follow your instructions and then wonder why one banner gets removed! Thanks. PamD 18:20, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

@PamD: I don't set the rules for the project, I simply relayed to you what previous discussions had been, which you can find in the archives. I'm not trying to be flippant, but I don't really see what the big deal is. The goal is to receive notifications of article creations and threats of deletion. If there are multiple projects noted, it serves to notify more projects, but there are those who would argue it would be too cluttered to list every applicable project. Even if there were a hard-and-fast rule, there is no way to monitor what editors do, as anyone can edit. SusunW (talk) 18:30, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

@SusnW: I only reported here what I had been told was the consensus there. I still think it would be helpful if the instructions on this project matched the consensus of that one over the question of addition of banners: it seems unhelpfl to ask people to add a project's banner if it's against the project's consensus. I thought raising it here would be helpful. PamD 18:41, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Moved conversation here from WiR Ideas Cafe

MENA artists, architects and designers

• 1-31 May
• sponsor: Guggenheim
• collaborator: Wikipedia New York City
• Some links: Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/MENA and m:MENA Artists Month
• Redlinks lists:

We can potentially do a multi-lingual, multi-Wikipedia campaign, similar to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Asian Month, but focused on women modern and contemporary artists from the Middle East & North Africa. This would be related to the Guggenheim's MAP project to highlight artists from several underrepresented parts of the world.--Pharos (talk) 18:58, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Copied from the WiR talk page:
The Guggenheim has invited WMNYC and WiR to collaborate in early May (7-10 days) focusing on MENA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/MENA). They are working on redlist(s). WMNYC will focus on a group of artists. If WiR is agreeable with working on MENA, we can focus on MENA women's biographies in general. (cc: @Pharos:). I know WiR has tentatively committed to focusing on photographers in May. The Guggenheim's curator may be able to sponsor a photography event later in 2016, but not in May. Do you want to keep photographers on the May calendar, or postpone till Guggenheim confirms; and if keep in May, thoughts on which days? May is a long way away and we do have our hands full right now, so no worries if you need to think on this a bit. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:45, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

We're also going to try to coordinate this campaign with other language Wikipedias (Arabic, Farsi, etc) on Meta, see meta:MENA Artists Month, similar to the recent Wikipedia Asian Month. The photography curator at the Guggenheim is quite interested in the Wikipedia outreach in general, and if not in May, will be glad to work with WiR and the community more in-depth in the future.--Pharos (talk) 18:20, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

At meta:MENA Artists Month, we are working to organize internationally, and also plan to adapt aspects of meta:Wikipedia Asian Month/2015 Edition with Guggenheim postcards or token physical prizes from the giftshop to top contributors. We hope to have WiR listed as a partner on that page too. The general scope is any MENA artists of the 20th and 21st centuries, with a particular highlight of the contemporary artists who are being recognized in the Guggenheim UBS MAP Global Art Initiative. The official list of MAP artists is not out yet, but I believe it is probably majority women; obviously it would be appropriate for WiR to focus on the women MENA artists.--Pharos (talk) 19:50, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

@SusunW: yes, photography stays on the schedule as is. I'm intrigued with the idea of a meetup page for an entire month, with multiple focuses. Sure, let's try it! How would you envision we do it, for say, May? --Rosiestep (talk) 02:56, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

• Rosiestep Just like this one Art+Feminism but instead Photography+MENA and then put the red links lists in for photographers, Middle Eastern Women, North African women, and whatever artists list the Guggenheim comes up with. Surely with 4 categories (or maybe its only 3 if MENA women are in one list), people will find something of interest to write about. SusunW (talk) 03:15, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

• @Rosiestep, SusunW, and Megalibrarygirl: For what it's worth, in my opinion I believe strong focus on an area provides greater incentive for participation and the likelihood of achieving more significant progress. If the Guggenheim is arranging an event in early May (see the discussion on the Ideas and events page), then I think that perhaps a shorter, highly focused WiR editathon (for one or max. two weeks) on the MENA artists is what we should be aiming for. I had originally proposed two weeks on photography and two weeks on modern MENA artists but, on reflection, I think we should allow photography to stretch over the full month. The MENA editathon could then be scheduled, say, from Saturday 7 to Sunday 15 May (if these dates are suitable for the Guggenheim). This would of course require setting up a separate meet-up page linked to specially prepared lists of red links, etc. I hope Pharos and the Guggenheim will assist here as we have virtually nothing on the countries of North Africa and the Middle East on our current Artists page. If we use this approach, then we can target contributors who have been active in the area without confusing them with our focus on photography. Both photography (for the full month) and MENA 20th/21st-century artists could then be listed separately under our events for May.--Ipigott (talk) 11:10, 2 March 2016 (UTC)