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Images list

Here's a list of mostly-African-American women (actually, looking it over, I'm pretty sure they are all American, unless one was technically born elsewhere, but that may change) I've found good images for. It's somewhat heavily Jazz-centric, but that's mainly due to a really good archive of free-licensed jazz musician images. Obviously , these aren't exactly redlinks, but I think it's in the spirit, at least.

If anyone sees a good, free-licensed photo of a notable black woman that needs restoration, or has a suggestion for someone they'd like me to check for images of, I'll try. It is bound to me being able to find an image, though.

This list only includes work I haven't done, so, for example Ida B. Wells or Ethel Waters or Vivian Malone do not appear. Note: links to images on Wikipedia will likely actually be restorations of the original source images.

Jazz (William B. Gottlieb collection)

• Sylvia Syms (singer) http://www.loc.gov/resource/gottlieb.08271.0?st=gallery
• Mary Lou Williams http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.music/gottlieb.09231
• Ella Fitzgerald: File:Ella Fitzgerald in September 1947.jpg or http://www.loc.gov/resource/gottlieb.02861.0/?sp=1
• Billie Holiday File:Billie Holiday 0001 original.jpg

Other

• Althea Gibson File:Althea Gibson NYWTS.jpg
• Barbara Jordan File:Rep. Barbara Jordan.jpg Done
• Sojourner Truth http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ppmsca.08978/ (N.B. Found better.)
• Fannie Lou Hamer http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ds.07134/ Done
• Cardiss Collins File:Cardiss_Collins.jpg
• Rosa Parks File:Rosa Parks being fingerprinted by Deputy Sheriff D.H. Lackey after being arrested for boycotting public transportation - Original.jpg
• Shirley Chisholm File:Shirley Chisholm.jpg Done

This is very American-centric, of course, but that's partially down to three of the best five sources I know of (Library of Congress, Met Museum, and National Gallery of Art - other two are The National Library of France and Te Papa in New Zealand) being American. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 19:30, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Adam Cuerden images are some of the hardest things to come up with at WP. SusunW (talk) 21:23, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm also scanning the lists of articles created. At the moment, I'm eyeing File:Florida Ruffin Ridley.jpg. That might be out of copyright, but the PDF it comes from has no sourcing details, a search-by-image on Google pulls up nothing, and the Library of Congress doesn't appear to have anything on her. I don't THINK Harvard has anything on her, given they don't use an image at http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yjl2AUy8GowJ:www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/+&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk - which one would think they would if they had one. NYPL has nothing. I'm not sure I'm going to win this one.

Of the uncreated, File:Muriel Diallo.jpg is quite good. If we get an article on her I could see that being a featured picture, possibly with slight cropping to limit the visual impact of the intruding water bottle.

I note there's nothing on the lists for France. http://gallica.bnf.fr is probably my best non-American source, so, particularly for historical women, that might be a highly untapped source. Let me know if you find any - there's some tools for making uploading images from there easy, which is always nice.

Finally, Barbara Jordan is coming along nicely. It has some weirdness -it's from the Library of Congress, except the LoC doesn't have it indexed. I suspect it's in some larger work there, like a book of portraits of representatives - but, no matter. It's pretty clearly free to use unless the House of Reps is just steamrollering over copyright. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 20:44, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

I've added three more women - Cardiss Collins, Shirley Chisholm, and Rosa Parks (would you believe we had no featureable images of her hitherto? Found a press photo that was published without the copyright formalities, and it's a good one.) Cardiss Collins and Shirley Chisholm are two United States congresswomen, both rather fascinating - the first was a very shy person who took over from her husband - and then basically grew into the role, serving 30 years with such accomplishments including the President of the Congressional Black Caucus. Her biography here is kind of terrible, though. I'm going to have to revise it.

Shirley Chisholm was the first African-American to run for thenomination of a major political party. She was also the first female to do that as well. Like many pathfinders, she didn't completely succeed, but did pave the way. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 17:18, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden I know virtually nothing about finding photographs, but I think the US Department of Health photos are free? Any chance there would be one of Velma Scantlebury aka Velma Scantlebury-White? She is the first woman transplant surgeon in the US (born in the Bahamas) raised in NYC. (P.S. Shirley Chisholm was one of my sheroes growing up. She rocks!) I also think Yoninah was looking for some photographs, but I cannot find her note now. SusunW (talk) 17:57, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

@SusunW: A common problem is the difference between "free" and "free and also available for download". Any U.S. Federal Government photo is free, if we can find one, though. I'll look now. Of course, even if I find one, it might not be possible to get it high enough resolution to be a featured picture (featured pictures are convenient as they guarantee a prominent spot on the main page) Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 18:38, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

I did a Google image search for "Velma Scantlebury site:http://*.gov" - that last bit is useful to remember, by the way. It limits it to sites ending in .gov - most commonly US Federal sites. Unfortunately in this case, it only pulls up images that the text makes clear aren't the U.S. Governments. Honestly, your best chance may be to contact her, and see if she'll release an image. Are you familiar with commons:COM:OTRS? I'ce not really contacted people much, because, frankly, I get panicked and shy when trying to write anyone I really look up to. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 18:45, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden I don't have a clue how commons works, can never find images there. Also have no clue how or what to ask her about releasing a photo. *sigh* and yes, all the images I could find don't appear to be government (even the one on the National Institutes of Health). SusunW (talk) 21:59, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden Those photos look AWESOME! As I said, I know virtually nothing about commons, but, I wonder if this image can be improved and if it is in the PD by virtue of Template:PD-US-no notice since it was published on 24 May 1973 and Johnson is deceased since 1983? SusunW (talk) 21:48, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

As I understand it, it only needs one notice in the entire issue of the paper, so we'd need to check all the newspaper. If we're fair-using, I'd imagine we could do better - microfilm removes all the shades of grey. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 22:01, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden I checked all 55 pages, though actually the paper ends on page 48 and 49-55 are repeats. There is nothing on any of the photos indicating copyright. There does not appear to be anything in the paper that discloses there is a copyright either. Most images say (Times Photo) without crediting even an author. A few say something like (Times Photo by Ray Zirkel) p.11 and 3 say (AP Wirephoto). The only copyright symbols I see are on movie ads and comics. Quite frankly, I don't care if it's fair use or on commons, but I want a decent picture to post with her bio. SusunW (talk) 00:33, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

As I understand it, a single copyright notice for the newspaper issue as a whole is sufficient to cover all of the images; they don't need any specific notice on the images (except adverts). If you're going for a standard "fair use" image (which, per WP:NFCC is only allowable if she's no longer alive, however), I'd choose http://www.womensuffragebahamas.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/doris-johnson.jpg from http://www.womensuffragebahamas.com/history/gallery/#!prettyPhoto - It's probably the best I see for her. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 00:51, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden Thanks for your patience with me. I'm just going to go with the one with the suffragette banner on the same page as the gallery above titled "Call on Governor, 1960". At least it shows her "in action". SusunW (talk) 01:45, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Images restored

• 
  Barbara Jordan
  Holding up on nominating this briefly - just want to double-check some facts about it.
• 
  Shirley Chisholm
• 
  Fannie Lou Hamer
• 
  Cardiss Collins

Possible FPs from new articles

• 
  Gwendoline Konie
• 
  Vera Songwe
• 
  Esther Ibanga
• Hawa Essuman (likely needs cropped)
  Hawa Essuman (likely needs cropped)
• 
  Olufunke Baruwa
• 
  Judy Thongori
• 
  Fauzia Nasreen

When are we finishing?

I've enjoyed this!!! Thanks Ian et al. I see that new articles are still being added to the list? Is there an official cutoff? Nice to see it drifting on though, so I'll add the ones Ive done. Should I WIR-B them?

The official "end" was the 15th. But as some people start work early, some finish later. We don't really care when they get done, as long as they do :} It'd be lovely if you WIR-Bed them, but your all. They look wonderful. SusunW (talk) 14:29, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, @Victuallers:, please WIR-B them. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:00, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Contents WP:SPLIT from Wikipedia:Meetup/Women in Red/Events#February

February

• Black History Month → Wikipedia:Black WikiHistory Month
• Dates: February 1-15
• Sponsor(s): AfroCrowd
• Redlink list: Redlinked Black Women

Comments

February is certainly Black History Month in most countries (see [Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women/Women_in_Red here]. These dates seem to be fine with me. Should we confirm them as agreed?--Ipigott (talk) 13:14, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I posted to the principle people on the AfroCrowd page as I couldn't see where to post on their talk. Pharos answered somewhere and said would keep me advised of their dates.SusunW (talk) 13:26, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Our event at the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture will likely be February 6. Other in-person events will probably be around then and during the rest of February, as with last year's Wikipedia:Black WikiHistory Month.--Pharos (talk) 03:27, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back Pharos I see no problem moving our start date up to the 5th or 6th, but we'll see what @Rosiestep and Ipigott: say. SusunW (talk) 05:04, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Fine by me.--Ipigott (talk) 07:34, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Fine by me, too. How about February 1-14, and add an un-sponsored event Feb 19-29? However, it may be too much to add a second event because of preparation for WHM. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:41, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Cool. Changed dates in the projection! I'm thinking we will need the extra 2 weeks for WHM prep, besides which, since it will be for a whole month, we might want to prep April's event too. SusunW (talk) 15:48, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

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  Archives of American Art - Augusta Savage - 2371

  @Rosiestep, SusunW, and Megalibrarygirl: As it's not long now until 1 February, we should be posting details of our Editathon on Black Women on the main page. If I understand correctly the dates are to be 1 to 14 February. Maybe we should make it from Monday to Monday, 1 to 15 February (so as to avoid hitting Valentine's Day for the last day). Can we simply call it "Editathon on Black Women". How about sponsors, icons, etc.? We also need to develop Wikipedia:Meetup/Women in Red/7. Perhaps you, Rosie, could make a start on it. (See also my comments on WHM below.)--Ipigott (talk) 12:37, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

@Ipigott and Rosiestep: yes I agree 1-15 is better and I do not see why we cannot just call it Editathon on Black Women. Pharos event is still on for the 6th as are a couple of others so I'm thinking that works well for the time frame. As for sponsors, I don't know. I love this, but as we have found live women spur strong emotions, we could cut it to the head of the sculpture alone. SusunW (talk) 17:19, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

We could call it "Black Women's History" maybe? Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:13, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

• @Ipigott: looks like we all agree that 1-15 are good dates, so let's go with that. @Megalibrarygirl: I really like "Black Women's History" and "Black Women's History Edit-a-thon" has a nice ring to it, so I'll use that to create the event's page today. @SusunW: I, too, like the Augusta Savage photo, so let's be bold, and use it with out promo materials. I'd feel comfortable with not cropping it as, at a glance, the sculpture itself is powerful.
• All - also see below subsection on 18-28 February and please comment. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:30, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Yay! All of that works for me. Mama is on the bus and life shall return to normal tomorrow. SusunW (talk) 01:58, 10 January 2016 (UTC)