Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-07-24/Arbitration report
Latest comment: 11 years ago by Crisco 1492 in topic Discuss this story
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- The account of so-called "Kiefer.Wolfowitz and Ironholds" case is flawed. My concern has been the discovery of years of IRC comments by Ironholds, including after his employment by the Wikimedia Foundation as "communty liason".
- Wikipedia and WMF have prioritized increasing the number of women editors, and so the community must address misogyny, particularly by administrators and WMF staff. User talk:Ironholds has discussion by 28bytes (talk · contribs) and Floquenbeam (talk · contribs) that is worth reading. Wikipediocracy and The Examiner have recently featured a report on Ironholds's IRC activities; more quotes from IRC are available at Wikipediocracy (at the unfortunately named thread, "Down with Ironholds").
- The ArbCom case started as a request to clarify the status of Wikipedia's IRC channels, which use WMF's trademark "Wikipedia", which Jimbo Wales stated were ArbCom's responsibility (2007), and which are still promoted at WP:IRC. ArbCom has suspended its usual procedures of evidence, for this case, but won't allow discussion of IRC. For example, Administrators' canvassing other administrators on IRC to support an indefinite block of me cannot be discussed.
- Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:08, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, we traditionally allow wide leeway on Signpost talk pages, but this is quickly going over the line. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:13, 26 July 2013 (UTC) |
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- Not to be a dick (since I have no problem with the content of this report), but... How exactly did this get posted while Neotarf is blocked? Isn't it against policy to make edits on behalf of blocked users? (Ping @User:The ed17) — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 01:16, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
- By a technical definition, possibly. See WP:PROXYING. However, there's also "unless ... the changes are ... productive [and/or] they have independent reasons for making such edits." Either way, I personally think that this was a perfectly good place to use IAR. ;-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:18, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
- Fair enough.
— PublicAmpers&(main account • talk • block) 21:16, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
- Fair enough.
- By a technical definition, possibly. See WP:PROXYING. However, there's also "unless ... the changes are ... productive [and/or] they have independent reasons for making such edits." Either way, I personally think that this was a perfectly good place to use IAR. ;-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:18, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Further evidence of IRC hijinks of WMF staff being forced up "against the wall" (with winks) has been twice removed here, [1] despite its being on-Wiki. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 13:17, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
"If USENET is anarchy, IRC is a paranoid schizophrenic after 6 days on speed." -Chris "Saundo" Saunderson --Guy Macon (talk) 04:28, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
- Kiefer, I don't think this is the place to continue your crusade (be it right or wrong). Let's please not have any edit warring here. If you have concerns with those edits, you're not going to get anywhere on a Signpost talk page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:32, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
- But you've written a story about him, and he's alleging that you've misrepresented his position. Blanking his comments makes it look like you really are misrepresenting him, and are trying to hide that for some reason. If you meant to cover the story, quotes from the subject of the article, especially impassioned ones, would be golden nuggets you should be scrambling to collect.24.19.234.62 (talk) 21:42, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
- There is a time and a place. He should write up an editorial rebuttal and submit it to the Signpost, not argue his case in the comments to a Signpost article. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:20, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- 24, "Further evidence of IRC hijinks of WMF staff being forced up 'against the wall'" is not, to the best of my knowledge, part of the case as covered here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:12, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- So you clamp down the discussion on this article but not on previous articles? Based on which principles or emotions? Kiefer.Wolfowitz 06:54, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- Please discuss this article as you wish, but posting links to IRC comments and trying to argue your case here (as opposed to Arbcom) is well outside this talk page's scope. If the article writers have misrepresented your views in any way, a well-reasoned rebuttal (with diffs) would go a long way... rather than arguing new points. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:12, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- There is a time and a place. He should write up an editorial rebuttal and submit it to the Signpost, not argue his case in the comments to a Signpost article. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:20, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- But you've written a story about him, and he's alleging that you've misrepresented his position. Blanking his comments makes it look like you really are misrepresenting him, and are trying to hide that for some reason. If you meant to cover the story, quotes from the subject of the article, especially impassioned ones, would be golden nuggets you should be scrambling to collect.24.19.234.62 (talk) 21:42, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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