MediaWiki talk:Sp-contributions-footer/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Proposal: useful links

I propose putting some useful links into this block, like it's done in fr:MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer and ru:MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer. Note: this block is displayed at the bottom of user contribution pages. Example:

User subpages · Editcount · Created pages · Uploaded images · Registration date ·

Users with the same name in other projects

I think it might be very handy for many users. Unfortunately «Editcount» and «Uploaded images» should probably be removed for enwiki. — Alex Smotrov 23:27, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Uploaded images is not necessary. You can always pick Special:log/Upload for the user and click from there. Editcount is not necessary; try to get community consensus to write the editcount on top of Special:Contributions directly, as there is a user_editcount field in the database tables. The rest are rather slow queries, and I'm worried about the effect this could have on the toolserver. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 23:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way, Newusers only works for accounts created after the New user log extension was enabled. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 23:39, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not crazy about any of the toolserver stuff except possibly the accounts in other projects, since the toolserver doesn't update for en anyway, and the possible server load, as Titoxd says, gives one pause (remember that en has many times more traffic than fr or ru). Newusers seems useful, since what one really wants to know is if an account is +/- four days, so it doesn't matter if old farts like me have no log entry. If you can write a non-obtrusive layout for just the prefixindex and newusers entries, and there are no objections, I'd be willing to add those two. Chick Bowen 03:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Mostly a bit redundant. If anyone wants to know what pages I have created, they only need to read my user page. I don't really like to advertise my edit count, because it's not a competition. And my sub-pages are linked for all to see. What I'm saying is; because it's personal choice whether that data is prominently available or not, we all tend to have our own preferences about how it is made available. Adrian M. H. 18:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Interwiki

By the way, I've added interwikis to this page (as for Recent Changes), after a suggestion by User:Shalom. --ais523 18:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
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Please remove this extra 9KB interwiki list and add something really useful instead: «Users with the same name in other projects» link from the proposition above. Interwiki can go into MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-anon per original intention to fight vandalism ∴ AlexSm 19:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I noticed this change too and can't figure out why adding a huge list of interwikis, of which probably over 99% will be non-working, would be useful. I have commented out the list. Prolog (talk) 20:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I thought of that, but I suppose that the point is that you can easily check the targets to establish that they don't exist. Happy to discuss, though. I suppose it would be even more useful if only the existing ones were displayed, but that would require SUL... --ais523 12:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd definitely rather wait for SUL, due to the confusion non-working interwikis can cause. But maybe this should be mentioned on WP:VP or WP:AN to get more opinions. Prolog (talk) 09:02, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

The 'Users with the same name in other projects' link is dead for me at the moment. --ais523 12:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Usefulness

This section was moved here from Template talk:Sp-contributions-footer since that page was merged with (and redirect to) this page.

I wonder if the existence of this template should be advertised? I think it would be useful in RfCs or Wikiquette alerts where a record of a user's edits would be helpful. SharkD (talk) 17:10, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

End of section moved here from Template talk:Sp-contributions-footer. --David Göthberg (talk) 15:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

As a template

Is there a way I can use this as a template on my user page? E.g., right now, if I transclude it the links don't work properly. I would like to pipe my user name to it. SharkD (talk) 22:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and created the tamplate, Template:Sp-contributions-footer (backlinks edit), and am using it on my User page (except as a header instead of a footer). SharkD (talk) 22:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the only way is probably to make a separate template like you did. Nice idea to reuse this one elsewhere.

--David Göthberg (talk) 07:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I have modified the MediaWiki message such that it can be used as a template. You need to pass your username as a parameter:

{{MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer|Example}}

Produces:

Happy‑melon 14:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Since the template page is now redirected here we can still use the shorter template name, like this:

{{Sp-contributions-footer|Example}}

Which will produced the same result as above:

However, that means we now have a "template" without documentation. I suggest that instead of redirecting the template page, we transclude the MediaWiki message onto the template page (and of course feed it its parameter), and undelete the documentation page. Thus creating a user-friendly template. Should I make it so?

--David Göthberg (talk) 15:12, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Why not shorten the template name further? "Sp-contributions-footer" is still rather long. Something like Template:user-contrib (backlinks edit) maybe? SharkD (talk) 15:19, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Also, the doc page and categories no longer appear since the merge. SharkD (talk) 15:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, a shorter template name would be nice. However {{user-contrib}} might not be a good choice since we already have {{user contrib}}, {{user contribs}}, {{user contributions}}, {{User Contributions}} and {{UserContribs}}. Take a look at the list at {{user-c}}...

How about the name {{contrib box}}? Making it clear it is a box.

The doc page was deleted by Happy-melon, but we can undelete and move that one to whatever name we choose.

--David Göthberg (talk) 16:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I had a few qualms about deleting that /doc page at the time... I've now restored it, do what you will with it :D. I'm not sure how 'user friendly' we need to be - this is only ever going to be deployed by people copying other users' page designs, after all, and it's not exactly unintuitive. It's tidier to use hard redirects - of course, we can redirect Template:contrib box to this message just as easily as Template:Sp-contributions-footer. Is there any way of adding 'documentation' to system messages? I'll investigate. Happy‑melon 16:50, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, we have several options what to do here. I think that most MediaWiki messages supports using the noinclude tags, so I think we can treat them almost like normal templates and put documentation in them. Although no one has done that before so we might get strong reactions from some. I can test if it works by sneaking in something invisible in this message and see if it gets rendered or not. Like <noinclude>&nbsp;</noinclude>.

--David Göthberg (talk) 17:31, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Happy-melon: Oh, I see in the edit history that you already have tested noinclude tags. What was the result?

--David Göthberg (talk) 17:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Interiot's editcounter

What was the rationale behind adding Interiot's editcounter? It's unmaintained and there is no way to opt in anymore. Also, for one other project the extra (opted-in) info is not shown anyway (don't know about enwiki). —AlexSm 02:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC) {{editprotected}}

Its been moved to the stable server, http://stable.toolserver.org/editcount/result?username=Kate&projectname=enwiki

Please also change the non-stable Toolserver URLs to use the form of [{{fullurl:tools:~sql/sqlbot.php|querystring}} tool title] — Dispenser 18:23, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done Happy‑melon 14:09, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, I don't think you can call it Interiot's counter anymore. In any case, this name is not self-explanatory. Please change these two links to "edits info · edits counter" or something like that. —AlexSm 04:04, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Display username

This section was moved here from Template talk:Sp-contributions-footer since that page was merged with (and redirect to) this page.

I think the username should be displayed somewhere in the template for when the template is used in discussions. Maybe as a caption or header or something. Not sure where to put it though. SharkD (talk) 09:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree, having the user name visible makes it clearer what the box means. I added the user name where I think it fits best. I tried with it bolded but that was too much. While I was at it I also changed to an image that I think is better. They are just suggestions, revert them if you don't like them.

--David Göthberg (talk) 08:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Great. Thanks! SharkD (talk) 16:54, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

End of section moved here from Template talk:Sp-contributions-footer. --David Göthberg (talk) 15:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

For some reason I think there should be a magnifying glass superimposed over the human figure. Is that too extreme? SharkD (talk) 21:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

You mean a magnifying glass instead of the round (i) symbol? Yeah, when I was looking for images at commons I was searching for a man with a magnifying glass. I found one. But I also found the grey man with the (i). And I thought that one was better so I used that one instead. Magnifying glass to me means "Search for a user", which sounds wrong since we have already found the user. Or it can even mean "Investigate user" which has a somewhat negative connotation. While the user + (i) to me means "User info", which is what this box is about. And the name of that image indeed is Image:User-info.svg.

Anyway, you can see the man with the magnifying glass that I found in my examples over at User:Davidgothberg/Test30.

--David Göthberg (talk) 22:52, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, to me the (i) signifies information about a user, such as profile-type information such as location, age, homepage, pets, etc. Whereas the magnifying glass signifies information about a user's habits. Yes, I could see how there might be negative connotations. It's not a big deal to me either way. SharkD (talk) 06:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Regular User contribs link

How about adding a link to the regular user contribs page from the sidebar? Also, has anyone else noticed that the "Top 10 User Talk edits" section here has 11 pages listed? Hehe :) SharkD (talk) 21:51, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind. The "Global contribs" link already covers that (though it's a bit slow). SharkD (talk) 21:59, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Regular user contributions link? You mean like Special:Contributions/SharkD ? Well, in the system message case it is not needed since the place this box is shown on is the user contributions page. But when you use it as a template then I see that you can have need for that link. (Well, in the case it is placed on the user's own page then there is the "User contributions" link in the toolbox to the left of the page. But when used on other pages your link is needed.) This shows that it probably should be a separate template again, since as a template it has different needs.

--David Göthberg (talk) 22:59, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Could parser functions/system variables be used to detect the namespace of the page the template is being transcluded into? In this case, different output could be generated depending on where it is used—one output for "Special" (e.g., Special:Contributions/SharkD), another for all others. SharkD (talk) 23:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, we can use a parser function to detect the namespace. I kept quiet about that on purpose since I think that would make this system message slightly complex. I think it would probably be easier to have a separate template instead. And then that separate template probably would not have to be protected, thus many editors can help in shaping that template. And any good ideas from one of them can of course fairly easily be manually copied over to the other one.

--David Göthberg (talk) 08:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I wonder if detection of the "Special" namespace would even be sufficient in this case. SharkD (talk) 06:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

User rights

I've always thought it would be useful to have one-click access to the user rights listing (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&limit=1&username=Example) from the contribs page. Especially more so nowadays, with so many additional types of new user rights available (rollbacker, account creator, etc.). So I went ahead and added such a link to this template/message box. Hope it works properly, even for usernames containing strange characters. --Seattle Skier (talk) 02:20, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, it works fine for my other account User:David Göthberg so seems okay.

The same information (and for all projects at once!) is available in the link "SUL accounts" in the template, and that link works locally even if the user has no SUL account. But your "User rights" link loads much faster, so perhaps worth to keep. I think we should move your link to be right before "SUL accounts" since they give similar information.

--David Göthberg (talk) 05:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Header and footer message box

I have now built the {{fmbox}} "header & footer message box template".

Some time ago I noticed that we could have good use for a message box similar to the {{ombox}} but with 100% width and only one colour style. It can be used to build message boxes for system messages such as MediaWiki:Sharedupload and MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer. It can also be used for header and footer boxes on user pages.

I would appreciate if those that are interested would check it out and comment on its talk page.

At the same time I would like to draw the attention to a closely related message box standardisation discussion: Should editnotices be transparent or have the "table of content colours"? See Wikipedia talk:Editnotice#Colours for editnotices.

--David Göthberg (talk) 13:49, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Wannabe kate

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The "wannabe Kate" edit counter is better than the ones provided, imo, and I'd like a quick link to it. Please either replace the current Interiot tool, or add a link to it. how do you turn this on 15:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

There's some discussion up the page about the editcounter to use, and it looks like the current one was picked due to its place on the stable toolserver. I don't object to having a second count on there, though the current one also includes admin actions, which is useful as well. UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 13:21, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Wannabe Kate has edits per month as well, which the others don't seem to. Also I personally prefer the interface. how do you turn this on 13:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

The current Interiot counter has a number of additional statistics like monthly charts, however any given user must opt-in for their advanced statistics to be available to anyone. I would suggest discussing this on a Village Pump before making an edit here, as your reason does include "imo"; others might have different preferences and it's a reasonably visible site-wide change. I'm disabling the editprotected for now. {{Nihiltres|talk|log}} 02:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Modification request to the subpages link on the User contributions page

{{editprotected}} In Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Absad, it appears that the subpages used are user talk subpages. These subpages are not detectible from the subpages link below the User contributions page. For example, from Special:Contributions/Absad, selecting Absad User subpages shows no subpages. However, Absad User talk subpages shows subpages. In the box containing "0tat: Subpages · User rights · Edit and action count · Interiot · Edit summary usage · Images uploaded · Articles created · SUL accounts · Global contribs", is it possible to divide Subpages into "User subpages" and "User talk subpages" using [[Special:Prefixindex/User:{{{1|$1}}}/|User subpages]] [[Special:Prefixindex/User talk:{{{1|$1}}}/|User talk subpages]]? Thanks. -- Suntag ☼ 16:54, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, it takes only 3 clicks from user: subpages to user_talk: subpages. —AlexSm 17:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

D'oh! (or Д'оу!). Apparently, I overlooked the obvious. Please ignore the request. -- Suntag ☼ 22:17, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Link to help?

Looking for opinions on adding a link to point new users towards help information. Currently on the user contributions screen, there are no links to any help information for new users to be able to understand the layout of this screen (such as a link to Help:User contributions). After a question was posted on the Help Desk on 25 September 2008, a proposed change was listed at MediaWiki talk:Sp-contributions-search; but it appears that location does not recognize Mediawiki markup so the link wouldn't form at that spot. I feel that a help link would be beneficial on this screen, so looking for comments on if others would support having it added to the footer box. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 00:17, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I think I agree. So let's try some alternatives. How about something like this?

(Latest | Earliest) View (newer 50) (older 50) (20 | 50 | 100 | 250 | 500)

The first sentence is inspired by the text on MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-anon. (And we should probably link contributions page there too.) I am not sure if we should centre or left align the text in the box. Now that it has more text it is a borderline case. And I am not so sure how to formulate the second sentence. Here are some alternatives:

• "Here is some additional information about this user:"
• "Here is some additional statistics about the user:"
• "Here is more information about this user:"
• "More about this user:"

But that means the box is not as neat as it used to be. So an alternative is to put a sentence outside the box, like this:

(Latest | Earliest) View (newer 50) (older 50) (20 | 50 | 100 | 250 | 500)

This is the contributions page for a registered user.

Yes, that looked much neater. I like this second alternative best. Oh, and I increased the text size to 95% in these examples. The current box uses 90%. And I used the {{fmbox}}.

--David Göthberg (talk) 03:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I like the second option, with the additional text outside of the box - it looks much cleaner. On the text size, I have no personal preference; the 90% looks fine, but if others prefer 95%, I have no argument. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 03:22, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I have several ideas:

• change the icon to some "question mark" image and make it link to Help:User contributions with imagemap; however, some users might argue that an image should always link to its description page, so my next idea is ...
• get rid of the icon and put a big colorful question mark in there, linking it to Help:User contributions;
• and the last option: unused (at the moment) system message MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-explain (I just found it in Allmessages). If created, the message is displayed at the bottom of the "Search for contributions" filedset, see an example at testwiki:Special:Contributions/Alex Smotrov.

—AlexSm 04:20, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

AlexSm: Well, both I and many others like the current icon. And I don't think people will realise that the icon is clickable even if it is a question mark. But the MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-explain is interesting, that is the more appropriate way to solve this. But it does cost an extra line in the already big "Search for contributions" box.

But I just realised we have a much better option: We can use the functionality for the geo coordinates to put the link directly under the page header line, to the right. Here is the code for it:

<span id="coordinates">[[Help:User contributions]]</span>

Take a look in the upper right corner of this page, now you'll see the link there! This seems to be supported by most of the Wikipedia skins. If we place that line of code directly above the footer box then in the two skins that doesn't support the coordinates it will revert to look like my earlier example. The only minor trouble is that the nostalgia skin sets the coordinates to "display: none;", but I think we can live with that. (I'll test this page in all skins as soon as I have saved this message.)

--David Göthberg (talk) 05:20, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Haha, okay that link didn't align well in some of the skins. But that just goes to prove what I have been thinking for a long time: No one is really using those skins. Since geo coordinates are used on a lot of articles and no one has complained about it. Of course, if/when we get any complaints we can easily fix the coordinates in the skin's CSS files. (The code for it is already in the skin files, just needs the positions somewhat adjusted.)

--David Göthberg (talk) 05:40, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Adding this to the message that I found (MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-explain) would make the link also present on IP contibutions and on empty contributions and would generally make more sense (considering messages names). —AlexSm 02:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Y Done - Since no one commented for some days I went ahead and added the help link to MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer (in the geo coordinate position) and MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-anon (in the text in the footer box).

--David Göthberg (talk) 03:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

AlexSm: Well, your example with the MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-explain on the test wiki that you linked to above looked pretty bad. And you didn't comment when I suggested using the geo coordinate position. So after waiting several days I tried that. And as you can see I did add the link to the MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-anon so it is there for IP users too. But for starters I only added it to the text in the box, until we have seen what people think about the geo coordinate for logged in user contributions.

Why do we need to show the help link on empty contributions pages? I assume you mean like this: Special:Contributions/85.127.125.5. Why would anyone look at empty pages?

--David Göthberg (talk) 03:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I said "adding this", which implies simply moving the code (with the absolute positioning) to a more appropriate message (of course, only if the result is ok in other skins).

Empty contributions page is what you see just after you registered and then clicked on "my contributions" link on top; who could possibly benefit more from this help link than a complete newbie?

Putting the help link in different places (depending on registered/IP user) in my opinion is an example of not very good usability.

—AlexSm 03:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah! Now I see what you mean. Yes, that sounds like a good solution. And yes, we should check what happens in the other skins. The only way I know to do that in this case is to do the edit and then immediately test it in all the skins, since I see no good way of simulating it more than we already have done. So, I'll put it on my to-do list and do that in some day. (I'm very busy with some other things now and have to go to bed soon.)

And I agree that preferably it should look the same both for IP users and logged in users. The reason I didn't add the "floating" help link to the IP users immediately was that I wanted to try it out here first, to see people's reactions. So adding the link to the MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-anon box were just an intermediate step while waiting for reactions.

--David Göthberg (talk) 05:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Unintended side-effect

It was just learned via a question at Wikipedia:Help desk#Weird link on user page that {{Sp-contributions-footer}} is a redirect to this footer, resulting in the help link appearing on user pages. So, the question arrises on what, if anything, should be done. My take is that this Mediawiki page is intended for the "My contributions" page, so the handful of users of the template should modify the template. The only way I can see to make both work, keep the help link easilly available, and not clutter the box at the bottom would be to either:

• Fork the template to be a copy of an older version of this Mediawiki page, with seperate updates from that point forward.
• Make the template into the box with the links at the bottom, and have this Mediawiki page tranclude into it the template, plus the help link.

Personally, I prefer the first option (I don't like transcluding content into the Mediawiki space - and the template isn't a designed use of this footer), but the second option is possible. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Oops, my fault. I forgot that this MediaWiki message is also misused as a template. I moved the help link to MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-explain instead, per AlexSm's suggestion in the previous section. And that works fine, at least in the default skin and some of the other skins. (Sorry AlexSm that I didn't get around to do it before now.)

Barek: And you are right, it would be better if the template uses separate code. Since similar problems will happen again.

--David Göthberg (talk) 03:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

From MediaWiki talk:Sp-contributions-explain:

Hi, this new link is starting to irritate me. It should be piped to just say Help; the namespace is confusing for people who it's aimed at. Plus it's so small and out of the way, will people actually notice and use it? – How do you turn this on (talk) 21:36, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the wording could be improved; although to differentiate it from the general "help" link in the left toolbox, it should be worded "page help", or "understanding this page", or something else to clarify that this help link is specific to the page they are on.

I do think that having it on the page is a benefit. The same question about "will people actually notice and use it" could be asked about nearly any link on the page. At least now, it's available for those who would benefit from it, and it's out of the way for people who don't need it. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:31, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Right, just calling it "Help" will make it even smaller and thus even less visible. And yes, just calling it "Help" might also be confusing, since it doesn't tell what kind of help. Is it help for that page? Or general Wikipedia help? Or what? So I think the link text should be like it is now, or perhaps be something like "Help for this page".

Regarding the size: We just reused the position and code for placing the geocoordinates. But yeah, the text could probably be larger. Perhaps the same size as the "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" message? But then we probably have to place it with the same top margin too, otherwise it will look strange. So that is a lot more work to get right, since that involves fixing a placement for it in all the different Wikipedia skins.

--David Göthberg (talk) 00:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Add &showgraphs=2d to interiot

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Please add &showgraphs=2d to the url pointing to the interiot edit counter. See difference with and without (the edits by namespace and edits by month graphs are not shown without showgraphs). Thanks --Church of emacs (Talk) 13:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, so that is how one get the two top graphs again. And now I see that the counter page has an option in the top right corner to show the graphs too.

But I wonder if the reason the default is to not show the two top graphs is to save load on the tool server? We should perhaps ask User:Interiot about that, since I think he built that counter. But it seems he is on wikivacation.

--David Göthberg (talk) 18:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that creating the graphs is so load-intensive. Basically the data is already there (see the table above) and the only thing that remains is to create the graphs from the given data. Oh, and don't worry about performance.

If you ask me, the URL is incorrect because of a mistake, and not intentionally broken. --Church of emacs (Talk) 21:29, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, I have a vague memory of that they often turned of the graph rendering on the tool server due to it being overloaded. And in this case it is the default behaviour of that edit counter to not render those images, since one has to add extra parameters to the URL to get it to render the images. So there might be a reason for it. Thus you should ask the maker of that counter about it, before we send many thousands of requests a day to the counter with that parameter.

But yeah, those graphs are very nice, so I want them too!

--David Göthberg (talk) 23:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I asked DaB. (a toolserver admin) on IRC, and he said that presumably the link is ok; if there should be any server problems, he'll look for a solution. --Church of emacs (Talk) 21:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and the Editcounter actually isn't by Interiot, so the link name is incorrect. --Church of emacs (Talk) 21:51, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Y Done - Okay, that you talked with DaB is good enough for me. That also means that if we do load the toolserver too much with this, then he knows it might be our fault so he knows where to look...

And yes, we should use a better name on that link. I looked at the page it generates and the two titles used there are "User edit counter" and "Contributions summary". So for now I opted for the title "Contributions summary", although I think that is a bit too generic so better suggestions are very welcome. Another option is to simply call it "Edit counter".

So, I added the "&showgraphs=2d" and changed the title of the link from "Interiot" to "Contributions summary". And thanks for suggesting this improvement of the link, those graphs are very nice.

--David Göthberg (talk) 20:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Global tools - removal request

{{Editprotected}} Please remove sulutil and luxo's from this footer. It is cramped already, and these tools are being overloaded with pointless requests which abolishes usefulness for those who actually need to use them. Thanks  — Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 23:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, are the requests really pointless? What exactly do those tools do? – How do you turn this on (talk) 23:37, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

They are really not necessary on enwiki. sulutil lists global accounts, which most users (especially on enwiki) do not care about. Luxo's shows global contribs (again, not particularly useful for enwiki users). Those who need the tools know about them already & the load from "Oh what does this do" courtesy of being linked here is creating lots of load which reduces their utility for users who actually need the tools to do their work.  — Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 00:23, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for explanation. Yes, this seems reasonable then, in order to aid cross-wiki vandal fighters. – How do you turn this on (talk) 00:24, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

This tools uses much resources to work and high amount of usage by randomly pressing it causes toolserver lag which in this case has affected server 3 and thus causing nearly an hour long lag on smaller wikis...--Cometstyles 00:26, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Then I agree with swift removal :-) – How do you turn this on (talk) 00:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

 Done - Rjd0060 (talk) 05:55, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

SQL's tool - no longer up, change requested

...to http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/count/index.php?name=USERNAME&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia as SQL has removed his editcount tool from Toolserver. Ta. //roux   21:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Not sure that's the best URL. Why not tools:~soxred93/ec/$1? And the other SQL-related link (articles created) is also dead.... --MZMcBride (talk) 23:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Three test cases fail:

1. http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/ec/!%20Special:Listusers%20username=Glen+S
2. http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/ec/Until(1%20==%202)
3. http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/ec/$1

--MZMcBride (talk) 23:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I fixed 2 and 3. I have absolutely no idea how to fix 1. Xclamation point 23:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see this discussion before I made this change. I just removed both broken links and added Interiot's tool back for edit count (which is what we used here before SQL's tool). Feel free to change it to whatever else we want. - Rjd0060 (talk) 03:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

There is another tool, which lists created articles: http://toolserver.org/~escaladix/larticles/ It does use few French words here and there, but it works. – Sadalmelik ☎ 06:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, that tool's been really unreliable. I have a tool that does that at tools:~soxred93/pages. I also think I may have fixed the first problem with my edit counter. Xclamation point 15:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, why does your new page tool truncate at 80 pages? A "round" number like 100 would make more sense, imho. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 17:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Additionally, the tool appears to be listing my oldest 80 pages created, not the most recent 8o pages, which would make more sense if the list is going to be truncated. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 17:19, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll fix those both. Xclamation point 17:47, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I've added X!'s pages tool to the page. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 14:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Would it be possible to add the option to separate redirects from other pages (and if it's not asking too much, disambiguations :D)? And also, it would be nice if the time and date of creation were provided, as escaladix's tool does. --Waldir ^talk 10:20, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Agree that it would be nice, though I don't know how much work would be involved. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 20:12, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Fmbox

Should MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer be updated to use fmbox?

{{fmbox
| type = system
| id = sp-contributions-footer
| class = sp-contributions-footer
| image = [[File:User-info.svg|40px|User info]]
| textstyle = font-size: 90%; text-align:center;
| text = [[User:{{{1|$1}}}|{{{1|$1}}}]]:  <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[[Special:Prefixindex/User:{{{1|$1}}}/|Subpages]] '''·'''</span> <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[{{fullurl:Special:ListUsers|limit=1&username={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}}}} User rights] '''·'''</span> <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[http://stable.toolserver.org/editcount/result?username={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}}&projectname=enwiki&showgraphs=2d Contributions summary and edit count] '''·'''</span> <!--<span style="white-space: nowrap;">[{{fullurl:tools:~edwardspec/cgi-bin/edit_summary.cgi|user={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}}&dbname=enwiki_p&Calculate=Calculate}} Edit summary usage] '''·'''</span>--> <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pages/index.php?name={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}}&namespace=0 Articles created] '''·'''</span> <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[{{fullurl:tools:~daniel/WikiSense/Gallery.php|wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&format=html&img_user_text={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}}&order=-img_timestamp}} Files uploaded]</span>
}}

-- WOSlinker (talk) 17:06, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Y Done - Thanks for suggesting this, it was about time. I didn't use the class name since the id works for CSS styling too, and the id is better for javascript. (I should probably explain that in the {{fmbox}} documentation.) I did a search and I found no usage of the class.

I moved your signature to below the code you suggested, for clarity. I hope you don't mind?

--David Göthberg (talk) 12:49, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Global contributions

{{editprotected}} Please add the following link for global contributions with blocks:

[http://toolserver.org/%7Eluxo/contributions/contributions.php?user={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}}&blocks=true Global contributions]

--Francisco (talk) 01:50, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

 Done —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:51, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Removing Daniel's WikiSense tool

{{editprotected}} The new upload button in the contributions page of every user (that is, the one that is displayed between the talk and the logs near the username in the center of the page, and which brings up http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles&user=$1 ) seems to have replaced the functionality of Daniel's WikiSense tool when it was introduced during the MediaWiki 1.17 upgrade.

Y Done, thanks. Amalthea 10:54, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

New tool for consideration

I've created a tool which I'd like to propose adding to the Special:Contributions footer. The tool allows you to search through a user's edit summaries for keywords, and returns the edits that match. I honestly think this is something that should be built into the Mediawiki interface, but until that day comes this tool should be helpful. The main input form for the tool can be found at http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/commentsearch.html however if a link is added to the footer, it should be in this format:

http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/commentsearch.html?name=<username>

where <username> is the name of the user whose contributions are being viewed (i.e. $1). This will preload the user name into the form.

Please let me know if you think this would be a useful tool to add to this page, and if you think any improvements are necessary before it is added. I eventually want to add support for other wikis besides enwiki, but that will take awhile and shouldn't affect the tool's use on enwiki. —SW— ^prattle 22:39, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't know how useful this kind of tool would be for helping the wiki. Most of us, I would think, would not spend such time looking through user's edit summaries to find whether or not they are acceptable, since the wiki is already populated with autogenerated messages from both the software itself and perhaps the Twinkle interface. To me, it would be just more clutter along the bottom of the contributions page. I'm willing to consider if it can be demonstrated 1) how this tool will be used, in helping the project of course, and 2) how effective it is at what it does. TeleComNasSprVen (talk • contribs) 13:06, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. Many editors will use the same edit summary when they are doing a similar task on different pages, and they might want to search through their edits to easily find these similar edits. Here are some examples of useful searches this tool can perform which otherwise can't be easily done:

• List of articles you tagged for speedy deletion
• List of articles you tagged for speedy deletion G12
• List of revisions you reverted
• List of usernames you reported to UAA
• List of articles to which I added a stub sorting tag
• List of deletion discussions I have closed as a non-admin
• List of articles to which User:Deor added coordinates
• List of articles to which User:Colonel Warden added a rescue tag
• List of pages on which User:Bility responded to an edit request

As you can see, the tool is very useful in situations where an editor re-uses an edit summary for the same task. It's also been useful for finding that edit you made 2 years ago where you forgot which page it was on, but you happened to remember a unique word you used in the edit summary (like this). Editors who often use automated tools like Twinkle can easily find a complete list of all of the different types of automated edits they have made. Hopefully this effectively demonstrates the usefulness of this tool. Let me know if you agree. —SW— ^confer 18:45, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

This announcement has been around for several weeks, only one editor commented that they didn't think it was a useful enough tool (hopefully I've demonstrated its usefulness above). Can this tool be added yet? Here's what needs to be added:

'''·''' <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/commentsearch.html?name={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}} Edit summary search]</span>

It looks like the last <span> tag was never closed with a </span>, so that might also need to be fixed. —SW— ^verbalize 22:25, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

 Added — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:46, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from LikeLakers2

Change [[File:User-info.svg|40px|User info]] to [[File:User-info.svg|40px|User info|link=]], to remove the link to the file page. LikeLakers2 (talk | Sign my guestbook!) 18:56, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

 Done Skier Dude (talk) 22:23, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

 Undone - You may only unlink images that are public domain. Pretty much all other licenses demand attribution of the image author, and many of the license also demand that the name of the license should be stated too. File:User-info.svg has the GPL license so it must be linked to the image page for attribution and for telling that it is the GPL license.

--David Göthberg (talk) 04:45, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Special:CentralAuth

I believe "accounts" should link to the local Special:CentralAuth instead of meta.   ■ MMXX  ^talk  21:50, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

• Support: No need to link externally if they both do the same thing. — Bility (talk) 22:00, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
• Support It could probably be simplified a bit too - instead of simply removing the Meta: from [{{fullurl:Meta:Special:CentralAuth|target={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}}}} accounts], the whole thing can be replaced by [[Special:CentralAuth/{{{1|$1}}}|accounts]] As a further fix, we should move the misplaced </span> which occurs just after the //toolserver.org/~soxred93/pages/index.php link, to its proper place just after the Special:CentralAuth link, and also harmonise the positioning of the '''·''' - either all should be inside the <span>...</span> elements, or all should be outside - presently they are mixed. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:24, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Done Seems equivalent. Anomie⚔ 04:43, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

New edit counter?

X!/soxred93's edit counter just became unavailable due to inactivity on the toolserver.org ("403: User account expired") and the link should be removed. Does anyone have any suggestions for a replacement? Froztbyte (talk) 02:29, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

It seems the only Toolserver-based edit counters remaining are Kate's tool and Misza's edit counter (unless you include Luxo's global edit counter). The only one I know of that gives more detailed statistics is WikiChecker, which is an outside web site. Also note that the expiration of X!'s Toolserver account has also broken the "Articles created" link. And here is a village pump thread: Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#"Edit count" and "Articles created" links. PleaseStand (talk) 05:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Temporarily, there should be a placeholder in the footer to indicate the absence of a familiar feature.

There are people like me around who have had a brain haemorrhage recently, and who get alarmed when things mysteriously seem to come and go.

"Is it the footer? Or is it my brain?"

Cheers, Varlaam (talk) 22:42, 9 February 2012 (UTC) (Lala Land)

Fixed until soxred return and re activate his acc. Petrb (talk) 13:21, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit summary search disabled

Scottywong has disabled the edit summary search tool until further notice. It may reappear in the future, so it might be good to comment it out for the moment. — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:07, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Done — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 10:02, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Now he's re-enabled it... could we have it back again? I didn't expect his departure to be so short-lived. — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:17, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Already done It was restored less than seven hours after Mr. Stradivarius removed it. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:15, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

SUL Info

Just a heads-up: it looks like SUL Info will be moving to http://tools.wmflabs.org/sulinfo/sulinfo.php eventually, once the Toolserver goes into retirement. It currently doesn't work "Due to an issue on Wikimedia Labs s7 databases server". – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 22:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit summary search

I have moved Scottywong's edit summary searcher here. Please update the link. →Σσς. (Sigma) 01:27, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

 Done Wonderful, thanks for taking over this tool. Legoktm (talk) 04:52, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

SUL tool

I'm assisting Quentinv57 with the migration of his tools. The new location of the SUL is //tools.wmflabs.org/quentinv57-tools/tools/sulinfo.php—cyberpower _Online^{Happy 2014} 02:32, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Done. I think that should have got it. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 07:03, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Articles created link

I'm never good at explaining what to change when it deals with this kind of syntax so I just regenerated the new code in to collapsible section below. It essentially fixes a link to the articles created page, which has been moved to labs. You can use the show difference button to see the change.—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 15:04, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Source

{{fmbox | type = system | id = sp-contributions-footer | image = [[File:User-info.svg|40px|User info]] | textstyle = font-size: 90%; text-align:center; | text = [[User:{{{1|$1}}}|{{{1|$1}}}]]:  <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[[Special:Prefixindex/User:{{{1|$1}}}/|Subpages]] '''·'''</span> <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[{{fullurl:Special:ListUsers|limit=1&username={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}}}} User rights] '''·'''</span> <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/pcount/index.php?name={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}}&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia Edit count] '''·'''</span> <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[//toolserver.org/~snottywong/commentsearch.html?name={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}} Edit summary search] '''·'''</span> <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/pages/index.php?name={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}}&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia&namespace=0&redirects=none Articles created] '''·'''</span> <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[//toolserver.org/%7Eluxo/contributions/contributions.php?user={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}}&blocks=true Global contributions] '''·'''</span> <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[[sulutil:{{{1|$1}}}|SUL]] / [[Special:CentralAuth/{{{1|$1}}}|accounts]]</span> }}

 Done--v/r - TP 15:22, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

&redirects=none --> &redirects=noredirects

This will hide all redirects from the article created list. Thanks, jonkerz ♠talk 02:17, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Done — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 03:53, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I have created my own version of the Articles Created tool that is several hundred thousand times faster than the current one on xtools. Please replace the page with this:

source

{{fmbox | type = system | id = sp-contributions-footer | image = [[File:User-info.svg|40px|User info]] | textstyle = font-size: 90%; text-align:center; | text = [[User:{{{1|$1}}}|{{{1|$1}}}]]: <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[[Special:Prefixindex/User:{{{1|$1}}}/|Subpages]] '''·'''</span> <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[{{fullurl:Special:ListUsers|limit=1&username={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}}}} User rights] '''·'''</span> <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/pcount/index.php?name={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}}&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia Edit count] '''·'''</span> <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[//tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/summary.py?name={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}} Edit summary search] '''·'''</span> <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[//tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/created.py?name={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}}&server=enwiki&ns=,,&redirects=none Articles created] '''·'''</span> <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[//tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}}&blocks=true Global contributions] '''·'''</span> <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[//tools.wmflabs.org/quentinv57-tools/tools/sulinfo.php?username={{urlencode:{{{1|$1}}}}} SUL] / [[Special:CentralAuth/{{{1|$1}}}|accounts]] [[m:Special:CentralAuth/{{{1|$1}}}|(meta)]]</span> }}

This will produce a link that looks like this. Thanks. →Σσς. (Sigma) 08:58, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Done. Also, Σ, I have some usability suggestions. It would be good to display the username at the top of the results, as not everyone will know to look at the URL to see who the articles are for. Also, it would be great to have a link to the next 500 results at the bottom of the page as well as the top, to save everyone having to scroll back up. And finally, I would say "This tool lists pages created by a user" rather than "This tool will list pages created by a user", as the latter looks strange after the results have been displayed. I tested the page with Dr. Blofeld's creations, and it didn't seem to have any problem with that, so I imagine it should work just fine for other users. Nice work. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 10:06, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

I've implemented your suggestions. Thanks for the edit. →Σσς. (Sigma) 10:17, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Σ It's great that it runs so quick but it doesn't actually tell you the numbers of articles you created, essentially meaning you would have to count the exact number yourself. Somewhere on the page it needs to give you that number, for example maybe Showing 280 pages created by Blethering Scot. It's better in speed but without a number feature it doesn't fully serve the same purpose as the xtools one did.Blethering Scot 19:26, 8 February 2014 (UTC)