Talk:2023 Dublin riot

Food delivery company

Why does the article name the company the driver who protected the woman and child worked for, how is it relevant to anything? --2003:C9:470F:D500:A1A2:51DA:CB49:D030 (talk) 19:07, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

The name of the food delivery company is irrelevant and constitutes unwarranted publicity for the business. It contributes nothing germane to the article. I have removed it.

Indeed, even the man's occupation is unimportant to the narrative (although I left that information in the article). It is helpful to say he was a motorcyclist to explain why he had a helmet and what kind of helmet it was, to explain how it was such an effective weapon against an armed attacker. Spideog (talk) 19:14, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

in principle not unwarranted if it’s the natural way to refer to the topic. If it’s a known name then I see no objection. I’ll have a look at the diff now. Springnuts (talk) 09:43, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

It is very much unwarranted if "food courier" or "delivery driver" (as used in some source articles) serve the same or better, future-proof, purpose without doing free marketing that has no encyclopedic use. "[Company] driver" is no more natural language or better understood than those.

That the company name is linked to their own page hints that using a job description or just calling them a passing driver would be better than a using a proper name that may be known to you personally now, but not to everyone everywhere for all time.

Finally, I think it's inconsiderate and uncooperative behaviour that you changed it back just going by your own preference against two disagreeing people, without further discussion and for no immediately obvious encyclopedic advantage. -- 2003:C9:470F:D500:7186:6EAD:8167:AFFD (talk) 17:32, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

The name of the company i spossibly relevant; certainly the occupation of the driver is relevant. It's WP:SKYISBLUE territory that Deliveroo riders/drivers are almost 100% immigrants to Ireland. Considering why the riots started, it's pertinent information. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:45, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

You have shown why their occupation might be considered relevant (which wasn't practically opposed by anyone), but not their specific employer company. If you want to point out this information apparently implied by their job, do it explicitly. It doesn't apply to everyone who has this job, and not everyone SKYISBLUEs this information or will in the future. I've already addressed this specific rationale above as well. --2003:C9:470F:D500:FD70:D4C0:7AFA:CC3C (talk) 14:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

A "Deliveroo driver" is close to the action on a motorcycle or bicycle, where a "food delivery driver" or generic "delivery driver" may well be in a van or lorry. Knowing the person is a Deliveroo driver gives a better understanding of the nature of the activity they are involved in. The sources use "Deliveroo driver" for that reason - they need to communicate (as do we). We should use the language which communicates meaning in the most effective way. I have no connection with the company by the way - have never even used them! Springnuts (talk) 22:58, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Only residents of countries where Deliveroo operate would intuitively understand that a "Deliveroo driver" would be on bicycle/motorcycle. Per the Deliveroo Wikipedia article, "It operates in the United Kingdom, France, Belgium, Ireland, Italy, Singapore, Hong Kong, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Qatar.It formerly operated in Germany, Taiwan, Spain, the Netherlands, and Australia."

Given the same sentence that currently calls him a "Deliveroo driver" also contains the phrase "whom Benicio then struck with his motorcycle helmet", I think referring to him as a delivery driver is fine. Perhaps delivery motorcyclist to be more accurate. Boardwalk.Koi (talk) 21:39, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

It’s not something I’m going to die in a ditch over, but what kind of a phrase is “delivery motorcyclist”?! Springnuts (talk) 20:45, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Isn't "delivery motorcyclist" is a person who delivers various things in a motorcycle?213.230.87.220 (talk) 09:59, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Correction in "stabbing"

The American who helped so that the suspect would not be further harmed since he was unconscious is an Irish American citizen of Ireland...living in Dublin1 area and helping keep peace 125laurabyrne (talk) 04:16, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@125laurabyrne: Have you got a reliable source for this? The sources we currently cite do not support making this change. Sideswipe9th (talk) 04:27, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Sources say it was an American tourist, so we have to stick with that unless you have sources that say otherwise. Selfgyrus (talk) 14:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Why did he do it? Did he ever say?

This is a strange article. It talks about the original attack and the attacker being subdued, etc, but it never says what explanation he gave for the attack other than explaining that he said that he was carrying a knife "because I am sick". What is the reason he gave for the whole thing? What did he tell the police or say in court? Thanks in advance. Betathetapi454 (talk) 19:17, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Sources don't report much of what he has claimed, and his trial is still pending. Selfgyrus (talk) 14:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Editing the article in line with Wikipedia:Neutral point of view

The article contains considerable instances of political bias and is not including widely available public information pertinent to the entire situation from it's inception to resolution and aftermath which suits one side of the political dispute. For specifics please see the recent changes of the "Edit War."

I propose the language be neutralized in accordance with Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and the elimination of the left (European left not American) leaning bias to a firmly center point of view taking into account all aspects of the event itself the good, the bad and the ugly.

This is supposed to be an encyclopedia not political blog to push an agenda.

MRWH359 (talk) 03:55, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not seeing the political bias here. All the information included is reliably sourced.

Your edits have included changing "A man stabbed three young children and a care assistant..." to "Riad Bouchaker stabbed three young children and a care assistant...".

At present, Bouchaker is still awaiting trial. He is also, under widely accepted legal principles, innocent until proven guilty. We can certainly call him the "accused," the "alleged attacker," the "suspect," etc., but declaring, before he has even gone to trial, that he is the stabber is not political bias — it's generally accepted practice. Selfgyrus (talk) 14:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Do not update the new text in "Aftermath" to simplify the text.

Several Twitter accounts have been saying that the Deliveroo driver who incapacitated the attacker, Caoi Benico was actually the attacker, and that the money he raised was illegal, and they cite this page as a source. Conmytom (talk) 20:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)